| 00:00.05 | tacky | yeah, one time fee option. but if their shit isn't gonna work at least low end bar, it's too much. |
| 00:00.41 | lvlinux | I pay I think 15/yr for my 512MB from Crissic. 20 or so for 256MB from INIZ, and 7/mo for collossuscloud 512MB (but it's very very nice) |
| 00:01.34 | lvlinux | I've got some others too but wouldn't really recommend them :-) |
| 00:02.13 | lvlinux | I had one from BlueVM but it was an uptime nightmare |
| 00:02.20 | tacky | yeah, this was gonna be my new cheapest (but i may have to abandon them even though i paid for forever). my most expensive is a kimsufi dedicated for ~$13/mo. |
| 00:02.43 | lvlinux | dedicated for $13/mo? wow that's a good deal |
| 00:02.50 | tacky | worst I ever had was BuyVM. they are TOTAL assholes and thieves. FYI |
| 00:03.19 | tacky | lvlinux: yeah, kimsufi is the cheapest dedicated around. pros and cons though. |
| 00:04.44 | tacky | lvlinux: my * box is alive again, btw... least for a while. i opened a ticket yesterday, finally, but no response so far and i have little hope for it really. |
| 00:04.53 | lvlinux | bluevm worked great when it was up, but the last outage was like 2 weeks before they even responded to the ticket and couple more weeks before it came back up. |
| 00:05.22 | tacky | no audio still |
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| 00:06.06 | tacky | got audio! :) |
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| 00:13.43 | laptopdude90 | >When you spend 2 hours modding a UPS to fit your new batteries and it turns out the UPS was broken to start |
| 00:14.04 | lvlinux | laptopdude90: fun |
| 00:15.18 | WIMPy | tacky: Let's see how long the good old phone number survives anyway. |
| 00:15.19 | MaliutaLap | laptopdude90: didn't test it while it was open - before modding it |
| 00:15.21 | MaliutaLap | ? |
| 00:15.28 | laptopdude90 | nope ;( |
| 00:15.32 | laptopdude90 | I just assumed it worked |
| 00:16.06 | MaliutaLap | ahhh. You know what they say about assumption and it's relatives |
| 00:16.12 | laptopdude90 | yup |
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| 00:22.04 | lvlinux | tacky: lost ya |
| 00:22.18 | tacky | yeah. i hit a buttn |
| 00:22.22 | lvlinux | lol |
| 00:22.25 | tacky | call back |
| 00:22.37 | lvlinux | well i have to go now actually---supper waiting on me :-) |
| 00:22.48 | tacky | ah, okay. |
| 00:26.02 | lvlinux | still can't figure out why ISN wouldn't work but SIP direct did... |
| 00:31.59 | tacky | WIMPy: unfortunately, the good old phone number looks to be gonna survive even though it should die. the telcos are making sure of it. maintaining control of the addressing is critical to their survival and they well know it. it's no accident that ENUM is half stillborn. :-( |
| 00:33.03 | WIMPy | Doesn't look liek they succeed in surviving. |
| 00:37.41 | tacky | WIMPy: don't bet on it. they still "own the copper" (and addressing). imnsho, what *we* need is an an extension to SIP (an RFC) that specifies station behavior for adding themselves to an ENUM equivalent. so, SIP capable devices all begin automatically adding their legacy phone numbers to this database during startup. as soon as [soft]phone x adds the feature and user y checks it, they will then be automagically directly addressable via SIP URI. |
| 00:38.22 | WIMPy | They don't own the addressing here. And only some of the copper. |
| 00:38.26 | tacky | it's very doable. and about the only way to save ENUM. |
| 00:38.35 | tacky | define here |
| 00:39.03 | WIMPy | Why would you need that? Just use URIs like you do for mail. The URL could even be the same. |
| 00:39.08 | WIMPy | Germany. |
| 00:39.36 | tacky | and, in any case, so great, some small chunks of europe have e164.arpa. pretty insular. |
| 00:41.26 | tacky | it is needed so that everyone's legacy phone number get's added so it's usable by others [especially regular people]. and sure, you can call me at amonk@backwatcher.com right now. doesn't help much with our aunts and uncles. |
| 00:42.09 | tacky | first get the digits accessible, then eliminate the digits. one thing at a time. |
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| 00:48.16 | tacky | also, you need it because most phones, even modern "smart" ones still don't support alpha dialing well, if at all. the future is coming, but it's not here yet. in the meantime, we could already be less slave. |
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| 00:48.53 | WIMPy | Well, the modern ones usually don't support dialling at all. |
| 00:51.02 | tacky | the "dialing" problem was a large part of the impetus for ISN/ITAD, btw. |
| 00:52.21 | tacky | that and trying to evade the Patriot Act, of course. fail. lol |
| 00:53.34 | WIMPy | Still a rather strange idea to just do ENUM with new made up numbers not related to anything at all. |
| 00:54.01 | tacky | not made up. just entered. |
| 00:54.37 | WIMPy | Assigned by a newly added aditional party. |
| 00:55.45 | tacky | say you have number x from provider y. that is the number that gets enetered on startup. now that number is ENUM addressible as well. the telcos will never make such a database fully available to the public themselves. we must create it without their help. that's why. |
| 00:56.06 | tacky | no. the SAME number. no new additional party. |
| 00:57.08 | tacky | it can verify veracity via EMEI verification or something. no big thang. |
| 00:59.05 | tacky | we only need pstn termination because we have no other way to address all the phone that are now IP anyway. waste of money for the people. entitlement program for "infrastructure" owners. totally unnecessary. |
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| 01:00.08 | WIMPy | was referring to the ITAD. |
| 01:00.37 | WIMPy | Does that have any value other than making things more complicated? |
| 01:00.47 | tacky | ah. yeah, that's why it's cool for people like us, but not practical as a path for the everybody. |
| 01:01.32 | WIMPy | Exactely. So it would make a lot more sense to just join an alernative ENUM domain. |
| 01:01.46 | WIMPy | Just that we can't use that any more :-( |
| 01:02.49 | tacky | well, it's two main value points were to be dialability and not covered by existing surveillance laws. changing the world is hard though. subsuming it is a lot easier. see my point? |
| 01:04.12 | tacky | YES, an alternative ENUM doiman AUTOMAGICALLY CREATED by the SIP devices themselves. That's what I've been talking about. :) |
| 01:04.34 | tacky | and created with people's EXISTING phone numbers. :) |
| 01:04.44 | WIMPy | Yes, but I can't relate it to my point which was entirely technical. |
| 01:04.55 | tacky | Huh? |
| 01:05.32 | WIMPy | Great idea. I will register my competitors numbers then :-) |
| 01:07.25 | tacky | The prob with the alt enum domain efforts is that they have all required people to manually enter their crap at some website. guaranteed to fail. not enough "buy in." thus my idea to build entry into SIP itself. make a library, add it to whatevers over time, eventually make it's activation the default, and presto, done! :) |
| 01:08.44 | WIMPy | It needs to be a little reliabe to be of any use. |
| 01:08.55 | tacky | WIMPy: ah, the old vested interests rears its head. lol but if you will note above, you can't do that. if you could it would be a HUGE security hole. I mentioned IMEI verification for this reason. |
| 01:10.13 | WIMPy | What IMEI? That's something that exists in the PLNM and woldn't really be usefull for anything. |
| 01:10.20 | tacky | yes, it could be as reliable as anything else. and the more stuff that includes the lib, and the more people that check the box, the sooner it is the default, etc. critical mass would be polynomial. |
| 01:10.27 | WIMPy | Or do you want SIMs for SIP devices? |
| 01:12.21 | tacky | no, i landed on the IMEI as just a handy device unique string that could be used for entry AND call verification. it could just as easily be the wifi mac addr, for example, or some combination of options since all devices are not the same. |
| 01:13.17 | WIMPy | That's all information that can be faked by any user. |
| 01:14.45 | tacky | so, for simplicity, say, when entering your digits, you hash your imei and that hash becomes part of the record. any modifications thereafter have to pass the check. AND every call has to verify upon initial call creation. just a rough outline. |
| 01:15.37 | WIMPy | And who would be that central authority verifying that information? |
| 01:15.56 | tacky | who needs a central authority? it's 2015. |
| 01:16.49 | WIMPy | That all makes no sense what so ever. |
| 01:17.32 | tacky | well, if you have a specific issue, make it known. |
| 01:18.20 | tacky | seems like it would work disruptively well to me. :) |
| 01:26.25 | tacky | well, in absence of pointing out specifics that don't make sense, i'll have to disregard the validity of that general assessment. ;) |
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| 02:08.48 | Katty | I"M ALIVE |
| 02:08.56 | Katty | hugs file and Qwell |
| 02:09.00 | Katty | disappears |
| 02:09.27 | WIMPy | already missed the X-mas card collection announcement. |
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| 03:22.35 | dorphalsig | hey everybody |
| 03:24.21 | dorphalsig | So... I'm trying to get a sipML phone working via WSS with my asterisk 11 |
| 03:24.59 | dorphalsig | I see the bindings on port 8089 for ssl |
| 03:26.16 | dorphalsig | but when I try to connect via sipml I get a "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at wss://172.16.199.132:8089/asterisk/ws.1 SIPml-api.js:3:0" |
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| 03:38.08 | dorphalsig | Can anybody please tell me what this means: ERROR[108929]: tcptls.c:397 tcptls_stream_close: SSL_shutdown() failed: 1 ? |
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| 04:34.56 | igcewieling | tacky: bitcoin-ish hash thingy, right? |
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| 04:40.31 | tacky | igcewieling: well, i hadn't really gotten that far yet, but it may well be necessary to do something like what namecoin does in the end in order to achieve thorough identity security, yes. |
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| 04:47.30 | tacky | i think maybe a simple hack like i described above with IEMIs and/or MACs might be sufficient for starters as long as the protocol required verification upon calling. in such case, one could 'claim jump' unentered numbers but they couldn't functionally redirect existing numbers. |
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| 04:55.43 | tacky | i was hoping to get lucky and avoid a blockchain need though. |
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| 04:56.30 | igcewieling | tacky: a wise person doesn't re-invent the wheel. |
| 04:57.32 | tacky | igcewieling: i don't want to reinvent the wheel. i just don't want a more complicated version for a given need than absolutely necessary. |
| 04:58.03 | tacky | kiss, principle of parsimony and all that |
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| 05:00.44 | tacky | and i'm not sure a blockchain could eliminate initial claim jumping anyway (need to think on it), but i suspect not, so if it would provide nothing to the use, it'd just be a huge hassle, waste and misuse. just cuz there are new, spinning rims, doesn't mean they need to go on every car. ;) |
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| 08:24.51 | drmessano | ~ |
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| 11:14.49 | WIMPy | likes the blockchain idea. Would be fun if it took 10 minutes to establish a call once a noticable number of peaople participated. |
| 11:15.08 | WIMPy | But then we already are on the way there. |
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| 11:19.56 | WIMPy | wonders why peers are mostly reported with a RTT od 553x or 554x mx? Smells fishy to me. |
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| 16:05.53 | saratogga | "chan_sip.c: Received SIP subscribe for peer without mailbox: westcoast" |
| 16:05.56 | saratogga | war does that mean? |
| 16:06.04 | saratogga | where do I find out the peers |
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| 16:14.49 | [TK]D-Fender | saratogga, Means that a SIP device asked to for the status of a mailbox you didn't define it as having |
| 16:15.20 | [TK]D-Fender | "sip set debug on" <--- |
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| 16:35.12 | lvlinux | hello everyone! |
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| 17:20.19 | linocisco | hi all |
| 17:21.20 | linocisco | actually it is supposed to ask in #elastix, as nobody is responsive. which one is better SugarCRM or VtigerCRM to be used with Elastix? |
| 17:21.56 | [TK]D-Fender | We don't support Elasitx here at all... or CRMs |
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| 17:46.26 | karelk | the asterisk CLI does not seem to support readline-like functionality |
| 17:46.32 | karelk | by that I mean |
| 17:46.40 | karelk | while it supports command history, |
| 17:46.45 | karelk | I cannot search in history (CTRL+r) |
| 17:46.57 | karelk | and I cannot use "smart" command history, |
| 17:47.14 | dadrc | the asterisk cli isn't bash, yeah. |
| 17:47.15 | karelk | i.e. when I type "sip " and then press PageDown, it does not offer me all commands from history starting with "sip " |
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| 17:47.58 | karelk | also, CTRL+w erases whole line, instead of just last word |
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| 17:50.20 | karelk | is there any reason why this functionality was not implemented ? |
| 17:50.29 | karelk | surely, compared to the complexity of asterisk, such trivial functionality could be implemented easily |
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| 17:50.58 | karelk | or does the asterisk community not find this useful ? |
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| 17:52.09 | karelk | I found a workaround with rlwrap |
| 17:52.11 | karelk | /usr/bin/rlwrap -s 99999 -a -pRED --history-no-dupes 2 /usr/sbin/asterisk -r |
| 17:52.11 | [TK]D-Fender | sip <tab> |
| 17:52.28 | [TK]D-Fender | <tab> not ,PgDn> |
| 17:52.32 | karelk | but that has other issues, it does not support Tab completion |
| 17:53.11 | karelk | [TK]D-Fender: no, tab completion does not use history |
| 17:53.25 | karelk | these are two different functions |
| 17:53.52 | karelk | (both very usefull) |
| 17:54.03 | [TK]D-Fender | up-arrow works at elast within the session |
| 17:54.07 | [TK]D-Fender | least* |
| 17:54.14 | [TK]D-Fender | not sure beyond that |
| 17:54.40 | karelk | yes, up arrow works (even outside session) |
| 17:54.49 | karelk | but up arrow is not convenient |
| 17:55.04 | karelk | lets say you are using a long command often |
| 17:55.38 | karelk | you would type first couple of letters, and press PageDown |
| 17:55.56 | karelk | and you could cycle through your history |
| 17:56.04 | [TK]D-Fender | If I were to use a long command often I'd hotkey it elsewhere |
| 17:56.05 | karelk | through commands starting with these letters |
| 17:56.16 | [TK]D-Fender | or keep a file with the list of useful ones |
| 17:56.46 | karelk | well, then imagine you are using several long commands (complicated syntax) often |
| 17:57.01 | karelk | you know your command starts with "foo bar ..." |
| 17:57.18 | karelk | you can type the initial letters, and then cycle through history |
| 17:57.38 | karelk | this iss relatiely common thing inmost shells |
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| 17:58.49 | [TK]D-Fender | What would I be doing in * CLI this way that would be often, and long? |
| 17:59.13 | karelk | I don't know about your use scenario |
| 18:00.02 | karelk | maybe you are smart, and can remember complicated command syntax |
| 18:00.12 | karelk | then you don't need this so much |
| 18:00.33 | karelk | I can't |
| 18:01.18 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm just asking for an example of what you would actually apply this to |
| 18:01.34 | [TK]D-Fender | What actual long * CLI commands would you be using often? |
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| 18:04.31 | karelk | any command that has more than one "word" |
| 18:04.43 | karelk | sip show peers 8888 |
| 18:04.48 | karelk | is too long to type |
| 18:05.44 | karelk | also, as I mentioned before |
| 18:06.09 | karelk | when you have "sip show peers 8888" and want to change 8888 to 4444 |
| 18:06.22 | karelk | you cannot use ctrl+w as you would do in shell |
| 18:06.31 | karelk | (erase last word) |
| 18:06.43 | karelk | because it erases whole line |
| 18:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | I guess our idea of "too long" is relative |
| 18:07.32 | [TK]D-Fender | or hitting backspace 4 times |
| 18:07.40 | karelk | I am used to these time-saving functions from my shell, and miss these functions in Asterisk |
| 18:08.10 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm betting fighting the urge to use your habits with other CLI's is the bigger challenge |
| 18:08.41 | [TK]D-Fender | "sip show peer "doesn't take me 2 seconds to type.. but that's just me |
| 18:10.24 | karelk | that was just an example |
| 18:10.30 | karelk | I am sure you can imagine more complicated command than that |
| 18:10.37 | [TK]D-Fender | not really |
| 18:10.44 | [TK]D-Fender | for anything "practical" |
| 18:11.20 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't have a sample. I don't have a sample. So we're left with the theory that this should be time saving and repeatedly useful, but neither of us has a sample yet |
| 18:13.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Right now we're at "theoretically useful, but not much of a use-case to prove it's worth it" |
| 18:14.48 | igcewieling | *sigh* "I'm sorry the issue took hours to fix. If all the information provided was not wrong, then it might have been fixed sooner." |
| 18:15.11 | igcewieling | Reminded me of this channel 9-| |
| 18:16.31 | [TK]D-Fender | "Oh this wasn't debug from the pone I'm actually working on". "Oh, and it's not the same model". "Actually this was some guy's debug from a blog post from 2006 with a description that just sounded a little like my problem." |
| 18:17.10 | igcewieling | karelk: si<tab> sh<tab> pe<tab> peername |
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| 18:28.48 | karelk | igcewieling: how is that easier than si<PageDown> ? |
| 18:32.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Again...you don't have any real practical examples fo things you'll actually do often and come from hitory that way for this, do you? |
| 18:33.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Also, if you really want it, you're welcome to submit a patch. |
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| 18:36.15 | karelk | I don't know how to add this functionality. i am not professional programmer |
| 18:36.33 | karelk | so I am not likely to submit a patch |
| 18:41.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Neither of us has even more than 1 sample that really shows * CLI usage would really benifit from it. Nobody else cared too either it seems. I hear someone ask this ever 2 years of so.... maybe. |
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| 18:54.17 | karelk | OK we can conclude the discussion. Apparently readline was removed from asterisk for licensing reasons : |
| 18:54.28 | karelk | https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-6461 |
| 18:54.36 | karelk | http://www.asteriskguru.com/archives/asterisk-dev-readline-support-in-asterisk-vt84416.html |
| 18:57.09 | igcewieling | karelk: how is it more difficult? |
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| 21:08.13 | wdoekes | karelk: editline does support more than you think, but I think you have to config some .editrc to make it work |
| 21:09.01 | wdoekes | note that alt-backspace works fine as erase-last-word, over here |
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| 21:15.50 | gusto | so |
| 21:18.24 | wdoekes | karelk: to use .editrc, you have to explicitly set the EDITRC environment variable to .../.editrc and fill it with lines like: bind ^W ed-delete-prev-wor |
| 21:18.43 | wdoekes | +d |
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| 21:32.35 | karelk | wdoekes: what do you mean I have to explicitly set the EDITRC environment variable ? |
| 21:33.15 | karelk | I have added some lines to .editr, but this has no effect in asterisk |
| 21:35.56 | wdoekes | I do wonder what I meant when I said "you have to *explicitly* set the EDITRC envvar" |
| 21:36.59 | wdoekes | export EDITRC=/path/to/.editrc |
| 21:37.00 | wdoekes | or |
| 21:37.09 | wdoekes | EDITRC=/path/to/.editrc asterisk -r |
| 21:37.30 | wdoekes | the former one is conveniently placed in your .profile/.bashrc |
| 21:39.19 | karelk | that's what I have, but that does not seem to make any difference: |
| 21:39.21 | karelk | export EDITRC="/root/.editrc" |
| 21:39.47 | karelk | cat /root/.editrc |
| 21:39.47 | karelk | edit on |
| 21:39.47 | karelk | bind "^R" em-inc-search-prev |
| 21:39.47 | karelk | bind "^S" em-inc-search-next |
| 21:42.48 | wdoekes | works just fine over here.. at least the ^R |
| 21:43.02 | wdoekes | although that em-inc-search-prev does not make me real happy |
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| 21:43.18 | karelk | but, does not work over here |
| 21:43.24 | wdoekes | vi-search-prev appears to make more sense |
| 21:44.08 | wdoekes | are you running some ancient version? |
| 21:44.54 | karelk | 11.13 |
| 21:45.26 | karelk | what about ed-search-prev-history and ed-search-next-history |
| 21:45.30 | wdoekes | that should be recent enough. it was fixed in 2011-05 |
| 21:45.33 | karelk | does it work for you ? |
| 21:46.49 | wdoekes | works, but does not behave like the ^R I'm used to from bash |
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| 21:50.03 | karelk | it works now |
| 21:50.16 | karelk | I had an empty line after "edit on" |
| 21:50.30 | karelk | when I removed the empty line, it works |
| 21:53.13 | karelk | wdoekes: thanks, this is exactly what I needed |
| 21:55.55 | wdoekes | it looks like you can cheat comments in there if you prefix it properly, e.g. with "#REM:# " |
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| 22:24.06 | wdoekes | there, next time someone asks: http://wjd.nu/notes/2015#asterisk-editline-key-bindings |
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| 22:25.07 | wdoekes | karelk: if there's a useful binding I missed, let me know :) |
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| 22:31.06 | karelk | wdoekes: this one is useful: |
| 22:31.07 | karelk | bind "^W" ed-delete-prev-word |
| 22:31.29 | karelk | ctrl+w deletes word backward (instead of whole line) |
| 22:36.21 | wdoekes | I think I got that one on line 10, but thanks |
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| 22:54.03 | karelk | I am trying to set up colored prompt |
| 22:54.11 | karelk | as described here: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+CLI+prompt |
| 22:54.36 | karelk | I tried this: "export ASTERISK_PROMPT="%C31%H*CLI%#"" |
| 22:54.42 | karelk | but it has no effect |
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| 23:05.55 | wdoekes | karelk: works over here |
| 23:08.26 | wdoekes | but the coloring breaks in all sorts of ways: (1) fgcolor selection does no bold/non-bold it appears, so you get either dark red or bright white and not both, and (2) resetting the color fails (color 5 instead of 0?), and (3) editline doesn't know where the cursor should be after scrolling a bit left and right |
| 23:08.32 | karelk | wdoekes: you get red prompt ? |
| 23:09.31 | karelk | are you using exactly the export that I pasted, or did you change it ? |
| 23:10.23 | wdoekes | your did something |
| 23:10.25 | wdoekes | *yours |
| 23:11.13 | wdoekes | but only for the console/foreground asterisk |
| 23:11.17 | wdoekes | (asterisk -c) |
| 23:13.00 | karelk | OK, it works for asterisk -c |
| 23:13.05 | karelk | but not for asterisk -r |
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| 23:21.34 | wdoekes | interesting. ast_term_init is not called for the -r variants, and then vt100compat is not set => color support is (mostly? entirely?) disabled |
| 23:21.40 | wdoekes | Breakpoint 1, cli_prompt (editline=0x881a00) at asterisk.c:2596 |
| 23:21.40 | wdoekes | 2596{ |
| 23:21.40 | wdoekes | (gdb) set vt100compat = 1 |
| 23:21.44 | wdoekes | ==> color=yes |
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