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| 02:57.53 | laptopdude90 | Hello everyone! |
| 03:00.53 | laptopdude90 | anybody on? I have a few questions |
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| 03:28.13 | ChannelZ | ask |
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| 04:13.55 | ChannelZ | or don't |
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| 04:26.12 | prelude2004c | hello everyone good evening |
| 04:26.16 | wyoung | laptopdude90: I am on! now what? |
| 04:26.29 | wyoung | Good day prelude2004c! |
| 04:26.30 | prelude2004c | anyone know the best codec to use over cellular networks ?I tried g729 but its cutting out all the time :( |
| 04:26.58 | prelude2004c | i tried an apk called " aishuo " who uses some codec by horizon and its pretty good... at 2kbs but i wanted to build my own thing |
| 04:27.09 | wyoung | prelude2004c: Depends on your carrier, I know a few carriers that lower the priority and speed of VoIP traffic over their data network |
| 04:27.10 | prelude2004c | looking for someone to point me in the right direction so i can find my way |
| 04:27.42 | wyoung | prelude2004c: the general way to get around that is setup a VPN, of course that adds a bit of lag |
| 04:28.49 | prelude2004c | i am trying to get around bw entirely :P |
| 04:29.15 | prelude2004c | so good quality, low bw .. i don't like things cutting out |
| 04:29.46 | wyoung | prelude2004c: just use the mobile network :) |
| 04:30.11 | prelude2004c | for talk ? nope. working on getting just data.. and want to use voip over it |
| 04:30.56 | wyoung | prelude2004c: ok although not ideal as most carriers have lower prioritising for data |
| 04:31.36 | prelude2004c | ya but i download pretty damn fast on LTE+ |
| 04:31.45 | prelude2004c | i mean.. i do speed test and getting like 50Mbit/s |
| 04:31.53 | prelude2004c | so a few kbs for audio should be a breaze |
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| 06:44.15 | cesurasean | hello |
| 06:44.45 | cesurasean | so, i bought a case of paper from walmart delivered to my door. can i have link again to print out asterisk 4 book? |
| 06:44.58 | cesurasean | lol |
| 06:45.19 | cesurasean | gonna see if the old lexmark is up to the task of course, and spool it into google cloud print. |
| 06:53.45 | cesurasean | or can someone help me with a problem on my box? |
| 07:02.34 | ChannelZ | ~book |
| 07:02.34 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
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| 07:46.54 | bitjab | hi, does anybody know, if asterisk works with opus and vp8 ? and/or are there still license-issues using this codecs ? |
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| 12:50.39 | mjamilfarooq | Hi there |
| 12:51.08 | mjamilfarooq | anyone knows about video IVR for asterisk and what app to use for it |
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| 14:35.50 | Swampy | Got a newbie permissions question... all of my extensions are being rejected because they can't be found in my phones context... seems like Asterisk can't read extensions.conf... I've checked the permissions of all of /etc/asterisk and the all match... Where else should i look? |
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| 14:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | "core show settings" <- make sure you're actuall in the right etc folder for your install |
| 14:41.02 | [TK]D-Fender | And then if that and rthe file checks out, show us |
| 14:41.17 | [TK]D-Fender | The dialplan itself and the call attempt |
| 14:41.19 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 14:41.26 | infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 14:41.29 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
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| 14:57.40 | Swampy | http://pastebin.ca/3250974 |
| 15:01.47 | igcewieling1 | Swampy: verify the peer uses the right context. Try this: asterisk -rx "sip show users" | grep 6564 |
| 15:02.22 | igcewieling1 | if that does not show unrestrictedInternational then you are not using the config files you think you are using. |
| 15:02.56 | [TK]D-Fender | "dialplan show" <- verify that it is also actually being loaded |
| 15:03.10 | [TK]D-Fender | And then make sure you actuall loaded the config since last changing it. |
| 15:08.57 | Swampy | [TK]D-Fender |
| 15:08.57 | Swampy | 6564 ubuntu unrestrictedInt No No |
| 15:09.32 | [TK]D-Fender | PB the dialplan dump |
| 15:09.32 | [TK]D-Fender | prove it's actually loaded |
| 15:11.56 | Swampy | Yea... seems like nothing from extensions.conf is loading: http://pastebin.ca/3250984 |
| 15:12.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Go prove the folder used, the condition, etc |
| 15:14.34 | Swampy | core show settings result = http://pastebin.ca/3250986 |
| 15:16.28 | [TK]D-Fender | waits for the rest |
| 15:16.55 | Swampy | Is that what you were asking for [TK]D-Fender? |
| 15:17.13 | [TK]D-Fender | [10:12][TK]D-FenderGo prove the folder used, the condition, etc |
| 15:17.27 | [TK]D-Fender | THE FILE |
| 15:17.34 | [TK]D-Fender | cat /etc/asterisk |
| 15:17.35 | file | yesssss? |
| 15:17.41 | [TK]D-Fender | ls -la /etc/asterisk |
| 15:17.42 | [TK]D-Fender | rather |
| 15:17.44 | [TK]D-Fender | gah |
| 15:19.39 | Swampy | http://pastebin.ca/3251007 |
| 15:21.47 | marlinc | How to handle calls coming in from a PJSIP registration in such a way that the phone number in the 'To' header is seen as extension in the connect? |
| 15:21.49 | marlinc | Context* |
| 15:21.54 | marlinc | Currently we're getting 's' |
| 15:22.48 | igcewieling1 | Swampy: "dialplan reload" look for error messages. |
| 15:23.44 | Swampy | The only error is : ERROR[3202]: ari/config.c:296 process_config: No configured users for ARI |
| 15:25.11 | Swampy | My understanding is that is normal even when you don't have ARI enabled. |
| 15:26.24 | Swampy | Full reload dump = http://pastebin.ca/3251029 |
| 15:32.38 | [TK]D-Fender | ROOTROOT? |
| 15:32.40 | [TK]D-Fender | bad... |
| 15:33.27 | Swampy | I haven't even got to the point of setting up a seperate user or group... It will not even work out of the box as root |
| 15:35.02 | Swampy | Which beggs the question... why can't asterisk running as root even read the contents of extensions.conf |
| 15:36.33 | igcewieling1 | Swampy: perhaps extensions.conf is invaid or unparsable |
| 15:37.13 | Swampy | Hmmm... let me wash it through dos2unix to see if there are any bad characters |
| 15:37.18 | igcewieling1 | Swampy: now try "dialplan reload" |
| 15:38.18 | igcewieling1 | Swampy: make sure you didn't do something stupid like noload'ing modules in /etc/asterisk/modules.conf |
| 15:40.44 | igcewieling1 | maybe you don't have a [general] or [global] sections of extensions.cofn |
| 15:40.56 | igcewieling1 | of course doing a full paste of extensions.conf would show that to us. |
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| 15:41.27 | igcewieling1 | [general] and [globals] |
| 15:42.34 | Swampy | Hmm... one of the include files does not exist... perhaps it's corrupt |
| 15:43.05 | WIMPy | 'core set verbose 9'; 'core set debug 1'; 'dialplan reload' That should tell you what's going on. |
| 15:45.25 | Swampy | THANK YOU ALL ... it was a corrupt include file! not extensions.conf itself |
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| 16:31.05 | jwr__ | I'm trying to set up a click-to-call browser extension, which uses this PHP: https://github.com/Jolt1/Jolt-Select-Dial-PBX/blob/master/call.php |
| 16:32.09 | jwr__ | i have created the asterisk manager user. When I attempt to use click-to-call, I get the error: "purely numerical hostname, and not a peer -- rejecting!" Does anybody know PHP and AMI well enough to tell me what this script is doing wrong? |
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| 16:34.45 | [TK]D-Fender | that isn't anything to do with AMI |
| 16:34.58 | [TK]D-Fender | peer is a DEVICE CONCEPT |
| 16:35.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ans has to do with what is being dialed |
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| 17:23.52 | jwr__ | [TK]D-Fender: I noticed that this PHP script uses "$strChannel = "SIP/".$ext;" and the error message is coming from chan_sip. The extension I'm using is handled by pjsip. is that why I might get the "not a peer" error, because this extension isn't actually a peer? |
| 17:24.13 | jwr__ | like if I do "sip show peers", my extension isn't there. If I do "pjsip show endpoints", it's there. |
| 17:24.16 | [TK]D-Fender | because it isn't SIP? |
| 17:24.18 | [TK]D-Fender | because it isn't SIP/ |
| 17:25.38 | jwr__ | yep, that was it. changing to PJSIP/ worked. |
| 17:25.40 | jwr__ | thanks! |
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| 18:03.34 | bkruse | Hello my Asterisk friends. Has anyone ever seen the kernel log "perf interrupt took too long"â¦. and immediately followed by an Asterisk crash? |
| 18:08.00 | bkruse | show_signal_msg callbacks suppressed then a crash, rather. It seems like it spits that out anytime |
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| 18:09.14 | Chainsaw | bkruse: "perf interrupt took too long" is a normal part of kernel operation and likely unrelated. |
| 18:10.15 | bkruse | Chainsaw: Gotcha, I see that now (shows up a few times). The show-signal_msg 24 callback suppressed is the same second as the asterisk segfault |
| 18:10.28 | Chainsaw | I am having trouble answering as the question appears to have changed significantly. |
| 18:11.50 | drab | hi, I have a bunch of the same phones all configured on an asterisk11 instance and most of them show up in sip show peers as XXXX/XXXX internal_ip ... 5060 and seem to be counted as monitored in the summary. A few however don't and show up as "(Unspecified)" in the ip column, but work otherwise just fine like the others |
| 18:12.21 | drab | s/as/and have/ |
| 18:12.43 | [TK]D-Fender | unspecified = not registered |
| 18:12.57 | [TK]D-Fender | and no host to contact |
| 18:13.08 | lvlinux | so they won't be able to receive calls... |
| 18:13.13 | Chainsaw | bkruse: That is the kernel logger throwing events away because they happen too frequently. |
| 18:14.01 | drab | so how come they work? I can call hello world just fine from them and call them from other internal phones |
| 18:14.06 | bkruse | Chainsaw: That sucks, it may have been relevant to the Asterisk crashâ¦â¦ It seems this is common for an asterisk segfault and really of no value to debugging |
| 18:14.31 | drab | so yeah, I had the suspicion they weren't registered, but that seem to go against the fact that they work |
| 18:14.33 | Chainsaw | drab: That suggests you haven't configured a "qualify" statement for that peer, leading to it remaining unmonitored. |
| 18:16.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Chainsaw: No, that is the HOST colum. |
| 18:16.22 | Chainsaw | [TK]D-Fender: I stand corrected. |
| 18:16.25 | [TK]D-Fender | for qualify issues that's another column |
| 18:16.31 | [TK]D-Fender | STATUS |
| 18:16.50 | Chainsaw | nods |
| 18:16.58 | [TK]D-Fender | We'd need to know if it is being monitored at all or not before thinking the host means anything in relation to that |
| 18:17.13 | [TK]D-Fender | So you COULD be right ... we just don't have any prrof yet :) |
| 18:17.38 | lvlinux | [TK]D-Fender: so how is he able to send calls to those phones if * doesn't know the IP??? |
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| 18:17.39 | [TK]D-Fender | And as always... I trust NOTHING :p |
| 18:18.05 | [TK]D-Fender | lvlinux: He never said he did |
| 18:18.18 | [TK]D-Fender | drabso yeah, I had the suspicion they weren't registered, but that seem to go against the fact that they work |
| 18:18.22 | [TK]D-Fender | "They work" is VAGUE |
| 18:18.28 | lvlinux | yes he did |
| 18:18.31 | [TK]D-Fender | That isn't saying "Oh I AM sending calls TO the device |
| 18:18.56 | [TK]D-Fender | That could be a loose crap statement that only encompassed "they can PLACE calls" |
| 18:19.06 | lvlinux | drab said "I can call hello world just fine from them and call them from other internal phones" |
| 18:19.20 | [TK]D-Fender | drab: SHOW US :) |
| 18:19.39 | [TK]D-Fender | also expects situations may be changing between statements |
| 18:19.47 | lvlinux | that's highly possible |
| 18:19.49 | [TK]D-Fender | but no host = no call |
| 18:19.54 | [TK]D-Fender | that is just not happening. |
| 18:20.04 | [TK]D-Fender | * can't call something with no contact IP/host |
| 18:20.13 | [TK]D-Fender | So clearly the bits don't add up |
| 18:20.25 | [TK]D-Fender | goes to pace around the building for 5 mins |
| 18:20.26 | drab | indeed they don't |
| 18:20.34 | drab | just tftp'ed again to check ip and config |
| 18:20.35 | drab | and mac |
| 18:20.40 | drab | pastinbin' |
| 18:21.36 | CFX_ | So today I'm working on setting up a replacement server for the ones we have now and I installed both iSymphony and asternic, and they were both working flawlessly... however, out of nowhere asterisk has started declining calls -- can someone take a look at this? http://pastebin.com/d1rJLZHy |
| 18:31.15 | drab | [TK]D-Fender: ok so I partially stand corrected... I cannot call that extension, but that extension can definitely make calls: http://pastebin.ca/3251338 |
| 18:31.30 | drab | it can call 6999, which is correctly registered from sip show peers at the top of the paste |
| 18:32.15 | drab | and it can call hello world. but 6999 cannot call 4999, which shows with no ip on sip show peers (it's ip is 6.19 as shown in the paste when it initiates the call tho) |
| 18:32.46 | igcewieling1 | what shows up for the IP in sip show peers? |
| 18:32.58 | drab | and it's reading the tftp file for provisioning because I just completely reset its config so it must be getting the right stuff and the pwd matches |
| 18:33.15 | drab | igcewieling1: it says (Unspecified) |
| 18:33.27 | igcewieling1 | drab: your phone is not registering to Asterisk |
| 18:34.20 | drab | ok. how come an unregistered phone can make calls tho? I guess I'm then not understand what "registering" means |
| 18:35.28 | [TK]D-Fender | indeed |
| 18:35.31 | [TK]D-Fender | ~sipregister |
| 18:35.32 | infobot | [~sipregister] SIP registration is to tell your provider what IP address & EXTEN to send INCOMING calls to. Some ITSPs let you use a fixed address or host rather than registering. Registration is NOT normally needed to PLACE calls, as those are typically auth'ed independently. Others accept unauth'ed calls once you are registered (saves on negotiation BW). |
| 18:35.34 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 18:35.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Typicaly gateway to this happening is setting them as "type=friend" |
| 18:36.41 | [TK]D-Fender | And you should start by also confirming if youare even getting registration requests |
| 18:37.14 | drab | yeah, tcpdump'ing and reboot the phone now |
| 18:37.43 | drab | it just sort of puzzles me since all the phones are the same and their config gen'ed with ascript, so everything looks alike |
| 18:37.48 | drab | can't think of where the difference is |
| 18:37.54 | drab | same subnet etc too |
| 18:38.07 | igcewieling1 | same username and password? |
| 18:38.11 | drab | so why most register and a handful doesn't I don't get |
| 18:38.24 | drab | igcewieling1: yeah, sip.conf and the tftp file were gen'ed by same script |
| 18:38.30 | drab | so the pwd was writtent to both at once |
| 18:38.34 | drab | not added manually |
| 18:39.21 | igcewieling1 | drab: if tcpdump does not show the phone registering then the issue is with the phone, not Asterisk |
| 18:39.30 | drab | fair enough, looking at that right now |
| 18:42.35 | drab | weird, yeah, it doesn't look like it's tried... I saw the tftp traffic, then some arp requests and nothing else |
| 18:42.39 | drab | no sip traffic |
| 18:42.51 | drab | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.15 | lvlinux | drab: out of curiosity, what type of phones are these? |
| 18:49.16 | CFX_ | Any idea why my phones would randomly start declining calls? |
| 18:51.37 | drab | lvlinux: old lg-nortel 6804N phones, discontinued in 2007... (I'm volunteering for a charity, I think they were donated years ago and never used) |
| 18:53.34 | lvlinux | drab: ah ok, I have some of the 6812's. They aren't bad phones. |
| 18:58.23 | drab | lvlinux: they seem alright for what they need, I only wish they had a little more in terms of logs or something to tell what's going on. I have no idea why this bunch isn't registering |
| 18:58.36 | drab | I'd expect if the phone was "broken" to be in a state to not even be able to make calls |
| 18:58.55 | drab | it's bizarre than they would have a bug only preventing it from registering |
| 18:59.04 | drab | firmware is also the same as on the others |
| 18:59.37 | igcewieling1 | it is unlikely |
| 18:59.42 | igcewieling1 | so you are back to configs. |
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| 19:02.46 | drab | igcewieling1: I guess I can paste the configs, but there's basically a global one all phones download and a specific one to set up the line, which has the password only |
| 19:03.02 | drab | so if the config was wrong then at most I'd expect a failed attempt to registetr |
| 19:03.07 | drab | but anyway, I get you, will keep poking |
| 19:05.10 | lvlinux | drab: see if you can log into the web interface on one of the phones that isn't registering and set it up manually. (You'll have to disable the tftp config file for that phone.) If it works, then try wiping all settings on the phone out and starting with the config file then. |
| 19:06.00 | lvlinux | It's been a while since I messed with those, but if I remember correctly I had trouble with the tftp config. Seems like if there was pre-existing settings on the phone it could bugger it up. But like I said it's been a while since working with those... |
| 19:07.08 | drab | lvlinux: yeah I tried that too,the thing is, the web interface doesn't have a password field for whatever reason, no place to configure the line1 |
| 19:07.13 | drab | and yes, I've seen that problem actually |
| 19:07.21 | lvlinux | hmmm |
| 19:07.26 | drab | but I solved it on all phones but doing a reset to factory default from the web interface |
| 19:07.31 | drab | they would otherwise ignore tftp settings |
| 19:07.42 | drab | and I did that for this phone too |
| 19:08.21 | lvlinux | Maybe update the firmware on the phone? (Even with the same version if it will let you.) |
| 19:08.34 | lvlinux | If it doesn't show line1 config that's very odd. |
| 19:09.41 | drab | it doesn't on any of the phones I have tho, not the ones that work and not even the few with larger models we have (6830) |
| 19:09.48 | drab | also there's no newer firmware I cuold find |
| 19:10.11 | igcewieling1 | drab: unless you are using polycom phones pasting their configs won't be helpfuil. |
| 19:18.38 | robmal | drab: You've got qualify=no set in sip.conf |
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| 20:18.56 | laptopdude90 | Hey, anyone on? |
| 20:19.26 | [TK]D-Fender | possibly |
| 20:19.37 | *** join/#asterisk millsu2 (~millsu2@69-195-66-124.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 20:19.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Users list tells me 204 .... but it could be lying |
| 20:20.20 | lvlinux | Another question successfully answered! Yay! |
| 20:21.12 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: seriously, always just ask, if someone is there and knows the answer they can answer. If not, many of us check back through and your question may be answered a few hours in the future. |
| 20:21.33 | laptopdude90 | Okay, thanks |
| 20:21.38 | lvlinux | :-) |
| 20:21.58 | laptopdude90 | Incoming questions in no particular order |
| 20:22.13 | laptopdude90 | -Do IP phones plug into my existing network, or do they need a dedicated network? |
| 20:22.18 | CFX_ | [TK]D-Fender: is there no saving this ? |
| 20:22.27 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: either one |
| 20:22.45 | laptopdude90 | -Is there any advantage to using a system like Asterisk in a home enviroment? |
| 20:22.57 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: depends on what you want to do. |
| 20:23.14 | [TK]D-Fender | CFX_: Saving what? |
| 20:23.20 | laptopdude90 | -Is there a cheaper way to get trunks put in than via my ISP? Like, is there an online type thing I can do? How much can I expect to pay? |
| 20:23.35 | millsu2 | is it possible to run a macro on a callers channel when a they join a queue rather than doing it on the queue members channel when they answer? |
| 20:24.00 | [TK]D-Fender | laptopdude90: Has nothing to do with your ISP |
| 20:24.03 | [TK]D-Fender | ISP = internet |
| 20:24.04 | laptopdude90 | -Instead of having a dedicated receptionist phone, can I have all the phones ring instead? |
| 20:24.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Who you use for voice is up to you |
| 20:24.09 | laptopdude90 | Yeah, I know |
| 20:24.09 | [TK]D-Fender | that is ... |
| 20:24.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsp |
| 20:24.11 | infobot | [~itsp] An ITSP is an Internet Telephony Service Provider (or VoIP telephone company). They allow you to either SEND calls to the PSTN (this is called termination), RECEIVE calls from the PSTN (called origination), or both. Some offer fixed rates, others $/min. Enter ~itsplist-us (USA) or ~itsplist-ca (Canada) for a listing of popular ITSPs. |
| 20:24.13 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 20:24.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Maybe your ISP OFFERS ITSP services... |
| 20:24.30 | laptopdude90 | But in most areas ISP and telephone provider are basically interchangeable |
| 20:24.38 | laptopdude90 | I understand it's not like that everywhere |
| 20:24.41 | [TK]D-Fender | and its up to your contract to see if you have to pay for their service as part of your internet bundle or not |
| 20:24.45 | laptopdude90 | and I understand what an ISP is |
| 20:25.01 | robmal | laptopdude90: You should number the questions next time. 1) You should have a dedicated vlan. 2) No 3) Yes 4) Yes |
| 20:25.26 | *** join/#asterisk pjensen00 (~per@ip-69-178-218-71.far.ideaone.net) |
| 20:25.41 | [TK]D-Fender | millsu2: Why not just call it BEFORE you hit the queue? |
| 20:26.02 | laptopdude90 | 5. Should I have a POTS system for 911 calls and whatnot, or is Asterisk considered fine for that |
| 20:26.15 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: some providers offer e911 service |
| 20:26.20 | lvlinux | others don't |
| 20:26.23 | laptopdude90 | B/c I know that Skype and other VOIP-phone providers say that you shouldn't use it for just 9/11 |
| 20:26.25 | laptopdude90 | 911* |
| 20:26.40 | pjensen00 | I've been running into a SIP REFER problem. https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-24376 This bug is "fixed" but only gives the Refer-To field up to the "?Replaces" portion in the channel variable SIPREFERTOHDR |
| 20:26.46 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: if you feel that your internet isn't 100% reliable and your phone is, then it may be a good idea to have both. |
| 20:26.52 | igcewieling1 | All decent carriers will support 911 services. |
| 20:26.55 | pjensen00 | I really need the entire field instead of the truncated one. :( Is there a way to get that to come through? |
| 20:26.57 | robmal | laptopdude90: If you are in some remote location and you don't have cell coverage / neighbours - always have backup. |
| 20:27.14 | CFX_ | [TK]D-Fender: my server is declining call. I pastebined the logs earlier and you said it was probably FUBAR'd -- However, I changed nothing. I'm trying to find the corresponding line with this error but I |
| 20:27.19 | CFX_ | I'm coming up short. |
| 20:27.21 | laptopdude90 | Well my internet is reliable so not a problem |
| 20:27.33 | laptopdude90 | Back to my question about getting phone trunks via internet |
| 20:27.35 | robmal | It always is. Until it isn't. |
| 20:27.40 | laptopdude90 | How much would that cost? |
| 20:27.44 | laptopdude90 | I have a cellphone too so.. |
| 20:27.49 | robmal | $0-9999999999999 |
| 20:27.54 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: are yo uin the US? |
| 20:28.04 | laptopdude90 | I'm in Canada |
| 20:28.14 | laptopdude90 | What would a lower vs higher price get me? |
| 20:28.25 | robmal | $0-9999999999999 |
| 20:28.38 | robmal | Nothing-everything |
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| 20:28.45 | laptopdude90 | that... isn't helpful. |
| 20:28.55 | robmal | For free you can sometimes have incoming calls. |
| 20:28.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends what service you pay for |
| 20:28.59 | [TK]D-Fender | p[lans are all different |
| 20:29.02 | lvlinux | typical costs for a service fit for residential use are around $5 or so per phone number (DID) and 1-2 cents per minute rate |
| 20:29.03 | [TK]D-Fender | some include X minutes |
| 20:29.12 | robmal | For a lots of $$$ you can have unlimited fixed and/or mobile. |
| 20:29.15 | [TK]D-Fender | some say "unlimited", but pretty much all have soft limits |
| 20:29.23 | robmal | True. |
| 20:29.24 | [TK]D-Fender | some are just per-minute |
| 20:29.25 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: but there are all different combinations and price plans |
| 20:29.37 | [TK]D-Fender | And taht varies COMPLETELY by provider and plan |
| 20:29.42 | [TK]D-Fender | go LOOK at what some offer |
| 20:29.51 | laptopdude90 | I don't even know what to type into google |
| 20:29.55 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsplist-ca |
| 20:29.55 | infobot | [itsplist-ca] Here are some popular Canadian ITSPs: http://www.les.net , http://www.babytel.ca , http://www.voip.ms, http://unlimitel.ca |
| 20:29.55 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: check out Callcentric, voip.ms, Flowroute, Vitelity |
| 20:29.57 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 20:30.03 | laptopdude90 | Like what does it need to be compatible with asterisk |
| 20:30.07 | [TK]D-Fender | ~itsplist-us |
| 20:30.07 | infobot | Here are some popular ITSPs (USA) starting with the more respected ones: http://www.broadvoice.com, http://www.jnctn.com, http://www.sipstation.com, http://vitelity.net, http://voip.ms and http://flowroute.com |
| 20:30.07 | laptopdude90 | Thanks |
| 20:30.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 20:30.29 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: Asterisk will work with any provider that supports SIP, which is 99.99999% of them. |
| 20:30.36 | laptopdude90 | Awesome |
| 20:30.39 | CFX_ | [TK]D-Fender: http://pastebin.com/y5JujqLT -- Do you know what's causing the error? Or where to look? |
| 20:30.42 | laptopdude90 | Sorry for my stupidity |
| 20:30.59 | robmal | ~itsplist-pl |
| 20:31.02 | robmal | </3 |
| 20:31.07 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: your not stupid just a new user. Go read the Asterisk book---it will answer tons of your questions. |
| 20:31.10 | lvlinux | ~book |
| 20:31.10 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 20:31.19 | [TK]D-Fender | CFX_: I told you to look at ASTDB. Where do we see you doing this? |
| 20:32.05 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: it's free online so no excuses. And check out the websites of the providers mentioned before. Look at their plans and you will get a feel for approximately how much you will be paying for what you want. |
| 20:32.19 | [TK]D-Fender | CFX_: And you should be asking in #freepbx . |
| 20:32.23 | [TK]D-Fender | ~freepbx |
| 20:32.23 | infobot | [~freepbx] FreePBX is unable to be supported here. It is made up of complex dialplans and scripts which can't be easily supported by people who aren't deeply involved. Try joining #freepbx and asking there |
| 20:32.23 | drab | igcewieling1: fwiw, it must have been teh phone, no clue what, because I simply took another phone and mv'ed the tftp file to the new phone's MAC and that registered right away |
| 20:32.33 | drab | so some sip, same tftp conf file, nothing changed |
| 20:32.47 | drab | simply swapped the phone and renamed the tftp file to the new mac address |
| 20:32.53 | laptopdude90 | Oh oh and what's that thing called that's like "Press 1 for this" "Press 2 for that" |
| 20:32.59 | lvlinux | drab: get a big hammer. |
| 20:33.02 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: IVR |
| 20:33.16 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you can do all kinds of cool IVRs with Asterisk easily. |
| 20:33.39 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: the book walks you through that. |
| 20:33.41 | laptopdude90 | This is awesome |
| 20:33.46 | drab | I still can't figrue out why it'd do that tho, there's a bunch of them and I'd like to not just throw them away |
| 20:33.51 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you bet it is! |
| 20:33.56 | drab | will see if I can re-flash them |
| 20:36.20 | laptopdude90 | I could save a bunch of money this way |
| 20:36.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Depending on your actual needs perhaps |
| 20:36.52 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: and waste a bunch of time too :-) |
| 20:37.08 | laptopdude90 | This looks like fun |
| 20:37.12 | laptopdude90 | Fun time isn't wasted time |
| 20:37.14 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: or save a bunch of time, depending on your needs. |
| 20:37.36 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: go for it. Check out the book. |
| 20:39.49 | laptopdude90 | All babyTEL plans include: The option to keep your existing number |
| 20:39.56 | laptopdude90 | So that's a 100% garuntee? |
| 20:40.06 | laptopdude90 | There's no chance my phone number is super obscure or something? |
| 20:40.42 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: ehh, with porting phone numbers, there are no 100% guarantees. Maybe 99.9% but not 100. |
| 20:41.06 | [TK]D-Fender | and LNP is already pretty much guaranteed in Canada |
| 20:41.09 | laptopdude90 | What would I have to check? |
| 20:41.17 | laptopdude90 | If the area code matches am I good? |
| 20:41.22 | igcewieling1 | laptopdude90: you won't know until you try to port |
| 20:41.28 | laptopdude90 | kk |
| 20:41.36 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: to port your number out, your carrier has to agree to it, which all reputable ones do. |
| 20:42.10 | laptopdude90 | so if they're fine with it I'm good? |
| 20:42.16 | igcewieling1 | You MUST NOT disconnect the numebr with the old carrier until the port is complete. If you disconnect it before the port you might *never* get the number back. |
| 20:42.23 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: but starting out I would strongly recommend that you keep your current setup as it is, and get a second line with VoIP. Then when you are comfortable with everything, port your number over if you want to. |
| 20:42.35 | laptopdude90 | Got it |
| 20:42.39 | lvlinux | did I say strongly? I meant STRONGLY. :-) |
| 20:42.52 | igcewieling1 | lvlinux: reputable carrers will deny a port if you still owe them money |
| 20:43.25 | lvlinux | keyword there is "reputable" and we don't know what carrier he has (nor do I know anything about Canadian carriers). |
| 20:43.38 | laptopdude90 | It's a huge one |
| 20:43.42 | laptopdude90 | All of Canada they provide |
| 20:43.55 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: your probably fine then as long as you've kept up your bill. |
| 20:44.36 | igcewieling1 | I work for a reputable carrier 8-) no service in .CA though. |
| 20:44.43 | laptopdude90 | Am I going to have to teach my family how to use IP phones? Are they much different? |
| 20:44.48 | laptopdude90 | Will I have to teach them how to transfer? |
| 20:45.10 | [TK]D-Fender | They'll have to know SOMEHOW |
| 20:45.21 | [TK]D-Fender | if you don't teach them... the maybe they';ll just read the manuals themselves? |
| 20:45.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Knoledge has to come from somewhere |
| 20:46.00 | laptopdude90 | So there's no way to turn transffering off? |
| 20:46.01 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: if properly setup, they will be pick up receiver and dial. Phone rings, pick up receiver and say hello. |
| 20:46.26 | laptopdude90 | Actually transferring might be good |
| 20:46.41 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you can turn transferring off, you can turn it on, you can make it only transfer to Chucky Cheese no matter what they dial, you can do whatever you want lol. |
| 20:46.51 | laptopdude90 | Wow it's the future |
| 20:46.54 | *** join/#asterisk hecatae (~hecatae@host-89-240-2-225.static.as13285.net) |
| 20:47.18 | igcewieling1 | laptopdude90: Asterisk is not a PBX. Asterisk is a TOOLKIT which provides the tools to build your own PBX |
| 20:47.40 | laptopdude90 | Is that easy? |
| 20:47.42 | laptopdude90 | It sounds hard |
| 20:47.51 | robmal | igcewieling1: Your going [TK]D-Fenderish ;-) |
| 20:48.13 | [TK]D-Fender | [15:44]laptopdude90Am I going to have to teach my family how to use IP phones? Are they much different? <- depends on what phones you use, if actual "IP phones" at all |
| 20:48.15 | *** join/#asterisk jasonwert (~jasonwert@75-134-81-98.static.aldl.mi.charter.com) |
| 20:48.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Why kind of devices you use, and how they aowrk is between you and your choices |
| 20:48.41 | [TK]D-Fender | What* |
| 20:48.56 | pjensen00 | Is there a reason DumpChan doesn't give any output in Local channels? http://pastebin.com/xuJDH49g |
| 20:49.16 | igcewieling1 | robmal: back in the good old days of me helping people they said [TK]D-Fender was becoming igcewielingish 8-| |
| 20:49.16 | [TK]D-Fender | pjWhy are you pasing a parm to it? |
| 20:49.23 | [TK]D-Fender | pjensen00: What about VERBSOE level? |
| 20:49.29 | pjensen00 | verbose level 10 |
| 20:49.39 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: Read the book. You'll see how hard it is and if it's something you want to tackle. If you are a techie you'll probably love it. If you want to do very fancy stuff you may pull your hair out at times but simple phone stuff is relatively easy with * |
| 20:49.55 | pjensen00 | Same command will give output when in a SIP channel |
| 20:49.58 | laptopdude90 | http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-8-Cisco-7940-IP-VoIP-Business-LCD-Phones-CP-7940G-/272028874218?hash=item3f562f35ea:g:LkYAAOSwAYtWL7bh |
| 20:50.05 | laptopdude90 | Are those "real IP phones"? |
| 20:50.05 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: NO |
| 20:50.20 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: yes they are real IP phones but those are harder to configure that yo uwant to start out with |
| 20:50.30 | igcewieling1 | pjensen00: Asterisk verbosity and debug settings are global. They apply to the CLI and all log files. |
| 20:50.32 | laptopdude90 | Then what would you recommend? |
| 20:50.34 | robmal | igcewieling1: Oh noes! |
| 20:50.37 | laptopdude90 | It just those ones are so cheap |
| 20:50.54 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: Yealink, Snom, Polycom |
| 20:50.56 | *** join/#asterisk Encrypt (~Chuck@cpc72901-newt33-2-0-cust203.19-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 20:51.09 | igcewieling1 | robmal: eventually I got fed up with people wanting to be spoonfed information |
| 20:51.15 | [TK]D-Fender | laptopdude90: They are usable.. but a pain to start with |
| 20:51.23 | pjensen00 | Hrm. I wonder if it's angry. |
| 20:51.53 | laptopdude90 | What about these? |
| 20:51.54 | laptopdude90 | http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-13-Polycom-CX600-VOIP-IP-Phones-2201-15942-001-LCD-Display-w-headsets-/201454962690?hash=item2ee7a6c802:g:yRsAAOSw9r1WAsdK |
| 20:52.08 | igcewieling1 | laptopdude90: that phone is VERY expensive once you include all the time you waste because so few people use those. |
| 20:52.09 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: I started with those Cisco phones but like TK says they are a pain to get going. They work fine after that though. |
| 20:52.15 | [TK]D-Fender | pjensen00: Also since you are starting from a "device" you have no standard vars setup by default, etc. no answer statuse, etc |
| 20:52.47 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: no those are for MS lync junk. You want SIP compatible phones. |
| 20:52.49 | pjensen00 | D-Fender: I removed the 100 and it worked. Weird that it worked on SIP channels with the 100 as a variables. |
| 20:53.04 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: Look for a Snom 320 or 360 |
| 20:53.22 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: or a Yealink |
| 20:53.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Snom = MEH |
| 20:53.33 | Encrypt | Hi o/ |
| 20:53.45 | Encrypt | Does anyone here send sms with asterisk and chan_dongle? |
| 20:53.52 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: or Polycom 300/330/335/450/550 |
| 20:53.54 | igcewieling1 | I like Polycom phones. If you are cheap, then SIPura (or whatever they are called today) |
| 20:54.03 | laptopdude90 | Any old yealink? |
| 20:54.07 | [TK]D-Fender | [15:51]laptopdude90http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-13-Polycom-CX600-VOIP-IP-Phones-2201-15942-001-LCD-Display-w-headsets-/201454962690?hash=item2ee7a6c802:g:yRsAAOSw9r1WAsdK <- do NOT touch these |
| 20:54.36 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: I'm not familiar w all Yealinks but just about all should be good as far as I know. |
| 20:54.48 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: You will find the most help/support if you get a polycom though. |
| 20:54.51 | igcewieling1 | What is a Polycom CX600 |
| 20:54.53 | rrittgarn | personally i'm a fan of http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lot-of-4-Aastra-6731i-Telephones-USED-/252157201180?hash=item3ab5bd8b1c:g:CtgAAOSw~bFWOkKN |
| 20:55.05 | lvlinux | igcewieling1: MS lync junk phone garbage |
| 20:55.16 | igcewieling1 | lvlinux: ah, of course. |
| 20:55.24 | [TK]D-Fender | yup |
| 20:55.31 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: yes the Aastra are good too, forgot about those. |
| 20:55.49 | [TK]D-Fender | laptopdude90: What are your actual NEEDS? |
| 20:56.20 | laptopdude90 | I just want to replace my existing home phone system with an asterisk based system |
| 20:56.22 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you have lots of choices. DON'T buy a lot of 20 and put them everywhere in your house. Find a few diff brands (ones we mentioned) cheap single phones and see what you like best. |
| 20:56.26 | laptopdude90 | Primarily to save money |
| 20:56.39 | [TK]D-Fender | laptopdude90: What "system" are you using now? |
| 20:56.40 | laptopdude90 | But also for flexibility |
| 20:56.43 | laptopdude90 | POTS |
| 20:56.51 | [TK]D-Fender | that isn't a "system". |
| 20:56.56 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you can use analog phones w Asterisk too with an ATA. |
| 20:56.58 | [TK]D-Fender | So far that sounds like "just a dumb line" |
| 20:57.00 | laptopdude90 | Well I'm not sure what to tell you |
| 20:57.06 | laptopdude90 | Yes that's what it is I guess |
| 20:57.12 | [TK]D-Fender | 1 dumb line, 10 phones plugged in parallel <------------ |
| 20:57.15 | laptopdude90 | My phones are all connected together and it runs out to the pole |
| 20:57.23 | laptopdude90 | + a fax machine |
| 20:57.40 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: keep your dumb line for your fax machine if you ever use it. |
| 20:57.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Then if you want THAT ... but going over a provider then you would disconnect you main home circuit from the telco and connect it to an ATA |
| 20:57.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ~ATA |
| 20:57.46 | infobot | well, ata is Analogue Terminal Adapter which provides an FXS and/or FXO and ethernet, see http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/ATA |
| 20:57.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 20:57.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Then nothing will feel dirfferent |
| 20:58.02 | laptopdude90 | No no no |
| 20:58.06 | [TK]D-Fender | they'll use their EXISTING phones as-is |
| 20:58.06 | laptopdude90 | I don't want my existing system |
| 20:58.17 | laptopdude90 | Also I wanted to use Asterisk to email my faces |
| 20:58.19 | laptopdude90 | faxes* |
| 20:58.31 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: ehhh, I see pain in your future |
| 20:58.34 | [TK]D-Fender | So you want to buy all-new phones? |
| 20:58.40 | laptopdude90 | yup |
| 20:59.06 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: fax+VoIP works great together when they don't fight and kill each other |
| 20:59.20 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you can make it work, but it's a pain to get it right |
| 20:59.21 | [TK]D-Fender | Ok, then have your wires run, pick your phones and prepare for the learning curve |
| 20:59.34 | laptopdude90 | Wires are already run, it's just standard ethernet |
| 20:59.44 | lvlinux | then buy phones and READ THE BOOK. |
| 20:59.50 | laptopdude90 | We currently have 3 phone numbers |
| 20:59.56 | laptopdude90 | One for fax, 2 for phones |
| 21:00.37 | laptopdude90 | So, fax and VOIP is a terrible idea? |
| 21:00.44 | laptopdude90 | Even if fax gets a dedi # |
| 21:00.46 | laptopdude90 | ? |
| 21:01.07 | [TK]D-Fender | it's really recommended to just leave it on POTS |
| 21:01.10 | igcewieling1 | Asterisk seldom saves money when you are dealing with only a few phones or a few hundred mins /month |
| 21:01.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Actually... that IS where it'll save money |
| 21:01.38 | igcewieling1 | I disagree. |
| 21:01.49 | [TK]D-Fender | depending on LD vs local usage |
| 21:02.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Canadian land-line is like $35 to start |
| 21:02.13 | [TK]D-Fender | with shit LD rate |
| 21:02.48 | [TK]D-Fender | So if you only use 3000 minutes... at $0.01/min ... well you've already saved 5$/mo |
| 21:03.03 | igcewieling1 | [TK]D-Fender: you can accomplish that with a simple ATA not an entire new phone systems |
| 21:03.06 | [TK]D-Fender | and that's 3000 min not just "few nudred" |
| 21:03.28 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling1: Oh I suggested the :"whole home" ATA idea, but he really wants fancy phones |
| 21:03.35 | [TK]D-Fender | that's a person choice because of "toys". |
| 21:03.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Wasn't really a comment on the cost-effectiveness of SERVICE |
| 21:03.57 | igcewieling1 | Savinug $5/month x how many months to pay off the hundreds of dollars spend on getting Asterisk up to where his old phone system is on capabilities. |
| 21:04.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Again... that's his choice for wanting new toys |
| 21:04.30 | [TK]D-Fender | And his old "system", was just analog phones on a dumb line |
| 21:04.36 | igcewieling1 | *nod* My original point was only applying to saving money. |
| 21:04.37 | [TK]D-Fender | no actual system |
| 21:04.57 | [TK]D-Fender | He'll save money either way ... just a question of how long to pay down the hardware he chooses :) |
| 21:05.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Sure it might take a few years, but hey! |
| 21:05.14 | [TK]D-Fender | Who knows |
| 21:05.34 | [TK]D-Fender | That's what better analysis of running costs is for... |
| 21:05.43 | [TK]D-Fender | And I doubt we're going to ge tthat big a breakdown |
| 21:06.11 | igcewieling1 | I do not miss the days of thinking going cheap works with VoIP. |
| 21:06.52 | [TK]D-Fender | it certainly can. Then people find all sorts of ways to inflate the bottom line |
| 21:06.57 | [TK]D-Fender | And then complicate their lives. |
| 21:07.31 | igcewieling1 | Decent VoIP phones are not cheap. Analog cards are not cheap. Fax sucks with VoIP so you want to keep that analog. |
| 21:07.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Were I to use a use-case that could apply to me I'd get an unlimited incoming DID and cheap per-minute termination and come out better than land-line based on modern lifestyle w/ cells, etc |
| 21:07.59 | [TK]D-Fender | and the fact I BARELY use the phone at all |
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| 21:08.35 | [TK]D-Fender | I "enjoy" the use of nice SIP phones but at home I couldn't care from more than an ATA I could pick up for $20 |
| 21:08.55 | [TK]D-Fender | And then just a regular dumb analog wireless handset |
| 21:08.58 | c|oneman | the key is to s |
| 21:09.01 | igcewieling1 | [TK]D-Fender: I register my desk polycom direct to my ITSP, no Asterisk required. |
| 21:09.04 | laptopdude90 | I think it applies more for us |
| 21:09.09 | c|oneman | "borrow" a polycom from work |
| 21:09.12 | laptopdude90 | We pay at least $50/month b/c of 2 phone numbers |
| 21:09.29 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling1: I'd do that as well... if I cared to... but living alone I like my * for the use I get out of it |
| 21:09.40 | [TK]D-Fender | igcewieling1: Keeping in mind I use my office PRI as my ITSP |
| 21:10.00 | igcewieling1 | I don't use cellphone anymore so I don't care too much about being reachable when not home. |
| 21:10.01 | laptopdude90 | Seriously though? Fax via VOIP is that bad? |
| 21:10.32 | [TK]D-Fender | FoIP = a bit of trouble and you need to pick proper equipment and providers who actually suport it |
| 21:10.34 | [TK]D-Fender | ~t38 |
| 21:10.34 | infobot | hmm... t38 is see http://www.brooktrout.com/whitepapers/pdf/fax_over_ip.pdf for a decent overview of how it all works, no, it's not ready yet, we'll let you know. a really lousy spec. a lightweight fighter, also known as the Talon |
| 21:10.36 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^ |
| 21:10.39 | igcewieling1 | laptopdude90: Fax over Voice over IP works so terribly an entire new protocol was invented to try and handle it. |
| 21:10.56 | laptopdude90 | babyTel - the people I'm looking into, have T38 |
| 21:10.56 | igcewieling1 | called, as you might guess, T.38 |
| 21:11.46 | [TK]D-Fender | honestly Babytel should be removed from the suggestion list |
| 21:11.57 | [TK]D-Fender | noboidy really reports on their quality here |
| 21:12.09 | [TK]D-Fender | as I have no idea if they are any good really |
| 21:12.12 | [TK]D-Fender | They EXIST... |
| 21:12.16 | [TK]D-Fender | and have for many years... |
| 21:12.18 | laptopdude90 | dammit |
| 21:12.27 | [TK]D-Fender | but I've never met a second person who's ever used them |
| 21:12.39 | [TK]D-Fender | they MIGHT be decent |
| 21:12.40 | [TK]D-Fender | hard to say |
| 21:12.45 | laptopdude90 | https://www.les.net/ |
| 21:12.50 | laptopdude90 | Are these people good then |
| 21:13.08 | [TK]D-Fender | les.net is generally decent, but no T.38 so fax = russian roulette |
| 21:13.21 | laptopdude90 | damn |
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| 21:13.40 | laptopdude90 | Does les support phone number transfer? |
| 21:13.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Flowroute is decent for both last I heard and IIRC the offfer Cana DID's |
| 21:13.58 | [TK]D-Fender | I know voip.ms who resless them offers the DID's but not T.38 |
| 21:14.08 | [TK]D-Fender | ALL support LNP |
| 21:14.14 | laptopdude90 | Also what is DID |
| 21:14.18 | igcewieling1 | I use Vitelity, but my usage is very low. |
| 21:14.21 | [TK]D-Fender | ~did |
| 21:14.25 | infobot | i heard did is Direct Inward Dialing, or just a phone number |
| 21:14.27 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 21:14.43 | laptopdude90 | "just a phone number" |
| 21:14.46 | laptopdude90 | so no difference? |
| 21:14.51 | laptopdude90 | what's so special then |
| 21:15.18 | laptopdude90 | and what's a 24 channel did |
| 21:15.48 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: a "channel" carries calls---it doesn't really care about hte number. A DID does nothing by itself---it's like an address. |
| 21:16.10 | laptopdude90 | Do I want channels? |
| 21:16.16 | laptopdude90 | Does 1 channel mean 1 call? |
| 21:16.22 | [TK]D-Fender | that is where they give a sevice allowing for up to 24 simultaneous calls |
| 21:16.31 | [TK]D-Fender | yes, channel = call |
| 21:16.35 | laptopdude90 | So if I have 24 channels and one phone number, could 24 people call that same number and it would go through? |
| 21:16.41 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 21:16.44 | laptopdude90 | That's amazing |
| 21:17.00 | [TK]D-Fender | I have 23 channels and 110 DID's |
| 21:17.07 | laptopdude90 | I'm reading les right, right? |
| 21:17.13 | laptopdude90 | $2/month |
| 21:17.24 | laptopdude90 | Plus $8.88/month for a Canadian phone number |
| 21:17.25 | [TK]D-Fender | link the page |
| 21:17.31 | laptopdude90 | unlimited minutes? |
| 21:17.35 | laptopdude90 | https://www.les.net/ |
| 21:17.40 | [TK]D-Fender | the SUBPAGE |
| 21:17.46 | laptopdude90 | It's on the homepage |
| 21:17.53 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: unlimited is never unlimited |
| 21:18.03 | [TK]D-Fender | that unlimited INCOMING |
| 21:18.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Outgoing = per-minute $ |
| 21:18.34 | laptopdude90 | ah |
| 21:18.42 | [TK]D-Fender | All Outbound Calls <--------------- |
| 21:18.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Now you could use 1 provider for inboudn, and another for outbound |
| 21:19.11 | [TK]D-Fender | or a HUNDRED different providers if you have a cost reason for choosing to do so |
| 21:20.00 | laptopdude90 | So outbound includes within my province, right |
| 21:20.08 | laptopdude90 | So if I call my neighbour it'll cost me? |
| 21:20.14 | lvlinux | yes |
| 21:20.26 | lvlinux | probably the same as if you call the UK. |
| 21:20.30 | laptopdude90 | And with les, can I keep my phone number? |
| 21:20.33 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 21:21.04 | laptopdude90 | As long as my current telephone provider supports it? |
| 21:21.09 | [TK]D-Fender | So you said you had 3 lines currently? |
| 21:21.18 | laptopdude90 | 2 lines, I just went and checked |
| 21:21.23 | laptopdude90 | 1 for phone, 1 for fax |
| 21:21.30 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, did you want 2 actual phone #s? |
| 21:21.45 | [TK]D-Fender | I guess separate for exactly that reason then? |
| 21:21.49 | laptopdude90 | Well since I'm keeping fax on what I have now, I guess not |
| 21:22.09 | lvlinux | breaths a sigh of relief ^^^^ |
| 21:22.14 | laptopdude90 | xD |
| 21:22.22 | [TK]D-Fender | ok, if you're following at least that then you'll be saving the basic line cost and replacing with the combination of what a plan + usage will be |
| 21:22.35 | laptopdude90 | Yeah |
| 21:24.14 | [TK]D-Fender | What is your realist phone usage? |
| 21:24.18 | [TK]D-Fender | realistic* |
| 21:24.35 | laptopdude90 | Basically nothing |
| 21:24.53 | laptopdude90 | Except my mom calls up her mom every once in a while |
| 21:24.53 | lvlinux | lol then get a per-minute plan |
| 21:24.58 | laptopdude90 | Like once a month max |
| 21:25.04 | laptopdude90 | They talk for an hour or 2 |
| 21:25.24 | laptopdude90 | Incoming I'd like to be free |
| 21:25.40 | laptopdude90 | Because then I at least have the option of "call me back in x minutes" |
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| 21:25.59 | laptopdude90 | +Most telephone support thingys I'v eseen have the option of calling me instead of vice versa |
| 21:26.14 | igcewieling1 | 2 hours is $1.20 or less on most carriers |
| 21:26.30 | laptopdude90 | Awesome |
| 21:26.36 | *** join/#asterisk italorossi (~Adium@187.60.66.11) |
| 21:26.42 | laptopdude90 | Except les |
| 21:26.45 | laptopdude90 | Is 1.5c/min |
| 21:26.54 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you can get a free incoming DID from certain places :-) |
| 21:27.01 | laptopdude90 | Yeah les has that |
| 21:27.04 | laptopdude90 | For $8/month |
| 21:27.07 | laptopdude90 | Les is perfect |
| 21:27.09 | lvlinux | I said free |
| 21:27.13 | lvlinux | ipkall |
| 21:27.13 | igcewieling1 | I guess they could not afford and extra "s" ? |
| 21:27.20 | [TK]D-Fender | lvlinux: ANADA |
| 21:27.22 | [TK]D-Fender | CANADA |
| 21:27.26 | laptopdude90 | ^ |
| 21:27.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Not Washington USA |
| 21:27.34 | lvlinux | oh yes sorry |
| 21:27.36 | laptopdude90 | Also it's a requirment I can keep my current # |
| 21:28.02 | laptopdude90 | Also with the unlimited incoming thing |
| 21:28.15 | laptopdude90 | If someone from Europe called me |
| 21:28.17 | laptopdude90 | That wouldn't cost me anything, correct? |
| 21:28.32 | [TK]D-Fender | that plan is free incoming |
| 21:28.36 | [TK]D-Fender | invcoming is incoming |
| 21:28.38 | laptopdude90 | And what about those phone scams where it adds onto the bill and the scammer gets it |
| 21:28.47 | laptopdude90 | I don't know what it's called |
| 21:28.53 | laptopdude90 | But it costs an insane amount per minute |
| 21:29.06 | laptopdude90 | As long as it's incoming, I'd be immune, correct? |
| 21:29.20 | lvlinux | IF you set up your * box correctly |
| 21:29.24 | [TK]D-Fender | the sam is Owhen you CALL hostile exhanges |
| 21:29.30 | [TK]D-Fender | the scam is when you CALL hostile exhanges |
| 21:29.34 | laptopdude90 | oh |
| 21:29.35 | laptopdude90 | Is it |
| 21:29.38 | laptopdude90 | K so I'm fine :D |
| 21:29.46 | laptopdude90 | god this is awesome |
| 21:29.47 | lvlinux | or when they hack into your * box and call on your lines. |
| 21:29.59 | laptopdude90 | 3: |
| 21:30.11 | laptopdude90 | I'm experienced with linux so I'm not too concerned |
| 21:30.19 | laptopdude90 | I've got security mastered |
| 21:30.31 | lvlinux | no you don't |
| 21:30.37 | laptopdude90 | what why |
| 21:30.49 | lvlinux | VoIP security is whole nother world. |
| 21:30.54 | laptopdude90 | oh dear |
| 21:30.56 | laptopdude90 | well then |
| 21:31.07 | lvlinux | but if you know what you are doing w IP security it won't be too hard. |
| 21:31.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Things to learn. |
| 21:31.14 | lvlinux | ^^^^^yes |
| 21:31.24 | [TK]D-Fender | And on that note.. checkout time, BBIAB |
| 21:31.31 | igcewieling1 | laptopdude90: linux, networking, SIP, RTP, NAT, routing, packet filtering, security. |
| 21:31.39 | laptopdude90 | Once I get this in place the first thing I'm going to do is get all my friends to call me at once |
| 21:31.48 | igcewieling1 | you have 1/8th it 8-) |
| 21:32.00 | lvlinux | lol |
| 21:32.08 | laptopdude90 | I've got networking, NAT, routing down |
| 21:32.23 | laptopdude90 | aaaanyway |
| 21:32.33 | laptopdude90 | With les, do I have to add credits to my account first? |
| 21:32.38 | laptopdude90 | Or do I pay after the month? |
| 21:32.50 | igcewieling1 | perhaqps you should hask them. |
| 21:32.59 | igcewieling1 | perhaps you should ask them. |
| 21:33.12 | laptopdude90 | will do |
| 21:39.25 | laptopdude90 | sent |
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| 21:54.28 | cyford | hi is there a way to reload or restart xmpp without restarting asterisk or disconecting current xmpp calls |
| 21:55.08 | robmal | reload module |
| 21:55.19 | lvlinux | but it will probably disconnect calls |
| 21:55.22 | robmal | Ye. |
| 21:55.59 | cyford | :( thank |
| 21:56.06 | cyford | thanks* |
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| 21:56.49 | robmal | Check every second if there are anny xmpp calls and reload if there are none. |
| 21:57.53 | [TK]D-Fender | laptopdude90, You have to add credits first |
| 21:58.01 | laptopdude90 | Yeah, that's what they said |
| 21:58.11 | laptopdude90 | Hold on hold on hold on |
| 21:58.15 | laptopdude90 | What's this XMPP thing about |
| 21:58.23 | laptopdude90 | I thought xmpp was like a chat protocol |
| 21:58.39 | cyford | core reload seemed to work without disconnecting calls lol :P |
| 21:59.06 | cyford | google voice uses xmpp |
| 21:59.17 | laptopdude90 | Now hold on a minute |
| 21:59.19 | laptopdude90 | Are you saying |
| 21:59.23 | laptopdude90 | I can get my iPod touch |
| 21:59.29 | laptopdude90 | And make calls on it via the internet via asterisk? |
| 21:59.32 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: oh yes |
| 21:59.33 | laptopdude90 | with XMPP? |
| 21:59.40 | lvlinux | with anything |
| 21:59.45 | laptopdude90 | This is awesome |
| 21:59.49 | laptopdude90 | Now I HAVE to get it |
| 22:00.09 | cyford | im running 150 gv's lol |
| 22:00.22 | lvlinux | 150!!!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 22:00.43 | cyford | yeah little traffic pumping |
| 22:01.30 | laptopdude90 | What's a GV |
| 22:01.39 | cyford | google voice |
| 22:01.46 | laptopdude90 | jesus |
| 22:01.47 | laptopdude90 | why |
| 22:01.48 | laptopdude90 | hos |
| 22:01.49 | laptopdude90 | how* |
| 22:02.00 | lvlinux | please don't curse |
| 22:02.14 | laptopdude90 | Oh sorry |
| 22:02.40 | lvlinux | I have 2 GV numbers on my system. |
| 22:03.19 | cyford | :) |
| 22:04.17 | lvlinux | I don't do GV directly through Asterisk though (you can though). |
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| 22:05.22 | lvlinux | I have one on an Obi110 device and another on a little thin client that I made into a Yate server that fucntions as a GV/SIP gateway. |
| 22:06.32 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: you're gonna have tons of fun w this :-) |
| 22:06.47 | laptopdude90 | I really am |
| 22:09.59 | cyford | i hear yate uses gv's better |
| 22:10.27 | lvlinux | yes it works seamlessly. I've never had to mess with it. |
| 22:11.21 | cyford | askerisk works fine until google suspends like 5 accounts... then my server cpu sky rockets, and my cli is un controllable lol |
| 22:11.36 | lvlinux | lol why do you have so many? |
| 22:11.58 | cyford | trying to push calls through.. |
| 22:12.07 | cyford | traffic pumping |
| 22:12.28 | cyford | 125 dollars for 100000 mins |
| 22:13.00 | cyford | trying to reach 80 mill |
| 22:13.28 | lvlinux | thinks that Google may have a beef with cyford... :-) |
| 22:14.52 | rrittgarn | you're pushing 100k minutes through google for $125/month? That's impressive |
| 22:15.10 | cyford | 125 per 100k |
| 22:15.32 | cyford | but yes /month |
| 22:16.06 | robmal | :-D |
| 22:16.21 | cyford | google blocks the numbers to these chat lines , so i use extenders, and call fording |
| 22:16.35 | cyford | forwarding*' |
| 22:16.51 | robmal | cyford: You're my idol now. |
| 22:17.01 | cyford | google loves me :) |
| 22:17.29 | robmal | So, how much do you make off that $125*150/mo ? |
| 22:19.13 | cyford | my friend runs 80million for 50+k /month |
| 22:19.23 | cyford | im just starting :P |
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| 22:20.40 | robmal | Yeah, sure. Best of luck, from my penthouse on Mars. |
| 22:20.59 | cyford | lol |
| 22:21.56 | lvlinux | cyford: who are your clients? Telemarketers? |
| 22:23.06 | cyford | yeah sounds un believable.. but just look into the high exchange rates for small us towns, they get high maintance rates and payout there subscribers |
| 22:24.03 | cyford | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_pumping |
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| 22:34.10 | lvlinux | lastlog lvlinux |
| 22:34.21 | lvlinux | whoops |
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| 23:30.56 | laptopdude90 | What should my budget be to give this system a shot? |
| 23:33.34 | *** part/#asterisk kharwell (kharwell@nat/digium/x-iqsnbsikhchlijcu) |
| 23:34.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Based on what? |
| 23:35.07 | robmal | I'm thinking $alot |
| 23:35.37 | robmal | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 23:36.09 | [TK]D-Fender | I was just looking that up... |
| 23:36.38 | robmal | <- alot faster |
| 23:36.44 | robmal | ;-) |
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| 23:44.00 | FuriousGoerge | what am i doing wrong here: |
| 23:44.00 | FuriousGoerge | http://pastebin.ca/3251697 |
| 23:44.42 | FuriousGoerge | working backwords, i can see context "inside" has the 91005 extension. i can see that it is included in "outbound" extension. |
| 23:45.39 | FuriousGoerge | and i can see the error, that "extension 91005" is not inculded in outbound |
| 23:46.46 | WIMPy | I don't see anything matchin 91005 in that pb. |
| 23:47.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Me neither |
| 23:49.50 | FuriousGoerge | i guess my regex is wrong |
| 23:50.27 | WIMPy | And there's no regex, either. |
| 23:50.31 | laptopdude90 | What's a good price per phone? |
| 23:50.35 | laptopdude90 | For just a basic phone |
| 23:50.37 | [TK]D-Fender | * dialplan patterns != regex |
| 23:50.40 | laptopdude90 | Basic IP phone* |
| 23:50.53 | [TK]D-Fender | depends if you're talking new or not |
| 23:51.08 | [TK]D-Fender | And that's more like "good price for tis product in this condition" |
| 23:53.06 | FuriousGoerge | i guess my pattern matching is wrong |
| 23:53.15 | laptopdude90 | Used but working, how bout that |
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| 23:54.14 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/polycom/phones/soundpoint-ip?dir=asc&order=pricelh |
| 23:54.31 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/polycom/phones/vvx-business-media?dir=asc&order=pricelh |
| 23:54.38 | laptopdude90 | Wb these? http://www.kijiji.ca/v-home-phone-answering-machine/dartmouth/snom-710-voip-voice-over-ip-phone-gray/1112106825 |
| 23:55.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom VVX 300 (Refresh) <- @ 80$ is a top quality pick |
| 23:55.08 | WIMPy | Oh. jou still have kijiji? |
| 23:55.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Phone looks... meh |
| 23:55.46 | laptopdude90 | Worth $60 CAD? |
| 23:55.54 | drab | I'm trying to figure out how they could get incoming call with vonage and no stun or anything through a firewall that's blocking all traffic. The setup is a local phone registering remotely to a sip endpoint. Calling out I can understand since connections are originating from inside, but calling in? |
| 23:56.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Polycom is a far better quality product |
| 23:56.24 | drab | I'm looking at a tcpdump and the only guess is that they reuse the existing connections established by the phone for sip traffic, but then I don'get how rtp is going through at all |
| 23:56.41 | robmal | drab: INVITE packet carries rtp source. |
| 23:56.46 | WIMPy | The old Snoms are the best I've seen so far. Never seen the new ones, though. |
| 23:57.10 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: for random phones to play with I pay anywhere from $20 to $50 each. |
| 23:57.12 | FuriousGoerge | old snoms are great. new snoms much similar. imho |
| 23:57.27 | drab | robmal: oh so even for an incoming call the internal phone would establish the call first? therefore opening up the firewall? |
| 23:57.32 | lvlinux | I like Snoms too. |
| 23:57.45 | drab | robmal: so why standard asterisk guides talk about opening up firewalls for 5060 and rtp port ranges? |
| 23:57.45 | laptopdude90 | Where do you get your phones |
| 23:58.08 | robmal | drab: uPnP opens your firewalls, not asterisk. |
| 23:58.37 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: ebay |
| 23:58.45 | lvlinux | usually |
| 23:59.13 | laptopdude90 | So the phones I linked to earlier that are super hard to configure |
| 23:59.18 | laptopdude90 | Are they seriously that bad? |
| 23:59.23 | lvlinux | Get a snom 320 or 360, and a Polycom 330/335/450/550. |
| 23:59.28 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: not really |
| 23:59.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Cisco 79XX series aren't worth it |
| 23:59.42 | lvlinux | but they don't have anything great about them to make it worth it. |
| 23:59.47 | [TK]D-Fender | unless you're willing to spend all sorts of time upgrading firmware, etc |
| 23:59.49 | laptopdude90 | They're super cheap |
| 23:59.54 | lvlinux | I just bought a box of them the other day at a hamfest for $20 lol. |
| 23:59.57 | [TK]D-Fender | And then dealing with the special power requirements most of those have |