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| 04:51.48 | P2E | greetings, programs |
| 04:55.25 | P2E | so, I'm new to asterisk, I've never run it, I've never installed it, none of that, trying to figure out if it would fit my needs for a special project |
| 04:57.14 | P2E | I think the simplest way to explain my project is: POTS/CO emulator |
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| 04:59.32 | Samot | What do you want to emulate? |
| 05:00.27 | P2E | Samot: I want to plug a pile of computers into phone jacks, and have at least a passable imitation of a real phone system. IE. provide them dialtone, let them dial eachother, ring the other end, give them the opportunity to answer, that sort of thing |
| 05:00.53 | Samot | Well.. |
| 05:00.57 | Samot | You need Asterisk.. |
| 05:01.12 | Samot | And then you can you ATA/Gateway devices to connect the analog phones to it. |
| 05:01.22 | Samot | Not sure why you need to have a bunch of computers. |
| 05:01.25 | P2E | I realise I'll need asterisk to use asterisk. but is it capable of doing all that? |
| 05:01.43 | Samot | It's a B2BAU |
| 05:01.57 | Samot | Part of it's job is to have a bunch of devices connect to it. |
| 05:02.00 | P2E | I want to give people an authentic experience of one computer calling another. that's why the computers. |
| 05:02.16 | Samot | So like Skype? |
| 05:02.24 | Samot | Noting like POTS/CO |
| 05:02.32 | Samot | s/Noting/Nothing |
| 05:02.53 | P2E | er. |
| 05:02.58 | P2E | I'm not sure what you mean "like skype" |
| 05:03.02 | Samot | Well. |
| 05:03.14 | Samot | Why does my computer need to call your computer? |
| 05:03.24 | P2E | that's not important. |
| 05:03.29 | Samot | Sure it is. |
| 05:03.41 | Samot | If I don't know why, I can't offer advice. |
| 05:03.48 | P2E | ok, I'll go into detail |
| 05:04.22 | P2E | I have computer 1. it's a 386. it has a 14.4kbps modem. and then I have computer 2. it's a commodore 64 with a 1200bps modem. |
| 05:04.29 | Samot | Please do. It will make it easier to offer suggestions. |
| 05:04.34 | P2E | I want to plug them into two phone jacks that have assigned phone numbers. |
| 05:05.00 | Samot | Phone jacks, as in your wall? |
| 05:05.01 | P2E | I want to sit at the 386, start telix (or procomm or whatever), and then start comms on the commodore 64. |
| 05:05.27 | P2E | I want to type ATDT5551212 into one, an example of a phone number on my "emulated POTS" |
| 05:05.43 | Samot | Where do the phone jacks connect to? |
| 05:05.45 | P2E | I want the other to receive a ring and be able to answer. |
| 05:05.47 | Samot | a POTS line? |
| 05:06.04 | P2E | the phone jacks would, ideally, connect to an asterisk system, and not the outside world. at all. |
| 05:06.09 | Samot | OK |
| 05:06.22 | P2E | I want to pretend I am the phone company for this small cluster of computers. |
| 05:06.25 | P2E | hence, emulate. |
| 05:06.26 | Samot | So you would have 386 PC Modem to ATA |
| 05:06.35 | Samot | And com 64 modem to ATA |
| 05:06.45 | Samot | You can even just have one ATA, it's got two lines. |
| 05:06.58 | Samot | Each of those lines connect to asterisk as "extensions" via SIP |
| 05:07.29 | Samot | 386 modem sends call to ATA, ATA sends call to Asterisk, Asterisk sends call to other line on ATA and to the other modem. |
| 05:08.26 | P2E | ok. and this is possible with asterisk, I just have to write all the scripts to imitate a CO, or has someone already done that part? |
| 05:09.54 | Samot | Well |
| 05:10.05 | Samot | You have to setup Asterisk. |
| 05:10.09 | Samot | Then program the ATAs. |
| 05:10.23 | Samot | At that point you basically have two "hot" lines that can give you tone. |
| 05:10.32 | Samot | What you plug into them, that's up to you. |
| 05:11.04 | P2E | of the protocols asterisk supports, I won't have issue getting a modem connection to the other end, will I? |
| 05:11.33 | Samot | OK.. |
| 05:11.41 | P2E | er |
| 05:11.44 | Samot | You'll install Asterisk on a server... |
| 05:11.45 | P2E | codecs, sorry. |
| 05:11.50 | Samot | You'll buy an ATA |
| 05:12.03 | Samot | You'll connect that ATA to Asterisk via SIP. |
| 05:12.03 | P2E | the audio/connection quality is of concern with that question |
| 05:12.22 | Samot | You can adjust the ATA settings to support data over voice... |
| 05:12.41 | Samot | Turning off things like echo cancellation, etc. |
| 05:12.57 | Samot | Then the ATA will accept modem tones a lot better, like it was faxing.. |
| 05:13.06 | Samot | Because that's how people fax over VoIP |
| 05:13.08 | Samot | Same concept. |
| 05:15.55 | P2E | ok. is the SPA1x2 my best route, or are there cheaper ATAs available? |
| 05:20.37 | P2E | I see that and the handytone 702 as my cheapest two options from searching a tad |
| 05:25.59 | Samot | For what you want to do SPA112 is the option. |
| 05:26.08 | Samot | Well documented and well supported |
| 05:26.26 | Samot | Also well tested as far as handling alarms, faxes, etc. |
| 05:26.40 | Samot | So doing stuff with modems, it's pretty decent. |
| 05:26.54 | P2E | just making sure I properly interpret you saying "the" option as in pretty much the only one worth pursuing? |
| 05:27.07 | Samot | Yeah. |
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| 05:27.16 | P2E | ok. thanks =] |
| 05:27.19 | Samot | IMO, the SPA ATAs are the bar for other ATAs. |
| 05:27.24 | P2E | I'll give that a lookup now |
| 05:28.01 | P2E | I see a lot of SPA122s mixed in with the 112s, I'm guessing I should avoid those (but not sure why)? |
| 05:30.29 | drmessano | 122 is a router too |
| 05:30.33 | drmessano | You dont want that |
| 05:31.25 | P2E | got it. |
| 05:31.34 | P2E | sorry for the rather noobish questions here |
| 05:32.01 | P2E | once I've got stuff in my hands I'll [probably] be a lot better at getting things going |
| 05:32.23 | P2E | just wanted to make sure this was even feasible, and I wasn't going to regret going out and buying gear etc |
| 05:32.31 | Samot | Once you have the Asterisk server setup... |
| 05:32.50 | Samot | You can use ATAs or other FXS Gateways to connect to it via SIP |
| 05:33.18 | Samot | Once you have the SIP account registered, like I said, you have a "hot" port on the device. |
| 05:33.59 | Samot | Granted, the ATA/Gateway will generate tone without the SIP account registered. It's part of what they do. |
| 05:34.57 | P2E | FXS means the device provides (serves) voltage and FXO means it does not, correct? |
| 05:41.19 | drmessano | There's much more to it |
| 05:41.34 | drmessano | But FXS is a for a station.. FXO is for the office. |
| 05:41.54 | P2E | ok. but since I don't need to connect to the outside world, I don't need to worry about an FXO right? |
| 05:41.56 | Samot | The jack on the back of an analog phone.. |
| 05:41.58 | Samot | FXO |
| 05:42.02 | drmessano | Correct |
| 05:42.08 | drmessano | You dont need an ATA with an FXO port |
| 05:42.11 | drmessano | Just FXS |
| 05:42.13 | Samot | No. |
| 05:42.16 | Samot | Correct. |
| 05:42.19 | drmessano | SPA112 |
| 05:42.21 | P2E | ok. so the SPA122 is an ATA with 2 FXS ports. |
| 05:42.23 | P2E | er |
| 05:42.24 | P2E | 112 |
| 05:42.25 | Samot | FXS = standard wall jack |
| 05:42.38 | drmessano | Dude, you asked which device |
| 05:42.39 | Samot | Yes. |
| 05:42.42 | drmessano | Explained the need |
| 05:42.45 | drmessano | SPA112 |
| 05:42.51 | drmessano | You have 2 computers |
| 05:42.58 | drmessano | We suggested a 2 port device |
| 05:42.58 | Samot | It has 2 lines |
| 05:43.01 | drmessano | It's that simple |
| 05:43.07 | P2E | I'm asking to affirm the knowledge I've hammered into my head. |
| 05:43.15 | P2E | I'm learning =] |
| 05:43.38 | Samot | That's also why I suggested that device. |
| 05:43.44 | Samot | It's well _documented_ |
| 05:44.01 | drmessano | and it has 2 ports |
| 05:44.03 | Samot | Plenty of _documentation_ to learn from. |
| 05:44.03 | drmessano | FXS |
| 05:44.07 | Samot | Well yeah |
| 05:44.11 | drmessano | Which is what you asked.. |
| 05:44.18 | drmessano | So... based on that |
| 05:44.24 | P2E | ok, ok, don't run me off =P |
| 05:44.47 | Samot | Well |
| 05:44.50 | Samot | To be fair.. |
| 05:45.00 | Samot | I did originally say "ATA/Gateway" |
| 05:45.07 | Samot | With no brand specifics. |
| 05:45.17 | Samot | 1:20:35 AM P<P2E> I see that and the handytone 702 as my cheapest two options from searching a tad |
| 05:45.25 | Samot | ^^ But that, that made me say SPA 112 |
| 05:45.39 | Samot | Because, Handytone. |
| 05:45.45 | Samot | *shiver* |
| 05:45.52 | P2E | before today I've never even used these terms or experimented with asterisk or cared about voip hardware devices. |
| 05:47.02 | P2E | so once I get an ATA122 I will definitely _RTFM_ as you have _suggested_ =] |
| 05:47.23 | P2E | argh |
| 05:47.24 | P2E | 112 |
| 05:47.49 | P2E | sorry, I'm in the wrong time zone to be typing numbers right now |
| 05:47.56 | Samot | You know, I had a friend do something like this once. |
| 05:48.14 | Samot | Built a network of computers that could talk via modems to each other.. |
| 05:48.21 | P2E | oh? |
| 05:48.30 | Samot | I mean, it was 1987 but he did it. |
| 05:48.48 | P2E | oh. well, in 1987 I know how I would've done it. |
| 05:49.28 | Samot | So then why do you need Asterisk now? |
| 05:49.39 | Samot | You're basically deploying a 1987 solution. |
| 05:49.42 | P2E | because it's a more elegant solution with less hardware (I hope) =] |
| 05:49.59 | Samot | I'm not sure it's a "solution" any more. |
| 05:50.01 | P2E | also I can't generate dialtone. |
| 05:50.27 | P2E | I would need legit switching gear (more space, more money) |
| 05:50.39 | P2E | it turns into a big royal pain |
| 05:51.26 | Samot | But like, people don't really have modems any more. |
| 05:51.33 | Samot | Or know what to do with them. |
| 05:51.47 | P2E | it's a closed system. I have all the computers and all of them them have modems |
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| 05:53.40 | P2E | I'm not planning on inviting people to bring their computers with modems to a facility where they can use a fake POTS =] I'm inviting them to come use my computers with my modems on my POTS. |
| 05:54.24 | P2E | I just want to make sure that I can properly cause a fake POTS to exist, since I've got all the rest. |
| 05:54.33 | Samot | So.. |
| 05:54.38 | Samot | You're going to invite them over... |
| 05:54.47 | Samot | So they can get on computers to dial each other and talk? |
| 05:54.52 | Samot | While all in the same place |
| 05:55.09 | P2E | it would be something akin to a museum exhibit |
| 05:55.45 | Samot | So a lot of work with underwhelming payoff? |
| 05:56.03 | P2E | well....underwhelming to you, this much is clear |
| 05:56.04 | P2E | =] |
| 05:59.13 | drmessano | This is so well documented many times in 2600 it's nuts |
| 06:00.26 | P2E | I'm a bit taken aback at this SPA112 with....carrying case? on ebay |
| 06:01.01 | drmessano | Carrying case? |
| 06:01.08 | P2E | yes. a hardcase. |
| 06:01.14 | P2E | with foam padding |
| 06:01.15 | drmessano | Stay off ebat |
| 06:01.16 | drmessano | Stay off ebay |
| 06:01.29 | drmessano | Most ATA's on ebay are counterfeit |
| 06:01.33 | P2E | oh? are there chinese bootlegs I need to worr.... that. |
| 06:02.08 | drmessano | Are you in the US? |
| 06:02.15 | P2E | I am |
| 06:02.19 | drmessano | Amazon |
| 06:02.21 | drmessano | Dead simple |
| 06:02.30 | P2E | yeah, I see one prime for 38 bucks |
| 06:02.36 | drmessano | Yep |
| 06:03.45 | P2E | ok. gonna ask a few buddies if they have one on-hand before pulling the trigger, but thanks for the heads up |
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| 07:32.02 | hollabackatcha | my outbound call fails after 1 ring (this is the only error in the log) Missing SDP rtpmap for dynamic payload type |
| 07:32.18 | hollabackatcha | any ideas, i've tried every possible thing; can't get it to work |
| 07:32.43 | hollabackatcha | i have pstn gateway .. that's configured to route calls out |
| 07:33.01 | hollabackatcha | asterisk is running in docker |
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| 07:51.20 | yanek | Hello, is there a way to remove SIP specific headers (Diversion) in dialplan? sipremoveheaders works only on manual added ones.. :/ |
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| 08:31.28 | wdoekes | yanek: I don't think so. you may want to place a proxy (*ser) in between to do that |
| 08:35.26 | yanek | i've found global send_diversion option thats "solve" this issue, but it is ugly :( |
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| 09:40.19 | kkocaerkek | hi all. i am trying a scenario with kamailio and asterisk. how can i reply 500 server error from asterisk dialplan? |
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| 09:54.03 | wdoekes | kkocaerkek: with chan_sip, Hangup(127) should work |
| 09:54.28 | wdoekes | see `hangup_cause2sip` and include/asterisk/causes.h |
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| 16:48.31 | Samot | I'm just getting tired of people asking for advice, spending hours (or days), going over it with them. Telling them the best options or way to handle what they want to do. Then coming back with questions/asking for help and did nothing they were advised to do. At all. |
| 16:51.16 | Samot | He was told, in some detail, last not by myself and drmessano as to why the SPA112 was the best option for his little project. To come back and ask about devices that don't even compare to the SPA112 all because, free. Naw, that's just BS. |
| 16:51.28 | Samot | s/not/night/ |
| 16:52.29 | drmessano | Meh. |
| 16:52.36 | P2E | well, he's on a hell of a budget. |
| 16:52.49 | Samot | Who's "he"? |
| 16:53.27 | Samot | Last night this was a "museum" style home project. |
| 16:53.34 | [TK]D-Fender | P2E |
| 16:53.46 | P2E | oh. I thought we were switching to talking in the third person? |
| 16:53.52 | drmessano | Obviously this project isn't worth $38 to implement. So it's not worth my time to discuss further |
| 16:53.54 | [TK]D-Fender | P2E, Yuo man "expects free"? |
| 16:54.01 | [TK]D-Fender | ok/fine.sure/whatever |
| 16:54.31 | [TK]D-Fender | that ATA is ancient |
| 16:54.41 | [TK]D-Fender | So ... whatever. Go for it |
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| 16:55.06 | Samot | He wants to use Asterisk to 1987. |
| 16:55.07 | drmessano | P2E |
| 16:55.13 | drmessano | Let me give you some advice |
| 16:55.20 | drmessano | From an engineering standpoint |
| 16:55.51 | drmessano | Your project sounds fun. Using modems on old machines to play around with as sort of a "museum display" |
| 16:55.55 | drmessano | I get it |
| 16:55.58 | drmessano | But |
| 16:56.29 | drmessano | How well is that going to work on a 20 year old ATA with dried up components that may or may not be able to pass audio that well? |
| 16:56.33 | drmessano | Horribly |
| 16:56.43 | [TK]D-Fender | nah. Go for it. |
| 16:56.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Have fun. |
| 16:56.50 | drmessano | If you want a fighting chance for this to work, spend $38 on an ATA |
| 16:56.55 | [TK]D-Fender | If you don't like it, you know what to replace it with |
| 16:57.01 | P2E | Samot, drmessano: not that it's any of your business, but I'm $4k in the red from some medical bills, and I'm trying to do something fun and museum-like to lift my mood. so if I can accomplish something for free instead of dropping $40 on amazon, it's easier to ask a question and get an answer and have the crappier older device. last night we were comparing the ht702 to the cisco spa112. |
| 16:57.05 | [TK]D-Fender | let's all get on with our lives. |
| 16:57.25 | Samot | P2E: You can try it. |
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| 16:58.26 | drmessano | This reminds me of that time I went to the Circus and a clown killed my Dad. :( |
| 16:59.47 | P2E | I've at least done some research and found out I probably want to use g.711u |
| 16:59.54 | P2E | I've been reading. |
| 17:01.49 | P2E | I feel like I'm getting somewhere, which perhaps since you mess with this stuff every day you might think I'm not compared to your obvious prowess in this area. |
| 17:06.57 | drmessano | Not sure why you're assuming anyone is saying anything of the sort |
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| 18:17.50 | salviadud | I'm about to buy 2 fxo modules for a sangoma card, and I was wondering if I should add an echo cancellation card. |
| 18:19.57 | lorsungcu | Yes |
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| 18:21.52 | salviadud | lorsungcu: echo problems, are they common in fxs or fxo modules' |
| 18:21.57 | salviadud | maybe both? |
| 18:22.17 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 18:22.33 | salviadud | So, echo cancellation card, a must buy? |
| 18:22.45 | lorsungcu | Yes |
| 18:22.52 | [TK]D-Fender | It's an "if you know what's good for you...." |
| 18:23.05 | salviadud | I'll do it |
| 18:23.09 | salviadud | thanx guys. |
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| 20:18.54 | Micc | I need an ATA that I can use to make calls to an analog line. I'm pretty sure I've seen them before but I don't know what they're called off the top of my head. |
| 20:19.17 | Micc | This is so an asterisk instance running in a vm on site can have a backup 911 analog line. |
| 20:19.20 | Samot | They are called ATAs |
| 20:19.43 | Micc | but most ATA's are for hooking up analog phones to asterisk. |
| 20:19.56 | Samot | There are FXS and FXO devices. |
| 20:20.01 | Micc | I want to hookup an analog line and use the ATA as a gateway |
| 20:20.02 | Samot | And there are devices that do both. |
| 20:20.09 | Micc | thats it |
| 20:20.10 | Micc | thanks |
| 20:20.14 | Samot | The old SPA3102 ATA, that did it. |
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| 20:20.54 | Micc | does the obihai do it? |
| 20:21.00 | Samot | I don't know. |
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| 20:21.15 | Samot | You'll have to look at their site and see if they have one. |
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| 20:22.14 | Samot | I don't do a lot of things that require FXO so when I do, those are what I use. |
| 20:22.32 | Micc | yeah, I don't trust anything grandstream. |
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| 20:52.47 | Micc | Nice, I have an SPA232D in stock. |
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| 21:16.18 | drmessano | SPA232D? |
| 21:16.31 | drmessano | Interesting |
| 21:18.00 | drmessano | Oh my |
| 21:18.14 | drmessano | That's the DECT box. Nm |
| 21:18.19 | drmessano | I've seen that |
| 21:18.34 | Micc | I don't need to dect handset part, just the FXO, but I'll take it if it works. |
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