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| 01:43.23 | child | is there a bigger option for more than 2 lines linksys spa3102 ? |
| 01:48.26 | [TK]D-Fender | many |
| 01:48.35 | [TK]D-Fender | and the SPA3102 isn't 2 lines |
| 01:48.42 | [TK]D-Fender | that's 1 FXS, 1 FXO |
| 01:48.48 | [TK]D-Fender | That isn't 2 of any single thing |
| 01:50.29 | child | and what gateway would be a good option in this case? |
| 01:50.43 | child | is Grandstream Gxw4216 good? |
| 01:51.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Possibly acceptable? Maybe. Good? not the best..... |
| 01:51.39 | child | I just need the same work as linksys do, but for more lines ... |
| 01:51.58 | [TK]D-Fender | well you haven't been clear on exactly what kind of device you need |
| 01:52.12 | child | I dont even know yet.. |
| 01:52.32 | [TK]D-Fender | No, I mean you're in apples & oranges territory. |
| 01:52.51 | [TK]D-Fender | The SPA-3102 is 1 FXO, 1 FXS. You have not made it clear what KIND of port you are looking for |
| 01:53.01 | child | I have a little company here.. and I need more than 10 different land lines.. to receive as land lines and call as voip |
| 01:53.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Are you looking to plug in PHONES? Or LINES? |
| 01:53.25 | [TK]D-Fender | So you need LINE ports |
| 01:53.38 | [TK]D-Fender | That device is NOT it. |
| 01:54.19 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voipsupply.com/voip-gateways/fxo-gateways |
| 01:54.46 | child | I will actually plug on phones |
| 01:54.59 | [TK]D-Fender | you just said LINES there before |
| 01:55.17 | [TK]D-Fender | You need to make up your mind because you are flip-flopping |
| 01:55.26 | child | yeah because the lines are land lines.. but they use micro chip in a cellphone |
| 01:55.38 | [TK]D-Fender | .... |
| 01:55.40 | child | and they calculate the area of your enterprise.... |
| 01:55.50 | child | if you get out it stop working |
| 01:55.58 | [TK]D-Fender | huh? |
| 01:56.05 | child | yeah haha |
| 01:56.11 | child | thats how they do here |
| 01:56.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Your wording is getting less clear by the minute |
| 01:56.42 | child | ok, sorry. |
| 01:56.51 | child | let me explain |
| 01:56.51 | [TK]D-Fender | <child> yeah because the lines are land lines.. but they use micro chip in a cellphone <- you just say the land lines are land line.. but then they AREN'T |
| 01:56.55 | [TK]D-Fender | MAKE UP YOUR MIND |
| 01:57.13 | [TK]D-Fender | You aren't making it out of a sentence before contradicting yourself now. |
| 01:59.30 | child | for each land line I buy, the telecommunication company will give me a micro chip, like the same we use for mobile, but they have land line numbers... |
| 02:00.12 | child | I plan to use them as voip for calling .. and as they are to receive calls... |
| 02:00.15 | [TK]D-Fender | WhenWhat is this "micro chip" You're referring to exactly? |
| 02:01.06 | WIMPy | What does that "use them as voip" mean? What the heck are you trying to do? |
| 02:01.26 | child | like the sim card for galaxy S5 |
| 02:01.45 | [TK]D-Fender | *IS* is a SIM card? What does the word "like" mean here? |
| 02:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | It either is a thing, or it isn't |
| 02:02.07 | child | I want to make a server |
| 02:02.15 | [TK]D-Fender | forget the server |
| 02:02.20 | [TK]D-Fender | you need to be clear about what you HAVE |
| 02:02.20 | child | to receive calls for each number... |
| 02:02.32 | WIMPy | What do you want it to do? |
| 02:02.40 | [TK]D-Fender | You are giving all the vague portions of this story which aren't helping now |
| 02:02.43 | child | and to use a sip voip account to make calls |
| 02:02.50 | [TK]D-Fender | ARE those SIM cards you're being given or not? |
| 02:02.56 | WIMPy | So you want to build a GSM gateway? YOu can get those off the shelf. |
| 02:03.36 | child | yes Fender |
| 02:03.42 | WIMPy | Or do you want to replace that part completely? |
| 02:03.55 | child | I dont know if its the name WIMPy |
| 02:04.11 | WIMPy | You still haven't given us a real clue as to what you want to do. |
| 02:04.18 | child | ok |
| 02:04.22 | child | let me try again |
| 02:04.37 | WIMPy | And the full story, please. |
| 02:05.08 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, He wants to use those SIM cards to place calls |
| 02:05.28 | WIMPy | Or does he want to replace them? |
| 02:05.32 | WIMPy | I don;t know. |
| 02:05.32 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, That's the ONLY part that's clear now that he's actually committed to telling us what they are |
| 02:06.02 | [TK]D-Fender | child, As WIMPy said there are lots of GSM interfaces & gateway's out there |
| 02:06.04 | [TK]D-Fender | child, <child> yeah because the lines are land lines.. but they use micro chip in a cellphone |
| 02:06.09 | [TK]D-Fender | child, http://www.sangoma.com/products/w400-gsm-card/ |
| 02:06.57 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+GSM+Gateways |
| 02:07.10 | [TK]D-Fender | Tons of VoIP > GSM gateways as well. |
| 02:07.16 | child | I wanna use the sim cards to receive calls... because they have real numbers land lines |
| 02:07.30 | [TK]D-Fender | But if your server is doing the call processing then you don't need the word "voIP" inbetween there. |
| 02:07.40 | [TK]D-Fender | There are GSM CARDS you can use directly. |
| 02:07.49 | [TK]D-Fender | So go pick out a gateway device |
| 02:08.01 | WIMPy | How many SIMs do you want to use? |
| 02:08.05 | [TK]D-Fender | either cards, or an external gateway that speaks something your server can as well |
| 02:08.09 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, 10 |
| 02:08.11 | WIMPy | What do you want to use as phones? |
| 02:08.13 | [TK]D-Fender | (as he mentioned) |
| 02:08.45 | child | I wanna redirect the land lines for voip accounts |
| 02:08.55 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Since you're paying for those land lines... what are you actually going to do with THOSE? |
| 02:09.01 | child | and also use them local |
| 02:09.08 | WIMPy | "nned more tna 10" is not 10. |
| 02:09.28 | WIMPy | urgs |
| 02:09.32 | WIMPy | "need more than 10" is not 10. |
| 02:09.41 | [TK]D-Fender | chliSo you want to use the SIM accounts AND the land lines? |
| 02:09.50 | child | yes |
| 02:10.07 | child | I want to make calls using voip |
| 02:10.10 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Will your telco allow that? Or will they say "Use one OR the other, but not both"? |
| 02:10.11 | WIMPy | And what does redirect "for" voip mean? That again sounds like you want to replace the GSM part. |
| 02:10.15 | child | and receive using land line numbers |
| 02:10.18 | WIMPy | So again: What is it you want to do? |
| 02:10.23 | child | look |
| 02:10.44 | [TK]D-Fender | child, You want your SERVER to use both of these resources, right? |
| 02:10.49 | child | If I create a voip account for more than 10 users and all that stuff they will make calls... |
| 02:11.07 | child | but how can I receive calls if voip dont have a real land line number |
| 02:11.13 | WIMPy | Create where? |
| 02:11.23 | child | anywhere |
| 02:11.24 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Stop talkijng about VoIP like that |
| 02:11.35 | child | sorry I just dont know enough |
| 02:11.37 | [TK]D-Fender | VoIP doesn't "have a number" You have a completely b roken sense of this technology |
| 02:11.37 | WIMPy | Whay shouldn't it have real landline numners? Use an ITSP. |
| 02:11.40 | WIMPy | ~itsp |
| 02:11.40 | infobot | [~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet Telephony Service Provider (or VoIP telephone company). They allow you to either SEND calls to the PSTN (this is called termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs. |
| 02:12.13 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Your GSM cards are effectively LINES via cell-tower service. Your analog lines are lines through a POTS service |
| 02:12.37 | [TK]D-Fender | child, You want your server to be able to use BOTH simultaneously, correct? |
| 02:12.57 | child | yes |
| 02:13.07 | child | thank you for your patience you both |
| 02:13.13 | WIMPy | I wonder if child knows himself what he wants. |
| 02:13.58 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, He is simply using the word VoIP indiscriminately leading to confusion. |
| 02:14.01 | WIMPy | child: Stop trying to talkk about technology. What do you want to achieve? Practically, not technically. |
| 02:14.21 | child | haha sorry |
| 02:14.26 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Fine I just lined you some eact products for these 2 SEPARATE things you are looking to do. |
| 02:14.27 | child | okay |
| 02:14.33 | [TK]D-Fender | linked* |
| 02:14.58 | [TK]D-Fender | child, a sangoma PCI gard if you want to go that route. Your server will talk DIRECTLY to that hardware. |
| 02:15.00 | [TK]D-Fender | OR.... |
| 02:15.03 | child | I have a little business as I said.. they need use phone.. and its expensive to pay the company here to be making calls everywhere... |
| 02:15.20 | [TK]D-Fender | You could get a GSM> VoIP gateway and that device will talk to your server via VoIP |
| 02:15.30 | [TK]D-Fender | do NOT call anything in this process a "voip number". |
| 02:15.51 | child | I use a sip account to make calls using the internet ... and I thought why not to let them use my account |
| 02:15.54 | [TK]D-Fender | it is a PROTOCOL for your server to talk to the DEVICE. When you plug your SIMDS in there... THOSE have a number associated to them. |
| 02:16.31 | WIMPy | Now that's a statement. So where do your GSM "lines" come in to play with that? |
| 02:16.32 | [TK]D-Fender | This "Sip account" is somehting completely separate now. You are introducing a THRIRD thing which only leads to confusion |
| 02:16.35 | child | I should need an adaptor to probably to divide for all those workers |
| 02:16.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Forget "divide" |
| 02:17.04 | child | by the way I they need to receive calls too |
| 02:17.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Your SERVER will have access to all of these PORTS |
| 02:17.16 | child | and I thought I can buy those sim cards... |
| 02:17.22 | child | with land line numbers |
| 02:17.24 | [TK]D-Fender | What you do with your calls is up to uyou |
| 02:17.30 | [TK]D-Fender | the SERVER makes those determinations |
| 02:17.40 | WIMPy | Why not get VOIP accounts with landline numbers? |
| 02:17.53 | child | for each of them... but not use the numbers to make calls... |
| 02:17.56 | child | just to receive |
| 02:18.05 | child | so I just pay a cheap price |
| 02:18.37 | WIMPy | Ok, so GSM for incomming calls and VOIP for outgoing. |
| 02:18.53 | child | yes |
| 02:18.56 | [TK]D-Fender | child, From your description each SIM card relates to a physical land line (POTS) they also give you. Is this not the case? |
| 02:19.16 | WIMPy | And what do you want your people to use as phones? |
| 02:19.39 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, I'm sensing another storyline screwup, lets settle this part first |
| 02:19.47 | [TK]D-Fender | because I'm sensing a big screwup coming... |
| 02:19.49 | WIMPy | did not read that. |
| 02:20.14 | [TK]D-Fender | child, Clarification required <- |
| 02:20.14 | child | the sim cards are pretty same as the mobile sim cards... it just have a land line number which is different numbers from mobile in my country |
| 02:20.27 | child | but you can imagine doing for mobile ... |
| 02:20.35 | WIMPy | Another interesting question is: What kind of internet access do you have? |
| 02:20.38 | [TK]D-Fender | child, You started this conversation talking about ACTUAL LAND LINES. As in JACKS IN YOUR WALL |
| 02:21.05 | [TK]D-Fender | child, is your provider shoving ACTUAL TELEPHONELINE JACKS at your location? |
| 02:21.35 | child | yes I have them ... but another telecommunication company can provide a cheaper price for this technology I told |
| 02:21.45 | child | land lines not as in jacks in my wall |
| 02:21.54 | child | but in a mobile phone |
| 02:21.58 | [TK]D-Fender | child, those lines are privded at the same time as the SIM service? |
| 02:22.03 | child | but if I get out my bussiness with the phone... |
| 02:22.03 | [TK]D-Fender | HUH!>? |
| 02:22.10 | [TK]D-Fender | <child> land lines not as in jacks in my wall <- NO. |
| 02:22.11 | child | it stop working |
| 02:22.27 | [TK]D-Fender | LAND LINE is a stupid coopper wire IN YOUR WALL |
| 02:22.38 | child | ok sorry so |
| 02:22.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ARGH |
| 02:22.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Your description is TERRIBLE |
| 02:23.15 | child | so what to do? |
| 02:23.20 | [TK]D-Fender | If I have a SIM card... I have CELL PHONE SERVICE ONLY |
| 02:23.25 | [TK]D-Fender | I do not have an ANALOG LINE |
| 02:23.29 | [TK]D-Fender | I do not a have a LAND LINE |
| 02:23.35 | [TK]D-Fender | That would be a line ... ON LAND |
| 02:23.39 | [TK]D-Fender | stuck in myg WALL |
| 02:23.58 | [TK]D-Fender | You started this saysin g they gave you BOTH |
| 02:24.02 | child | I got it |
| 02:24.08 | [TK]D-Fender | and I asked for clarification a dozen times on this |
| 02:24.24 | [TK]D-Fender | So you have ONLY those SIM cards and the service associated with them? |
| 02:24.27 | child | I have them both |
| 02:24.33 | child | but forget about the wall |
| 02:24.33 | [TK]D-Fender | What is "both"? |
| 02:24.44 | child | Im going to do cell phone service |
| 02:24.59 | [TK]D-Fender | No, I need to be clear, because as soon as I turn my back you're going to screw the story up with them if we don't cler this up NOW |
| 02:25.11 | WIMPy | Ok, so you have land lines, bu don't want to use those? |
| 02:25.24 | child | yes WIMPy thanks |
| 02:25.54 | WIMPy | It's really hard to find out what your story is. |
| 02:26.05 | WIMPy | But back to the other question: |
| 02:26.09 | child | Im sorry about my way to explain |
| 02:26.11 | WIMPy | >>Another interesting question is: What kind of internet access do you have? |
| 02:26.30 | child | cable modem |
| 02:26.40 | WIMPy | ok |
| 02:28.20 | child | is there something missing out? |
| 02:28.28 | WIMPy | So back to devices. How do you want your people to receivce and place calls? Do you want to give them a single device for both? |
| 02:30.04 | WIMPy | Or actually, before you go further, I'd recommend checking the local ITSPs if they don't provide what you get via those SIMs at the moment even cheaper. |
| 02:30.06 | child | yes I want to give them a single device.. or if its possible.. to buy an adapter to place all those sim cards communicating with the server and I just give them a sip account to use on their phones.... |
| 02:30.40 | WIMPy | Yes, that's the GSM gateway. |
| 02:31.20 | WIMPy | But again: You said you need more than 10 numbers. So how many SIMs do you plan to use? |
| 02:31.50 | child | can I use gsm gateway for incoming and my sip account for outcoming? |
| 02:32.06 | WIMPy | Whatever you like. |
| 02:32.37 | child | I need any number bigger than 10 |
| 02:32.45 | child | 10 is the minimum |
| 02:33.28 | WIMPy | Big gateways are pretty expensive. |
| 02:34.06 | WIMPy | Again: Carefully check what your local ITSP have to offer before going any further. |
| 02:34.35 | child | I pay almost 1 dolar the minute here |
| 02:34.48 | child | anything is better than that |
| 02:35.43 | WIMPy | The other way. |
| 02:36.01 | WIMPy | I very much doubt that it makes sens to get those SIMs for incomming calls. |
| 02:36.23 | WIMPy | And the fact that you can only get one call per number hardly seems ideal, either. |
| 02:36.49 | WIMPy | (technically that's not true, but shouldn't matter here) |
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| 02:37.59 | child | is very different the way to do, to receive more than 1 call per number? |
| 02:38.30 | WIMPy | If you use an ITSP, you surely could. |
| 02:38.52 | child | and to receive calls from number 1 in the number 2 while one is busy ? |
| 02:39.01 | WIMPy | What? |
| 02:39.27 | child | to redirect the incoming call at the phone 1 to the worker at the phone 2 |
| 02:40.11 | WIMPy | Sure. You can do that, but it might cost you per minute for forwarded calls, as if you called yourself. |
| 02:40.27 | WIMPy | Check the contract details. |
| 02:40.43 | child | oh yes its true |
| 02:41.08 | child | so, for the just simple way we talked first |
| 02:41.16 | WIMPy | Some operators do it for free if the calls stays within their network, but others will charge even in that case. |
| 02:41.19 | child | what should I have? |
| 02:41.45 | child | I see |
| 02:41.52 | WIMPy | >>Again: Carefully check what your local ITSP have to offer before going any further. |
| 02:42.37 | WIMPy | It seems likely they are a better option than a mobile operator. |
| 02:42.49 | WIMPy | And you can have multiple calls per number. |
| 02:43.11 | WIMPy | (better as in cheaper) |
| 02:44.00 | child | I dont need multiple calls per number |
| 02:44.32 | WIMPy | Then why did you want to forward calls from one number to the next? |
| 02:45.07 | child | I just wondered if should I have to buy more adaptors for that in the case I want in the future |
| 02:46.09 | WIMPy | What's your budget for the whole thing? |
| 02:47.47 | child | I dont have a budget limit... I dont wanna expend too much unnecessarily.. and buy a good equipment .. |
| 02:48.05 | child | and be possible to pay back in some years |
| 02:48.11 | WIMPy | Famous last words. |
| 02:48.30 | child | by the expenses I would pay for the ITSP`s |
| 02:50.00 | child | like just do a better thing for me than just give them money |
| 02:50.09 | WIMPy | By experience, the people who think that money is not an issue, tend to be the ones whou cough up hevily when they find out that the price is at least 10 times as much as they were willing to spend. |
| 02:52.15 | WIMPy | If I got it right, you already have an ITSP you want to use for outgoing calls. Check if they can provide local numbers. And check what oher ITSPs are might be able to do so. |
| 02:53.40 | child | the problem is how long will I need to pay the investment |
| 02:54.11 | child | and not how much it will cost |
| 02:55.00 | WIMPy | As using an ITSP doesn't require any special hardware, even a sligtly higher price would make sense. |
| 02:55.21 | WIMPy | But I still expect them to be cheaper anyway. |
| 02:55.39 | child | yes but the expenses there pay the hardware I could have |
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| 02:56.52 | WIMPy | Do you know their price for local numbers? |
| 02:57.03 | child | just give me a setup ... |
| 02:57.05 | Tekno | is their a really cheap usb astrabank? |
| 02:57.11 | Tekno | *there |
| 02:57.32 | WIMPy | Astribank and cheap dont really fit. |
| 02:57.33 | child | I can calculate and tell you also the conditions |
| 02:58.01 | WIMPy | Calculate? |
| 02:58.08 | Tekno | is there a like usb to 1 or 2 fxs |
| 02:58.11 | child | WIMPy: yes is almost 1 dolar for different ITSP`s |
| 02:58.37 | WIMPy | Tekno: I think There is such a thing from Sangoma. |
| 02:58.59 | WIMPy | child: What are you talking about? |
| 02:59.38 | child | WIMPy: almost 1 dolar the minute in the call for different ITSP`s numbers |
| 03:00.06 | WIMPy | child: Did you understand what an ITSP is? |
| 03:00.11 | child | yes |
| 03:00.20 | WIMPy | Sure? |
| 03:00.27 | child | yes |
| 03:00.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Almost nobody does FXS via USB that * can use |
| 03:00.39 | child | you asked about the minute price is it? |
| 03:00.44 | WIMPy | Because you told us that's what you want to use for your outgoing calls. |
| 03:00.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Are you sure you're talking about the right kind of port? |
| 03:01.06 | WIMPy | child: And no. I was talking about incomming calls. |
| 03:01.45 | child | incoming -> ITSP`s out-> my voip account |
| 03:01.48 | child | sip |
| 03:02.03 | WIMPy | child: An ITSP is someone who gives you a VOIP account. Infobot told you about that. |
| 03:02.11 | child | no |
| 03:02.16 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, I have a raspberry pi asterisk server no ability to add pci cards etc wanted to get the analog lines going in the house without using an spa ata device |
| 03:02.18 | WIMPy | yes |
| 03:02.21 | child | my sip account is from usa |
| 03:02.30 | child | I use the internet to make calls |
| 03:02.38 | Tekno | *analog phone sets |
| 03:02.43 | child | they are not here at least haha |
| 03:02.59 | child | I understood what you say |
| 03:03.23 | child | ok so, what the question? |
| 03:03.25 | WIMPy | child: And I told you to go and find out which ITSPs can provide you with local number so you can receive calls via VOIP as well. |
| 03:03.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, your concepts are reversed |
| 03:04.13 | child | what if I wanna buy the set up for this ? do you help me to find the hardware? |
| 03:04.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, lets be clear... you want to take your LINES from the telco INTO your server? |
| 03:04.40 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, isnt fxs meaning to the phone sets? and fxo is to take the telco lines in? |
| 03:04.55 | WIMPy | child: First you should find out if there's any need for hardware at all. Well, apart for a server, off course. |
| 03:05.02 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, nope |
| 03:05.25 | Tekno | I want to use the analog phone sets in my house on the asterisk server |
| 03:05.38 | WIMPy | Tekno: where are you from? |
| 03:05.47 | Tekno | Canada |
| 03:06.01 | WIMPy | Bad luck. |
| 03:06.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Are you planning on running wires to them? |
| 03:06.07 | Tekno | why is that? |
| 03:06.28 | child | WIMPy: I told you what I want.. how can I know it? |
| 03:06.56 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, old house wires already ran. |
| 03:07.13 | WIMPy | If you were from Europe or at least not from North America i would have told you to get an USB ISDN adapter and an ISDN to analog adapter. Should cost less than a tenner together. |
| 03:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Do you have a land-line service there already? |
| 03:09.01 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, nope no landline service I only use http://voip.ms currently I have polycom and cisco stations but have some analog stations in the house that I didnt want to run ethernet to |
| 03:10.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Ok, if you just have your common around-the-house-wiring, then find out where the line comes in from the outside, cut that., then get an ATA and plug it into a free jack. All the other phones in your home will share that port on the ATA |
| 03:10.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Any ATA will do really. |
| 03:10.34 | Tekno | I really loathe the spa ata adapters and was hoping there was an usbFXS that I could plug into the raspberry pi to get the analog stations working. |
| 03:10.58 | child | WIMPy, [TK]D-Fender thank you guys until here... sorry about my confusing words |
| 03:11.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, I've never seen a small one that * can use that's cheap. Also keep in mind that FXS supplies POWER to the device... USB is poorly suited for this. |
| 03:11.19 | [TK]D-Fender | The Astribanks take EXTERNAL power anyway. |
| 03:12.33 | WIMPy | has heard of people abusing sound cards... |
| 03:12.52 | [TK]D-Fender | ~savemoney |
| 03:12.52 | infobot | <Gremlin> It's okay, but I was hoping to save some money with a soldering iron and a bunch of sound cards. |
| 03:12.55 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
| 03:13.02 | Tekno | is the power that fxs supplies to trigger the bell ring etc or for old digital pbx sets |
| 03:13.05 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, ah the golden years! |
| 03:13.12 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 03:13.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Line-ring voltage, etc. Seriously... just get an ATA |
| 03:14.03 | WIMPy | Actually I heard a roumor that someone was to build a commercial ATA that way. |
| 03:14.37 | [TK]D-Fender | WIMPy, Devices do exist, like MajicJACK, etc, but those are all proprietary. |
| 03:14.37 | WIMPy | And yes. If you don't have PCI get an ATA. |
| 03:16.06 | WIMPy | Or go on vaccation in europe and pick up the stuff I told you about :-) |
| 03:16.32 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, are there any ata that are more open sourced dd-wrt hacked etc |
| 03:16.54 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Not really.. what's the point? |
| 03:16.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, It's a dumb ATA... |
| 03:17.39 | WIMPy | Exact answer: You can run openwrt/ddwrt on several of them, but I don't know any where you'd have access to the analog ports then. |
| 03:17.47 | Tekno | thats the thing is most of them arnt just dumb ata's usually part router with firmware that gets stale and the device goes discontinued etc |
| 03:17.55 | [TK]D-Fender | You were just asking for a SUB interface for this.. why does it need some extra-special brain now? |
| 03:18.01 | Tekno | then theres no security updates for them etc |
| 03:18.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, are you shoving that device directly on the public internet? |
| 03:18.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, If not... you're worrying for nothing. |
| 03:18.44 | Tekno | I just wanted a dumb usb device that the server handles all software for it etc |
| 03:18.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, yes, well that's just not happening... so... |
| 03:19.14 | Tekno | yeah, thats unfortunate |
| 03:19.22 | WIMPy | Well, an Astribank IS that option. |
| 03:19.35 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, and if you want to alleviate that part of your concern... get a USB NIC for your Pi and use THAT as the interface to the ATA |
| 03:19.49 | WIMPy | And it has enough space to put the server inside :-) |
| 03:19.58 | Tekno | yeah thats all I found when I googled but a wallet painful thing the astrabank is |
| 03:20.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Astribank is disproportionately expensive for this.... |
| 03:20.35 | WIMPy | Well, you know that saying: There's alwas /some/ catch. |
| 03:20.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, USB NIC = $5. ATA = $25. Done |
| 03:20.55 | Tekno | I could rip massive holes in all my walls and run the ethernet for far less :( |
| 03:21.29 | [TK]D-Fender | And what is that ethernet going to do? |
| 03:21.34 | [TK]D-Fender | You wanted to plug ANALOG PHONES in |
| 03:21.35 | WIMPy | You could get soem cheap DSL modems and use them on you copper pair :-) |
| 03:21.42 | [TK]D-Fender | you STILL need an interface for those |
| 03:21.50 | [TK]D-Fender | You aren't providing a complete alternative here |
| 03:22.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Or aas taht in reference to getting an Astribank? |
| 03:22.34 | [TK]D-Fender | was* |
| 03:22.40 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, I was just saying at that point I would just put poe digital set in that location instead of doing that |
| 03:22.59 | Tekno | ref to buying the astrabank |
| 03:23.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Astribank just doesn't make sense |
| 03:23.30 | [TK]D-Fender | whole private-lan ATA solution is $30 |
| 03:24.58 | [TK]D-Fender | And on that note... checkout time.... |
| 03:25.03 | [TK]D-Fender | heads out for the evening... |
| 03:25.07 | Tekno | have a good night |
| 03:25.29 | Tekno | WIMPy, have you done that before? |
| 03:26.17 | Tekno | 2xdsl modems on copper pairs... |
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| 03:26.53 | Tekno | i would think they would need some sort of server |
| 03:28.53 | WIMPy | Yes, you need either a mini DSLAM or you use SDSL modems. |
| 03:29.00 | Tekno | I guess I could get a usb to pci adapter and an fxs card |
| 03:29.19 | Tekno | mini dslam? |
| 03:29.38 | WIMPy | VDSL modem seem to sometimes have the sotftware option to act as either side. |
| 03:30.06 | WIMPy | The thing your el cheapo dsl modem connects to. |
| 03:30.33 | Tekno | yeah I was looking for a sample of what you are speculating at |
| 03:33.08 | WIMPy | ALL-MC115VDSL seems to be one such thing. |
| 03:33.39 | WIMPy | I think I have even seen one that could pe phantom powered and even provide POE. |
| 03:34.00 | Tekno | interesting |
| 03:34.42 | WIMPy | Otherwise even 2 mbit would be plenty tor a phone :-) |
| 03:35.07 | Tekno | do you use any ata's? |
| 03:35.42 | WIMPy | No |
| 03:36.06 | WIMPy | My old phones arent THAT old :-) |
| 03:36.16 | Tekno | what are they? |
| 03:36.37 | WIMPy | ISDN |
| 03:37.03 | WIMPy | Longshine LCS-VE684 is another modem. |
| 03:38.25 | WIMPy | Ha. I found the one with POE. It's a netsys. But I don't see a model name. |
| 03:38.41 | Tekno | I saw some of the http://www.mocalliance.org/ Media Over Coax devices as well which were interesting to get ethernet on the unused coax running through the house |
| 03:39.03 | WIMPy | NVF-200SE / NCF-200PD |
| 03:39.30 | WIMPy | You could alsways use dlan. |
| 03:39.33 | Tekno | do the isdn phone stations get power on their line or ext adapter? |
| 03:39.47 | WIMPy | They are phantom powered. |
| 03:40.39 | WIMPy | Sorry, NVF-200SE / NVF-200PD |
| 03:40.54 | Tekno | never heard of that term |
| 03:41.13 | WIMPy | So that POE option costs quite a bit extra. |
| 03:41.51 | WIMPy | that's a common term use for many thing. It just means that there a no extra power lines, but the power is supplied over the signal lines. |
| 03:42.07 | Tekno | do you know of a extremely cheapo fxs card? |
| 03:42.20 | WIMPy | No |
| 03:42.39 | WIMPy | The cheapest are obviousely ATAs. |
| 03:45.56 | Tekno | ug more wallwarts :( |
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| 03:47.18 | Tekno | I should just repurpose the pots lines to a house sensor network I suppose |
| 03:48.02 | Tekno | wonder what bus would work for that distance |
| 03:49.32 | Tekno | looks like i2c is 9-12ft :/ |
| 03:49.56 | WIMPy | You surely want somethign symmetric. |
| 03:50.32 | WIMPy | RS-485 or such. |
| 03:51.47 | Tekno | 1200 meters (4000 feet) |
| 03:52.02 | Tekno | I suppose that would work haha |
| 03:52.17 | WIMPy | Don't know the size of your house :-) |
| 03:56.22 | Tekno | I feel bad those wires sitting in the walls doing nothing |
| 03:56.43 | Tekno | I see someone used them for a house speaker system |
| 03:56.50 | Tekno | http://lifehacker.com/5464254/set-up-a-low-tech-whole-house-speaker-system-through-existing-phone-lines |
| 03:57.59 | Tekno | what are the isdn phones models you use? |
| 03:58.16 | WIMPy | Several. |
| 03:58.29 | Tekno | whats your fav |
| 03:58.41 | WIMPy | Ascom Eurit 40 |
| 03:58.51 | Tekno | the one that makes you rub your nipples etc |
| 03:59.14 | WIMPy | hasn't found that option, yet. |
| 03:59.21 | Tekno | haha |
| 03:59.45 | Tekno | nice reminds me of those old handheld pcs of times past |
| 04:00.29 | WIMPy | They had much bigger displays. |
| 04:00.46 | WIMPy | And much much more weight. |
| 04:00.51 | Tekno | I have this polycom set that has a colour'd lcd in it that never turns off really seems dumb if its just sitting there doing nothing |
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| 04:03.08 | Tekno | http://www.polycom.com/content/dam/polycom/common/documents/data-sheets/soundpoint-ip670-ds-enus.pdf |
| 04:03.52 | WIMPy | They should configure their web server. |
| 04:04.52 | WIMPy | I still can't open the file. |
| 04:05.12 | Tekno | interesting worked here |
| 04:05.42 | WIMPy | Looks like it was incomplete. |
| 04:06.04 | Tekno | the only reason I like this phone is it has gigabit switch passthrough |
| 04:07.38 | WIMPy | You hardly find any Polycom phones on this continent. |
| 04:08.02 | WIMPy | Except for their conference room stations. |
| 04:08.18 | Tekno | I dont see why they would produce any products with 100mbps any more, probably cost more to produce antiquated tech in service |
| 04:08.52 | Tekno | what is the kingpin there? |
| 04:09.14 | WIMPy | Don't know if there is any. |
| 04:09.53 | Tekno | here its mainly cisco, polycom, avaya |
| 04:10.28 | WIMPy | I like that desktop paging concept on the Avaya. |
| 04:11.02 | Tekno | ? |
| 04:11.18 | WIMPy | BTP on the IP670 the cursor keys at the top would be a definite no go for me. |
| 04:11.35 | WIMPy | Switching between the phone app and the browser. |
| 04:12.26 | WIMPy | That's just as stupid as on the Alcatel phones. They also had the cursor keys in the most uncomfortable position. |
| 04:12.47 | Tekno | where do you like them? |
| 04:12.59 | Tekno | lower right? |
| 04:13.10 | Tekno | so you can rest your hand on the desk etc |
| 04:13.18 | WIMPy | yes |
| 04:13.21 | WIMPy | indeed |
| 04:13.45 | Tekno | I usually just hold the phone like a game controller |
| 04:13.50 | WIMPy | And I also think that tiltable displays are a pretty damn good idea. |
| 04:15.16 | WIMPy | At least backlit displays have become standard. |
| 04:15.43 | Tekno | yeah backlit is good when it turns off though on idle |
| 04:16.14 | Tekno | in the menu it just has DIM option |
| 04:16.43 | WIMPy | Yes |
| 04:16.44 | Tekno | and the dim is basically the same as on in the colour model :/ |
| 04:17.24 | WIMPy | That's what annoyed me on the SPA. They also were much too bright. Much better as a desk lamp than a phone. |
| 04:18.14 | Tekno | I was thinking about hacking a switch to the power line |
| 04:18.20 | WIMPy | You could try the Digium phones. You can dim down to off when idle. |
| 04:21.23 | WIMPy | Oh, and why do (almost) all the IP phones have line keys? |
| 04:24.10 | Tekno | so they can charge more |
| 04:24.26 | WIMPy | More? |
| 04:24.58 | Tekno | oh you want more that 2 lines you have to go to our Cadillac model x etc |
| 04:26.14 | WIMPy | Yes, I want more than 2 lines. But I don't want line keys. Certainly not the ones next to the display. They should be call keys. |
| 04:30.50 | Tekno | they limit you to things so your forced to buy higher model sets that you actually dont need |
| 04:34.04 | WIMPy | Actually I don't use more than 2 accounts on any voip phone, except for testing. |
| 04:34.28 | WIMPy | And in the end you could say I only use them for testing at all. |
| 04:36.34 | Tekno | Ideally an android device with csipsimple is probably only thing needed future forward |
| 04:37.36 | WIMPy | Auerswald Desktop phones are Android devices. |
| 04:38.02 | WIMPy | But they probably use sofia as they do on their PBXs. |
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| 04:58.37 | child | WIMPy: do you know if is there a limit for calls at the same time using the same sim card from ITSP ? |
| 05:00.22 | Tekno | cellular sim card? |
| 05:01.16 | Tekno | only a single account can exist on a simcard, so not sure how that would work |
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| 06:15.29 | Mohsen_Hassani | Hello guys. When running asterisk as service, I get error: Failed to start asterisk.service: Unit asterisk.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 06:16.05 | Mohsen_Hassani | For creating the /etc/init.d/asterisk I followed the steps in this site: http://jerodsanto.net/2008/09/starting-asterisk-on-boot-in-debian/ |
| 06:16.11 | Mohsen_Hassani | I'm using asterisk on Debian. |
| 06:21.45 | ChannelZ | the syntax of that error doesn't look familiar.. |
| 06:24.39 | Mohsen_Hassani | I googled a lot but no luck! That's why I'm here :D I hope somebody has experience in this problem :) |
| 06:25.28 | ChannelZ | What version of asterisk? |
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| 06:34.29 | ChannelZ | oh... is your debian running systemd? |
| 06:38.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Mohsen_Hassani, Stop following 6-year old guides |
| 06:39.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Mohsen_Hassani, And show us your actual attempt |
| 06:40.37 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChannelZ, sorry, I didn't notice your message until [TK]D-Fender sent that message :) I'm running 1.8 and because of this old softswitch in my company I have to keep using old asterisk until I get the softswitch updated :) |
| 06:42.14 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChannelZ, I don't know what you mean by 'is your debian running systemd', but I see I have this command. |
| 06:42.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Mohsen_Hassani, And show us your actual attempt <---- |
| 06:43.02 | Mohsen_Hassani | [TK]D-Fender, I didn't know that guide was too old, but at least it suits my old softswitch and asterisk 1.8 :) |
| 06:43.11 | ChannelZ | IE is it a newish version of debian that uses systemd and not SysV init.. because the error you pasted didn't come out of the rc.debian init script as far as I know |
| 06:43.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | [TK]D-Fender, What do you mean by 'actual attempt' :D? I just followed that guide and did /etc/init.d/asterisk start which raised that error. |
| 06:44.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Mohsen_Hassani, Show us |
| 06:44.37 | Mohsen_Hassani | ChannelZ, I'm using SID version of Debian, |
| 06:45.56 | Mohsen_Hassani | [TK]D-Fender, here it is :) http://dpaste.com/0D87AZM |
| 06:45.59 | ChannelZ | so probably yes then |
| 06:46.34 | ChannelZ | yup.. systemd |
| 06:46.36 | ChannelZ | throws his hands up |
| 06:46.43 | ChannelZ | no idea |
| 06:47.25 | [TK]D-Fender | Mohsen_Hassani, Show us what's in the init script, and start showing us the folders it's looking into |
| 06:49.23 | Tekno | [TK]D-Fender, WIMPy http://openusbfxs.wordpress.com/ http://amfeltec.com/piranha-usb-adapters/?view=list |
| 06:50.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, interesting... |
| 06:50.48 | Mohsen_Hassani | [TK]D-Fender, This is the init script: http://dpaste.com/3GEJBTJ |
| 06:50.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Not sure how much juice a Pi puts out on USB.... |
| 06:51.34 | Tekno | probably need a powered hub |
| 06:51.49 | Tekno | pi is known for its usb destruction plugging too many devices in |
| 06:52.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, Well it lists DAHDI support through 2.10 so that might very well do the job.... |
| 06:57.10 | Tekno | I fumbled across them looking for more information on that openusbfxs which I found from his openusbfxo page which I found from this guys page http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=1776 |
| 06:59.26 | [TK]D-Fender | a DIY to raw audio, but standard * interface for it |
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| 07:07.26 | Tekno | looks like the piranha retail around $107 |
| 07:07.53 | Tekno | http://www.telephonydepot.com/Catalog/Single-FXS-Analog-Adapters/Piranha-USB-FXS |
| 07:08.06 | Tekno | http://www.telephonydepot.com/Catalog/Single-FXO-Analog-Adapters/Piranha-USB-FXO |
| 07:08.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Hardly seems worth it in the end |
| 07:08.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Simple analog phone connection (up to 0.7 REN) |
| 07:09.14 | [TK]D-Fender | THAT could be very problematic for plugging your home wiring onto with multipe phones. |
| 07:09.43 | [TK]D-Fender | typical ATA's put out 3REN+ |
| 07:10.04 | [TK]D-Fender | And the cost effectiveness factor is pretty crappy. |
| 07:11.18 | Tekno | do you use any ata's? |
| 07:11.35 | [TK]D-Fender | I've used several. |
| 07:11.49 | Tekno | which one did you prefer? |
| 07:11.55 | [TK]D-Fender | I stick to the Cisco/Linksys pretty much exclusively really. |
| 07:12.23 | [TK]D-Fender | They work well, have a good featureset and competitive cost |
| 07:12.25 | Tekno | ~ren |
| 07:12.26 | infobot | well, ren is Ringer Equivalence Number - a telephone line can normally supply upto 4 REN, where a standard telephone/answering machine etc would equal 1 REN |
| 07:12.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Just about any of them will do. |
| 07:14.54 | Tekno | so if I put 10 sets on a 4 ren normal line basically that could blow something drawing to much current in the phone companies box outside if they didnt have proper protection |
| 07:15.28 | [TK]D-Fender | remember that most modern phones aren't like the old mechanical bell for draw |
| 07:16.06 | [TK]D-Fender | So the requirement is much lower than you'd think, but the difference from 3 -> 0.7 is pretty huge |
| 07:16.49 | Tekno | what do you think the general ren of a modern phone would be? |
| 07:17.13 | [TK]D-Fender | Honestly not sure... |
| 07:18.36 | Tekno | even though its not cost effective I wanted each fxs to just go to a single phone set, I will end up going the ata route, we use them at work to trigger the loud bells on the bvoip system |
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| 07:20.05 | [TK]D-Fender | multiple ports? Yeah, that cost effectiveness becomes super crap with the USB option |
| 07:21.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ATA's are around $20/port or less used |
| 07:21.41 | Tekno | thanks for the info on REN was not aware of it |
| 07:22.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Everything depends on your sensitivity to price, specific desired layout, etc |
| 07:22.52 | Tekno | do you think the ata would allow itself to be harmed by overloaded ren? or phones would just not work |
| 07:23.15 | [TK]D-Fender | they'd average out and some would fail to ring, etc |
| 07:23.20 | [TK]D-Fender | mess with CallerID, etc |
| 07:23.32 | [TK]D-Fender | Consequences are documented |
| 07:24.16 | Tekno | "The REN of modern telephone equipment may be significantly lower than 1. For example, externally powered digital-ring telephones may have a REN as low as 0.1, while modern analog-ring telephones, in which the ringer is powered from the telephone line, typically have a REN of approximately 0.8." |
| 07:25.21 | Tekno | hopefully that adapter is lowballing its ren :S |
| 07:25.46 | [TK]D-Fender | No, the adapter is showing it's spec (don't forget you need a hub to power it). |
| 07:25.53 | [TK]D-Fender | pretty fugly really... |
| 07:27.25 | Tekno | haha nobody would see it, all my gear is rack mounted, was going to take an old server case and toss the raspi in with all the gear to tidy it up |
| 07:28.19 | Tekno | "1 REN as equivalent to a 6930 Ω resistor in series with an 8 µF (microfarad) capacitor." |
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| 07:39.24 | Tekno | is there a 4 port model of linksys/cisco ata;s |
| 07:41.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Think so. I know there's an 8 port |
| 07:42.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | When running my softswitch application, I get an asterisk error in this file, http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/HOOWA/Asterisk-config-0.9/config.pm, line 383, sub save_file function, #save file and check new_file |
| 07:42.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | if (defined $opts{'new_file'} && $opts{'new_file'} ne '') { |
| 07:42.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | open(SAVE,">$opts{'new_file'}") or die "Asterisk-config Save_file can't write : $!"; |
| 07:42.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | } else { |
| 07:42.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | open(SAVE,">$self->{'file'}") or die "Asterisk-config Save_file can't write : ". |
| 07:43.13 | Mohsen_Hassani | oh my godddd, I didn't mean to paste the block of code here :( I'm sorry; let me dpaste everything and come back to you. gosh! |
| 07:43.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, http://www.voipsupply.com/grandstream-ht704 |
| 07:44.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, that's as cheap as they come. and GS is not really great. 2 used Linksys will cost quite a bit cheaper for a better product. |
| 07:45.04 | [TK]D-Fender | Tekno, But take up more space & plugs |
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| 07:47.30 | FedoraUser | here is a noobish question: do asterisk clients need port forwarding? |
| 07:48.43 | [TK]D-Fender | normally no |
| 07:48.46 | FedoraUser | in other words: does audio traffic goes through server or directly peer to peer? |
| 07:49.02 | FedoraUser | [TK]D-Fender, oh ok, that is good news |
| 07:51.49 | [TK]D-Fender | depends on what you configure. |
| 07:52.07 | [TK]D-Fender | if they are NAT'd you generally always want all sides going to the server only |
| 07:52.57 | FedoraUser | [TK]D-Fender, oh, then I think I misconfigured it, because I am getting "no reply to our critical packet" when behind nat |
| 07:53.23 | [TK]D-Fender | excellent sign that something's wrong. |
| 07:58.50 | Mohsen_Hassani | Guys here is my earlier permission problem: http://dpaste.com/1HN5ZZ4 |
| 08:01.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Go look at where that file looks at |
| 08:02.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | [TK]D-Fender, So it's because of my app? I thought Asterisk Config is using a special path which I didn't know. |
| 08:03.04 | [TK]D-Fender | IT could be |
| 08:03.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | :)) thanks |
| 08:03.33 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't know where your app is looking VS where theings are. I don't knwo what the actual permissions are either |
| 08:03.45 | [TK]D-Fender | That's what LOOKING means... |
| 08:03.46 | [TK]D-Fender | go look |
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| 08:23.40 | [TK]D-Fender | bed time, later all |
| 08:26.47 | ChannelZ | Of course I'm sitting here trying to debug some spam filtering, which is usually coming in like a flood... but no email is coming in |
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