| 00:02.18 | monsterco | is there one on conference bridge? |
| 00:02.22 | monsterco | or wait on hold time? |
| 00:03.53 | WIMPy | no |
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| 00:15.23 | linagee | how do I evaluate voip providers when there are so many? :-/ I want the highest quality at the cheapest price... |
| 00:16.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Consider how low you set the bar... |
| 00:16.28 | [TK]D-Fender | And what your real neads are |
| 00:16.31 | [TK]D-Fender | needs* |
| 00:17.26 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: I've played around with voip years ago and had that problem. (of course this time it will be to a colo - digitalocean... maybe a provider within their sfo facility itself...) |
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| 00:22.07 | linagee | (just looked it up, Telx facility on 200 Paul Ave in SFO) |
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| 00:28.08 | linagee | hrm. voicepulse seems to be located there. (maybe) I think I probably still have an account with them, but I seem to recall their service was so/so... |
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| 00:32.03 | chare | how do I use google voice with asterisk and still have 911 work |
| 00:32.43 | linagee | chare: call your PSAP instead of 911. :-> (no, really I have no clue.) |
| 00:32.59 | chare | how can you not know |
| 00:33.26 | linagee | chare: the knowledge does not exist within my brain |
| 00:33.37 | chare | how can you be useless |
| 00:34.28 | linagee | cut off your arms, legs, go deaf, blind, unable to speak and dumb. technically you would be fairly "useles". |
| 00:34.48 | linagee | ah, I thought you wanted a how-to. |
| 00:44.43 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm sure the remains are still combustible.... could be used for heating. |
| 00:44.53 | [TK]D-Fender | We need to go full non-corporeal |
| 00:45.42 | chare | [TK]D-Fender I know you know the answer to my question? |
| 00:45.48 | linagee | chare: you could become nothing |
| 00:45.54 | linagee | (then you would be useless) |
| 00:45.57 | [TK]D-Fender | [19:45]chare[TK]D-Fender I know you know the answer to my question? <- use another service |
| 00:47.14 | chare | come on I need an answer |
| 00:47.17 | chare | that is good |
| 00:47.19 | [TK]D-Fender | that is the answer |
| 00:47.25 | [TK]D-Fender | GV doesn't do. |
| 00:47.31 | [TK]D-Fender | you have to use something else |
| 00:47.34 | linagee | chare: changing providers is a pretty good answer. much better than mine, even. |
| 00:47.35 | [TK]D-Fender | #captainobvious |
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| 00:50.20 | chare | why can't I have asterisk route 911 calls to a physical landline |
| 00:50.59 | linagee | chare: how are you even using google voice and asterisk? I thought XMPP support was ended/ending... |
| 00:51.01 | [TK]D-Fender | You can |
| 00:51.31 | linagee | I don't think you can get a landline with 911 service only. (I could be wrong, and if I am that would be awesome.) |
| 00:51.32 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee: You weren't here for his previous tirade on it.... |
| 00:51.32 | chare | so damn it how can I get 911 working on a physical landline without having to pay for the landline |
| 00:51.45 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: what's the cliffnotes version of it? |
| 00:51.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Steal it |
| 00:52.02 | chare | [tk]d-fender I don't remember you from previously |
| 00:52.05 | linagee | chare: ok, that was the FIRST thing I said. use the PSAP instead. (but its not "really" 911) |
| 00:52.05 | chare | so you're making that up |
| 00:52.14 | [TK]D-Fender | linagee: Troll or impossibly stupid? Are you sure it can't be BOTH? :) |
| 00:52.23 | chare | god damn landline is so overpriced |
| 00:52.29 | chare | don't you agree? |
| 00:52.34 | chare | can't even get cheap 911 service |
| 00:52.35 | [TK]D-Fender | so use another service |
| 00:52.46 | linagee | chare: did you already hear when I said use the PSAP?? |
| 00:52.56 | chare | i'm dialing 911 |
| 00:52.58 | [TK]D-Fender | chare: It's pretty much law to ALLOW 911 on deactivated lines |
| 00:53.00 | chare | thats the constraint |
| 00:53.09 | chare | are you ABSOLUTELY SURE |
| 00:53.15 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: my DSL line doesn't even have a dial tone. :) |
| 00:53.17 | [TK]D-Fender | From what I've seen, yes. |
| 00:53.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends where you are I guess |
| 00:53.29 | chare | so you have cancelled your phone line and tested it? |
| 00:53.38 | [TK]D-Fender | I haven't had a phone line in years |
| 00:53.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Get an ITSP |
| 00:54.25 | linagee | chare: I'll google it for you since you can't even understand me and keep trolling - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-safety_answering_point |
| 00:54.28 | linagee | (PSAP) |
| 00:54.55 | linagee | usually there is a direct "real" phone number, but it doesn't look the same to them as a 911 call, that's why I said, not "really" 911. |
| 00:55.20 | linagee | (or at least that's the best of my understanding) |
| 00:55.22 | chare | linagee when shit goes down I'm not going to start "thinking" i'm hitting 911 |
| 00:55.24 | chare | thats it final |
| 00:56.04 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender: you know what the easiest way for 911 is? an old dead cell phone. its against the law the restrict calling 911 even from a deactivated cell phone. |
| 00:56.27 | [TK]D-Fender | There you go |
| 00:56.37 | linagee | a land line can be phyiscally "disconnected" when you end service. a cell phone really can't... (I guess they could block the IMEI, not sure if 911 is still allowed.) |
| 00:56.53 | chare | cell phone call to 911 means they don't know where you are address wise |
| 00:57.00 | linagee | chare: actually |
| 00:57.15 | linagee | chare: they'd have a better chance of knowing where you are than some DIY asterisk setup. |
| 00:57.34 | linagee | chare: most cell phones have E911 so they can triangulate. those that don't, they can triangulate to some degree with the towers. |
| 00:58.04 | linagee | chare: if you PSAP doesn't have these capabilities, they suck and your only choice is to move. |
| 00:58.20 | chare | remember to always assume they are incompetent at these triangulate things |
| 00:58.22 | linagee | (not all PSAPs are the same. lol. you may think they are.) |
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| 01:03.21 | chare | come on team |
| 01:03.25 | chare | lets figure out a solution together |
| 01:03.40 | [TK]D-Fender | get a real service. |
| 01:03.42 | [TK]D-Fender | The end |
| 01:03.47 | linagee | [TK]D-Fender++ |
| 01:04.46 | chare | see its people like you are ok with letting the at&t verizon monopoly continue that let the price gouging continue |
| 01:06.53 | [TK]D-Fender | What part of "other provider" are you having trouble with? |
| 01:08.00 | chare | oh so switch from at&t to verizon? |
| 01:08.20 | linagee | chare: if verizon provides the service you're looking for, I don't see why not. |
| 01:08.58 | [TK]D-Fender | [19:53][TK]D-FenderGet an ITSP |
| 01:09.47 | chare | like google voice |
| 01:11.26 | [TK]D-Fender | You seem to think only 3 services exist in the world |
| 01:11.29 | [TK]D-Fender | You are an idiot |
| 01:11.58 | [TK]D-Fender | there are thousands of other providers out there |
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| 01:17.06 | chare | so is obihai going to have a device that works with google hangouts for voice |
| 01:19.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Go Ask them |
| 01:19.31 | chare | you guys are so lazy |
| 01:20.29 | [TK]D-Fender | You are the one who wants the answer. You're lazy |
| 01:20.43 | [TK]D-Fender | This isn't #obihai |
| 01:31.00 | ChannelZ | oh, this again. |
| 01:31.20 | [TK]D-Fender | Yup |
| 01:42.15 | chare | ChannelZ do you have a best solution for me? |
| 01:44.17 | [TK]D-Fender | ChannelZ: Your Catch 22, should you choose to accept in in answering him : GV doesn't offer 911 support. He wants 911 support. He won't use another service. GO!!! |
| 01:44.42 | vastina | zero-win scenario! |
| 01:45.30 | gartral | you could replace a call too "911" with your local emergency number |
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| 01:49.10 | ChannelZ | Buy a gun and let off a few rounds, police will be there in no time |
| 01:50.16 | rogersja | what are 'valid' characters for north american Caller ID Name field? |
| 01:51.02 | rogersja | i know we can specify the character set of the name field to something like utf8, but seems to me that only a subset of utf8 characters would really be supported over the PSTN |
| 01:51.50 | chare | ok smarts guys, ChannelZ, [TK]D-Fender, linagee what phone setup do you guys use? |
| 01:53.15 | [TK]D-Fender | charVarious providers. |
| 01:53.37 | ChannelZ | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-enum-cnam-08 |
| 01:53.58 | ChannelZ | I use Vitelity |
| 01:57.35 | chare | and what does that cost |
| 01:58.09 | ChannelZ | http://www.vitelity.com/services_voip/ |
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| 02:09.10 | chare | ChannelZ how about you start your own voip provider |
| 02:09.20 | chare | how much would you have to pay for pstn access? |
| 02:09.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends who you go through |
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| 02:11.55 | ChannelZ | Why would I do that? |
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| 02:12.18 | chare | so start your own voip no frills provider |
| 02:12.23 | chare | lower price for all of us |
| 02:12.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Those kinds of places already exist |
| 02:12.47 | ChannelZ | I couldn't do it any cheaper than a dozen other companies are already doing it for |
| 02:12.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Guess what frill they get rid of fisrt.... e911 :p |
| 02:14.03 | ChannelZ | I think $1.50/mo + $0.012/min is pretty "no frills" |
| 02:14.25 | chare | I mean actual calls + e911 |
| 02:14.31 | chare | whats the cheapest for that no frills package |
| 02:14.39 | ChannelZ | e911 adds another $1.50/mo |
| 02:14.43 | chare | WTF |
| 02:14.46 | chare | see that is bullshit |
| 02:14.49 | chare | and you know it |
| 02:14.58 | chare | trivial software change for doubl the price |
| 02:14.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Why is it bullshit? |
| 02:15.04 | ChannelZ | I won't comment if you think that's too expensive that your life isn't worth 18 bucks a year |
| 02:15.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Where you see a unitized cost to compare that to? |
| 02:15.36 | chare | hey ChannelZ if you take that attitude to everything all the costs a year add up to a 50% premium on everything |
| 02:15.44 | chare | thats like $10000 vs $20000 |
| 02:16.02 | [TK]D-Fender | and don't forget... 47.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.... |
| 02:16.03 | ChannelZ | No, it's $1.50 vs $3 |
| 02:16.40 | chare | look what I meant to say is you pay a doubl premium on everything |
| 02:16.47 | chare | you buy enough $1 things a year |
| 02:16.54 | chare | it adds up to 20000 |
| 02:17.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Correct. |
| 02:17.04 | chare | food at double premium |
| 02:17.06 | ChannelZ | How much is YOUR phone bill? |
| 02:17.07 | chare | gas at double premium |
| 02:17.15 | chare | soon it adds up |
| 02:17.20 | [TK]D-Fender | If you buy 20000 items at 1$ ... it adds up to $20000 |
| 02:17.25 | [TK]D-Fender | this guy's math is GOOD |
| 02:17.35 | chare | if you buy 20000 at 50 cents it adds up to $10000 |
| 02:17.38 | chare | BIG DIFFERENCE |
| 02:17.50 | [TK]D-Fender | And we aren't talking 20000 of anything |
| 02:17.52 | [TK]D-Fender | you are |
| 02:17.53 | ChannelZ | $18/year < ~$38/mo, what my phone used to cost. |
| 02:18.07 | chare | how much a year do you spend on stuff |
| 02:18.17 | chare | how much of that stuff are you paying overpriced premiums |
| 02:18.51 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm sorry, could you be a little more vague and pointless. |
| 02:19.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ? |
| 02:19.16 | chare | spend a little effort at that $20000 cost goes down to $10000 |
| 02:19.22 | chare | you agree thats a significant difference |
| 02:19.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Stuff! Permiums! Things! You want, we have! |
| 02:19.32 | ChannelZ | Well, I spend ~$430 more a year on fun shit like guns and ammo than I did on my phone, so... |
| 02:19.46 | [TK]D-Fender | [21:19]charespend a little effort at that $20000 cost goes down to $10000 <- this isn't your phone bill |
| 02:19.56 | [TK]D-Fender | And we're talking e911 here |
| 02:20.05 | chare | you gotta spend the effort everything from phone to food to prostitute |
| 02:20.16 | [TK]D-Fender | How much is your TIME worth? |
| 02:20.35 | chare | not shooting guns |
| 02:20.39 | chare | so what else am i going to do |
| 02:21.00 | [TK]D-Fender | You've spend more than a few months worth of mine over this pointless venture |
| 02:21.07 | [TK]D-Fender | at e911 pricing |
| 02:21.16 | ChannelZ | Sit here bitching and moaning about everything else, apparently. |
| 02:22.04 | chare | hey we fix thi sproblem and everyone benefits |
| 02:22.07 | chare | its a community benefit |
| 02:22.14 | chare | multiple the small fix by the size of the community |
| 02:22.16 | chare | and it ends up big |
| 02:22.49 | [TK]D-Fender | The only proble here is your inner psychosis. And this isn't #drphil |
| 02:22.53 | [TK]D-Fender | +m |
| 02:23.14 | [TK]D-Fender | We're all happy. |
| 02:23.22 | [TK]D-Fender | You have issue. |
| 02:23.25 | [TK]D-Fender | (s) |
| 02:23.37 | chare | sometimes the eccentric people are what drive progress intsead of zombie following state |
| 02:24.27 | [TK]D-Fender | What a lovely yet directionless outlook. |
| 02:24.46 | ChannelZ | Well go build the next Big Thing and leave us in peace |
| 02:25.04 | chare | you guys are so pessimistic |
| 02:25.10 | chare | and so living in the present |
| 02:25.12 | chare | instead of forward looking |
| 02:25.29 | ChannelZ | Yup. We're terrible people to hang around. You should find some others who don't suck like us. |
| 02:26.19 | chare | how does your girlfriend stand your lack of optimisim |
| 02:26.33 | ChannelZ | What country are you in? |
| 02:26.45 | chare | why is that relevant? |
| 02:27.23 | ChannelZ | Why do you care so much about my girlfriend? |
| 02:27.59 | chare | i don't |
| 02:28.09 | ChannelZ | Well you've brought it up twice now... |
| 02:29.03 | chare | if she dumped you its ok to admit |
| 02:31.29 | [TK]D-Fender | 3 times! Careful, he's a "charmer"! |
| 02:33.40 | vastina | wtf? this troll is still being fed? |
| 02:35.26 | [TK]D-Fender | vastina: Seen "Se7en"? |
| 02:35.38 | [TK]D-Fender | vastina: Gotta have goals :) |
| 02:35.57 | vastina | haha! good response ;) |
| 02:37.03 | chare | vastina do I know you? |
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| 03:12.16 | SeRi | trololololo |
| 03:19.30 | SeRi | *i love irssi... I can recall back and just read what went on.... this dude is hilarious.... |
| 03:22.01 | chare | whats so funny? |
| 03:38.55 | ChannelZ | The lack of self-awareness, mostly |
| 03:40.03 | chare | but I'm not relevant we're talking about voip |
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| 03:43.34 | SeRi | ChannelZ: LOL |
| 04:01.42 | chare | SeRi what telephone service do you useL |
| 04:10.25 | chare | anyone still alive here? |
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| 04:15.57 | WIMPy | No. We are all zombies. |
| 04:26.03 | chare | you are wimpy |
| 04:27.04 | ChannelZ | Anyone use/good with tc in linux? |
| 04:27.42 | WIMPy | You know that ~ask thing. |
| 04:29.54 | chare | you are a wimp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particles |
| 04:30.35 | ChannelZ | well nevermind actually, let me bang my head on this a bit more myself |
| 04:31.18 | WIMPy | How do you use voip without tc? |
| 04:32.12 | chare | what is tc? |
| 04:32.54 | WIMPy | Something you need to make voip work. |
| 04:33.37 | ChannelZ | So far I only do voip on my home phone so it's not that important, but I'm trying to edumicate myself and get it going properly. |
| 04:33.47 | WIMPy | But even without voip it makes for a better internet experience. |
| 04:33.51 | chare | tc = tauren chieftain http://www.playdota.com/heroes/tauren-chieftain |
| 04:38.54 | ChannelZ | tc = traffic control |
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| 04:45.31 | deltaray | I'm trying to run an AGI command and its not passing any arguments past the first one. |
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| 04:46.37 | deltaray | Nevermind. I'm a dumbass. |
| 04:46.44 | deltaray | I was leaving off the closing } on my variables. |
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| 04:46.56 | deltaray | Funny how you don't see this stuff until you start to show other people |
| 04:50.25 | ChannelZ | Yeah I do all my best problem-solving in the process of typing up my problem for help |
| 04:51.48 | chare | so yo guys are telling me that asterisk software is too stupid to tell you there is a parsing error? |
| 04:53.44 | ChannelZ | No, the expression parser complains pretty well. |
| 04:54.22 | chare | so you're saying that deltaray is just dumb |
| 04:55.07 | ChannelZ | No. |
| 05:07.02 | chare | anyone still alive? |
| 05:07.24 | ChannelZ | Just spineless chare /msging sad little digs |
| 05:07.33 | ChannelZ | Oh. That's you. |
| 05:07.40 | chare | channelZ I was testing to see if you were still afk |
| 05:08.28 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't see any sign he ever was |
| 05:09.19 | ChannelZ | He's on ignore now so he can knock himself out |
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| 05:27.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ChannelZ: Sort of a poster-child for my favourite new bar game : "Medicated; over ... or under?" |
| 05:28.24 | ChannelZ | Hmmm tough call indeed |
| 06:05.43 | deltaray | ChannelZ: chare: Actually, the logs were not giving enough data. It just looked like all the args after the 1st one were not being passed. |
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| 07:42.17 | vedic | I am working on speech recognition applications with Asterisk. One of my phone line provider (Telecom) is able to provide both TDM card terminating line or IP PBX. I just wanted to know if using IP based channel can allow me to run Asterisk on AWS like virtual machines? |
| 07:42.28 | vedic | Does asterisk works fine on AWS? |
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| 09:41.21 | vedic | Is it fine to host Asterisk on AWS? I have IP PBX and also I have TDM card to connect PRI. Looking for opinion if there is any difference in quality of speech content and service. Which one should be used IP channel terminating on remote (AWS hosted) Asterisk OR locally running Asterisk with TDM card |
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| 09:57.34 | midori-rus | what the best way to redirect all call to mobile? is it follow me function? |
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| 10:23.40 | lok-jpr-in | how i can capture the sip and udp packets at interface running asterisk |
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| 10:30.28 | jacobkiers | lok-jpr-in: Do you mean a network capture? Then use tcpdump -i <interface> -s 65535 -w <capture_file> |
| 10:30.50 | jacobkiers | lok-jpr-in: That captures all traffic. |
| 10:31.22 | jacobkiers | lok-jpr-in: AFAIK tcpdump also has support for capturing only specific things, but I don't know them exactly. |
| 10:32.57 | jacobkiers | lok-jpr-in: additionally, if you only want to capture SIP, you can add: port 5060. That will capture everything from port 5060, which I assume is your sip port. |
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| 10:35.58 | ChannelZ | grrr |
| 11:10.11 | lok-jpr-in | thnx jacobkiers ;) |
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| 12:05.38 | lok-jpr-in | can anyone plz tell why my SIP UA is registering at 5061 port, even if i defined it to register on 5060 in sip.conf and in SIP UA conf too. thnx |
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| 12:14.25 | vedic | Is it fine to host Asterisk on AWS? I have IP PBX and also I have TDM card to connect PRI. Looking for opinion if there is any difference in quality of speech content and service. Which one should be used IP channel terminating on remote (AWS hosted) Asterisk OR locally running Asterisk with TDM card |
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| 12:34.28 | vedic | Is it fine to host Asterisk on AWS? I have IP PBX and also I have TDM card to connect PRI. Looking for opinion if there is any difference in quality of speech content and service. Which one should be used IP channel terminating on remote (AWS hosted) Asterisk OR locally running Asterisk with TDM card |
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| 13:11.28 | vedic | Anybody here? |
| 13:11.45 | vedic | Waiting for the answer since last 5 or 6 hours |
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| 14:09.13 | blitzrage | vedic: most people are in the -0500, -0600 GMT timezone, and it's a weekend |
| 14:09.20 | blitzrage | so it's early still here |
| 14:09.38 | vedic | blitzrage: ok. Will wait for few more hours |
| 14:09.39 | blitzrage | anyways, you can certainly run Asterisk in AWS, but you don't get any hardware support obviously |
| 14:10.06 | vedic | blitzrage: http://forums.asterisk.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=89016#p195577 |
| 14:14.27 | vedic | blitzrage: brb in 10 min |
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| 14:33.11 | deltaray | Hi, maybe I'm going about this wrong. I just wanted to test the Dial out capability of Asterisk::AGI (perl) and wrote a simple script that exec's a Dial command. |
| 14:33.32 | deltaray | Is it possible to just run this script from the command line or does it have to be run by the asterisk server (via an extension)? |
| 14:38.09 | deltaray | I have it working so that when I dial an extension, that it runs the script and that works. But I was wondering if its possible to run it from the command line. |
| 14:40.08 | carrar | Far as I know it has to be ran via a dialplan (which could be triggered from the cli), but you could fire it off from the command line by creating 'Call File' |
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| 14:41.13 | carrar | Also see 'originate' |
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| 15:00.41 | vedic | http://forums.asterisk.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=89016#p195577 |
| 15:05.03 | carrar | Anytime you decide to run Asterisk on a hosted service you are taking a chance since there is probably no QoS |
| 15:05.06 | carrar | UNLESS |
| 15:05.21 | carrar | Your hosting provider ALSO offers SIP |
| 15:05.43 | carrar | (assuming they also do not get their SIP via the general internet) |
| 15:06.47 | carrar | But any remote user may also have cogestion/jitter/loss in their path to your hosted system |
| 15:07.52 | carrar | If you need your PBX to be hosted, about all you can do is ensure whever hosts it has excellent PIPES to the internet that are over congested |
| 15:08.15 | carrar | and or also find someone who offers SIP as well as hosting |
| 15:08.22 | carrar | win win |
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| 18:15.54 | Jinxed- | I'm trying to build a web based UI to control some conferencing features within asterisk. Any suggestions on how to best interface with asterisk to gather information? |
| 18:16.04 | Jinxed- | I will need to know which devices are able to sucessfully join |
| 18:16.13 | Jinxed- | ability to add/kick users |
| 18:16.18 | Jinxed- | etc |
| 18:16.48 | Jinxed- | I plan on storing all of the states of the various conferences to a mysql database on which my front end is driven |
| 18:18.30 | WIMPy | AMI |
| 18:18.47 | WIMPy | Or if you want to try Asterisk 12, ARI might be an option. |
| 18:24.58 | Jinxed- | WIMPy: does what I'm saying seem to make sense though from a high level outline. (I have a lot to learn in the details still obviously). |
| 18:25.23 | Jinxed- | Use Asterisk 12 with ARI restful api's to constantly keep a database up to date |
| 18:25.34 | Jinxed- | then web to the database |
| 18:25.45 | WIMPy | Well, it's your choice how you implement it. To me using a RDBMS seems overcomplicated. |
| 18:26.14 | WIMPy | I haven't really looked in to what ARI can do. |
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| 18:29.31 | Jinxed- | WIMPy: what would you suggest to keep track of which conferences are active when a user pulls up the webpage |
| 18:29.37 | Jinxed- | just query asterisk directly? |
| 18:30.14 | WIMPy | I prefer to do a real application. What sime people call(ed) middleware. |
| 18:31.02 | WIMPy | Having the application in the frontend is usually not the best idea. |
| 18:31.36 | vedic | Hey guys, I wrote a query about 10 hours back and then finally also posted on forum: http://forums.asterisk.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=89016#p195577 |
| 18:32.13 | Jinxed- | WIMPy: i don't understand, how do you build any type of UI for an asterisk application? |
| 18:32.34 | WIMPy | Not an Asterisk application. Your application. |
| 18:33.43 | WIMPy | vedic: The addition of noise doesn't make sense as long as you stay digital. |
| 18:34.09 | WIMPy | vedic: And if you don't do the virtual thing, but go for real hosting, you can get PRIs there as well. |
| 18:35.23 | vedic | WIMPy: You mean if I ask Teleco operator to terminate on IP channel and then connect this IP channel to remote asterisk host, that is fine? |
| 18:35.38 | WIMPy | vedic: IMHo the argument for VOIP is that you can have as many calls as your resources permit. The downside is unknown quality and added delays. |
| 18:35.39 | vedic | obviously via SIP |
| 18:36.07 | WIMPy | Obviousely? |
| 18:36.17 | vedic | WIMPy: Yea, the issue of unknown quality and added delays is the issue I want to avoid |
| 18:36.40 | vedic | "obviously " I wrote in completion of my previous msg not in your msg reply |
| 18:37.05 | WIMPy | Why obviousely SIP? |
| 18:37.54 | vedic | WIMPy: I can increase/decrease IP channel capacity but increase/decrease of PRI line is not so quick and takes times and costs on hardware |
| 18:38.07 | WIMPy | indeed |
| 18:38.17 | vedic | WIMPy: How would call from IP channel reach to Asterisk then (considering IAX is not used) |
| 18:38.47 | WIMPy | IAX woud be a good option. |
| 18:39.19 | vedic | WIMPy: Basically, I am trying to find optimal solution where I can control the scaling at the minimum cost and don't compromise on quality of speech |
| 18:39.23 | WIMPy | SIP has its own box full of surprises. |
| 18:39.32 | vedic | WIMPy: I see |
| 18:40.22 | vedic | WIMPy: IAX does provide guarantee on quality of speech? |
| 18:40.28 | WIMPy | If you want to make sure, call quality is good, you need to have control over the IP part the whole way from where it leaves te PSTN to you. |
| 18:40.38 | WIMPy | No. |
| 18:40.50 | WIMPy | IP can't do that unless it's a controlled environment. |
| 18:42.05 | vedic | WIMPy: So if I buy leased line (that is dedicated high speed internet connection), SIP is good to go without compromising quality of speech. Reduction is 1% of quality can also be problematic for me |
| 18:42.52 | WIMPy | You can only be sure if it's a dedicated IP connection to your ITSP which is not connected to the internet. |
| 18:43.16 | WIMPy | Off course that kind of defats big parts of the whole idea. |
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| 18:44.31 | vedic | WIMPy: Yea, in that case I can't host asterisk on remote server as it will fall on Public IP lines |
| 18:46.29 | vedic | WIMPy: So option 1 as I wrote in the form: http://forums.asterisk.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=89016#p195577 is the best possible thing |
| 18:46.39 | vedic | forum |
| 18:46.57 | WIMPy | That is definitely the best quality. |
| 18:47.04 | WIMPy | If you need that. |
| 18:48.56 | Jinxed- | WIMPy: are there any good tutorials on building asterisk applications, ami, ari, etc |
| 18:49.05 | Jinxed- | the documentation is very sparce |
| 18:49.06 | Jinxed- | ie |
| 18:49.12 | Jinxed- | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Getting+Started+with+ARI#GettingStartedwithARI-WebSocketclientlibraries |
| 18:49.18 | Jinxed- | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/AMI+Examples |
| 18:49.52 | WIMPy | voip-info might have some better examples. |
| 18:50.04 | Jinxed- | nice |
| 18:50.09 | WIMPy | Just keep in mind that the information there is often quite dated. |
| 18:50.16 | Jinxed- | yeah, so I have noticed |
| 18:50.26 | Jinxed- | lol I just installed asterisk 11 like 2 weeks ago |
| 18:50.30 | Jinxed- | and now I see there is asterisk 12 |
| 18:50.34 | Jinxed- | i was like.... sob |
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| 18:50.58 | Jinxed- | but I suppose that is good |
| 18:51.11 | doug | anyone know about routing 3g circuits to asterisk? |
| 18:51.16 | WIMPy | maybe |
| 18:51.40 | WIMPy | doug: There are many ways to do that. |
| 18:51.42 | Jinxed- | you ever play with kazoo WIMPy? |
| 18:52.12 | doug | wimpy: what's one? |
| 18:52.16 | WIMPy | Not heard about. |
| 18:53.09 | WIMPy | doug: chan_mobile, chan_dongle, PCI cards, VOIP gateways or TDM gateways. |
| 18:53.50 | doug | ok, so using an existing phone and/or client-side hardware platform |
| 18:54.41 | doug | anyone done anything purely terrestrial? |
| 18:55.04 | WIMPy | What? |
| 18:55.29 | doug | so when i dial my phone that's hooked to an existing network, i end up establishing a channel on my pbx |
| 18:55.57 | WIMPy | chan_mobile |
| 18:56.16 | WIMPy | Or osmocom_bb. |
| 18:56.31 | WIMPy | Either bluetooth or serial/USB. |
| 18:56.33 | doug | well, existing network but not my own bluetooth network... |
| 18:56.46 | [TK]D-Fender | [13:40]vedicWIMPy: IAX does provide guarantee on quality of speech? <- nothing TCP/IP does |
| 18:56.47 | doug | like via sprint's network (i.e. through an mvno gateway) |
| 18:57.21 | [TK]D-Fender | [13:51]douganyone know about routing 3g circuits to asterisk? <- 3G isn't a circuit... it's a wireless protocol |
| 18:57.50 | WIMPy | doug: I think I lost you. What exactely is your question? |
| 18:59.59 | doug | i like having a lot of control over my phones via asterisk, but i don't seem to have an option for similar control over my cell phone |
| 19:00.44 | doug | those things look like cool ways to run my own tiny wireless network for connecting some handsets up |
| 19:01.08 | doug | probably won't work so great if i want to use my handset from the train |
| 19:01.22 | doug | only viable option for connectivity that way would be an existing carrier network |
| 19:01.52 | doug | my only working familiarity with those is as a typical customer, i.e. the carrier also handles all the call completion in the backend |
| 19:01.55 | doug | i'd rather do that myself |
| 19:02.04 | doug | not sure what exactly to call that |
| 19:02.54 | WIMPy | Well, you need to find some billions to set up your own mobile network or buy one of them. |
| 19:03.04 | doug | i doubt that |
| 19:03.09 | WIMPy | Or you can do it on the cheap if you stay at home. |
| 19:03.33 | doug | so you've not heard of anything like this? |
| 19:03.40 | WIMPy | Like what? |
| 19:03.50 | doug | the thing you are saying would take billions... |
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| 19:04.21 | WIMPy | PLMNs do exist. |
| 19:05.27 | doug | do ones exist that allow individuals to complete calls via asterisk? |
| 19:05.56 | WIMPy | No |
| 19:06.04 | doug | cool |
| 19:06.31 | WIMPy | You can only do the good old callback or callthrough. |
| 19:06.39 | doug | yup, so i'd figure |
| 19:07.49 | doug | i'd want a cellphone that would just show up as an iax user on my asterisk instance |
| 19:07.59 | doug | not sure if anyone else would care for something like that, though |
| 19:08.27 | WIMPy | You can do it via IP, but VOIP over 3g is usually not a good idea. |
| 19:08.41 | doug | yeah, that sucks. |
| 19:08.42 | WIMPy | And probably not cheap, either. |
| 19:09.22 | Jinxed- | [TK]D-Fender: what is your view on kazoo |
| 19:09.25 | doug | i'd insist on regular voice channels on the 3g network, translated to sip or iax to my personal box |
| 19:10.04 | WIMPy | Jinxed-: What is kazoo, other than some sort of (musical) instrument? |
| 19:10.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Jinxed-: It's a lousy "instrument" used by hacks who can't handle real brass :) |
| 19:10.25 | Jinxed- | 2600hz created kazoo |
| 19:10.40 | Jinxed- | some of the main asterisk developers back in the day branched off and formed it |
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| 19:11.29 | [TK]D-Fender | 2600hz last I heard were working on a GUI for */FS then became FS-only |
| 19:11.44 | Jinxed- | that was along time ago |
| 19:11.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is dated "knowledge". So what is this "kazoo" you speak of exactly? |
| 19:11.51 | Jinxed- | bluebox or whatever it was called |
| 19:12.21 | ChannelZ | a bad product name |
| 19:12.27 | [TK]D-Fender | [14:09]dougi'd insist on regular voice channels on the 3g network, translated to sip or iax to my personal box <- that's what * is for. Get a 3G interface. Have * spit out SIP/IAX. The End |
| 19:12.28 | Jinxed- | kazoo was able to do the distributed calling |
| 19:12.36 | ChannelZ | http://blog.2600hz.com/post/26139448549/introducing-kazoo-beta-a-free-visual-cloud |
| 19:12.40 | Jinxed- | that asterisk was trying to do as a side project and never got it working |
| 19:13.07 | doug | i gotta work on describing what i'm talking about. everyone's got cell phones, there's gotta be people who've thought about making them work like asterisk phones |
| 19:13.43 | [TK]D-Fender | Jinxed-: from ChannelZ's pic this is a GUI front end.. that about right? |
| 19:14.06 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: there is no such thing as an "asterisk phone" |
| 19:14.13 | Jinxed- | nah, the gui was just an example application |
| 19:14.34 | Jinxed- | their real product is the distributed infastructure and their full apis |
| 19:14.43 | Jinxed- | people didn't understand what you could do with it |
| 19:14.49 | Jinxed- | so they showed how you could make a pbx with it |
| 19:14.53 | Jinxed- | as an example |
| 19:15.00 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: There are cell-tower like converters I'm sure to pump those out as something standard like PRI, possibly SIP... but that'd be REALLY pricey I'm sure. Nothing likely for small scale |
| 19:15.00 | ChannelZ | Is it dead? |
| 19:15.09 | Jinxed- | actually very active |
| 19:15.20 | ChannelZ | hmm. Their website seems dead. |
| 19:15.48 | WIMPy | [TK]D-Fender: They don't have to be expensive, but the range is still very limited. |
| 19:15.54 | Jinxed- | they keep 2600hz.com up to date more |
| 19:16.14 | doug | [TK]D-Fender: i guess that's my own name for the thing on my desk. figured it'd be an understandable term. |
| 19:16.27 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: Just laying odds on the cost-effectiveness based on scale. |
| 19:17.14 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: I haven't really gone digging for that kind of gear, so you all probably have a better idea of some specific options... |
| 19:18.40 | WIMPy | There are quite some options. |
| 19:18.57 | WIMPy | But if you set up your own BTS, you will need a licence. |
| 19:19.16 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy: If you've got a few with retail links, please pass them on. I'd like to be able to say "Yeah, I've seen an offering like that before" for this |
| 19:20.17 | WIMPy | I haven't lookd in to these things for quite some time. The BS11 used to ba available for 300EUR. |
| 19:20.50 | WIMPy | The cheapest option is via osmocom_bb and a modified 10 bucks phone. |
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| 19:22.21 | WIMPy | And then there are all those femto-/nano-cells, but only few of them have been reverse engeneered so far. and I don;t know to what extent. |
| 19:22.22 | Jinxed- | [TK]D-Fender: one thing I have always wondered.. is [TK] a gamer tag? |
| 19:22.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Jinxed-: Pretty sure you've asked in years past, yes, est 2000 |
| 19:23.01 | Jinxed- | nice, what game |
| 19:23.19 | Jinxed- | and what was did the TK stand for |
| 19:23.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Jinxed-: Action Half-Life (AHL). |
| 19:23.37 | doug | was kinda thinking of not setting up any of the wireless hardware. just using an existing network, like sprint's |
| 19:23.42 | [TK]D-Fender | jinkMod for HL1 out the same time CS did |
| 19:24.24 | doug | gotta imagine i'm not likely to do a better job than sprint at something like that |
| 19:24.33 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: That's called "buying cell service from Sprint". That doesn't make it go right to your server based on what they dial. |
| 19:25.21 | doug | not by default, of course |
| 19:32.26 | doug | is "SIP phone" a better term than "asterisk phone?" |
| 19:32.53 | WIMPy | It's just one type of phone that can be connected to Asterisk. |
| 19:34.16 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: One is a actual thing... the other isn't. |
| 19:34.40 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: a SIP phone... is a phone that talks "SIP". Asterisk is not a signalling or protocol. |
| 19:36.30 | doug | kinda wanted some term that encapsulated any protocol one might use to hook to asterisk, SIP, IAX2, h.323, whatever. |
| 19:36.57 | WIMPy | That would all be VOIP, but that's still not the only option. |
| 19:37.29 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: When you want to take a a cell phone "in", that is something I haven't see a direct interface for * for. |
| 19:37.53 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: I have seen ones where you can connect * to a cellular service directly though. That's the other direction |
| 19:37.57 | WIMPy | There is, but only if you set up your own network. |
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| 19:38.44 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: If you want something that acts as a cell tower to connect your phones to and then translates those calls to anotehr protocol that * can speak (via some interface) then that isn't implicitly an "asterisk device" |
| 19:39.05 | illuminated | that also sounds expensive |
| 19:39.13 | illuminated | if such device did exist |
| 19:39.44 | [TK]D-Fender | They do, and apparently there are some not terribly priced options. I don't have that specific knowledge though |
| 19:39.45 | doug | well yeah, i don't think of my spa112 as an "asterisk device" |
| 19:39.59 | doug | but i think of the phone i've got plugged into it as an "asterisk phone" |
| 19:40.03 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: Good. Your other request is no different |
| 19:41.37 | doug | lost me there, [TK]D-Fender |
| 19:42.02 | doug | my original request is deficient semantically? |
| 19:42.17 | [TK]D-Fender | [14:39]dougwell yeah, i don't think of my spa112 as an "asterisk device" <- neither is this cell-tower type device |
| 19:43.30 | doug | well, i want to call my regular cell phone an "asterisk device" |
| 19:43.56 | doug | w/o having to resort to a voip app residing on the phone itself |
| 19:44.38 | [TK]D-Fender | doug: I want to call my next girlfriend "Scarlett Johansson" or "Anne Hathaway", but I suspect they might not take that too well... |
| 19:45.50 | doug | sprint will already route voice circuits in custom ways for various partners |
| 19:46.08 | doug | not sure if any of those partners expose those as SIP circuits (yet) |
| 19:46.42 | doug | if they do, it must not be common knowledge |
| 19:49.38 | WIMPy | You can do the virtual network operator thing, but that involves a lot more than just routing calls. |
| 19:49.52 | doug | yup |
| 19:50.20 | doug | hopefully not too much more. |
| 19:50.38 | WIMPy | So in case you didn't get it when I talked about getting some billions together first: Forget about the idea. |
| 19:51.06 | WIMPy | looks up two lines and sees "a lot". |
| 19:51.36 | WIMPy | You'd have to provide your own HLR and such. |
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| 19:53.57 | doug | there seem to be third parties who handle much of that worry |
| 19:54.58 | doug | when you mentioned "billions" i just figured you probably hadn't thought too seriously about the idea |
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| 23:13.43 | bengoodman | Anyone know how to run a script/program when someone leaves a meetme conference? I'm looking for some documentation on the AGI I suppose. Thanks a lot. |
| 23:15.06 | [TK]D-Fender | BDo something in the dialplan when they exit |
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| 23:46.47 | bengoodman | so on hangup, run a script...than simple? |
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| 23:48.19 | chare | anyone come up with a better approach to getting voip working cheaply |
| 23:51.40 | ChannelZ | Yes. It is called voip. |
| 23:52.03 | chare | ChannelZ god damn it are you the only one in this channel that answers questions |
| 23:52.27 | bengoodman | lol |
| 23:53.07 | ChannelZ | I should know better, but alas. |
| 23:54.23 | bengoodman | So I'm confused about hangup |
| 23:54.55 | ChannelZ | how |
| 23:55.11 | bengoodman | You dial an extension, talk a bit and then hangup. Why doesn't hanugup just hangup immediately after you dial. |
| 23:55.48 | ChannelZ | huh? |
| 23:56.01 | bengoodman | See...told you I was confused. |
| 23:56.40 | ChannelZ | I don't even know what that means, "why doesn't hangup just hangup immediately after you dial" |
| 23:56.52 | chare | hangup sends data to asterisk asking for hangup? |
| 23:58.11 | bengoodman | I'm trying to get a script to run when a user hangs up from a meetme conference. |
| 23:58.41 | bengoodman | I don't know or understand what hangup does. D-Fender told me to do something int the dialplan when they exit. |
| 23:58.52 | ChannelZ | the h extension |
| 23:58.54 | bengoodman | I'm guessing that has something to do with hangup |
| 23:59.33 | bengoodman | h extension? |
| 23:59.48 | ChannelZ | yes.. you make an extension called h that does things |