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19:19.39igcewielingheh:  //TODO: write function which tears a hole in the time-space continuum, for now return false
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20:01.04Demon_VoIPTell me plz 88 threads and 5346 taskprocessors are normal for asterisk 13.7 with pjsip?
20:03.24Demon_VoIPIs there a method to analize what utilized CPU?
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20:25.35SamotYou can run the 'top' command
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20:27.24Demon_VoIPSamot, I know. It is "asterisk".
20:27.52SamotWhat does 'w' return?
21:16.53DanQuinneynot really an Asterisk question, but what software do people use for VoIP fraud detection - or do you roll your own?
21:19.57[TK]D-FenderIt's clearly specific to whatever you are doing it for
21:20.17[TK]D-FenderWhatever is analyzing this needs to see the call frequency, target #'s, etc
21:20.24[TK]D-Fenderso that depends on each solutions' logging
21:25.40SamotI do the bulk of mine in Kamailio
21:26.27SamotI use the SIP domain support in Asterisk to not allow the IP of the server to not be a "hosted" domain.
21:28.01igcewielingDanQuinney: some carriers have fraud detection, I use that, plus some custom fraud detection using AGIs.
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21:33.59DanQuinneyI've looked into machine learning to do per call checks on destination number, frequency of calls, time of call etc - I was just wondering what else was around.
21:34.26DanQuinneyTo save me writing something else
21:35.59SamotI use Kamailio for that, it's not that hard to do.
21:36.40mfrDanQuinney, msyql with blacklist and opensips that can parse information the package. If a prefix, User-Agent, IP that is malicious the system drop call and feeds the blacklist. Maybe asterisk too.
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21:36.56SamotNo.
21:37.01SamotThat's not what Asterisk does.
21:37.30SamotThat's why you use Kamailio (or OpenSIPS) + Asterisk.
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21:44.35DanQuinneyHence why I asked in here as we'll as the kamailio channel :) I wasn't thinking of implementing this in Askerisk. It was to try and get suggestions from folks not in #kamailio
21:45.19mfrsee tfps sippulse
21:47.19mfrI think asterisk cannot do much for it
21:48.28DanQuinneyIndeed. Certainly a task for the sbc
21:49.18SamotYup, I use the dialog module for that.
21:49.47SamotTrack and manage the dialog's.
21:52.27SamotUse the group modules to compare digits sent and if the user has the privileges for those digits sent
21:53.15igcewielingDanQuinney: We set a maximum cost per month per account and various pre-billing amounts per call.
21:53.33DanQuinneywe do that too igcewieling
21:54.02DanQuinneybut still wanted to look into proactive fraud prevention
21:54.20igcewielingheh, secure your pbxs and routers.  ta da!
21:54.45DanQuinneyshame customers don't keep their passwords secure ;)
21:54.57DanQuinneythen we wouldn't need to do anything ;)
21:58.15Samotgroups module
21:58.19Samotdialog module
21:58.55igcewielingDanQuinney: I see about 1 fraud incident per month from customer equipment at most.    No incidents in many months from our own equipment:, 200 or so routers and 70 freepbx boxes
21:59.31igcewielingBy default, international calling is blocked, I'm sure that helps a lot.
21:59.41SamotYou're in the US?
21:59.45igcewielingyes.
21:59.47DanQuinneyah - that'll help a lot igcewieling
21:59.49SamotDo you block most of the NANP?
22:00.01igcewielingSamot: no, we block international by default.
22:00.22SamotOK, the CLEC saw the highest fraud to high cost NANP destinations.
22:00.28SamotWhy? Because it was NANP.
22:00.30igcewielingSM_INTL_REGEX=^011|^1684|^1264|^1268|^1242|^1246|^1441|^1284|^1345|^1767|^1809|^1829|^1849|^1473|^1671|^1876|^1664|^1670|^1869|^1758|^1784|^1721|^1868|^1649
22:00.48SamotThose are not "International" outside of the 011.
22:00.52SamotThe rest is NANP.
22:01.20igcewielingIt bills like an international call, so it is an international call.
22:01.44SamotSo is Alaska and Hawaii.
22:01.56igcewielingSamot: no, they are not.
22:02.03SamotSigh.
22:02.06SamotHow are they not?
22:02.13igcewielingnot from our carriers, at least.
22:02.21SamotHow is PR not NANP but Alaska is?
22:02.35SamotWhen the latter costs more than the former.
22:02.48igcewielingSamot: calls to PR are billed by our carriers as international.  It's not complicated.
22:02.53SamotOK.
22:04.04igcewielingthe notes associated with the regex:  http://pastebin.com/QZB50nR6
22:04.44SamotI can't understand why YOU wouldn't treat Alaska, Hawaii, North West Territories and such as the same..
22:04.54SamotSince they cost more than most Caribbean calls.
22:09.30SamotMy end users have to enable the calling privilege to call those areas. Which forces them to accept the fact these are high costs areas and they are responsible for any costs to them.
22:09.38igcewielingI don't know if we bill customers more for Alaska or Hawaii.
22:10.06igcewielingI doubt we pay blended rates, but we bill as blended rates.
22:10.11SamotIt's like $0.15-$0.18 for Hawaii...
22:10.16SamotCost.
22:10.45SamotAlmost $.30 (or more) for Alaska and the Canadian territories.
22:10.50igcewielingSamot: If I could find anywhere on our cost sheets where AK and HI are broken out from "Domestic Toll" I could look it up and confirm.
22:11.30SamotJust like with people that have toll frees..
22:11.35SamotYou want to take calls from those areas..
22:11.44SamotYou have to enable the privilege..
22:11.56SamotBecause that cost is now just reversed.
22:13.35igcewielingIf a customer REALLY wants to block calls to specific area codes, we can do that.  We don not do that by default.  Ever.
22:14.32SamotI look at what it will cost ME.
22:14.45SamotAnd based on that what freedoms the end users will have
22:14.46igcewielingI don't really care how you do it.
22:14.50DanQuinneyWe block all calls with a cpm of £0.25 or more
22:14.52igcewielingor even that you do it.
22:14.57SamotOK.
22:15.32DanQuinneyBut allow users to ask for it to be increased
22:15.40igcewielingI simply answered Dan's question and provided our international calling regex for him.
22:15.47SamotOK.
22:16.00DanQuinneyI'd still feel bad for them if they increased it and then they got hit my fraud
22:16.15DanQuinneys/my/by/
22:16.30igcewielingDanQuinney: in the USA we have the same fixed per min cost for almost all domestic calls.   We also don't have Caller Pays.
22:16.33DanQuinneyThanks infobot
22:16.33infobotde rien, DanQuinney
22:16.43Samot???
22:16.46SamotToll Free.
22:16.58igcewielingI said "almost".
22:17.17igcewielingespecially since I didn't see anything about toll free from Dan.
22:17.23SamotNo.
22:18.00SamotDanQuinney: If you're already running Kamailio, you can do this pretty quick and easy in there.
22:18.10DanQuinneyWe have freephone numbers, they're just not an issue for us.
22:18.55DanQuinneyWe are indeed Samot, ill certainly look at the modules you pointed out
22:19.00igcewielingDanQuinney: retail phone call pricing is very simple in the USA.
22:19.31drmessanoSamot: Really, shouldn't we focus on more important things.. like banning Call Waiting
22:19.57SamotLol.
22:20.00DanQuinneyAs in the U.K. Until you get into premium numbers and stupid 08 numbers
22:20.16drmessanoSamot: I even have a button for it
22:20.28drmessanoSamot: Looks like 🖕
22:20.38igcewielingDanQuinney: under most plans it costs the exact same to call 500 miles as it does 1500 miles if the call stays in USA.  I'm excluding special rate numbers.
22:20.54SamotDanQuinney: group module lets you assign what "groups" you want the user to be in, you make the groups. Just do a compare on the digits and look to see if they belong in that group.
22:21.08igcewielingthe SAME applies to mobile phones.
22:21.21drmessanoUntil the wall is built
22:21.30drmessanoI heard calls will have to go around it
22:21.38igcewielingdrmessano: Moved under a bridge?
22:21.55igcewielingyou never looked trollish to me before.
22:22.23drmessanoNever?
22:22.49DanQuinneySamot: it seems a little basic, that won't prevent fraud, if they've been given access to a group, id like to look into the machine learning and dynamicly determine if a call should be allowed (in addition to cpm and cpc checks)
22:22.58SamotDanQuinney: You can use the dialog module to track dialogs based on various factors, from domain, from user, to user, to domain, etc. Stores it in memory.
22:23.34SamotSo you can track calls from user A to destination X
22:23.53SamotAnd if it's a high costs destination, you can say "There's no reason for A to have 6 calls to X at once"
22:24.00SamotPerhaps one.
22:24.17SamotSo anymore than Y is denied.
22:24.48drmessanoI remember someone had a really nice SaaS that worked with Asterisk
22:25.06SamotDanQuinney: My process goes from checking the source IP, to the UA, to the F-URI, T-URI, R-URIs, to the digits presented to the privileges the user has and even the costs of the destinations.
22:25.08drmessanoYou could install it, and it would send your CDRs to their app
22:25.19drmessanoIt would process for fraud and send alerts
22:25.35SamotAnd global blacklists
22:25.38drmessanoIdea was that it was pooling and analyzing EVERYONES data looking for patterns
22:25.40SamotUser based blacklists
22:25.57Samotif they are channelized, if they have available channels..
22:26.11DanQuinneyWe use global blacklist to deny calls to an industry blacklist
22:27.20SamotI also have alerts that fire off if I see a high call volume to high costs areas.
22:27.38drmessanohttp://www.humbuglabs.org/
22:27.43SamotI know how much International/high cost traffic I do on average.
22:27.46drmessanoBut they look dead-ish
22:28.00SamotBased on that, I have limits in place.
22:29.45drmessanoI wonder if anyone else is doing something similar
22:29.46SamotThat's not a bad idea. It's what I do with my CDRs in a way.
22:30.04SamotI review the call patterns every month.
22:32.22drmessanoSeriously though, call waiting
22:34.44SamotYou need to block it?
22:34.46DanQuinneyWhat's wrong with call waiting?
22:34.47SamotUse the time icon.
22:35.00drmessanoDanQuinney: Small inside joke
22:35.05DanQuinneyAh
22:36.39SamotLike drmessano's penis.
22:36.45SamotOOOO
22:37.02drmessanoHmmm
22:37.34drmessanoI'm not the one that's been telling my wife for years "No, that was my thumb that time too"
22:41.14SamotYou're neighbor's been telling her that?
22:41.53drmessano"Your"
22:42.28SamotDid you borrow his lawnmower?
22:44.56drmessanoI'm not sure where this is going, but i'm going to help you shave your wife again
22:45.21drmessanoMy tractor is still making that funny noise
22:45.35SamotI told you...
22:45.48SamotYou have to make sure you get all of the dead hooker out of the axles.
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22:46.54SamotOr you end up with that sound like you did when you put playing cards in your bike spokes as a kid.
22:47.59SamotYou know what.
22:48.03SamotI'm sorry drmessano.
22:48.19SamotI shouldn't be teasing you like this. Not after that horrible and awful attack in Atlanta.
22:48.35drmessanos/attack/massacre/
22:48.44Samot#NeverRemember
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22:50.36SamotWhere there vigils over the weekend?
22:50.44SamotWas it a somber mood?
22:50.54drmessanoIts hard to talk about
22:51.00Samots/Where/Were/
22:51.04drmessanoStill.. so raw
22:51.07Samoti understand.
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22:51.28SamotThis is a time for unity.
22:52.06drmessanoKellyanne is really helping the healing
22:52.23drmessanoNot sure where we would be without her
22:53.21SamotOh is she making you feel better and helping you move on by selling you Ivanka's merch line?
22:56.32drmessanoIt's just so... well crafted
22:56.52SamotAnd it's made in Gina.
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23:14.30eiler_I am having trouble receiving fax t.38 over sip on asterisk 1.8
23:14.56eiler_Incoming fax fails with T1_TIMEOUT.
23:16.50[TK]D-Fender1.8 is no longer supported.  13 is the only full-support release
23:18.42eiler_I am aware that the installation is a bit outdated, so I tried installing Asterisk 13 and using spandsp for fax
23:19.02eiler_Unfortunately same result
23:19.47SamotDo you have the peer setup for t38?
23:20.42eiler_I believe so
23:21.24SamotWhat did you do?
23:21.33SamotShow your peer, mask any secrets.
23:21.36Samot~pb
23:21.36infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
23:21.44eiler_masking 2 sec
23:22.27eiler_[my-sip-peer]
23:22.27eiler_type=friend
23:22.29eiler_secret=<hidden>
23:22.30eiler_username=<hidden>
23:22.32eiler_host=sip.nettel.dk
23:22.33eiler_fromuser=<hidden>
23:22.35eiler_fromdomain=nettel.dk
23:22.36eiler_context=incoming
23:22.37SamotSTOP
23:22.38eiler_canreinvite=no
23:22.38SamotNo.
23:22.39eiler_ignoresdpversion=yes
23:22.41eiler_insecure=invite,port
23:22.42eiler_dtmfmode=rfc2833
23:22.44eiler_qualify=yes
23:22.45eiler_t38pt_udptl = yes
23:22.47eiler_disallow=all
23:22.48eiler_allow=alaw
23:22.49eiler_allow=ulaw
23:22.50SamotThat's why I gave you the pastebin link...
23:22.50eiler_A sorry
23:23.07eiler_http://pastebin.com/GE48cKnL
23:23.47SamotEven in 1.8, username is replaced with defaultuser
23:23.57Samotcanreinvite is replaced with directmedia
23:24.21SamotNow, does your provider support t.38?
23:25.06eiler_They claim to be. I get an invite with T.38 info
23:25.14SamotShow it.
23:25.18Samotasterisk -rvvvvv
23:25.21Samotsip set debug on
23:25.24Samotsend a fax.
23:25.31SamotThis time PASTEBIN the results.
23:26.32eiler_ok.
23:29.43eiler_http://pastebin.com/qgR4ti4K
23:30.00eiler_This is from an hour or so ago
23:31.47eiler_I think the issue has something to do with “Got T.38 Re-invite without audio. Keeping RTP active during T.38 session.” followed by “Have T.38 but no audio, accepting offer anyway”
23:32.07eiler_I am not sure if I need to add something to my setup to support “m=image"
23:33.30SamotUhm..
23:33.43Samot6:22:38 PM <eiler_> ignoresdpversion=yes
23:33.52Samot^ get rid of that.
23:34.02eiler_ok.
23:35.01eiler_so I replace “canreinvite=no” with “directmedia=no”, remove the “ignoresdpversion=yes” and replace “username” with “defaultusername”
23:35.08eiler_and give it another go
23:35.35Samotsure and also
23:35.38Samotcore set debug 0
23:35.49SamotThat's just a bunch of extra crap that isn't needed
23:36.01eiler_ok
23:36.03SamotVerbose and the SIP debug is all that is needed
23:36.13SamotBecause this is a t.38 call all the way through.
23:42.42eiler_http://pastebin.com/PD4VUS0g
23:43.06eiler_ah. forgot verbose, will redo
23:45.52eiler_http://pastebin.com/t1gp6fkE
23:46.08eiler_with core debug off, verbose 6 and sip debug on
23:47.11eiler_now I get an error initializing the t.38 mode
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