IRC log for #asterisk on 20160725

00:32.06UncleKiwithat was so strange
00:32.26UncleKiwinow that i have created some iptables rules its not happening anymore
00:37.35UncleKiwiwhen i do netstat -a why cant i see the connected sessions between the sip phone and the sip provider ?
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00:57.16TazzNZnetstat -a will only show TCP (from memory) while SIP is UDP
01:18.17WIMPyOr in other words: Because the is no connection.
02:17.59scvnetstat -a will show udp
02:18.05scvthere is still a concept of a socket
02:19.07ChannelZYeah but it only really makes sense for a listener
02:19.23scv% netstat -an | grep 'udp.*ESTAB'
02:19.23scvudp        0      0 162.217.176.109:43179       194.97.114.3:2010           ESTABLISHED
02:19.28scvoutbound connections do show up
02:20.01scvit makes plenty of sense for a connection too
02:20.05scvthere still has to be a path for return data
02:23.17ChannelZonly sort of. UDP has no state.
02:24.06TazzNZscv - what OS are you on ?
02:28.23scvthat particular machine is el6
02:29.54TazzNZmy ubuntu box doesn't show it
02:29.56TazzNZ14.04
02:29.59ChannelZA receiver can send a "reply" to the sender's source port, but that would be specific to a particularly implemented protocol, it has nothing to do with UDP its self. There is no stateful "connection" with UDP. You can fling packets off into space, and/or receive packets coming to you.
02:30.37UncleKiwiseems to have stopped
02:31.02UncleKiwii would have liked to know what actually went on
02:31.18ChannelZNow, a NAT router has its own idea of a UDP 'connection'
02:32.25ChannelZUncle, people do SIP probes all the time. Trying to register hundreds or thousands of generic devices (usually sequences like 1000, 1001, 1002, etc)
02:32.31ChannelZOr they'll just attempt anonymous calls
02:33.04ChannelZIf you're only connecting to one or two known providers and don't need to accept anonymous calls over the net, firewall 5060 off
02:33.07UncleKiwiyes im just a little confused how they got to my pbx when there is no dnat
02:33.17scvis there an outbound connection?
02:33.19scvon 5060?
02:33.29scvthen your nat may allow any host sending to your address at 5060 back to your pbx
02:33.35scvit's very common in poor nat implementations
02:33.42UncleKiwiyes
02:34.13UncleKiwipbx ---> nat router --> internet ---> sip provider
02:34.23ChannelZWho is the provider?
02:34.31UncleKiwi2talk.co.nz
02:35.10ChannelZis the box Asterisk is running on the NAT router/firewall its self, or is that just a little generic hardware box?
02:35.27UncleKiwiits a seperate box
02:35.35UncleKiwicentos 7
02:35.38UncleKiwiasterisk 11
02:36.38UncleKiwithere was a sip helper enabled on the router
02:36.41UncleKiwiwhich i disabled
02:36.50ChannelZYeah they are rarely helpful
02:36.51UncleKiwiaround the time all this stopped
02:37.09UncleKiwibut would they enable this kind of issue ?
02:37.32ChannelZYou do really need to port-forward some things though.. like a range of ports as set in rtp.conf
02:37.59ChannelZAnd 5060 in from your provider, if you can restrict it by IP.  But even if you can't, you could do that on the centos side
02:38.14UncleKiwii have done that
02:38.19UncleKiwitoday
02:38.31UncleKiwithe restricting in the centos side
02:38.46UncleKiwibut there is no dnat at all
02:38.51UncleKiwicalls are working properly
02:39.06ChannelZYes it could, as scv says cheap routers aren't necessarily very smart.. it could just have been seeing port 5060 traffic _out_ from you and saying "oh hey, we better accept anything coming back on 5060 and send it to this LAN IP"
02:39.21UncleKiwiahaha
02:39.25UncleKiwiprobably
02:39.37UncleKiwiwell i dont know how else it would occur
02:39.39drmessano100% ^
02:39.48drmessanoIve seen it happen quite a few times
02:39.55UncleKiwiok thanks
02:39.58UncleKiwi:)
02:40.21UncleKiwii think it was the sip helper thingy adding to the problem
02:40.30drmessanoHad a guy in here not too long ago that had it happening with a CEO's home phone
02:40.32UncleKiwihelping make it unsecure
02:40.41drmessanoRandom ringing at 3am kinda thing
02:41.02ChannelZYes, although if your router can't do port-forwarding with a source IP restriction, it's going to behave the same way
02:41.06UncleKiwiah speeking of which yes random ringing on another client this occured
02:41.08drmessanoTurns out his POS home router was forwarding 5060 back in when his phone, that was connecting back to the office, made an outbound connection
02:41.35ChannelZhah so it was sending traffic directly to the phone?
02:41.54ChannelZnice
02:41.59drmessanoPort Forwarded 5060 back to the phone
02:42.04drmessanoSo 3am rolls around
02:42.07drmessanoSIP scanner comes along
02:42.10drmessanoRIIIIIIING
02:42.12drmessanoWTAF?
02:42.14ChannelZyup
02:42.20drmessanoCalls from himself to himself
02:42.28drmessanoHe had an easy extension too
02:42.32drmessanoLike 101... or 1001
02:42.35UncleKiwithe random calls my client was experiencing i was told that they we comming directly in an not my my providers network.... ater sending them logs it turned out it was coming via their network
02:42.35drmessanoSo didnt take long
02:43.06UncleKiwiwhats the intention of these calls where nobody is there ? are they attempting to get remote dialtone
02:43.31drmessanoWell, more or less
02:43.43drmessanoCall is successful.. we log it, send it better calls..
02:43.48drmessanoLike international LD
02:44.23UncleKiwii have a client and they were getting these calls at the same time each day
02:44.32drmessanoSure
02:44.39drmessanoI get scans all the time
02:44.43drmessanoIf 5060 is open, expect it
02:44.50UncleKiwibut it was not open
02:44.51UncleKiwiahaha
02:45.02UncleKiwiithe calls we coming via the provider
02:45.10UncleKiwiand they blocked it
02:45.25UncleKiwibut todays instance i think it was open
02:45.26drmessanoThen that wasnt random SIP over internet scan stuff
02:45.30drmessanothat was PSTN calls
02:45.58drmessanoRobocalls from some spammer
02:46.37UncleKiwii think they were using the providers network somehow
02:46.46UncleKiwii froget the details
02:46.50UncleKiwi*forget
02:46.58UncleKiwibut they were able to stop it
02:47.01drmessanoIf they came from the providers proxy they were PSTN calls
02:47.04drmessanoNot the same thing
02:47.35drmessanoThat would be no different than getting robocalled on your cell phone
02:48.01UncleKiwiso what would the intention be
02:48.11UncleKiwicalling daily 1pm
02:48.11drmessanoMarketing
02:48.20UncleKiwianswer nobody is there
02:48.28drmessanoYep
02:48.30UncleKiwiok
02:48.46drmessanoSometimes its a PING
02:48.58drmessanoSometimes its a shitty telemarketer
02:49.38ChannelZAutodialers that dont connect you to the guy in India until you actually pick up. And there's a delay. Usually a fairly significant one, like several seconds.
02:49.47drmessano^ yep
02:49.58UncleKiwiok
02:50.07drmessanoEven then, sometimes they dont make the conversion at all
02:50.10drmessanoThey just fail
02:50.13UncleKiwiwell i think the client would have been waiting a while
02:50.17drmessanoOr get marked as such
02:50.23ChannelZat home my IVR picks up and says "If you're a human, dial 3 now."  I see calls all the time on the console, but my phone never rings because those autodial farms never even hear it
02:50.57UncleKiwinice
02:51.24ChannelZIt's a ghetto solution that so far as worked 100%
02:51.30ChannelZ*has
02:51.41drmessanoThere was one campaign here for home security systems where literally no one had a human pop on the line
02:51.46drmessanoEven waiting endlessly..
02:51.52drmessanoWhich was a failure on their end
02:52.03ChannelZ:facepalm:
02:52.22drmessanoThis may seem hard to believe.. but robospammers are not always the best equipped :)
02:53.00drmessanoSometimes they are in #asterisk asking why their vicidial is broken while they are still sending out thousands of calls
02:54.42drmessanoThen again, sometimes the robospammers have their shit together because they ARE using Asterisk, and <big company> keeps hanging up on their customers they are spamming trying to sell phone upgrades
02:54.50UncleKiwiwow
02:54.54UncleKiwi89.163.135.151
02:55.03UncleKiwithis ip is attempting to connect
02:55.08UncleKiwiover and over and over
02:55.41drmessanoWelcome to the public internet
02:56.15UncleKiwiits from the same nbetwork that was getting to my pbx
02:56.20UncleKiwi*network
02:56.30UncleKiwibut now he's not getting to it
02:56.32UncleKiwihmmm
02:57.43ChannelZthat was 62.* earlier
02:57.54ChannelZBut, another COLO/host farm.. pretty typical
02:58.27UncleKiwi(89.163.242.211:5070) to extension '00046462880338' rejected because extension not found in context 'default'.
02:58.27UncleKiwi<UncleKiwi> i think my asterisk box is getting hacked
02:59.01drmessanoSounds about right
02:59.08ChannelZoh I didn't see that one I guess, it was someone registering. Only scrolled back a little when I got here
02:59.33UncleKiwiso what was this person trying to do
02:59.39UncleKiwimake my pbx dial that number
02:59.42UncleKiwiright
02:59.48UncleKiwiso he can get paid
03:00.04ChannelZThey are the phone equivilents of email spammers, usually
03:00.20ChannelZTesting trying to find unsecured systems so they can make phone calls through you.
03:00.36UncleKiwilike beggars
03:00.41UncleKiwiin las vegas
03:00.50drmessanoIts not even a "He"
03:00.50ChannelZUsually to scam people.. like the fake "I'm from Microsoft, your computer is broken!" crap
03:00.53drmessanoIt's all automated
03:01.06ChannelZOr some could just be script kiddies trying to make free phone calls.
03:01.28ChannelZBut either way yeah they are almost always scanner scripts that just blast traffic all over the net, and log whatever responses they get
03:01.51drmessanoLike he said, like scanning for open email relays
03:02.01drmessanoThey are looking for the equivalent for SIP
03:02.09UncleKiwiyeah
03:02.15drmessanoMake a call, it goes through, boom.. you are now in the database
03:02.20drmessanoNow we send calls to you
03:02.26UncleKiwii guess the reason i am so shocked is because i had no dnat
03:02.26drmessanoUntil you catch it, if
03:02.42drmessanoWhat kind of router is it?
03:02.54UncleKiwiits a sophos UTM
03:03.01UncleKiwiat a large business
03:03.49drmessanoMisconfigured maybe
03:04.28UncleKiwiyes well.. it did have phones registering out to the sip provider directly
03:04.35drmessanoWell no, not necessarily I guess
03:04.47drmessanoThat doesnt matter
03:04.52UncleKiwiand i did have the 'sip protocol support' enabled
03:05.00drmessano^ That does
03:05.03UncleKiwiand maybe at the time it help
03:05.07UncleKiwi*helped
03:05.17UncleKiwiafter i put the asterisk pbx in the lan
03:05.45UncleKiwiI switched off the 'sip protocol support' feature
03:05.53UncleKiwithings seem to be still working
03:06.14UncleKiwiand the external inbound connections dont seem to be making it in anymore
03:06.25drmessanoSo whats the issue now?  I mean it sounds like you had it misconfigured, the box got spammed, and now that setting is off...
03:07.15UncleKiwiim just confused about how the spam got in
03:07.30drmessano23:04:53 <UncleKiwi> and i did have the 'sip protocol support' enabled
03:07.40drmessano^ That
03:07.41UncleKiwiit must be that
03:07.47drmessano100% that
03:08.06UncleKiwibut the intention of this is like sip alg
03:08.23UncleKiwiits not intended to do what it did right ?
03:08.28drmessanoSomething along the lines of a SIP helper is going to do some really ugly things.. like forward 5060 to the first device that opens it outbound
03:08.55drmessanoIt should be randomized.. but it's not going to be
03:09.07drmessanoThanks to "SIP Helper"
03:09.34UncleKiwihmm very strange
03:09.42drmessanoNot really
03:10.16UncleKiwiso sip helper is a security risk
03:10.53drmessanoThere is no standard for "Checkbox that makes SIP work better".. so manufacturer <> manufacturer, that's something that is implemented in varying, and sometimes horrific ways
03:11.09drmessanoEven when it's "SIP ALG"
03:11.29drmessanoHowever, often it's not just that.. it's forcing a lot of bad behavior so they can say SIP works
03:12.20drmessanoI wouldnt consider an open 5060 to your PBX to be a security risk
03:12.40UncleKiwiwhen your not expecting it, it can be
03:12.41drmessanoIf the box is secured.. strong passwords, calls going to a context that doesn't just send them back out.. youre fine
03:12.54drmessanoSo they wouldnt consider it such either
03:13.28drmessanoMy point is, the behavior is not a security risk
03:14.00UncleKiwii know some people as im sure many in the people in this channel know people who have lost money due to fraud
03:14.16drmessanoAs do I
03:14.19UncleKiwii dont want to become one of them :)
03:14.29drmessanook?
03:15.08UncleKiwione guy i know lost almost 20K
03:15.20UncleKiwithat would have been a sad day at the office
03:15.55drmessanoMy point is, what the gateway did was not insecure.  You weren't expecting it.
03:16.13drmessanoand now you know what that checkbox does, so plan accordingly
03:16.18UncleKiwiyes
03:16.24drmessanoI have lots of boxes open to the public internet
03:16.33UncleKiwii was lucky my config was good on the asterisk box
03:16.45UncleKiwii have one open
03:17.03UncleKiwibut i have put lots of effort into securing it
03:17.25UncleKiwitesting that securtity
03:17.29UncleKiwietc
03:17.45drmessanoYou should do that with any box you deploy
03:18.03UncleKiwii do but some require more than other
03:18.22UncleKiwiby the way this box went in yesterday
03:18.23drmessanoUhm.. When it comes to Asterisk, not really
03:19.07drmessanoReplicate the same best practices to each box, use a firewall script that handles things like repetitive register and invites
03:21.09UncleKiwiwell i do appreciate all of your help
03:21.14UncleKiwithank you
03:21.16UncleKiwi:)
03:23.10UncleKiwioh and just want to confirm it was misconfiguration
03:23.21UncleKiwii just found the setting
03:23.52UncleKiwiexpectation mode was set to  -----> any
03:23.54UncleKiwiAny: Incoming calls as well as media data are permitted from anywhere
03:24.10drmessanoThere you go
03:24.34UncleKiwimmm i feel better knowing what 'it' was
03:24.51drmessanoIf there is a SIP checkbox
03:24.54drmessanoIn any firewall
03:24.57drmessanoDont do it
03:25.06UncleKiwicheers mate
03:25.08UncleKiwi:)
03:25.18UncleKiwii know that rule but i broke it
03:25.27UncleKiwinever again
03:26.03drmessanoIn this case.. the help text clearly tells you that you messed up.. But in actual practice, "SIP Helpers" are variable as can be
03:26.10drmessanoSo just do it yourself
03:26.34UncleKiwii agree
03:26.45drmessanoIf you had an "Email helper" box, would you put an open relay behind it? :)
03:27.03UncleKiwino
03:27.07UncleKiwi:)
03:31.09WIMPyWow. That has become a long one.
03:32.03UncleKiwiyeah now im tired
03:32.27WIMPyI wish I was...
03:32.39UncleKiwicould be that i just ate a roast chicken meal
03:33.43UncleKiwijust curious can i use the asterisk logo on my website
03:33.48UncleKiwior marketing material
03:34.05UncleKiwii wonder what the rules are with that
03:35.38UncleKiwihttp://www.asterisk.org/trademarks
03:35.42UncleKiwiok google helped
03:35.46UncleKiwi:)\
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04:12.44wyoungUncleKiwi: om nom nom
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07:09.55davlefouHi, how i get an number from caller?
07:16.32ChannelZMaybe you want Read()
07:21.50davlefouI ll watch.
07:21.55davlefoutks
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07:39.30wyoungdavlefou: callerid?
07:45.02davlefouwyoung, callrid, why? I need to get code postal.
07:48.22wyoungoh a DTMF
07:48.41wyoungnot their phone number :)
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08:58.18davlefouHow a wath an variable in cli?
09:00.36davlefouIt is NoOp
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12:40.31zappaFanHi there people. I'm running a lab simmulation with some other colleagues and need to simulate a SIP provider with which we'll communicate via SIP trunks
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12:41.29zappaFanas soon as we reach that "central" server, aka sip provider, we'll listen a different recording depending on the number we're dialing from
12:42.34zappaFanI kind of know how to do this but feel a bit lost when it comes to outbound/inbound routes. I'm using freePBX, any help/example is welcome
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13:14.22roxluHi
13:15.03roxluSomeone around who maybe knows if it's possible to distinguish between SRTP and SRTCP packets?
13:16.08davlefouI try to have self exten: http://pastebin.com/W3FAqJqc
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14:31.04stefan27roxlu, what do you mean distinguish? in my setup srtp and srtcp always use different ports so it's easy to see which is which in wireshark
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15:12.22roxlustefan27: ah yeah sorry, I see what you mean;
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17:51.19filestefan27, RTP is an even port number, RTCP is an odd port number
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20:36.38drmessanoI would email root and ask him first
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20:52.45danielykHi, I have updated asterisk to 13.10.0 today and got following warning (before make install):  Your Asterisk modules directory, located at
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20:53.09danielykCan I delete these modules without worry?
20:53.27WIMPyYou should.
20:53.48WIMPyAnd if you need them, you should configure your new version again.
20:54.33danielykI do not know for what these modules are used...
20:56.55danielykCan someone summarize what the purpose of the modules is?
20:58.12danielykOr are that all standard modules from the old version 11?
20:58.44filethey are old modules from a previous version
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