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| 00:34.20 | blakess | hey guys, how are you? Someone work with python for Asterisk? |
| 00:35.02 | shido6 | ultimately, what do you want to do , blakess? |
| 00:36.09 | blakess | hey shido6, well, I wanna to start with a very simple GUI to modify the files configuration in asterisk, like the SIP and IAX extensions for example... |
| 00:36.35 | shido6 | and you dont want to use FreePBX for that... ? ;) |
| 00:36.52 | blakess | But I can't find good documentation for this |
| 00:37.25 | blakess | Well, I could, but I wanna try to make something small to sell for some small clients I have |
| 00:37.37 | blakess | FREEPBX has a lot of options |
| 00:37.43 | shido6 | ok. what in sip or iax do you want to do |
| 00:38.06 | blakess | create extensions for example |
| 00:39.14 | shido6 | do you know how to do this manually? :) |
| 00:39.23 | shido6 | like writing a paragraph in English? |
| 00:39.40 | blakess | yeah |
| 00:39.45 | shido6 | you're half way there. |
| 00:40.28 | shido6 | can you give an example, a scenario of an instance where your customer would use your gui? :) |
| 00:40.56 | blakess | Yeah, of course |
| 00:41.29 | blakess | Imagine you are the admin of a little call center group |
| 00:42.09 | blakess | And well, you dont wanna buy a Call CEnter system |
| 00:42.46 | blakess | just you need to manage the extensions and the providers (SIP trunks or DADHI Channles) |
| 00:42.53 | blakess | Just for your team |
| 00:43.48 | blakess | But Like I said before, FREEPBX is great, but is good for us, to people who know a lot in Asterisk (Or jus you manage well) |
| 00:44.18 | blakess | And the admin, dont have that knowllege |
| 00:44.27 | blakess | This GUI can help in that way |
| 00:44.45 | blakess | Just a small but perfect for this scenarios |
| 00:45.23 | blakess | I explain myself? |
| 00:45.46 | blakess | Sorry for my english, I'm from Argentina =( |
| 00:45.58 | shido6 | I get it , we ended up writing one similar but not in python... |
| 00:46.07 | shido6 | with various roles. |
| 00:46.49 | blakess | yeah?? Its amasing bro |
| 00:46.57 | blakess | Which Language? |
| 00:47.46 | blakess | Perl, C, PHP? |
| 00:48.27 | shido6 | lots of php and javascript and some in house packages |
| 00:49.28 | blakess | thats good! |
| 00:49.39 | shido6 | is there a time constraint ? |
| 00:50.14 | shido6 | Verizon owns the code now I suppose. |
| 00:50.28 | blakess | Not |
| 00:50.37 | blakess | I have time |
| 00:51.03 | blakess | (My lucky) =) |
| 00:51.23 | blakess | Verizon? Really? |
| 00:51.29 | blakess | You sell it to Verizon? |
| 00:51.53 | blakess | The name is "Auris"? |
| 00:52.43 | shido6 | no they bought it. |
| 00:52.49 | shido6 | the entire company |
| 00:53.15 | blakess | oohh, I understand.. |
| 00:53.17 | shido6 | ~$4.8 Billion |
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| 07:39.21 | jeffspeff | hey, anyone on? |
| 07:43.10 | jeffspeff | i was under the impression that the client cert part of https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Secure+Calling+Tutorial was mandatory. but, just from testing with 13.10 i found that merely generating the server certs is enough for sip tls and srtp to work |
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| 13:36.01 | blakess | hey guys! how are you? Someone work with PHP or some language to build GUI for asterisk? |
| 13:36.26 | blakess | For example, I know exist FReePBX, but is to big and its not simply to learn |
| 13:37.09 | blakess | I wanna make something very small, to create extensions in SIP and IAX, and connections for IPTrunks and DAHDI channels |
| 13:37.41 | blakess | I know how to do this manualy, just I wanna do it in a little web user interface |
| 13:37.53 | blakess | Someone can give some tips? |
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| 13:40.29 | BoRiS | Hi guys. |
| 13:41.23 | blakess | Hi |
| 13:43.02 | BoRiS | I just upgraded from Asterisk 10 -> 13.11.0 and for some reason after a few minutes of asterisk running, it just stops working. Asterisk doesn't freeze but just before it stops working, I see about 10 of these kind of messages |
| 13:43.08 | BoRiS | [Sep 4 01:01:00] WARNING[31028] chan_sip.c: sip_xmit of 0x7f63780224f0 (len 557) to 50.72.72.196:0 returned -1: Invalid argument |
| 13:43.50 | BoRiS | Im wondering if the threads or something is filling up because of this message. |
| 13:47.32 | BoRiS | hi blakess |
| 13:52.39 | blakess | Boris, I think one of your rules in SIP.conf is not correctly and you try to use it, or something like that, and maybe that can the reason of why asterisk "crash" |
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| 15:20.31 | BoRiS | Hmmm, it seems to be related to using realtime sip peers vs static sip entries in sip.conf |
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| 15:57.19 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, Ther is nothing hard about using FreePBX to do what you described |
| 15:58.53 | blakess | yes I know |
| 15:59.09 | blakess | its not hard for us, we have some knowlledge in asterisk |
| 15:59.23 | blakess | but I wanna build some more simple for final users |
| 15:59.51 | blakess | people without knowlledge in asterisk and nothing more |
| 16:00.28 | Samot | What are they going to be doing with it? |
| 16:00.46 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, If you want to build your own GUI then go for it |
| 16:01.29 | [TK]D-Fender | What is "more simple"? |
| 16:01.49 | [TK]D-Fender | You haven't described any aspect that you actually consider "hard", or how it might be made simpler |
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| 16:02.06 | Samot | Hence my question. |
| 16:05.33 | blakess | Okay, let's go to the start...... |
| 16:05.58 | blakess | I wanna know about documentation and the language to do this D-Fender |
| 16:06.07 | blakess | Sorry if not explain myself correctly |
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| 16:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | That doesn't make any sense |
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| 16:08.00 | [TK]D-Fender | "know about documention" <- Know what? We have documentation for Asterisk and you said you already understand how to configure it. So I have no idea what you're saying here |
| 16:08.07 | [TK]D-Fender | And language? |
| 16:09.52 | blakess | programming languages |
| 16:10.09 | blakess | what could be better to do that, like PHP? I dont know that... |
| 16:10.33 | blakess | I work with asterisk and configurations, but I never try to do something like this |
| 16:12.28 | blakess | I always use asterisk CLI and SSH console to do all in it |
| 16:13.11 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no "better". |
| 16:13.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Code is code and there isn't something that will make one noticably better than another |
| 16:13.59 | [TK]D-Fender | It's up to what you write, how you write it, and who you expect to contribute if at all |
| 16:18.07 | blakess | Ok, thanks. |
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| 16:39.00 | homeuser | hi everyone, i just want to use asteriks to run on a vm in my home, and being able to connect some phones to it who should able to reach each other. - i have completed hello world and it works. - but can anyone point me to any helloworld like supersimple tutorial or config file repo to archive just having a inhouse voip server? |
| 16:40.40 | [TK]D-Fender | " just having a inhouse voip server" <- there is no such thing |
| 16:41.08 | [TK]D-Fender | If you've got any SIP device registering and placing calls to * then that is all the "voip" you need. |
| 16:41.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Everything else is call processing : dialplan |
| 16:41.24 | [TK]D-Fender | And * does what you define it to do. |
| 16:45.39 | blakess | homeuser, that depend in what you wanna do with asterisk, you can create your extensions (SIP /IAX) and create dialplans (Extensions.conf) |
| 16:45.59 | blakess | What is your idea exactly? |
| 16:47.30 | homeuser | so, what i have to do is creating some sort of dialplan ? |
| 16:48.04 | [TK]D-Fender | That's what "hello world" is... |
| 16:48.06 | [TK]D-Fender | extensions.conf |
| 16:48.29 | [TK]D-Fender | sip.conf <- auths calls from devices and points it to the dialplan to decide what you actually DO with a call |
| 16:48.33 | blakess | yeah, you have to do that |
| 16:48.45 | homeuser | my idea is having a server that enables me to call phones that are connected to the server. alll that with foss software, using SIP protocoll, and some smartphones and computers i guess that act as SIP phones |
| 16:48.50 | [TK]D-Fender | What happens when the caller dials 123? That's up to you in extensions.conf |
| 16:49.26 | [TK]D-Fender | So far that is all sip.conf except for the part that determins what they can actually dial. |
| 16:49.35 | [TK]D-Fender | that part is all extensions.conf |
| 16:49.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Which is BTW 90% of learning * |
| 16:50.47 | blakess | that great! So, if you wanna SIP extensions make outband calls, you wanna have to configure SIP Trunk or maybe a Card Dial, with DAHDI |
| 16:51.32 | blakess | if all you wanna, is make phone calls betwin all the extensions, you have to make inbound calls |
| 16:52.06 | blakess | thats more simple, and like I said before you can configure it in extensions.conf |
| 16:52.25 | blakess | every rule of dial go there |
| 16:55.05 | homeuser | ok, so what i can take out of that (and looking at my files) is: in sip.conf i have to specify EVERY user i want to be able to connect. (and asociate them a number (which you call extensions?)) |
| 16:55.28 | blakess | yeah, thats right. |
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| 16:56.29 | homeuser | if that was sucessfully i would need some fancy rule located in extensions.cof, that defines who can call whom / what happens if someone is calling. |
| 16:56.45 | [TK]D-Fender | almost |
| 16:57.06 | [TK]D-Fender | that number you associate is only something that exists in extensions.conf |
| 16:57.12 | [TK]D-Fender | there is no association in sip.conf |
| 16:57.39 | [TK]D-Fender | if I make a SIP device named [john] then there is no "number" associated to anything |
| 16:57.52 | [TK]D-Fender | there is nothing to relate to in terms of another device being able to call it |
| 16:58.21 | [TK]D-Fender | you would make an extension that calls the Dial() application to cause * to call that device |
| 17:00.57 | homeuser | so numbers are not user to authenticate devices? |
| 17:01.51 | [TK]D-Fender | [this is a device name] |
| 17:02.00 | homeuser | ok |
| 17:02.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't call auth entries in sip.conf "extensions". |
| 17:02.07 | [TK]D-Fender | They are not |
| 17:02.21 | [TK]D-Fender | that is a DEVICE NAME. |
| 17:02.32 | homeuser | so whatever i tiype within the [] will by my authentifier |
| 17:02.37 | [TK]D-Fender | [fred] <- SIP device name in sip.conf. |
| 17:03.11 | [TK]D-Fender | <homeuser> so whatever i tiype within the [] will by my authentifier <- it is used as the identifier unless you specify a username in the parameters like "defaultuser" |
| 17:03.35 | [TK]D-Fender | it is simply a section name in that case and not something the connecting device needs to knwo about |
| 17:03.45 | [TK]D-Fender | [fred] |
| 17:03.49 | [TK]D-Fender | defaultuser=john |
| 17:04.07 | [TK]D-Fender | the SIP device would have to auth as "john" |
| 17:04.42 | [TK]D-Fender | and the call would come in as "SIP/fred" as seens in dialplan exectution as that is the device name it has |
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| 17:10.55 | blakess | homeuser, maybe you need read something like this http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+extensions.conf |
| 17:14.29 | homeuser | so the [] devicename is actually "forwarded"/"usable" within the extensions.conf ? |
| 17:15.47 | homeuser | (i just managed to login a second user, that is also capable of sucessfully dialing hello world, so what i now would need is some generic rule for the extensions conf that lets users talk to each other i suppose" |
| 17:16.05 | homeuser | blakess: thanks i look at it |
| 17:16.06 | [TK]D-Fender | homeuser> so the [] devicename is actually "forwarded"/"usable" within the extensions.conf ? <- usable as what? |
| 17:16.27 | [TK]D-Fender | it is the device used to create the channel in * and thus part of the channel name. |
| 17:16.44 | [TK]D-Fender | SIP/fred-023F623 |
| 17:16.45 | [TK]D-Fender | for example |
| 17:16.59 | [TK]D-Fender | it gets unique suffix added at the end |
| 17:20.38 | [TK]D-Fender | exten => 100,1,Dial(SIP/fred) |
| 17:21.14 | [TK]D-Fender | if placed in a context another device can access then when they dial 100 it will start processing and as step 1 it will call [fred] |
| 17:21.42 | homeuser | just for the sake of couriosity, what exactly do you mean then you use * (omg it came just up my mind that this could be a short for asteriks ( if that is the case i'll have to reread what you wrote maybe it then makes more sense to me) |
| 17:21.59 | homeuser | also i don't now anything about channels |
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| 17:23.12 | [TK]D-Fender | * =..... Asterisk. |
| 17:23.19 | [TK]D-Fender | just like that name of that symbol |
| 17:24.27 | homeuser | and also just so that i have asked, ist there no simple dummy beginner step by step "i don't know anything about asteriks or voip at all i just want to be able to talk to from voip phone to voip phone on my server with nothing else than plain sysadmin skills" - Tutorial out there?? |
| 17:25.32 | homeuser | yes i see that it makes sense in that chat - but in the outside world (where newbies come from) it's usually * == any |
| 17:25.33 | [TK]D-Fender | "plain sysadmin skills" doesn't really mean anything |
| 17:25.58 | [TK]D-Fender | All call processing = Dialplan = extensions.conf = the lowest leve of "pregramming" |
| 17:26.03 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> exten => 100,1,Dial(SIP/fred) |
| 17:26.05 | [TK]D-Fender | ? book |
| 17:26.09 | [TK]D-Fender | ~book |
| 17:26.09 | infobot | Asterisk: The Definitive Guide, 4th Edition (ISBN 1-4493-3242-0) available at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 - Asterisk: The Definitive Guide is released under a Creative Commons License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/) and a version is available for reading online at http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ or see ~buybook |
| 17:26.09 | voipmonk | ~buybook |
| 17:26.10 | infobot | You can buy "Asterisk: The Definitive Guide" at http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920025894 so go buy it SERIOUSLY |
| 17:26.11 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^ |
| 17:26.20 | [TK]D-Fender | There's a book online. |
| 17:26.26 | [TK]D-Fender | There is the OFFICIAL wiki : |
| 17:26.28 | [TK]D-Fender | ~asteriskwiki |
| 17:26.28 | infobot | from memory, asteriskwiki is http://wiki.asterisk.org |
| 17:26.34 | voipmonk | its not a waste of time, either - it will get you where you need to be. |
| 17:26.37 | [TK]D-Fender | And plenty of other sites. |
| 17:26.37 | homeuser | let me define it as knowing how to install and run a server, a vm, knowing about port forwarding ip and dns and stuff. |
| 17:26.48 | [TK]D-Fender | You need to learn the dialplan |
| 17:27.04 | [TK]D-Fender | [TK]D-Fender> Which is BTW 90% of learning * |
| 17:27.08 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^^ |
| 17:27.23 | [TK]D-Fender | What HAPPENS when someone dials 100? |
| 17:27.27 | [TK]D-Fender | EXTENSIONS.CONF |
| 17:27.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Go learn how contexts, extensions, and priorities work. |
| 17:27.57 | [TK]D-Fender | Go lear the first basic bunch of dialplan applications that * gives you. |
| 17:30.13 | robmal | exten => s,1,Gotoif($["${messagefrom}"="[TK]D-Fender"]:ignore] |
| 17:30.26 | robmal | ;-) |
| 17:31.05 | [TK]D-Fender | robmal, Congratulations, you've been promoted from dumb-ass to SMART-ass :p |
| 17:31.25 | robmal | Yay! |
| 17:31.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Expect for missing the "?" |
| 17:31.33 | [TK]D-Fender | except* |
| 17:31.36 | robmal | :-/ |
| 17:31.38 | robmal | My bad. |
| 17:31.42 | [TK]D-Fender | FAIL :p |
| 17:32.10 | [TK]D-Fender | ... and the wrong closing brace |
| 17:32.38 | [TK]D-Fender | And the logic of what remains puts "ignore" as the "false" |
| 17:32.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Which means ignore everything BUT me |
| 17:32.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Which isn't a bad thing ;) |
| 17:33.22 | [TK]D-Fender | That really was a 3-way compound error |
| 17:34.43 | blakess | . . . . . . |
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| 17:45.01 | homeuser | <[TK]D-Fender> Which is BTW 90% of learning *, |
| 17:45.20 | homeuser | yes sentences like this make a lot more sense now |
| 17:46.22 | blakess | Someone use ARA for make changes in realtime? For example create users (SIP / IAX) |
| 17:46.28 | [TK]D-Fender | It takes about 8-10 lines to define a SIP device in sip.conf. What about all the stuff they might DIAL? that could eb a LOT of things? What if you want them to be able to dial other devices? taht takes extens. How about a special one to pick up voicemail? thas another. Ones to change how other calls get processed? MORE. |
| 17:46.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Want to be able to dial out the PSTN? those have to be treated differently as well. MORE dialplan |
| 17:47.08 | [TK]D-Fender | How much do you need? Could be very little. Could be a lot more. |
| 17:47.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Could start small and grow as you go. |
| 17:47.40 | [TK]D-Fender | [TK]D-Fender> <[TK]D-Fender> exten => 100,1,Dial(SIP/fred) |
| 17:47.51 | [TK]D-Fender | takes 1 line to just have 100 lead to calling [fred] |
| 17:47.58 | [TK]D-Fender | so for 20 users.. taht could be jsut 20 lines. |
| 17:48.03 | [TK]D-Fender | in extensions.conf |
| 17:48.08 | [TK]D-Fender | (for that part) |
| 17:49.01 | homeuser | i know there are a lot of resources, out there, this is where i came from they all seem to bee exrtemely long and from the very ground up. which is nice if you want to be able to fly your drone using a public phone. which is very disencouraging if you want to just phone each other. so maybe it is true what eli the computerguy said when he statet you at least need 2 months to bring something working, and it will be a pain in the a |
| 17:49.47 | [TK]D-Fender | I've seen users start in ONE day with * and get 2 SIP phones and an ITSP account set up, along with voicemail. |
| 17:49.51 | [TK]D-Fender | So it depends on you |
| 17:49.52 | homeuser | a world, where you can spin up pretty comlex webservices, with just one docker command, without having to know anything. |
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| 17:50.07 | [TK]D-Fender | So go check out the book and start on the DIALPLAN chapter |
| 17:50.39 | [TK]D-Fender | homeuser> a world, where you can spin up pretty comlex webservices, with just one docker command, without having to know anything. <- which means you're using cookie-cutter scripts that set up complex software with tons of assumptions. |
| 17:50.47 | [TK]D-Fender | Just like your regular WordPress site. |
| 17:50.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Don't need too much HTML for Wordpress, do you? |
| 17:51.05 | [TK]D-Fender | Learning * from scratch = HTML, not Wordpress |
| 17:51.23 | [TK]D-Fender | But the power is all yours |
| 17:52.31 | homeuser | i don't see why i cannot just copy paste a configuration that just suit's my basic needs and then forget about it. - but if you tell me that there is no easy way to do this, no tutorial who's scope is just and only just to bring random people to the point where they can call each other. than i'll acceppt that. and try finding another solution i guess. |
| 17:54.50 | homeuser | hmm that html/wordpress comparison is maybe pretty good.. |
| 17:57.16 | homeuser | and yes i'm fine with a ton of assumtions, many of them can be made with values of security and privacy in mind. - no doubt that modularity is great. but there is a reason why most people use ubuntu and not gentoo. its always good to be able to go a level deeper but it won't be most likely be adapted by the many if they have to start deep. |
| 18:01.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Who says 100 means ANYTHING? |
| 18:01.28 | [TK]D-Fender | EVERY wsingle thing you dial is YORU configuration. |
| 18:01.40 | [TK]D-Fender | Want to dial number and have them reach the PSTN? |
| 18:01.51 | [TK]D-Fender | If so WHAT COUNTRY? that patterns are SPECIFIC |
| 18:02.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Who says you'll want to dial 100 to call [fred]? |
| 18:02.14 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no standard. * is whatever you make it to be |
| 18:02.26 | [TK]D-Fender | For me, * is a jukebox and makes me coffee |
| 18:03.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Now much like you can spin up a WordPress system, there ARE GUI's for *, but limits what you can but gives you "Magic Clicky Option" for what you might consider "boring" basic ideas |
| 18:04.53 | [TK]D-Fender | Ideas you'd see implemented on other fixed purpose PBX's for instance |
| 18:05.15 | [TK]D-Fender | but that takes away from being a small server where absolutely everything is under your control |
| 18:05.31 | blakess | D-Fender, homeuser could be my client if a build a GUI like said, you understandme now? |
| 18:05.49 | [TK]D-Fender | So when you dial 100 it'll call [john] right away, but when another devices calls 100 maybe it checks what time of day it is FIRST before deciding to dial him. |
| 18:05.50 | blakess | if I build* |
| 18:06.13 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, And you could be my client if I open a restaurant near you. |
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| 18:06.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Neither has happened yet, but since I already know how to cook I have a head start |
| 18:06.38 | Samot | Still don't see an answer to what this GUI will be handling. |
| 18:06.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Step 1: define the problem |
| 18:07.17 | [TK]D-Fender | Darnit, stuck on step 1 again! |
| 18:07.43 | blakess | Of course, and I know how to handling an asterisk in console |
| 18:07.50 | blakess | Wooaaaa |
| 18:08.48 | Samot | But what is the GUI going to manage for the end user?! |
| 18:10.09 | [TK]D-Fender | And how will yours be somehow less involved than the alternative you've already rejected? Then .. who are you making this for and why would they pick yours instead? |
| 18:10.22 | blakess | The status of his Users, SIP trunks, create, delete, update users SIP / IAX |
| 18:10.26 | [TK]D-Fender | So again ... we haven't defined the problem |
| 18:10.44 | blakess | Simple things, nothing more |
| 18:11.04 | [TK]D-Fender | those are aspects. How is yours expected to be DIFFERENT, and who will those differences matter to? |
| 18:11.19 | blakess | I dont know if can make this with ARA, or with an API REST, or what tool I can start to build this |
| 18:11.27 | blakess | Nothing more, just that! |
| 18:11.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Otherwise this is making something for the sake of making something. #rounderwheels |
| 18:11.31 | Samot | What are the "simple things"? |
| 18:12.14 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess> I dont know if can make this with ARA, or with an API REST, or what tool I can start to build this <- Don't worry about making a GUI ... when you don't seem to know what those parts of * even are. |
| 18:12.15 | blakess | Well, create and update users SIP / IAX in console is easy to me |
| 18:12.31 | [TK]D-Fender | So what does ARI have to do with creating "SIP users"? |
| 18:12.50 | blakess | Just update a file and reload the asterisk or the function |
| 18:13.11 | Samot | Can they manage their voicemail? |
| 18:13.19 | blakess | I Imagine, maybe...I Dont know, I could do the same in a GUI pretty simple |
| 18:13.22 | Samot | Because that's more than updating a file and reloading Asterisk. |
| 18:13.30 | blakess | No!!! |
| 18:13.35 | blakess | Nothing of that |
| 18:13.48 | Samot | So this isn't for the users? |
| 18:14.36 | blakess | Why cant be for a user? |
| 18:15.13 | Samot | Well as a user I'd like to manage my voicemail. |
| 18:15.47 | blakess | You dont going to have that... |
| 18:15.55 | blakess | =/ |
| 18:16.12 | Samot | What would I have? |
| 18:16.27 | blakess | You can think in voicemail, when doesnt start with a user |
| 18:16.51 | Samot | Are you doing this to provide service to people? |
| 18:17.05 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, You have not said one single thing about how your solution is going to be different in the end. You keep saying "simple" You have failed to say anything about HOW it it is going to be simpler for anyone |
| 18:17.29 | blakess | repeat "create and update users SIP / IAX" (for the moment) |
| 18:17.43 | blakess | Yes... |
| 18:17.55 | [TK]D-Fender | WE HAVE THAT ALREADY |
| 18:18.00 | [TK]D-Fender | that isn't a PROBLEM |
| 18:18.09 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> Step 1: define the problem |
| 18:18.09 | [TK]D-Fender | <[TK]D-Fender> Darnit, stuck on step 1 again! |
| 18:18.26 | blakess | Well Fender, thats the point, and you dont understand |
| 18:18.33 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX LETS you make them RIGHT NOW. How iis your's supposed to be BETTER? |
| 18:18.43 | blakess | I wanna make this by a GUI |
| 18:18.50 | [TK]D-Fender | YOU don't understand you said you didn't want to use it because you thought it was too complex somehow |
| 18:18.52 | blakess | I never said this will be better!! |
| 18:18.57 | [TK]D-Fender | and you can't tell us HOW. |
| 18:19.06 | [TK]D-Fender | How is YOURS going to be SIMPLER? |
| 18:19.12 | Samot | I think the point we're trying to make is, why build a GUI when there are existing ones that do the basics already? |
| 18:19.17 | [TK]D-Fender | SIMPLER <- |
| 18:19.20 | blakess | FreePBX, in my opinion, has too many options |
| 18:19.26 | [TK]D-Fender | Why is someone going to choose YOUR GUI? |
| 18:19.29 | Samot | Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel when you're not doing anything new. |
| 18:19.40 | Samot | OK, so turn off the ones you don't want. |
| 18:19.44 | Samot | Asterisk has many options. |
| 18:19.47 | [TK]D-Fender | <blakess> FreePBX, in my opinion, has too many options <- Who says you need rthem all. How is having more and not needing them BAD? |
| 18:19.53 | [TK]D-Fender | You are failing to show a PROBLEM |
| 18:20.33 | [TK]D-Fender | My car may have cruise control and I may never use it. Am I going to start BUILDING cars just to have one that doesn't have it at all as an option? |
| 18:20.36 | Samot | See I have an Asterisk server that handles all the SIP trunking PEERs from customers PBXes... |
| 18:21.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Having it as an option does not change how I drive |
| 18:21.19 | Samot | But the people that need to add Inbound Routes for DIDs to route to those trunks, don't understand Asterisk via configs and command line.. |
| 18:21.25 | Samot | So I used FreePBX. |
| 18:21.45 | [TK]D-Fender | So your idea of a GUI with some options (you haven't even said WHICH) you think are unimportant removed... doesn't change that there is a product that still does what everyone else already needs |
| 18:21.48 | Samot | Turned off all the stuff I didn't need... |
| 18:21.57 | Samot | Wrote custom dialplan to handle what I wanted... |
| 18:22.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Again, why would someone choose YOURS? |
| 18:22.16 | [TK]D-Fender | Is what way is it btter/simpler/etc. |
| 18:22.22 | [TK]D-Fender | How would you do it DIFFERENTLY? |
| 18:22.31 | Samot | And now they can add inbound routes and trunks via the instructions I gave them. |
| 18:24.11 | blakess | Yeah samot, I have a similar problem with some clients |
| 18:24.22 | Samot | FreePBX can solve that. |
| 18:24.27 | Samot | If you need a GUI there are options. |
| 18:24.37 | Samot | Why waste time and resources to do something that exists? |
| 18:26.23 | blakess | Because, I wanna see if can do it, but I dont know in which programing language |
| 18:26.30 | blakess | If I see i lost my time |
| 18:26.37 | blakess | Im going to trash that |
| 18:27.09 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, What do you think the language even MATTERS? |
| 18:27.30 | [TK]D-Fender | Blake when you're don you will be creating configs for *, which you say you already understand |
| 18:27.42 | [TK]D-Fender | the language you build one in DOESN'T MATTER |
| 18:27.47 | [TK]D-Fender | The user doesn';t see your code. |
| 18:27.53 | [TK]D-Fender | so even asking about it is pointless |
| 18:27.57 | [TK]D-Fender | make in C++ |
| 18:27.59 | [TK]D-Fender | WHO CARES> |
| 18:28.03 | blakess | Really?? I know that bro |
| 18:28.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Make it in PHP. |
| 18:28.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Make it in Python |
| 18:28.43 | [TK]D-Fender | In the end you are generating * configs so how does the language MATTER? |
| 18:28.58 | [TK]D-Fender | So use whatever you know how to USE |
| 18:29.03 | blakess | But I dont know which is better, for documentation, how its works |
| 18:29.15 | [TK]D-Fender | Because C++ can generate a stupid config file for * as well as BASH |
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| 18:29.22 | [TK]D-Fender | There is no such thing as BETTER |
| 18:29.31 | [TK]D-Fender | WHat are you ahving trouble understanding? |
| 18:29.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Who is going to SEE your code? |
| 18:29.42 | [TK]D-Fender | Who is going to EDIT it? |
| 18:29.51 | [TK]D-Fender | How SKILLED are you epxcting them to be? |
| 18:29.55 | [TK]D-Fender | Is this a WEB GUI? |
| 18:30.00 | [TK]D-Fender | Is this a COMPILED APP GUI? |
| 18:30.08 | [TK]D-Fender | You are have not DEFINED the goal |
| 18:30.31 | [TK]D-Fender | You keep saying "GUI", but that doesn't even IMPLY that's it's web-based |
| 18:30.41 | [TK]D-Fender | YYou have not defined your goal. |
| 18:30.50 | [TK]D-Fender | How many people can program in "C" and recompile? |
| 18:31.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Are THOSE the people you'd expect to use yours and recompile? |
| 18:31.30 | [TK]D-Fender | If the decision for the programming language is what you are stuck on then you have NO IDEA who you are making this for |
| 18:32.53 | [TK]D-Fender | "I want a GUI that some random web-dev could probably hack" = PHP, Perl, Python |
| 18:33.44 | [TK]D-Fender | "I want a compiled product that NO-ONE is going to mod except me, or requires direct compiled modules for *" = a COMPILED language most likely |
| 18:34.27 | [TK]D-Fender | "Rebel Without A Clue" |
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| 18:44.57 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, http://pastebin.com/stSGAhub |
| 18:45.03 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, in case you missed any of it |
| 18:45.39 | blakess | ahhhhh |
| 18:45.45 | blakess | I hate my internet |
| 18:45.50 | homeuser | [TK]D-Fender: hey, thanks a lot exten => 100,1,Dial(SIP/fred) is basically what i needed, and it is working now. and you also wrote it liek 3 times, i apologize for that, but i didn't grasp that it was code for the extensions.conf since it didt match my then known syntax |
| 18:45.52 | blakess | sorry, I miss everything |
| 18:47.36 | blakess | Okay |
| 18:47.43 | [TK]D-Fender | blakess, that PB has it |
| 18:47.44 | blakess | No Fender, I dont need that |
| 18:47.52 | blakess | Yeah I read it |
| 18:48.16 | blakess | Just I need, how can I say.......The "road" (I hate my english) |
| 18:48.38 | [TK]D-Fender | If you're a programmer this also shouldn't even be a question |
| 18:48.47 | [TK]D-Fender | You are creating a tool to configure *. |
| 18:49.04 | [TK]D-Fender | If you know what it should create then you should know what those pieces should look like |
| 18:49.27 | blakess | Yeah, my idea is just start building a webGUI to do too small things, like I said before, just for example create users IAX and SIP, hust for the start |
| 18:49.52 | blakess | if I see this easy and I can Learned quick Maybe I can do more things |
| 18:50.44 | blakess | I always ask about which programing language could be better ( I think if is web, maybe I could use PHP or C# for example) |
| 18:50.46 | [TK]D-Fender | If you're a qualified programmer then this shouldn't be a question at all |
| 18:50.52 | blakess | But, I dont know about documentation |
| 18:50.55 | blakess | to do this |
| 18:51.03 | blakess | Just I need something of that |
| 18:51.07 | blakess | Nothing more |
| 18:51.17 | blakess | I explain me better?? |
| 18:51.17 | [TK]D-Fender | If you know the fields required for a SIP peer how hard is it to make some sort of screen a user can pick & choose / fill in for that? |
| 18:51.23 | [TK]D-Fender | how is this HARD? |
| 18:51.27 | [TK]D-Fender | You're a prgrammer, right? |
| 18:51.45 | [TK]D-Fender | Make a screen for them to fill this in |
| 18:51.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Why is this a QUESTION? |
| 18:52.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Shove a bunch of fields on their screen somehow |
| 18:52.16 | [TK]D-Fender | THE END |
| 18:52.22 | blakess | PHP have libraries to interact with asterisk for example? |
| 18:52.27 | [TK]D-Fender | (after generating configs to reflect their work) |
| 18:52.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Do they? |
| 18:52.42 | [TK]D-Fender | to do WHAT? |
| 18:52.52 | [TK]D-Fender | Again, you're asking about "stuff" ... with NO GOAL |
| 18:53.58 | [TK]D-Fender | You can bet for every library anybody ever made for any aspect of * in PHP there is also one in other languages. |
| 18:54.23 | [TK]D-Fender | And who says you need ANYTHING that would even vaguely require use of an API that would benefit from it? |
| 18:55.05 | blakess | I asking about ALL of this... |
| 18:55.14 | blakess | I dont know... |
| 18:55.14 | [TK]D-Fender | <blakess> PHP have libraries to interact with asterisk for example? <-. Vague Meaningless. No definition. Says nothing. |
| 18:55.17 | [TK]D-Fender | INTERACT HOW? |
| 18:55.26 | [TK]D-Fender | You don't seem to have a GOAL |
| 18:55.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Go find out what you actually want to do. |
| 18:56.03 | [TK]D-Fender | Because your description (or complete lack thereof) is telling us you have no idea what you want to do and why. |
| 18:59.02 | blakess | well dont worry |
| 18:59.18 | blakess | I finally find the road |
| 18:59.43 | blakess | Yeah Im going to use php |
| 19:00.22 | [TK]D-Fender | Well at least you've made a descision on that |
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| 19:20.12 | [TK]D-Fender | I wouldn't call that a road. Just a choice of brand of wheel. |
| 19:20.31 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm sure they'll roll every bit as much as any other |
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| 21:12.29 | paule32 | hello |
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| 21:12.51 | paule32 | i have download compile and install the webgui |
| 21:13.08 | paule32 | but i can't open it in browser |
| 21:13.35 | paule32 | i do: http://localhost:8088/manager |
| 21:14.08 | paule32 | and a blank Not Found site welcomes me - signed with "Asterisk Server" |
| 21:14.13 | paule32 | so, what? |
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| 21:56.36 | WIMPy | So what? |
| 21:57.05 | WIMPy | But for support with GUIs you need to find thesupport channel for the GUI you installed. |
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| 22:26.47 | Samot | I think there's been too much GUI talk in here today and it's making WIMPy...GRUMPy. |
| 22:27.39 | WIMPy | didn't read her until 20 lines above. |
| 22:30.25 | WIMPy | Which technically was yesterday for me :-) |
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