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| 00:32.14 | t4nk823 | wyoung ...thanks... |
| 00:32.31 | t4nk823 | anybrand recomended...? |
| 00:32.41 | t4nk823 | Dell, IBM |
| 00:34.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Brand != magic |
| 00:34.44 | [TK]D-Fender | and "bigger than before" would help if we knew what you have now. |
| 00:35.02 | [TK]D-Fender | And it might be good to show if your box actually NEEDS to be bigger |
| 00:43.25 | t4nk823 | it´s a PC actually HP 3400 Pro. Core i5, 8GB Mem, 500GB HDD. |
| 00:44.09 | t4nk823 | and when i say bigger i meant the amount of seats/users right now they´re only 15 , and want to add a new campaign |
| 00:44.35 | t4nk823 | but in fact i need a bigger box |
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| 00:45.26 | [TK]D-Fender | How have you measured that need? |
| 00:45.54 | [TK]D-Fender | What is your actual system load? |
| 00:58.56 | t4nk823 | client has informed us that will be at least 300 agents making outbound call, but will reach 500 agents |
| 00:59.25 | t4nk823 | right now only 15 agents are making about 100 outbound calls |
| 00:59.36 | t4nk823 | and receiving about 20 inbounds. |
| 01:08.08 | t4nk823 | Total extension Aprox 300, Trunk lines currently using VoIp (CallCentric.com), Softphone are being used (SjPhones), Features installed: Call Recording, Reporting, Queuing (Asternic) |
| 01:08.49 | t4nk823 | Digium to manage extensions, CentOS |
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| 01:31.29 | jeffspeff | how do CRL's work in Asterisk? I'm not very familiar with being a self CA but here's the page where I'm getting my info... https://jamielinux.com/docs/openssl-certificate-authority/certificate-revocation-lists.html#server-side-use-of-the-crl |
| 01:31.40 | MaliutaLap | With those stats that machine isn't even as powerful as my laptop, so it's a PC |
| 01:31.45 | jeffspeff | I believe that server side CRL is what I need to use with * |
| 01:32.26 | MaliutaLap | if the certificate is in the CRL then it's not trusted ... just like with any other CA |
| 01:32.59 | MaliutaLap | if your CRL is empty, and the client cert hasn't expired, then it's trusted |
| 01:33.01 | jeffspeff | but don't you have to point the application to the CRL like they demonstrate with apache? |
| 01:33.20 | raspberrypifan | is there anyway to integrate asterisk and irc |
| 01:33.35 | MaliutaLap | if the client cert hasn't expired, and it's in the CRL then it's not trusted - this is basic SSL |
| 01:33.41 | t4nk823 | so what do you guys recomend to install Asterisk in High Availability?? |
| 01:34.10 | t4nk823 | hardware specs (box) |
| 01:35.50 | MaliutaLap | t4nk823: so ... it's 21:34 friday night in new york right now, wee hours of saturday morning in UK/Europe, middle of the day saturday in Australia. You think that there are many people active here right now? |
| 01:36.06 | raspberrypifan | im in ny |
| 01:36.08 | raspberrypifan | its early |
| 01:36.24 | MaliutaLap | given that the majority of the people with clue here do sysadmin for a job |
| 01:36.41 | jeffspeff | MaliutaLap, I'm not very familiar with SSL and trying to read all that I can. In the site it shows that you set the SSLCARevocationPath option in apache which points to the CRL. To me, this implies that applications which use certs don't know where to find the CRL unless you specify it. If this is true, then how do you tell * where the CRL is? |
| 01:37.04 | MaliutaLap | people are lucky [TK]D-Fender has made a noise |
| 01:37.21 | MaliutaLap | jeffspeff: are you using client certificates for authentication? |
| 01:38.01 | MaliutaLap | t4nk823: and I haven't done any HA stuff with * |
| 01:38.10 | [TK]D-Fender | There is plenty Google-able for that |
| 01:38.18 | [TK]D-Fender | And you haven't stated any actual system loads. |
| 01:38.24 | MaliutaLap | jeffspeff: because if you're not then it doesn't really matter |
| 01:38.42 | [TK]D-Fender | You know they'v epushed almost 10,000 simultaneous calls through a single box, right? |
| 01:38.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Everythen depends on what you're doing |
| 01:39.02 | jeffspeff | MaliutaLap, I'm not currently using them. My plan, or idea, was to have a cert in * for sip and rtp and then issue client certs to different phones. that all looks pretty straight forward in the asterisk docs guide... the only thing i haven't found any mention to is how * will identify a revoked cert. |
| 01:39.04 | t4nk823 | i told you what it´ll do... |
| 01:40.09 | MaliutaLap | t4nk823: are you doing any transcoding? are you recording calls? are you compressing voicemail? All these things can impact performance |
| 01:40.17 | t4nk823 | and given the amount of calls on the actual server which i use is a PC |
| 01:40.31 | t4nk823 | 20% calls are being recorded |
| 01:40.54 | t4nk823 | outbound and inbounds only 20% |
| 01:41.13 | t4nk823 | VM are compressing |
| 01:41.36 | t4nk823 | exactly those impacts the perf i know... |
| 01:42.26 | t4nk823 | agents will work mon-fri . 8hrs daily |
| 01:43.11 | t4nk823 | about 20-30 outbound calls per agent |
| 01:53.50 | jeffspeff | So, does * just look at the CRL option within the certificate or do you need to specify the CRL location with another option in the config file? |
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| 02:02.26 | [TK]D-Fender | 20% of what? |
| 02:02.39 | [TK]D-Fender | your metrics have no unit of measure or basis of comparison |
| 02:03.37 | [TK]D-Fender | What tells you your box can't survive 500 right now? |
| 02:04.57 | [TK]D-Fender | how much SYSTEM LOAD do things actually take now? |
| 02:05.02 | [TK]D-Fender | http://blogs.digium.com/2012/09/25/asterisk-dimensioning-what-server-do-i-need/ |
| 02:05.47 | [TK]D-Fender | "CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400 3 GHz" "Maximum concurrent call: 480" that is one guys determination based on a 4-year old+ install |
| 02:06.05 | [TK]D-Fender | and that is just 'as stated" |
| 02:06.14 | [TK]D-Fender | RAM: DDR2 1 GB 800 MHz |
| 02:06.31 | [TK]D-Fender | 1. Olle Johansson of Edvina (Sweden) has a documented case of getting more than 11,000 (yes â eleven thousand) calls with full audio concurrently supported on one (yes one) server. |
| 02:06.31 | [TK]D-Fender | And what stopped the call count getting higher? The Gigabit Ethernet got full! |
| 02:06.42 | [TK]D-Fender | So lets be clear... 500 is not "big" |
| 02:07.26 | [TK]D-Fender | here''s another : (2011) I had done some load tests with Asterisk 10 and my highest results was: 1750 calls per seconds (cps) up to 13000 concurrent calls done on a intel xeon with dual six core and hyperthreading (= 24 cores) and 12 GB ram. the sysload was around 2.5 during this test (with open rtp ports but without much |
| 02:07.26 | [TK]D-Fender | media transportet, only signaling). With MusicOnHold I had to stop testing at 10000 concurrent calls due to the NIC being limited to 100 Mbit/s. |
| 02:07.30 | [TK]D-Fender | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+dimensioning |
| 02:08.13 | [TK]D-Fender | SIP testing 2013 <- check out from that heading |
| 02:08.55 | wyoung | t4nk823: you can buy a brand or just buy the components and build yourself, the latter will work out cheaper |
| 02:09.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Brand means nothing |
| 02:09.33 | [TK]D-Fender | You're going to have standard CPU, ram, etc in there.... |
| 02:09.39 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no magic with this |
| 02:09.47 | [TK]D-Fender | math is math |
| 02:09.59 | [TK]D-Fender | heads out for a while |
| 02:15.07 | wyoung | [TK]D-Fender: moose hunting? |
| 02:19.22 | t4nk823 | [TK]D-Fender: thanks! |
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| 02:42.23 | wyoung | t4nk823: I recommend distributing so you have load balancing as well as failover |
| 02:43.00 | raspberrypifan | whats the best way to learn asterisk and sip |
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| 02:46.11 | jeffspeff | raspberrypifan ~book |
| 02:46.19 | jeffspeff | ~thebook |
| 02:46.19 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 02:46.32 | raspberrypifan | hmm |
| 02:46.37 | raspberrypifan | itd be nice if they had video format |
| 02:47.13 | jeffspeff | you can pay for asterisk courses which you can work with an instructor... that's close to a video |
| 02:47.17 | raspberrypifan | plus asterisk 13 |
| 02:47.33 | jeffspeff | there's more to asterisk than just watching a video and clicking a few buttons |
| 02:47.52 | jeffspeff | * is a framework to build whatever you want. there isn't any one set way to configure it |
| 02:48.14 | raspberrypifan | well |
| 02:48.22 | raspberrypifan | im trying to look at what it can do and find some projects to build |
| 02:48.28 | jeffspeff | imagine * as a pile of lumber and nails... everything you need to build your house but you have to decide how to build it |
| 02:50.23 | raspberrypifan | well how do i learn to nail the nails |
| 02:50.38 | jeffspeff | google |
| 02:50.41 | jeffspeff | :) |
| 02:50.48 | jeffspeff | all you need is google and irc |
| 02:51.17 | jeffspeff | oh, and the book |
| 02:51.43 | raspberrypifan | lol |
| 02:51.46 | raspberrypifan | asterisk 13? |
| 02:51.49 | raspberrypifan | book |
| 02:51.52 | jeffspeff | i've referenced the crap out of that book and actually bought a copy here recently just help support it and keep them coming |
| 02:51.57 | jeffspeff | the differences aren't much |
| 02:52.08 | jeffspeff | you can read the changelog to see what's changed |
| 02:52.15 | raspberrypifan | well ok |
| 02:52.50 | shido6 | you will need the will to put forth the effort - integrate it into your life to get past playing and transition into knowing. Use it as a buffer between you and the actual PSTN. |
| 02:52.54 | jeffspeff | the * changelog can be slightly mind numbing after the first page, but it's interesting to watch the features that are implemented, bugs fixed, etc. |
| 02:53.20 | jeffspeff | agrees with shido6 |
| 02:54.37 | raspberrypifan | well |
| 02:54.48 | raspberrypifan | ive built a cloud machine with incrediblepbx |
| 02:54.49 | raspberrypifan | it works |
| 02:54.53 | raspberrypifan | but i want to makei t more stuff |
| 02:55.01 | shido6 | hack it |
| 02:55.35 | shido6 | listen to a voip call from a tcpdump |
| 02:55.50 | raspberrypifan | how why |
| 02:55.59 | raspberrypifan | i just wnt to integrate asterisk to facebook and irc |
| 02:56.06 | jeffspeff | what? |
| 02:56.24 | shido6 | do it. |
| 02:56.35 | raspberrypifan | but how |
| 02:56.37 | raspberrypifan | there isnt any info |
| 02:56.48 | jeffspeff | what exactly are you wanting to do |
| 02:56.49 | jeffspeff | ? |
| 02:57.24 | jeffspeff | plan your project |
| 02:57.33 | jeffspeff | identify your end goal |
| 02:57.38 | jeffspeff | break it into tasks |
| 02:57.52 | jeffspeff | research what is required for each task |
| 02:57.59 | jeffspeff | perform each task |
| 02:58.06 | jeffspeff | test, debug, repeat |
| 02:59.02 | shido6 | have fun |
| 02:59.14 | jeffspeff | thanks shido6, i forgot that step |
| 02:59.17 | jeffspeff | :P |
| 02:59.19 | shido6 | :) |
| 02:59.27 | raspberrypifan | how do i get speech to text and into irc |
| 03:00.48 | jeffspeff | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=asterisk+speech+recognition |
| 03:01.07 | jeffspeff | that's a good starting point for you |
| 03:02.49 | shido6 | I used lumenvox when I first started with that |
| 03:03.09 | raspberrypifan | lumenvox |
| 03:04.03 | jeffspeff | shido6, are you familiar with using ssl certs in * ? |
| 03:05.23 | raspberrypifan | any free speech recognition tho |
| 03:05.24 | raspberrypifan | im poor |
| 03:06.36 | jeffspeff | google |
| 03:06.51 | raspberrypifan | ive looked |
| 03:07.14 | shido6 | not really |
| 03:07.19 | raspberrypifan | i have |
| 03:07.26 | shido6 | certs for softphones for TLS |
| 03:07.31 | jeffspeff | the first page on the link i gave you has a free option |
| 03:10.01 | jeffspeff | shido6, i'm wanting to have a cert in * and then issue client certs for the phones but i can't find any info on how * references CRL's. Does it look within the cert to see where the CRL is located or do you have to specify the CRL location with some option in the * config files (similar to how you do with apache)? |
| 03:11.10 | raspberrypifan | as long as its not google |
| 03:11.14 | raspberrypifan | cause i dont want to give them my info |
| 03:13.38 | jeffspeff | raspberrypifan, seriously, if you refuse to use a search engine or read the documentation then i'm not sure how you plan on learning anything related to computers |
| 03:13.47 | raspberrypifan | alright |
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| 10:27.06 | EmleyMoor | My Asterisk box is rejecting incoming calls from my ITSP's servers with "401 Unauthorized", failing to authenticate, yet I cannot see why. How can I trace what's happening and/or fix it? |
| 10:27.53 | EmleyMoor | Ah, 401 without auth, then 403 when auth used |
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| 10:36.40 | EmleyMoor | What would result in this? It was definitely working last week, and I have only re-enabled IPv6 since - and it's failing on IPv4 |
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| 11:01.38 | EmleyMoor | This really isn't making any sense |
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| 15:05.24 | [TK]D-Fender | EmleyMoor, Very few providers send you AUTHED calls in the first place so your server should not be challenging them. in chan_sip this would be needing to match by peer and in that peer "insecure=port,invite" so that it doesn't give them a 401. If the source matches it will accept. |
| 15:05.37 | [TK]D-Fender | EmleyMoor, And it very common and normal |
| 15:05.51 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/440509/ is the conversation between the servers |
| 15:06.37 | EmleyMoor | OK, will try that but not sure A&A allow |
| 15:07.01 | [TK]D-Fender | show the actual * CLI SIP debug |
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| 15:09.34 | EmleyMoor | [TK]D-Fender: Not been able to get any... please guide me |
| 15:12.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Not able? how can you fail? |
| 15:13.39 | [TK]D-Fender | for chan_sip :"sip set debug on" , for PJSIP : "pjsip set logger on" |
| 15:15.56 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/440510/ |
| 15:17.24 | [TK]D-Fender | No matching peer for 'aain' from '81.187.30.114:5060' |
| 15:17.30 | [TK]D-Fender | So time to look at your peer |
| 15:21.58 | EmleyMoor | Looking long and hard at it... it's defined as per provider docs |
| 15:35.39 | EmleyMoor | I'll show the sip.conf if you think it may help |
| 15:37.35 | [TK]D-Fender | that's the idea with "looking". |
| 15:37.46 | [TK]D-Fender | we see the IP it's coming from. |
| 15:37.49 | [TK]D-Fender | it isn't matching |
| 15:38.00 | EmleyMoor | There's no IP in the peer for it to match |
| 15:38.21 | [TK]D-Fender | waits |
| 15:39.49 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/440514/ |
| 15:44.46 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't have a HOST in there. That is completely broken. |
| 15:45.14 | EmleyMoor | Right... let me check against a friend's known working one |
| 15:45.41 | [TK]D-Fender | From: "07500 667174" <sip:07500667174@voiceless.aa.net.uk>;tag=2016042316141400003 |
| 15:45.46 | [TK]D-Fender | I've got a starting guess there.... |
| 15:46.23 | EmleyMoor | Ah - I see what's wrong - there's an error on the provider's wiki |
| 15:46.45 | EmleyMoor | peer vs. user confusiot |
| 15:46.49 | EmleyMoor | confusion |
| 15:47.44 | Samot | Both PEER and USER require a HOST. It's broken either way. |
| 15:51.16 | EmleyMoor | Samot: OK, got it working now... though beg to differ about user requiring a host as neither I nor the friend assisting me have one set |
| 15:51.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Prove to us that it is LANDING on it. |
| 15:52.11 | [TK]D-Fender | if they have another PEER (which you'd mneed to call OUT) would have to have a host and THAT could be what it's matching against |
| 15:52.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Or that he might not be challenging calls globally and letting everything through un-authed |
| 15:58.29 | EmleyMoor | It's an extremely long debug output that proves only something similar to what I think is happening... I will get it into a pasteable form and paste it just FYI |
| 16:11.56 | [TK]D-Fender | You need a hostotherwise it is not actually laoded at all |
| 16:12.17 | [TK]D-Fender | that's why there is "host=dynamic", ecause you can't even jsut elave it blank. |
| 16:15.51 | EmleyMoor | Well, all I know is, it works as it is now... and that's an improvement on how it used to be. |
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| 16:41.37 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/440517/ is sip.conf relevant parts as it stands now, http://paste.debian.net/440515/ is SIP debug of it working. |
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