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| 00:22.02 | asteriskmonkey | file: have you worked with ari a fair bit? |
| 00:22.25 | file | I haven't written many ARI apps, but I know how it works |
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| 03:14.09 | janicez | yoh |
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| 07:27.46 | janicez | so um |
| 07:27.52 | janicez | ,(*) is a thing |
| 07:28.00 | janicez | btw that's a textified asterisk logo |
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| 09:59.28 | Mohamed_linux | good morning :) |
| 10:01.24 | Mohamed_linux | good morning :) |
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| 10:44.22 | file | moo |
| 10:45.05 | pa | what would be an affordable pci/pci-express 1port fxo card? |
| 10:45.17 | pa | or is it better to have it external ethernet/usb? |
| 10:45.51 | pa | i fear i'll have to give up on ISDN.. the problems with dmtf persist.. |
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| 11:38.09 | avb | anyone familar with unimrcp here? :) |
| 11:38.57 | avb | somehow bargein occurs too fast and my ivr message stops playing in about 1 second after call came in |
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| 12:58.53 | whizzi | hello all :) |
| 13:02.13 | whizzi | is my assumption right that if I have dtmfmode=auto in chan_sip, Asterisk will first try to do RFC2833 and if itâs got an invite-header stating it does RFC2833, it will not listen to Inband DTMF anymore ? |
| 13:05.51 | whizzi | I have this strange issue that I customer on provider A calls to provider B. Provider A only does inband while Provider B does both. Provider B sends an Invite to my Asterisk box (which has auto DTMF mode) and in that header is RFC2833 enabled. But the DTMF choices are coming in using inband and Asterisk doesnât recognize them at all. Hence the assumption. |
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| 13:07.29 | [TK]D-Fender | What they offer shouldn't be changing from call to call, so you should be setting a fixed value |
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| 13:09.10 | whizzi | it doesnât change, the INVITE always shows RFC2833 headers and we only have issues with this 'provider A' who sends inband to provider B while provider B sends me the INVITE with RFC2833 header and then sends inband DTMF |
| 13:09.38 | [TK]D-Fender | So set the mode for each and you're done |
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| 13:14.39 | whizzi | Iâll try that, but Iâm still wondering if my assumption is right that as soon as Asterisk receives RFC2833 for DTMF, it simply wonât listen to inband anymore |
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| 13:16.33 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk will use what you tell it to use |
| 13:17.00 | whizzi | Itâs on dtmfmode=auto |
| 13:17.26 | whizzi | (for testing Iâll put it on inband, but I get other issues then) |
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| 13:19.06 | whizzi | Iâm asking because of http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+sip+dtmfmode saying: auto: Asterisk will use rfc2833 for DTMF relay by default but will switch to inband DTMF tones if the remote side does not indicate support of rfc2833 in SDP. |
| 13:19.47 | whizzi | I have a remote party which indicates support of rfc2833 in SDP but the DTMF is coming in as inband |
| 13:22.10 | whizzi | and itâs ignored at this moment, so either Iâm going to dig deeper to find the problem why the inband DTMF are not recognized (and perhaps start using zaptel) or ask Provider B to fix the issue on their side (which is either not send the header or change the inband to RFC2833 ) |
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| 14:03.20 | sungod | Hello I made a callback script that generates call-files and goes to a point in the dial-plain where it continues execution.Everything works programmatically but the side that waits for the callback gets a voice-message instead IVR on answer.I'm guessing it has to do something with early media? |
| 14:06.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Until you're actually looking all you're doing is guessing... |
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| 14:22.12 | nbjoerg | is matt jordan here? |
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| 14:23.35 | sungod | <[TK]D-Fender> I've looked at the dial plan while executing and was coordinating with a friend from what I was looking at it seemed fine. |
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| 14:27.09 | Thorn | hello |
| 14:27.36 | Thorn | can 1.8 be upgraded to 11 without changing existing config files? |
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| 14:29.27 | Thorn | I don't see anything in https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Upgrading+to+Asterisk+11 that would affect me |
| 14:29.54 | superscrat | Thorn, look at the dialplan functions |
| 14:30.06 | superscrat | make sure you are not using anything that has been deprecated |
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| 14:34.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Thorn: Confbridge went through major changes. Other bits and pieces all around |
| 14:34.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Thorn: Though I'd jump right to 13 |
| 14:34.55 | file | go go 13 |
| 14:35.29 | superscrat | file, go go flourless chocolate cake. |
| 14:35.52 | Thorn | I'm using DAHDI with a TDM2400P and SIP |
| 14:36.23 | Thorn | and a queue |
| 14:36.42 | superscrat | Thorn, DAHDI, chan_sip and queues are all still supported in 13. |
| 14:37.18 | Thorn | there's also a statistics web app that takes info from a postgresql database |
| 14:39.01 | Thorn | okay thank you I'll try upgrading to 13 because this server is going to run unattended for another 3 years at least |
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| 14:40.30 | Thorn | I understand that for ubuntu, compiling from source is the recommended way? |
| 14:41.12 | superscrat | Thorn, that is how I did it. |
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| 15:36.28 | jonno11 | does anyone have any experience resetting the admin password on Polycom 330 unit? |
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| 16:03.37 | carrar | jonno11: you mean holding 1357 and then enter the mac address? |
| 16:03.50 | jonno11 | carrar: It's not working unfortunately |
| 16:03.54 | carrar | or maybe 468* and MAC |
| 16:04.28 | jonno11 | carrar: it works initially, I get into the initial menu, then when it boots to the normal screen I can't login using the web interface or the Advanced Settings bit |
| 16:05.12 | carrar | Can you get into the admin menu via the phone menu |
| 16:06.18 | carrar | can also try uploading a new phone config |
| 16:07.50 | jonno11 | carrar: can I upload a config without password? |
| 16:10.42 | jonno11 | carrar: and no, the admin menu via the phone menu is where the password prompt appears |
| 16:10.47 | jonno11 | 456 doesn't work |
| 16:10.50 | jonno11 | even after reset |
| 16:10.59 | carrar | they you did not reset the phone |
| 16:11.34 | jonno11 | carrar: Well I held down the 3 5 7 1 buttons until the password prompt appeared, then entered the mac address |
| 16:11.52 | jonno11 | carrar: that worked, and I could enter 456 and be let into the setup |
| 16:12.05 | jonno11 | but then once booted, from the phone menu 456 no longer worked |
| 16:12.33 | carrar | then tell it to upload a new config once you are in the setup menu |
| 16:12.41 | [TK]D-Fender | so on boot go into the boot menu then select factory reset |
| 16:12.47 | carrar | have it setup to fetch your ftp config file |
| 16:13.09 | carrar | that too |
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| 16:16.03 | jonno11 | [TK]D-Fender: ah ok - I'll try that now |
| 16:19.09 | jonno11 | [TK]D-Fender: There's no factory reset option in the boot menu |
| 16:20.18 | [TK]D-Fender | jonno11: Then grab fresh firmware and force an up/down-grade |
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| 16:53.32 | MrSparks | hello I need some help to open asterisk ports in opensuse firewall ? |
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| 16:57.55 | [TK]D-Fender | please rephrase your question |
| 16:58.25 | carrar | iptables -F |
| 17:00.02 | MrSparks | [TK]D-Fender, I think I solved it. I have asterisk on opensuse and I am using yast to open the 5060 port ( both udp and tcp ) now I try to open the rdp 10000:20000 ports |
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| 17:02.37 | Dpunkt | Hello, i have a problem with outgoing Calls to exactly one number being disconnected after 30 seconds when using a fritzbox as end device behind asterisk. Snoms (behind asterisk) are working, dialing every other number with the fritzbox works fine too. |
| 17:03.18 | Dpunkt | I can sniff traffic between asterisk an my provider (deutsche telekom) and between asterisk and the phones, but i do not have any idea where to start |
| 17:04.24 | Dpunkt | The call is dropped by the telekom with a "bye" |
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| 17:10.29 | benzrf | hello!! |
| 17:12.22 | benzrf | i get a whole lot of warnings and errors when i start asterisk, on a fresh install - is that normal? |
| 17:12.28 | benzrf | and should i be running it as root or not? |
| 17:13.03 | newtonr | benzrf, yes but it depends on what they are and no you shouldn't be running as root. |
| 17:13.25 | benzrf | kk |
| 17:13.45 | benzrf | [i am a complete and total newb, i know very very close to nothing about asterisk] |
| 17:13.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 17:13.57 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 17:14.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ VERY FINE MANUALS |
| 17:14.02 | benzrf | gonna |
| 17:14.13 | benzrf | just checking that the errors werent gonna trip me up before i started :) |
| 17:15.23 | newtonr | benzrf, the book is great. There is also some documentation on getting started on the official wiki: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Getting+Started |
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| 17:15.59 | newtonr | benzrf, and at some point make sure you look into security https://github.com/asterisk/asterisk/blob/master/README-SERIOUSLY.bestpractices.txt |
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| 17:20.47 | benzrf | are these errors normal ? https://gist.github.com/1697b0859cf1024cf797 |
| 17:20.57 | benzrf | "missing .so" looks worrying to me |
| 17:21.08 | benzrf | (and i asked about root because of the permissions complaints) |
| 17:22.00 | robmal | You don't need root, but asterisk should have a dedicated user, with permissions to all the files mentioned in the error log. |
| 17:22.13 | benzrf | oooooh right |
| 17:22.16 | benzrf | facepalms |
| 17:22.17 | robmal | Also, disable all the modules you're not using. |
| 17:23.08 | benzrf | i checked modules.conf and nothing seems to be on |
| 17:24.50 | benzrf | oh... autoload is on |
| 17:24.58 | benzrf | does that automatically pull in available mods |
| 17:25.27 | robmal | Did you read any howto on asterisk install or are you planning to ask your way to success? |
| 17:25.35 | carrar | heh |
| 17:25.36 | benzrf | >.> |
| 17:25.39 | carrar | thats the best way!! |
| 17:25.45 | benzrf | honestly, thats usually what i end up doing |
| 17:25.52 | benzrf | i'll. i'll go look at the guid |
| 17:25.54 | robmal | Good luck :-) |
| 17:25.55 | benzrf | *guide |
| 17:26.01 | benzrf | i just wanted to eliminate the errors before continuing ;-; |
| 17:26.27 | robmal | They appeared because you continued before knowing what you were doing :-) |
| 17:26.38 | benzrf | >:< |
| 17:27.11 | benzrf | kk, 99% of messages gone :> |
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| 17:27.31 | benzrf | will check guide now |
| 17:28.14 | robmal | Be sure to read about voip security before you configure any peers, because that lesson may cost you a lot. |
| 17:29.27 | benzrf | is the most important lesson from that link "BE AWARE THAT INJECTION ISNT AUTOMATICALLY DEFENDED AGAINST"? |
| 17:32.41 | benzrf | do i need to install dahdi separately from * |
| 17:32.46 | benzrf | (using freebsd) |
| 17:37.16 | Dpunkt | when transferring from the snom to the fritzbox 30 seconds later the call is dropped |
| 17:37.37 | benzrf | are |
| 17:37.40 | benzrf | are those real words? |
| 17:38.49 | cusco | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a7e76c6e/ - astobj2.c: bad magic number for object 0x27c88f8. Object is likely destroyed. |
| 17:39.21 | cusco | after a channel.c: PBX may not have been terminated properly on 'SIP/608-000032ab' |
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| 17:41.10 | benzrf | do i need the dahdi kmod and if so do i get plain or 26 |
| 17:42.30 | benzrf | installs 26 |
| 17:43.18 | benzrf | should i start the dahdi service? |
| 17:45.13 | benzrf | someone please help :\ |
| 17:46.40 | robmal | Do you have a paypal account? |
| 17:47.15 | benzrf | what's this about >_> |
| 17:47.30 | robmal | I'll gladly help, but not for free :-) |
| 17:47.43 | benzrf | can you just tell me if i need the dahdi service running :\ |
| 17:47.54 | robmal | Yes i can. |
| 17:48.15 | benzrf | please do |
| 17:48.37 | robmal | Depends. |
| 17:49.12 | benzrf | under what circumstances would i need it |
| 17:49.42 | robmal | It depends what are you planning to use your asterisk for :-) |
| 17:50.26 | benzrf | ah, nvm |
| 17:50.30 | benzrf | i figured out it out :| |
| 17:50.35 | benzrf | thanks anyway :> |
| 17:57.30 | benzrf | hmmmm... |
| 17:57.49 | benzrf | robmal: the hello world tutorial is for running asterisk as a pbx, right? |
| 17:58.54 | robmal | No, it learns you how to dress for funerals of distant relatives :-) |
| 17:59.13 | benzrf | robmal: great |
| 17:59.15 | robmal | ~book |
| 17:59.15 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 17:59.23 | robmal | Try this. |
| 18:00.13 | benzrf | robmal: let me clarify: for the moment, i'm running asterisk on a server in a LAN with a preexisting voip network (my school) |
| 18:00.24 | benzrf | for now i want to use it as essentially a programmable softphone |
| 18:00.50 | benzrf | er, *automated softphone |
| 18:00.57 | robmal | Ok, now we're getting somewhere. |
| 18:01.13 | benzrf | :X |
| 18:04.54 | benzrf | robmal: anyway, it appears that the tutorial is for setting up asterisk as a pbx, which is not what i am trying to do right now |
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| 18:05.19 | benzrf | is there something that illustrates how to configure it to connect to an existing pbx and operate as an endpoint that hello-worlds when you call it |
| 18:06.32 | [TK]D-Fender | benzrf: EVERYTHING is just an endpoint to * |
| 18:06.37 | [TK]D-Fender | benzrf: A call is a call is a call. |
| 18:06.57 | robmal | Yes, it also is a call ;-) |
| 18:07.00 | [TK]D-Fender | benzrf: What you do with it is up to you |
| 18:07.04 | [TK]D-Fender | robThat too. |
| 18:07.15 | robmal | benzrf: Make it a pbx, then just make it Answer() |
| 18:08.57 | carrar | something like: exten => s,1,Noop(HELLO WORLD) |
| 18:09.10 | carrar | done and done! |
| 18:09.12 | carrar | NEXT |
| 18:10.26 | carrar | or perhaps: exten => _!,1,Noop(HELLO WORLD) |
| 18:10.34 | carrar | heh |
| 18:12.02 | robmal | 1. Make it run |
| 18:12.06 | robmal | 2. Connect a peer |
| 18:12.14 | robmal | 3. Make it answer |
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| 18:47.24 | Dpunkt | seems to be a rtp problem |
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| 18:53.58 | Jymmm | Are there any FXS modules that communicate in a more generic sense? ISP, I2C, TTL, etc |
| 18:54.57 | Jymmm | ...something that could be connected to an arduino/rPi as example |
| 18:57.14 | Selutha | Hi all got a quick question on an old asterisk box: The old provider would accept any 7 digit number as local, the current PRIs are all long distance. To stop my users from dialing a 10 digit code all i need to do is replace "exten => _NXXXXXX,1,Macro(outgoing1,${DOD1}${PFX1}${EXTEN})" with exten => _NXXXXXX,1,Macro(outgoing1,${DOD1}${PFX1}352${EXTEN}) ? 352 is the local area code. Sorry if |
| 18:57.14 | Selutha | this is a simple question I just a fill in as our asterisk guy recently left. |
| 18:59.30 | benzrf | hmm |
| 18:59.50 | benzrf | so what i change is |
| 18:59.59 | benzrf | how * networks? |
| 19:00.10 | benzrf | augh nvm |
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| 19:07.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Selutha: We don't know what those variables hold, or what your macro does. Also you have not changed the PATTERN between those 2 lines anyway |
| 19:08.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Selutha: Dial() with call whatever you pass it. you are already concatenating vairbles together in the args you are passing that macro so yous hould know what it si you'll want to add/remove |
| 19:10.41 | Selutha | [TK]D-Fender Ah, i have been reading over the extensions.conf tring to define the PFX1 is but i think i am getting it. |
| 19:12.06 | Selutha | [TK]D-Fender: what is really picking my but is i see a ACPREFIX=352 but never see it called |
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| 19:17.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Selutha: taht could be defined as a CONSTANT. Those don't need to be "called" |
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| 19:31.00 | Selutha | [TK]D-Fender: Probally should have said "used" I just found it on another line. Thanks to that i think i have an example of what needs to be done. I will just test it tonight when none are on. Thank you for the help! |
| 19:31.42 | [TK]D-Fender | You're welcome |
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| 20:34.45 | PHunter | Question: When i do 'service asterisk start' on debian, I get 'Failed to start asterisk.service: Unit asterisk.service failed to load: No such file or directory.' |
| 20:34.48 | PHunter | Why is this? |
| 20:35.14 | PHunter | on Debian |
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| 20:36.02 | PHunter | Debian 8.0 |
| 20:38.44 | PHunter | same with systemctl start asterisk |
| 20:54.12 | PHunter | Nevermind.. |
| 20:54.18 | PHunter | Was apparently looking for the wrong thing. |
| 20:54.28 | PHunter | contrib/init.d might help. |
| 20:57.03 | benzrf | is it good practice to use autoload? |
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| 21:29.56 | benzrf | how do i figure out a module's dependencies :I |
| 21:33.24 | PHunter | It says it in make menuselect |
| 21:33.37 | PHunter | if you are compiling from source that is |
| 21:33.41 | PHunter | What module? |
| 21:33.58 | benzrf | er, i mean runtime module dependncies |
| 21:34.10 | robmal | Did you read the book? |
| 21:34.25 | benzrf | which one? i was following the hello world tutorial |
| 21:34.34 | benzrf | ~book |
| 21:34.34 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 21:34.56 | robmal | So? |
| 21:35.16 | benzrf | clicks on 'modules' |
| 21:37.20 | benzrf | i should use autoload? |
| 21:37.25 | benzrf | it seemed unclean |
| 21:37.58 | WIMPy | If you want to load everything by default. |
| 21:39.06 | benzrf | well, i don't. but it's suggested by the book |
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| 21:41.06 | WIMPy | 1) autoload=no and load what you want or 2) autoload=yes and noload what you don't want. |
| 21:42.26 | benzrf | i was trying to go with the former, but it looks like a module's dependencies arent automatically pulled in? |
| 21:53.17 | benzrf | WIMPy: tips? |
| 21:56.30 | WIMPy | I'm not even sure if there's a single answer. |
| 21:57.22 | robmal | The middle finger has a tip. |
| 21:57.32 | robmal | benzrf: Did you read the book? |
| 21:58.02 | WIMPy | doubts that would really help. |
| 21:58.06 | benzrf | robmal: it suggests using autoload |
| 21:58.10 | robmal | So? |
| 21:58.41 | robmal | Leave autoload on and configure everything properly. |
| 21:58.45 | benzrf | :\ |
| 21:58.48 | benzrf | kk |
| 21:58.59 | WIMPy | Who wants everything? |
| 21:59.13 | benzrf | not me |
| 21:59.13 | robmal | People with ambitions. |
| 21:59.41 | robmal | Also: Victoria Justice |
| 22:01.01 | benzrf | man |
| 22:01.07 | benzrf | there are a lot of modules here that i have no use for at all |
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| 22:01.28 | WIMPy | Don't build them in the 1st place. |
| 22:01.29 | robmal | That doesn't mean you can't load them. |
| 22:01.59 | WIMPy | Some will also just refuse to load if not configured (propperly). |
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| 22:04.17 | drab | hi, asterisk noob here. I'm having troubles understanding what's the recommended way to go about setting up an asterisk server for simple sip-to-sips comms across a large campus |
| 22:04.45 | drab | I've read about freebpx, incrediblepbx, asterisknow, pbx in a flash and a bunch more and feeling kinda lost |
| 22:04.52 | WIMPy | There is no siple way for anything. And for reading we have |
| 22:04.57 | WIMPy | ~primer |
| 22:04.57 | infobot | New to asterisk configuration? Check out this primer to get started. http://burner.com/asterisk-primer |
| 22:05.02 | WIMPy | ~book |
| 22:05.02 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 22:05.20 | drab | I tried freepbx and followed their getting started but their module to add a phone is commercial... |
| 22:05.38 | WIMPy | I think, FreePBX is the only GUI that's really maintained, but not supported in here. |
| 22:05.43 | drab | which seems to make the whole thing largely useless if you can't even setup a phone, but maybe I'm not understanding |
| 22:06.12 | drab | right, that's what asterisknow seems to ship too |
| 22:06.23 | WIMPy | No, you surely got somethign wrong there. But for FreePBX support, ask in #freepbx. |
| 22:06.30 | drab | ok |
| 22:06.32 | drab | thanks |
| 22:07.10 | benzrf | im just noload'ing everything that's erroring |
| 22:07.16 | benzrf | is that recommended practice :| |
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| 22:07.23 | WIMPy | Maybe phone provisioning is commercial, I don't know. But you can surely set up phones as is. |
| 22:07.59 | WIMPy | The best way is to read the descriptions and decide if you need/wat/might want/don't need them. |
| 22:08.57 | robmal | No, no, no. Just select all and ask here when an error comes up. |
| 22:09.37 | benzrf | robmal: i honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but i'm pretty sure you are |
| 22:10.02 | robmal | I'm trying to stay on the line :-) |
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| 22:19.07 | drab | is it hopeless to try asterisk without any of these frontends as a noob? I feel like I'm just getting confused by havign more stuff in the mix |
| 22:20.11 | WIMPy | Read the links the bot gave above and see for yourself if you think it's for you. |
| 22:20.28 | robmal | No it isn't. benzrf will help you out, he made it across make install. |
| 22:21.02 | WIMPy | There definitely is some learning curve involved, but it may be totally worth it. |
| 22:21.14 | drab | also debian seems to ship 1.8, but the wiki page on versions seems to suggest latest LTS is 13 |
| 22:21.21 | drab | so compiling from sources appears the way to go? |
| 22:21.22 | benzrf | actually i used pkg |
| 22:21.35 | benzrf | drab: probably |
| 22:21.55 | drab | the packages wiki page only shows yum/centos pkgs |
| 22:22.01 | drab | didn't see any for debian |
| 22:22.07 | WIMPy | jessie has 11.something. But if you build yourself, you can start to configure it before installing. |
| 22:23.06 | drab | is 11 worth given that 13 is out and LTS? changelog seems to suggest major changes between 11 and 13, while 13 and 12 seems somewhat similar |
| 22:24.28 | WIMPy | there is some 3rd party stuff that won't work with 13 (yet?). Otherwise 13 is the current LTS. |
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| 22:25.06 | drab | the other thing si about the book, the free one is for 1.8, so I wasn't sure if it was even worth the time reading |
| 22:25.10 | drab | if things have changed a lot |
| 22:25.29 | drab | I guess I can buy the 4th edition, just trying to figure out if I can still use the 3rd or not in the meantime |
| 22:25.40 | WIMPy | All versions are available for free. |
| 22:25.59 | WIMPy | Just not as pdf. |
| 22:26.15 | drab | oh I didn't realize you could read the 4th one on safari online, sorry |
| 22:26.18 | drab | there now, thank you |
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