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| 10:14.32 | x-fak | hi |
| 10:19.24 | x-fak | what's the difference between the SPA112 and the older generation PAP2T? |
| 10:21.01 | slima | x-fak: wrong channel. |
| 10:21.16 | slima | This is Asterisk support channel. |
| 10:22.53 | x-fak | slima , which channel is the good to talk about genaral voip things? |
| 10:24.45 | slima | I don't know. |
| 10:44.24 | TandyUK | #voip at a guess |
| 10:44.43 | TandyUK | ##voip |
| 10:52.28 | x-fak | TandyUK yes |
| 10:52.47 | x-fak | 4 persons |
| 10:55.09 | wyoung | hi |
| 10:57.49 | x-fak | nobody own a SPA112 here then? |
| 10:58.27 | wyoung | ummm I think mine is a 3200 or something |
| 10:58.29 | wyoung | I don't relly use it |
| 10:58.40 | wyoung | IP phones are better than ATAs |
| 10:58.46 | wyoung | snom <3 |
| 11:07.23 | x-fak | wyoung why better? |
| 11:07.45 | x-fak | snom? |
| 11:25.32 | wyoung | x-fak: dedicated buttons, can be controlled by a computer / remotely, better quality (digital) |
| 11:31.32 | x-fak | wyoung , dedicated buttons? |
| 11:32.55 | WIMPy | These little things you can press and magically something happens. |
| 11:34.47 | x-fak | you talk about the dial digit buttons? |
| 11:37.39 | slima | lol |
| 11:37.40 | slima | ;] |
| 11:38.09 | slima | x-fak: http://www.bicomsystems.com/img/products/zoom/Snom_360.jpg |
| 11:39.19 | x-fak | slima this device is a reference in your country? |
| 11:40.00 | x-fak | https://www.amazon.com/SNOM-Technology-snom320-Snom-Phone/dp/B000FIHMSK |
| 11:40.06 | x-fak | there is no 360 model |
| 11:41.03 | x-fak | maybe you confuse with the Snom 370 |
| 11:41.12 | x-fak | i've never ever heard of this brand |
| 11:42.27 | WIMPy | There was a 360. It's EOL. |
| 11:42.50 | wyoung | x-fak: yeah for transfer, hold, do not disturb, etc etc |
| 11:42.55 | wyoung | mute etc.. |
| 11:43.03 | wyoung | and predences |
| 11:43.06 | wyoung | precendence |
| 11:43.22 | x-fak | precedence? |
| 11:43.33 | wyoung | presence? |
| 11:43.41 | wyoung | the ability to see what other phones are up to |
| 11:43.47 | wyoung | if they are busy / in a call or not |
| 11:44.19 | WIMPy | The nice thing is that you can configure the buttons to do things that are not related to the phone. Just any web application. |
| 11:44.33 | wyoung | yup |
| 11:44.48 | wyoung | like unlock the front door |
| 11:44.53 | WIMPy | That's really the thing I'm missing on calssic PBXes. |
| 11:45.02 | wyoung | or page a phone, or launch nukes |
| 11:45.28 | WIMPy | You're the guy doing the nukes? |
| 11:45.30 | wyoung | I am sure the IP red phone has that button |
| 11:45.45 | wyoung | nah not me |
| 11:46.08 | wyoung | I was refering to the president of the US |
| 11:47.00 | wyoung | but I hope someone hides it if trump gets in |
| 11:52.51 | x-fak | lanch nuke? lol |
| 11:53.04 | x-fak | unlock front door? |
| 11:53.32 | x-fak | you got a software to customize every button of your Snom? |
| 11:56.18 | WIMPy | You don't need extra software for that |
| 12:00.25 | x-fak | really? |
| 12:01.54 | WIMPy | A browser is enough. Or a text editor if you have set up DHCP accordingly. |
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| 12:26.42 | x-fak | WIMPy http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qS54jH9yOv0/UrNEg3DVulI/AAAAAAAA2Ic/MGTsaUAeSGQ/s1600/7.png |
| 12:28.39 | x-fak | function key item? |
| 12:28.44 | x-fak | on the left side |
| 12:32.03 | WIMPy | yes |
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| 12:41.25 | x-fak | why there is still a cord on the phone? |
| 12:43.36 | Samot | Completely wrong. |
| 12:43.57 | Samot | Your account is the user/extension you are connecting to on the PBX. |
| 12:44.24 | Samot | You're adding domains in with your account details. |
| 12:46.09 | Samot | Also, is this real information? |
| 12:46.26 | Samot | You have an account called peter.pan on the system? |
| 12:46.52 | Samot | The FQDN is really neverland.co.nz? |
| 12:51.05 | MaliutaLap | because one should neverland in .nz |
| 12:51.11 | MaliutaLap | wrong side of the ditch |
| 12:51.15 | MaliutaLap | :P |
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| 13:00.17 | Samot | OK, well I guess he doesn't want to program his phone properly. |
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| 13:13.36 | x-fak | Samot , it's not my config, it's picked from google |
| 13:14.03 | Samot | So what is *your* config? |
| 13:14.37 | x-fak | i haven't any SNOM |
| 13:14.42 | x-fak | it's not sold in France |
| 13:14.49 | x-fak | never heard of this |
| 13:15.15 | x-fak | my config, i have only a SIP line provided by my DSL ISP |
| 13:15.28 | Samot | Do you have a SNOM phone? |
| 13:15.50 | x-fak | sure not |
| 13:16.05 | Samot | Yes or no? |
| 13:16.08 | x-fak | it's expensive, it has a cord |
| 13:16.10 | Samot | Do you have a SNOM phone? |
| 13:16.41 | x-fak | i would prefer to have an asterisk server instead of this huge thing |
| 13:16.49 | Samot | You're not answering the question. |
| 13:17.00 | x-fak | seems like Samot dont understand my words |
| 13:17.14 | Samot | Do you have a SNOM phone? Yes or No. |
| 13:17.24 | x-fak | <x-fak> sure not |
| 13:17.34 | Samot | Sure not? |
| 13:17.39 | Samot | Sure you don't? |
| 13:17.41 | Samot | Sure you do? |
| 13:17.50 | Samot | Say: yes or no |
| 13:17.50 | x-fak | i dont have any SNOM |
| 13:17.54 | x-fak | no |
| 13:17.58 | x-fak | Samot |
| 13:18.05 | Samot | OK. So asking about it as no relevance to anything. |
| 13:18.10 | x-fak | it's not sold in France |
| 13:18.24 | Samot | So what? The Internet doesn't care if you are in France. |
| 13:18.33 | x-fak | it's not sold anwhere here |
| 13:18.53 | x-fak | and i dont like this thing too |
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| 13:22.27 | Samot | x-fak: What are you trying to do? |
| 13:23.24 | x-fak | just connecting my analog phone to my SIP account |
| 13:23.44 | x-fak | i've ordered the Cisco SPA112 |
| 13:24.07 | x-fak | seems like you're working for SNOM |
| 13:24.15 | x-fak | Samot== SNOM :) |
| 13:24.43 | Samot | You asked about SNOM |
| 13:25.20 | Samot | i just didnt randomly bring it up. |
| 13:27.21 | x-fak | Samot , i didnt ask about SNOM, read the history |
| 13:27.35 | x-fak | i ask about ATA vs SIP phone |
| 13:27.47 | x-fak | and someone suggested to get a SIP phone called SNOM |
| 13:28.00 | Samot | 7:53 AM <x-fak> you got a software to customize every button of your Snom? |
| 13:28.13 | x-fak | yes |
| 13:28.23 | Samot | 8:26 AM <x-fak> WIMPy http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qS54jH9yOv0/UrNEg3DVulI/AAAAAAAA2Ic/MGTsaUAeSGQ/s1600/7.png |
| 13:28.40 | Samot | So is that you asking about SNOM? |
| 13:28.53 | Samot | Or a Cisco ATA? |
| 13:29.15 | x-fak | lol |
| 13:29.44 | x-fak | you're a police inspector |
| 13:30.06 | Samot | Sure. |
| 13:30.08 | x-fak | what do you have with snom |
| 13:30.21 | x-fak | you're pro or against it? |
| 13:30.21 | Samot | Nothing. |
| 13:31.22 | Samot | You asked about programmong an SNOM. You pasted settings for an SNOM. I was trying to help you program the SNOM. |
| 13:32.28 | x-fak | i was curious about how is done the configuration of the buttons |
| 13:33.08 | x-fak | WIMPy explained that we can program and customize the buttons of the dial panel |
| 13:33.22 | Samot | Yes. Just like any other IP phone. |
| 13:33.49 | x-fak | i just wanted to know if the random picture i've picked on google was referring to what WIMPy was talking |
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| 13:34.18 | x-fak | Samot , i've never had a physical Sip phone at hand |
| 13:34.29 | x-fak | i've tried a few softphone only |
| 13:35.55 | x-fak | i've found out how it's working: http://wiki.snom.com/wiki/images/thumb/1/1c/Wui_v8_setup_function_keys_en.png/500px-Wui_v8_setup_function_keys_en.png |
| 13:36.44 | x-fak | you can assign an url to a physical button on the pannel of the snom |
| 13:37.08 | x-fak | you can customize everything |
| 13:39.14 | x-fak | right ? |
| 13:41.24 | Samot | To a point |
| 13:50.54 | x-fak | which point? |
| 13:53.27 | Samot | Depends on the phone. |
| 13:54.52 | x-fak | which one do you have? |
| 13:57.31 | Samot | I have quite a few. |
| 13:57.37 | Samot | I've used a lot over the years. |
| 13:58.19 | Samot | I currently deploy SNOM 7xx and Polycom VVX series. |
| 14:02.00 | x-fak | you're working and a Pro tech on Voip side |
| 14:02.40 | x-fak | is it handy to have a PAP2T at hand? |
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| 14:20.36 | Samot | I wouldn't use a PAP2T. |
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| 14:48.14 | x-fak | Samot why? It's bad? |
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| 14:50.20 | Samot | Yes. Not to mention it's over 10 years old. |
| 14:50.26 | Samot | No longer supported. |
| 14:50.30 | Samot | No longer updated. |
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| 14:51.03 | WIMPy | Why would you need an update for stonage technology? |
| 14:52.03 | Samot | That's the point. |
| 14:56.45 | Samot | So no, I wouldn't carry around a 10 year out-dated piece of hardware for testing when I could easily carry an SPA1x2. |
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| 15:40.42 | Penguin | wimpy: No one told him that old technology still operates without updates. |
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| 15:44.23 | WIMPy | Penguin: But isn't that the reason wee need VoIP? Because the PSTN isn't updated? |
| 15:44.41 | Penguin | And yet the PSTN still operates, too. |
| 15:44.57 | WIMPy | Where it still exists. |
| 15:45.18 | WIMPy | Butm yest, where it still exists it still work a lot better. |
| 15:45.27 | Penguin | True that the PSTN has been moving away from copper, but that doesn't mean it isn't still the PSTN. |
| 15:47.35 | Penguin | Some people are under the impression that when things get old they just stop being useful. |
| 15:47.59 | WIMPy | I think that's called Marketing. |
| 15:48.18 | Penguin | In other words, if you _have_ a PAP2T on hand, use it. It will still work. |
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| 16:13.41 | Samot | I know that old technology works without updates. |
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| 16:17.27 | x-fak | <Samot> Yes. Not to mention it's over 10 years old. <- Cisco SPA112 is not 10 years old |
| 16:20.27 | Samot | You said PAP2T |
| 16:20.30 | Samot | Christ. |
| 16:21.22 | Samot | <Samot> So no, I wouldn't carry around a 10 year out-dated piece of hardware for testing when I could easily carry an SPA1x2. |
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| 16:42.56 | x-fak | Samot , SPA112 is not a PAT2T?, It's just an acronym meaning "Phone Adapter with 2 Phone Ports"? |
| 16:43.19 | Samot | No. They are completely different models of ATAs. |
| 16:43.41 | Samot | The PAP2T doesn't support T.38 but the SPA112 does. |
| 16:44.27 | Samot | Also Cisco is not the only company that makes a Phone adapter with 2 ports. |
| 16:45.18 | x-fak | ok |
| 16:45.29 | x-fak | PAP2T is referring only to one specific model |
| 16:45.36 | Samot | Correct. |
| 16:45.43 | x-fak | T.38 is a codec? |
| 16:45.52 | Samot | Yes for faxing. |
| 16:46.18 | x-fak | i was referring to PAP2T to designate an ATA, sorry |
| 16:46.59 | x-fak | SP112 is a good buy then? |
| 16:48.02 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 16:55.40 | WIMPy | { > printer: } |
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| 17:07.57 | igcewieling | Is there *ANY* way to make a peer/user/friend allow packets from any IP address covered by the permit= range and not require authentication. I'm starting to think it is not possible. |
| 17:08.41 | [TK]D-Fender | permit shouldn't have anything to do with it |
| 17:08.59 | [TK]D-Fender | that simply restricts the range it'll accept from, not the auth requirement |
| 17:09.03 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: what does permit/deny do then? they certianlly don't seem to be ACLs. |
| 17:09.11 | [TK]D-Fender | so "insecure" should do it's job |
| 17:09.16 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
| 17:09.20 | igcewieling | it doesn' |
| 17:09.25 | igcewieling | t seem to be. |
| 17:09.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Show a peer & call |
| 17:09.41 | igcewieling | standby |
| 17:12.56 | igcewieling | http://pastebin.com/2czDwpHi |
| 17:13.42 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.45 | [TK]D-Fender | peer, not friend |
| 17:14.36 | [TK]D-Fender | friend -= user fires which needs the name to match |
| 17:14.40 | [TK]D-Fender | first* |
| 17:14.59 | igcewieling | sorry, that was left over from testing. I'll get a new paste for you. |
| 17:17.38 | igcewieling | http://pastebin.com/zquPSgnT |
| 17:18.47 | [TK]D-Fender | And if you comment out just he permit, does it match? |
| 17:18.59 | [TK]D-Fender | (is the DNS lookup for the host working basically) |
| 17:19.59 | igcewieling | vmax.nyigc.net resolves to one of the address inside the permit range. I'll try removing the permit. |
| 17:21.45 | igcewieling | same rejection. you want another paste from after taking out the permit? |
| 17:22.17 | igcewieling | I didn't take out the deny. |
| 17:23.42 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
| 17:23.45 | igcewieling | On our main call servers, this isn't a problem. I let in all calls from anywhere and handle authorization in my AGI scripts. However, now I need to accomplish something similar on the FreePBX boxes. |
| 17:24.17 | [TK]D-Fender | So is it matching with only the permit/deny removed? |
| 17:24.30 | igcewieling | I'll remove deny, but won't the global deny take over? |
| 17:24.40 | [TK]D-Fender | What global deny? |
| 17:24.44 | igcewieling | I've not had it match at all so far. |
| 17:25.02 | [TK]D-Fender | then I'm looking at this as a DNS host lookup issue |
| 17:25.14 | igcewieling | The deny=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 all smart asterisk people put in [general] 8-) |
| 17:25.26 | [TK]D-Fender | EW! |
| 17:25.42 | igcewieling | why not deny everything by default? |
| 17:25.53 | [TK]D-Fender | because the only way to have an auth failure is if it actually treats it as a match... and then doesn't like the rest |
| 17:26.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Restrict your peers.. not EVERYTHING. |
| 17:27.39 | igcewieling | I'll remove the denys and change the host to an ip address 209.220.119.18 (which is what vmax.nyigc.net resolves to), but the calls are coming from 119.20, should not matter since those are permitted by the ACLs. |
| 17:29.17 | igcewieling | \I can do another paste but calls are still being rejected. |
| 17:30.29 | [TK]D-Fender | show it matching the HOST with no other restrictions.... |
| 17:30.47 | igcewieling | I presume matching the host works fine, but I'll prove it out. |
| 17:31.25 | [TK]D-Fender | "no matching peer" != forbidden which is what permit/deny should cause |
| 17:33.43 | igcewieling | still rejecting the call. |
| 17:36.47 | [TK]D-Fender | DND lookup for the host isn't working then |
| 17:37.04 | igcewieling | host=209.220.119.20 is what I had in my last test |
| 17:37.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Forget about "rejecting", is it thinking it's a MATCH at least? |
| 17:37.36 | igcewieling | should I add a port=5080 as well since that's where the packets are coming from. |
| 17:37.38 | [TK]D-Fender | I can match and not have the right auth |
| 17:38.11 | [TK]D-Fender | perhaps just "insecure=invite" |
| 17:38.25 | igcewieling | I'll give that a try. |
| 17:43.58 | igcewieling | http://pastebin.com/rSGTKDi4 |
| 17:44.50 | [TK]D-Fender | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.52 | [TK]D-Fender | oops |
| 17:44.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Addr->IP : 209.220.119.17:5060 |
| 17:45.13 | igcewieling | hmm..interesting. |
| 17:45.21 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't know how * deals with DNS that well (particulars of DNS-SRV, etc).... |
| 17:45.28 | igcewieling | I'm not using DNS. |
| 17:45.28 | [TK]D-Fender | but it's not matching the host clearly |
| 17:45.55 | [TK]D-Fender | in terms of how it will try to get a name out of IP that comes in instead of the reverse |
| 17:46.06 | igcewieling | I'll use my tried and true way of handling it all in the dialplan. Thanks for trying. |
| 17:48.03 | igcewieling | at least I don't have to worry about anyone hacking in. |
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| 17:52.54 | amessina | gtjoseph: |
| 17:53.45 | amessina | gtjoseph: hi. When making a few changes in the build tree and running make, it seems that bundled pjproject is recompiled every time. Is there a way to not rebuild bundled pjproject on each interation of make? |
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| 18:08.05 | igcewieling | in case this is useful to anyone. block sip scanners http://pastebin.com/7M5mBy6z |
| 18:08.26 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: does pjsip handle auth by ip any better? |
| 18:08.36 | [TK]D-Fender | yes. |
| 18:08.50 | [TK]D-Fender | much |
| 18:09.55 | Samot | PJSIP is the new cool kid Chan _SIP wishes it could be. |
| 18:10.21 | igcewieling | Unfortunatly I have too much invested in chan_sip to switch anytime soon. |
| 18:12.06 | Samot | Thats a better attitude than most who just switch cause its new. Followed by "it broke things" |
| 18:14.40 | file | igcewieling, PJSIP has an explicit section for configuring matching based on IP and allows multiple entries in it, or CIDR notation |
| 18:15.28 | file | and for outbound registrations it can add data to the Contact so on incoming calls it can try to associate it with the outbound registration and identify it |
| 18:19.44 | igcewieling | Samot: I'm responsible for around 70 FreePBX boxes. Any change had better be the best thing in the world for me to in interested in it. |
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| 18:25.25 | Samot | Then i suggest box 71 as a test bed. |
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| 19:23.47 | drmessano | or 72 |
| 19:23.57 | drmessano | Because 71 is gonna just be awful. and broken |
| 19:24.06 | drmessano | Sink into the swamp |
| 19:24.20 | drmessano | 72.. It will probably sink into the swamp |
| 19:24.22 | drmessano | But 73.... |
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| 19:40.05 | Samot | It will burn down then sink into the swamp |
| 19:41.35 | Samot | Now 74...that will be the one |
| 19:44.11 | Samot | And dont fear. drmessano will save you from peril when youre trapped in a castle of virgins. |
| 19:45.44 | Samot | drmessano: Black Adder fan? |
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| 20:05.03 | igcewieling | but can he save me from Perl? |
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| 20:26.17 | drmessano | Samot: Never watched |
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| 21:10.42 | Samot | drmessano: You should. I think it would be something you'll enjoy. Though Series 1 isn't that great. Series II and on is where they found the right way to do the show. |
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