| 00:27.44 | jeev | malcolmd, out of date pbx's but i wonder what he's hinting at |
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| 15:27.12 | chandoo | hi |
| 15:27.16 | chandoo | i installed asterisk |
| 15:27.40 | chandoo | what is the basic stuff i need, to configure ip phones |
| 15:28.44 | chandoo | my requirement is i have few people working in different countries, i want to configure the ip phones and send it to them once they plugin to internet it should work |
| 15:29.02 | chandoo | is my understanding right about asterisk can do this? |
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| 15:44.06 | carrar | yes |
| 15:44.13 | carrar | Thats the most simplest setup |
| 15:45.31 | carrar | chandoo: Most phones have a web page you can type in the IP or hostname of you Asterisk server as well as a username & pass |
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| 15:46.21 | carrar | Morning TK |
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| 16:16.56 | jeev | anyone having caller id issues to VoLTE capable phones? |
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| 16:22.07 | [sr] | hi WIMPy |
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| 16:29.25 | chandoo | where to start the configuration, i am new to asterisk |
| 16:29.29 | chandoo | is there a gui setup |
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| 16:47.43 | WIMPy | Hi [sr] |
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| 16:50.05 | WIMPy | jeev: Is that question Asterisk related? |
| 16:50.06 | [TK]D-Fender | chandoo, What do you actually want to do? |
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| 16:51.05 | chandoo | buy an account online, configure 4 ip phone and send it to my employees, they plug it to internet and they should be online with thier own extension |
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| 17:07.05 | [TK]D-Fender | chandoo, www.freepbx.org <- they make a GUI for Asterisk including an ISO for a complete install of a system configuring all of the basics of the different bits for you. |
| 17:07.41 | chandoo | [TK]D-Fender, i am using my nas for asterisk |
| 17:07.51 | chandoo | freenas |
| 17:08.21 | [TK]D-Fender | chandoo, If this is what you insist on thenm you're going to have to do some work to install a GUI manually. |
| 17:08.37 | chandoo | okay |
| 17:08.54 | [TK]D-Fender | chandoo, go download it and follow their WIKI for the basic insttructions to set it up. |
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| 17:18.06 | jeev | WIMPy, i dont know, is it? someone is blaming old pbx's on a forum, not sure if they're hinting at asterisk or what. i'm asking other operators to see if they have an issue or not |
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| 17:18.40 | WIMPy | So what are you actually talking about? |
| 17:19.05 | jeev | when calling some att iphone 6's and now others claim, other network lte devices that supports VoLTE, calls go as unknown. |
| 17:19.17 | jeev | voiceops mailing list had some people respond saying they've seen it |
| 17:19.20 | jeev | wondering if any asterisk operators have seen it |
| 17:19.30 | jeev | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6583578?start=150&tstart=0 |
| 17:19.40 | WIMPy | That's far too little information to make any sense. |
| 17:20.37 | jeev | this forum doesn't allow for permalinks |
| 17:20.57 | jeev | or it does https://discussions.apple.com/message/27887760#27887760 |
| 17:21.09 | WIMPy | Doesn't make sense to look there before we know the actual question anyway. So what is it? |
| 17:21.22 | jeev | are you serious right now ? |
| 17:21.31 | WIMPy | Yes |
| 17:21.32 | jeev | i'm asking if anyone here has experienced this issue, what is your problem ? |
| 17:22.14 | WIMPy | You didn't describe the issue. Not in any way that make sense to someone who doesn't already know your setup. |
| 17:22.54 | jeev | fine, whatever. if someone else has this issue, they'll understand my request and i'm not looking for help regarding caller id, was just trying to see if anyone else is experiencing it |
| 17:23.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Your description is VERY vague |
| 17:23.23 | [TK]D-Fender | No real circumstances. No prrof owhat's transmitted. No carrier information, nada |
| 17:23.45 | [TK]D-Fender | "no proof of what's transmitted"* |
| 17:23.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Poor description, no actual evidence |
| 17:25.02 | WIMPy | Maybe the question is just if iPhones work correctly on LTE? That's all the information I see so far. |
| 17:26.50 | jeev | i also linked a thread on apple with eleven pages, now i dont expect anyone to read it but had it been anyone else asking a question, someone would have read it. |
| 17:27.21 | jeev | <jeev> wondering if any asterisk operators have seen it <- this is asking if anyone has seen caller id go unknown specific to volte |
| 17:27.26 | jeev | not reporting a bug here... |
| 17:28.02 | WIMPy | I can't open it here. And so far I still have no idea why I would open it or what to look for there. |
| 17:32.44 | jeev | (if you care) |
| 17:32.45 | jeev | I apologize for an irritable and cranky response, but I was feeling cranky because this issue has been resolved months ago, with Verizon and AT&T both acknowledging that it is a network compatibility issue between VoLTE and some VoIP PBXes, they are working on a network solution, and the temporary solution is to disable VoLTE provisioning on accounts of phones that support VoLTE (it is all |
| 17:32.45 | jeev | VoLTE-capable phones, not just iPhones). Disabling VoLTE in Settings on the phone doesn't resolve it, because the CLID is lost in the network switch, before the call reaches the mobile phone. |
| 17:33.36 | jeev | (if you care again) You clearly did not bother to read the thread you posted to, where the fix was posted months ago. The 2nd post even give insight into the problem. This issue is caused by a combination of factors, having nothing to do with the iPhone. First, your office PBX is running outdated versions of firmware that does not meet the current standard for CLID. Second, your carrier |
| 17:33.36 | jeev | assumed that all PBXes would be on the current standard. The result is Voice over LTE, which is available on the iPhone, does not support Caller ID from out of date PBXes. |
| 17:33.46 | jeev | bbl |
| 17:33.52 | WIMPy | And where do PBXes come in to that equation? |
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| 17:34.43 | WIMPy | Well, if the caller ID works on calls to other destinations, it can't be that wrong, can it? |
| 17:35.16 | WIMPy | That statement doesn't make sense. |
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| 17:37.28 | WIMPy | Unless you have some information in your hat, we dont know about yey, this seems to be an issue on the LTE side. |
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| 17:49.30 | WIMPy | Reading the forum, I get the impression of very bad technology. |
| 17:56.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Only way for something to get "lost" is a screwed up implementation of the gateway itself |
| 17:57.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Because on the "VoIP PBX" side.. let's work on the premise of SIP .... SIP is SIP. The caller ID is either there, or it isn't |
| 17:57.33 | [TK]D-Fender | If it isn't... then it isn't the PBX's problem. |
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| 17:57.50 | [TK]D-Fender | If the gateway is putting the information in the wrong place, or not at all... it is the gateway. |
| 17:59.30 | WIMPy | Well, with SIP there is a format problem, but that needs to be resolved anyway. |
| 17:59.57 | WIMPy | And do those end user PBXes really talk SIP to the VoLTE gateway? |
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| 18:01.04 | WIMPy | But it's like was writen on Heise: We will never see reliable telephony again. |
| 18:01.23 | WIMPy | The guy was heavily bashed for that statement, but it's obviousely true. |
| 18:21.45 | WIMPy | Interesting BTW, how in the beginning it was PBXes in PRIs and then changed without explanation to VOIP PBXes. |
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| 19:04.09 | WIMPy | jeev: Did you read the full thread? It's pretty interesting and show that the real issue is more fundamental. |
| 19:10.49 | WIMPy | And the part about PBX software versions is just garbage. |
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| 19:39.31 | [sr] | WIMPy: dont know if you're talking about the same thing, but in here some Telco's provide to the client an DSL Line, and in the end a TA with 2x/4x BRI ISDN, instead of having 4 pairs of cables to 4x BRI ISDN |
| 19:40.03 | [sr] | they're doing this also on top of fiber connections, vodafone if the 1st doing that here |
| 19:41.09 | WIMPy | That's what the cheaper carriers have been doing for many years. |
| 19:41.20 | [sr] | and there's another one providing BRI ISDN over 4g connections also |
| 19:41.29 | WIMPy | Although the standard hardware only includes 2fxs and 1 bri. |
| 19:41.57 | [sr] | but i would never go with 4g.. not now, its overloaded |
| 19:42.00 | WIMPy | Yeh, it doesn't really matter where you get your IP from. |
| 19:42.22 | [sr] | WIMPy: they're are putting an extra TA to provide the BRI ports |
| 19:43.09 | WIMPy | Nothing beats a cable :-) |
| 19:43.31 | WIMPy | You can get gateways from everything to everything, really. |
| 19:43.54 | [sr] | WIMPy: one cable operator here, provides BRI ISDN with mediatrix TA's |
| 19:44.02 | WIMPy | The interesting question is always the implementation. |
| 19:44.38 | [sr] | WIMPy: i'm with you on that, but yes its cheaper for the telco and if that means cheaper prices and the specific case its not critical, its ok |
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| 19:45.08 | [sr] | WIMPy: we say something here like: "Coper is like a cat, it has 7 life's" |
| 19:46.19 | WIMPy | Maybe it's cheaper. I'm not even really sure about that one. But the cost-benefit-ratio is a lot worse. |
| 19:46.42 | qakhan | hi all, i have setup asterisk behind the cisco router (NAT). 2 phones P1 and P2 throught internet are register and can talk to each other. i have 1 phone P3 on LAN, when P1 or P2 dial the P3 then there is no voice |
| 19:46.48 | WIMPy | You get a much worse service for a marginally lower price. |
| 19:50.50 | [sr] | WIMPy: yes, where i want quality and no voice hangs or so, direct isdn line, but hey, my only PRI instalation, was down at least 2 times in 6 months :S SHDSL was cutt'ed!!! |
| 19:51.50 | WIMPy | Yes, the SHDSL lines are definitely not an improvement, either. |
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| 19:54.58 | [sr] | oh well |
| 19:55.02 | [sr] | going dinner |
| 19:55.04 | [sr] | be well |
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| 20:12.58 | qakhan | any thoughts |
| 20:18.02 | WIMPy | qakhan: You're not new here. You should know what it takes to make Asterisk work behind NAT. |
| 20:18.24 | WIMPy | And if not there are tons of explanations out there. |
| 20:30.24 | qakhan | WIMPy i have not doen that before |
| 20:31.13 | qakhan | i have put nat=yes on all phones but P3 still does not work |
| 20:32.10 | WIMPy | That's for phones behind NAT. YOu need to configure ALL the NAT settings under [general] if Asterisk is behind NAT. |
| 20:32.24 | [TK]D-Fender | And that's only PART of what's needed for a phone itself |
| 20:34.26 | qakhan | localnet=192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 20:34.45 | qakhan | externip = 50.204.x.x |
| 20:35.00 | qakhan | net = yes |
| 20:35.17 | qakhan | these 3 settings i have done in sip.conf |
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| 21:07.51 | drathir | hi guys... |
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| 22:28.09 | ChannelZ | ahoyhoy |
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| 22:29.11 | xochilpili | hi all |
| 22:29.42 | xochilpili | is there a link to autoprovisioning spa504g sip phones with asteriskNOW? |
| 22:30.10 | xochilpili | reading i found something with tftp but can this be done with http instead? |
| 22:31.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Read their admin guide |
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| 22:39.48 | xochilpili | [TK]D-Fender, i dont understand this: do i have to set the firmware (necessary)? |
| 22:42.09 | [TK]D-Fender | READ THEIR MANUAL |
| 22:42.15 | [TK]D-Fender | You asked what they can support |
| 22:42.20 | [TK]D-Fender | them MANUAL tells you |
| 22:42.24 | [TK]D-Fender | their |
| 22:42.24 | xochilpili | im reading |
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| 22:48.52 | jeev | WIMPy, i'm back.. i read it yes, the guy is just knocking voip pbx, i dont know, |
| 22:56.27 | WIMPy | jeev: I like the post the most that claims that it has been a known issue sonce 2006. |
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| 23:06.08 | voip | yeehawwww |
| 23:21.07 | jeev | WIMPy lol i probably didn't see that one |
| 23:21.23 | jeev | anyway, that same pbx is dialing out fine through a voip provider but the "tdm" isn't passing caller id to some phones |
| 23:21.27 | jeev | to some cells |
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| 23:22.02 | WIMPy | Then the configuration needs fixing. |
| 23:22.09 | jeev | it's not pbx side |
| 23:22.16 | jeev | the tdm provider says others have complained too |
| 23:22.26 | jeev | blaming att or some shit, iphone6. i dont know. dont care anymore |
| 23:22.30 | WIMPy | Are you sure? |
| 23:23.01 | WIMPy | My conclusion is another one. |
| 23:24.38 | jeev | what do you think? |
| 23:24.41 | jeev | what are you tinking |
| 23:26.06 | WIMPy | The issue seems to be triggered by badly configured PBXes. The real problem however is that Central Offices and Telco servers pass one the garbage unfiltered. A very bad idea. |
| 23:26.49 | WIMPy | The VoLTE gateways seem to be unable to handle the bad caller IDs ad discard them. |
| 23:27.11 | WIMPy | Which seems to be a reasonable action to me. |
| 23:27.47 | jeev | it's a stock fpbx install |
| 23:27.56 | WIMPy | So it's raterh unlikely that it's a worldwide issue as has been claimed. |
| 23:28.27 | WIMPy | So what? It's all user input. FreePBX can't do much about it. |
| 23:28.42 | WIMPy | And apart from that it's not supported in here. |
| 23:31.01 | jeev | hmm http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1851968-UNKNOWN-caller-ID-and-VoLTE-with-iPhone-6 |
| 23:31.21 | jeev | probably a multitude of issues |
| 23:31.42 | WIMPy | Yes, at least 3 as far as I can see. |
| 23:33.18 | jeev | but the carriers dont seem to be blaming "misconfigured" pbx's |
| 23:33.39 | WIMPy | It's not the real issue. |
| 23:34.15 | WIMPy | It's the telcos not propperly checking user imput before forwarding. |
| 23:34.18 | jeev | WIMPy, if the same pbx can send caller id out tdm but an itsp doesn't fail, is that a pbx isue ? |
| 23:34.29 | jeev | oh ok so itsp doesn't care;forwards |
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| 23:41.11 | WIMPy | It might also be misconfigured switches. |
| 23:43.09 | jeev | ok |
| 23:58.00 | drmessano | A quick google search seems to reveal this is a widespread issue. That ONE poster complaining that this is a "voip pbx" issue only fails the Signal-to-Noise Ratio text to me |
| 23:59.04 | WIMPy | Someone else stated that it happens on calls from PRIs. |
| 23:59.04 | drmessano | How exactly does it matter that a call going from PBX >> Carrier switch >> Mobile Endpoint was originated by an IP PBX? |
| 23:59.07 | drmessano | I call bullshit |
| 23:59.37 | WIMPy | But it looks like it might even happen when forwarding on POTS lines. |
| 23:59.54 | WIMPy | The the whole network seems to be in a pretty bad state. |