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| 08:26.02 | Ellenor | wonder where that 1983 guy is |
| 08:26.11 | Ellenor | i liked him >.> |
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| 09:43.19 | wyoung | ? |
| 09:43.32 | wyoung | The 1983 guy? |
| 09:43.55 | wyoung | WAs that his Date of Birtch of something? |
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| 11:11.15 | Ellenor | wyoung: was in his nick |
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| 11:14.57 | kchehab | i have a question related to how i can implement the better scenario in how to join a sip leg ex SIP/100 where it should wait an incoming call from a dongle |
| 11:15.56 | kchehab | ext 100 call an outbound number but my trunk send busy and send me the call as callback service |
| 11:16.26 | kchehab | i should join the two legs , so how can i do that using meetme or bridge |
| 11:33.57 | Samot | Ext 100 calls an outbound number and gets the error? |
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| 12:04.58 | _abc_ | Hello. SIP text chat question: When the sip call does not permit end2end communication, all goes through asterisk, does one have to enable something special to allow text chat over the existing connection? |
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| 12:08.36 | Samot | Yes. |
| 12:09.06 | Samot | Because Asterisk is a B2B so it's always in the middle. |
| 12:09.56 | Samot | You have to handle the message like you would any other call. |
| 12:10.08 | _abc_ | It's not always in the middle, it can be shunted out by direct rtp. How is test sent on SIP? SIP protocol or RTP? |
| 12:10.31 | Samot | Your phones connect to Asterisk. |
| 12:10.37 | Samot | Asterisk connects to your provider. |
| 12:10.44 | Samot | Therefore Asterisk is in the middle |
| 12:10.56 | _abc_ | Assume there is no provider. I never mentioned one. Asterisk is the provider. |
| 12:11.07 | Samot | OK |
| 12:11.08 | _abc_ | canreinvite=no in both configs |
| 12:11.13 | Samot | Your phones connect to Asterisk |
| 12:11.18 | Samot | Asterisk connects to X |
| 12:11.25 | Samot | Asterisk is still in the middle. |
| 12:11.41 | _abc_ | If canreinvite=yes, the phones end up talking to each other without * |
| 12:11.43 | Samot | canreinvite is for RTP |
| 12:11.50 | Samot | That has nothing to do with a TEXT message. |
| 12:11.55 | _abc_ | Yes, that's why I am asking how the TEXT travels. |
| 12:12.02 | _abc_ | Oh okay you answered it now. Thanks. |
| 12:12.10 | Samot | First, ALL the RTP goes through Asterisk. |
| 12:12.23 | Samot | canreinvite=yes means Asterisk will just proxy the RTP |
| 12:12.28 | Samot | That's it. |
| 12:12.29 | kchehab | Samot you were asking mr for ext 100 |
| 12:12.42 | Samot | The phones do not talk "directly" to each other. |
| 12:12.49 | Samot | They talk to Asterisk. |
| 12:13.22 | Samot | kchehad: I was just clarifying your issue. |
| 12:13.25 | _abc_ | I think things like forwarding and certain functions in * are not available in the call once reinvited? |
| 12:13.32 | kchehab | how can i join two channels to each other ? |
| 12:13.45 | Samot | _abc_: Asterisk is what all the parties TALK TO |
| 12:14.02 | Samot | Party A calls/sends a message.. |
| 12:14.05 | Samot | It goes to Asterisk. |
| 12:14.09 | kchehab | if i can get first channel value can i use bridge Bridge ( to join it |
| 12:14.14 | Samot | Asterisk decides what to do with it. |
| 12:14.26 | Samot | It may not even bother trying to send the call/message to a device. |
| 12:14.33 | Samot | Depending on what you've told it to do. |
| 12:15.01 | Samot | kchehab: I still don't know what you are trying to do. |
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| 12:20.46 | kchehab | Samot my outbound trunk is a callback trunk , when ext 100 call and outbound number , i send call to trunk then it hangup the leg and send me inbound call which has the destination number for ext 100 , what should i do to bind it ?? |
| 12:21.44 | Samot | Why aren't you using Originate for this? |
| 12:21.47 | kchehab | Samot outbound trunk is a USB dongle with SIM |
| 12:23.15 | kchehab | seanbright what do you mean by originate ? |
| 12:23.58 | kchehab | Samot sorry what do you mean by originate ? |
| 12:25.21 | Samot | It's a command in Asterisk. |
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| 12:25.53 | Samot | Dials a channel, when it answers sends the call to where ever (like to dial another channel) you tell it in the dialplan. |
| 12:26.20 | Samot | So you tell it to dial the external number, when it answers, it dials ext 100 |
| 12:26.34 | Samot | Or you tell it to dial ext 100 and when it answers, it calls the external number. |
| 12:28.15 | kchehab | Samot but problem that its a call back , i need to join the incoming call from Dongle (trunk) to ex 100 leg |
| 12:28.42 | Samot | What do you mean callback? |
| 12:28.44 | kchehab | Samot and ext 100 in that time should have progress , i want it in one call |
| 12:29.12 | Samot | Are you trying to auto dial an external number and send the call to ext 100? |
| 12:30.28 | kchehab | Samot callback service is : when you call a number from your mobile , the operator hangup your call and call you again and you the dst number to call will find it in the incoming call ringing |
| 12:30.52 | kchehab | dst number you* call |
| 12:31.10 | kchehab | Samot its a service from the GSM operator and i use a dongle to make it work with asterisk |
| 12:31.21 | Samot | Then I don't know this servic. |
| 12:31.24 | Samot | Then I don't know this service. |
| 12:31.43 | Samot | So I call an operator.. |
| 12:31.49 | Samot | They take my call, hang it up.. |
| 12:31.53 | Samot | And then send the call to you? |
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| 12:32.14 | kchehab | Samot user dial 44726272327 --> Asterisk Dongle2---> GSM operator and GSM operator will hang up the call |
| 12:32.26 | Samot | OK. |
| 12:32.57 | Samot | So the call hits Asterisk and Asterisk hangs it up. |
| 12:33.03 | kchehab | Samot aftet 2 seconds dongle 2 will have if you answer it , the call will be connected to destoination number 44726272327 |
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| 12:33.24 | kchehab | Samot meaning the call progress is done in two calls |
| 12:33.39 | Samot | OK. |
| 12:33.41 | Samot | So.. |
| 12:33.48 | Samot | The call comes into Asterisk.. |
| 12:33.59 | Samot | It gets the callers number, hangs up.. |
| 12:34.15 | kchehab | Samot so i want to let the caller wait , system send the call to dongle --> and join the incoming call to caller |
| 12:34.27 | Samot | Then you can't hang up. |
| 12:34.47 | Samot | This isn't a call back service then. |
| 12:35.09 | Samot | You want to have the caller hold while an agent is found. |
| 12:35.16 | Samot | Or you just want to send the caller to the agent.. |
| 12:35.27 | kchehab | Samot MY QUESTION how can i join the incoming call from gsm operator to caller ext(100) |
| 12:35.37 | Samot | What is the GSM operator? |
| 12:35.42 | Samot | Is it a program? |
| 12:35.44 | Samot | A person? |
| 12:36.04 | kchehab | Samot no its the incoming call from dongle to asterisk |
| 12:36.14 | Samot | So it's just a regular call? |
| 12:36.59 | kchehab | Samot INCOMING REGULAR CALL THROUG DONGLE |
| 12:37.03 | kchehab | through |
| 12:37.26 | kchehab | how can i forward ext 100 to meeting or bridge |
| 12:37.37 | Samot | OK |
| 12:37.52 | kchehab | and when i have the incoming call to usb dongle i join it to bridge or conference |
| 12:37.52 | Samot | So you route it like a regular call. |
| 12:38.02 | kchehab | Samot yes |
| 12:38.18 | Samot | Dial() automatically bridges two channels together. |
| 12:38.54 | kchehab | Samot dialing is not the problem , but how to bridge |
| 12:39.13 | Samot | Dial() <-- The command |
| 12:39.20 | Samot | It BRIDGES CHANNELS |
| 12:39.33 | kchehab | Samot Dial ok , but how to bridge |
| 12:39.36 | Samot | Have you not done this before? |
| 12:39.38 | kchehab | that my question |
| 12:39.45 | Samot | You do NOTHING |
| 12:39.52 | Samot | DIAL() DOES IT |
| 12:40.17 | kchehab | Samot how to join the incoming call from ext 100 and the incoming DID from dongle togather |
| 12:40.49 | Samot | Have you used Asterisk before? |
| 12:40.49 | kchehab | Samot i propose to push them to meetme or bridge |
| 12:41.04 | Samot | You mean a Conference bridge?! |
| 12:41.04 | kchehab | Samot can you hekp me with that |
| 12:41.15 | kchehab | Samot yes |
| 12:41.17 | Samot | OK |
| 12:41.24 | Samot | That is important to know. |
| 12:43.01 | kchehab | i want to join et 100 a meet me room and the incoming call from dongle , here ext 100 will be hearing the ring back tone and connect to hios dialed number 44726272327 |
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| 12:43.14 | kchehab | hope if you can help me to draw this scenario |
| 12:43.36 | Samot | You keep changing the explaination. |
| 12:43.40 | Samot | So let's try this. |
| 12:44.20 | Samot | When a CALLER calls in, you want to call ext 100 and then push both of them into a conference room? |
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| 12:56.11 | [TK]D-Fender | kchehab |
| 12:56.11 | [TK]D-Fender | Samot how to join the incoming call from ext 100 and the incoming DID from dongle togather <- unclear |
| 12:56.28 | [TK]D-Fender | You are are talking about 2 INCOMING calls, and no timing information about them |
| 12:56.48 | [TK]D-Fender | If a call comes frmo ONE end, are yuo expecting it to sit around WAITING for that 2nd caller to come in? |
| 12:57.18 | Samot | I don't think it's been explain clearly at all. It's why I keep asking so many questions. |
| 12:57.39 | [TK]D-Fender | And what is this " incoming call from ext 100"? What is "ext 100"? they could be dialing ANYTHING couldn't they? |
| 12:57.43 | Samot | My next one was going to be "Why do two people need to be push a conference room for a call?" |
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| 13:05.42 | kchehab | Samot the Gsm call back Service is a global service where you dial an number from your mobile and the call dropped , and you will recieve an incoming call has your destination number |
| 13:05.45 | kchehab | is that clear |
| 13:06.12 | kchehab | i put the gsm card into udb dongle and use it as trunk |
| 13:06.29 | kchehab | after i send the call to usb dongle the call will has a busy status |
| 13:06.45 | Samot | So you are actually make a brand new call |
| 13:06.54 | kchehab | then an incoming call will be reieved by usb dongle |
| 13:06.56 | Samot | That you want to auto dial ext 100 and then call the person |
| 13:07.15 | Samot | There is no "incoming" call when Asterisk calls the destination number |
| 13:07.21 | Samot | It's an "outgoing" call.. |
| 13:08.10 | kchehab | My question is how can i join the recieved incoming call to UA , |
| 13:08.42 | kchehab | UA should not recognize what happens toward callback |
| 13:09.05 | kchehab | its an incoming call from UA to asterisk |
| 13:09.17 | kchehab | asterisk will send the call to usb dongle |
| 13:09.22 | Samot | If the operator is hanging up the call.. |
| 13:09.29 | Samot | That's it. It's done. |
| 13:09.38 | Samot | You need to store the number and start a new call. |
| 13:09.50 | Samot | You're trying to mimic a Telcom level service.. |
| 13:10.00 | Samot | It's not a couple lines of code. |
| 13:10.10 | kchehab | Samot ok when operator hangup the call , it send you a call (incoming call which has your destination number |
| 13:10.36 | Samot | kchehab: You're missing a lot of pieces. |
| 13:10.39 | kchehab | Samot in need to join the UA to bridge or meetme |
| 13:11.02 | kchehab | and when i recieve the incoming call i will send it too meetme |
| 13:11.11 | Samot | kchehab: I call in. The GSM Operator answers my call and then hangs up. Correct? |
| 13:11.37 | kchehab | Samot the GSM operator will hangup with not answering your call |
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| 13:12.01 | Samot | OK |
| 13:12.04 | kchehab | then the GSM operator will call you again |
| 13:12.04 | Samot | That's fine. |
| 13:12.08 | Samot | OK |
| 13:12.11 | Samot | So.. |
| 13:12.12 | Samot | Now.. |
| 13:12.18 | Samot | In YOUR system.. |
| 13:12.25 | Samot | How are you collecting the number? |
| 13:12.51 | Samot | You have to keep the callers number in memory somewhere.. |
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| 13:13.06 | Samot | So you can pick up another channel and make the outbound call to it. |
| 13:13.27 | kchehab | Samot yes for sure as the incoming call(callerid) has the same dialed number |
| 13:13.38 | kchehab | no problem with that |
| 13:13.42 | Samot | How are you getting it? |
| 13:14.03 | Samot | How does the system know to look at the CDR and make a call back? |
| 13:14.24 | kchehab | by an incoming call to GSM card in the USB dongle |
| 13:14.34 | Samot | Right. |
| 13:14.38 | Samot | I'm done. |
| 13:15.01 | kchehab | my question how to join two channels in a room |
| 13:15.22 | Samot | The same way you join any calls to a conference room. |
| 13:15.55 | kchehab | do you advise to use bridge as i didnt use it before |
| 13:16.01 | kchehab | is it better than meetme |
| 13:16.11 | Samot | I can't advise anything. |
| 13:16.27 | Samot | I have not one clue on how _you_ are actually processing any of this. |
| 13:16.38 | Samot | I understand the service you are trying to mimic |
| 13:16.53 | Samot | But you haven't provided any details on how you plan to do that. |
| 13:17.22 | kchehab | Samot what can i do if the have the two ${Channel} values , is there a way to join them |
| 13:17.34 | Samot | Of course there is. |
| 13:17.37 | kchehab | somethoing near to channel redirect |
| 13:17.47 | Samot | But you're asking "How do I bridge two channels?" |
| 13:18.08 | Samot | When you haven't explained AT ALL how you even GOT the two channels. |
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| 13:36.13 | kchehab | Samot 1st channel from UA second channel from the incoming call |
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| 17:41.27 | Blackthorn | I have an older linix system running an old version of asterisk and I desperately need to update. I just setup a new centos 7 system. All I do on my asterisk is I have a sip provider, and then a few ata's attached to my asterisk service. Is there a premade package that I can pull through yum or should I pull from the asterisk website and compile? |
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| 17:52.52 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX has a repo you might be able to use. I'm not familiar with the mainline having a separate one |
| 17:52.59 | [TK]D-Fender | if they do it's listed on the website |
| 17:54.04 | file | we (the project directly) do not provide packages as of this time |
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| 18:03.03 | TheGallopingFox | i'm currently running asterisk-1.8.32.3, but now thinking its time for a upgrade but not sure what branch to use (there are lots?) |
| 18:03.18 | TheGallopingFox | does the 1.8.x branch still get security updates? |
| 18:04.40 | [TK]D-Fender | no. |
| 18:04.58 | [TK]D-Fender | 13 & 14 are the only active branches |
| 18:05.11 | [TK]D-Fender | 13 = LTS. 14 = standard |
| 18:05.39 | TheGallopingFox | im not too fussed about having the latest features, but would like a branch what doesn't update much but has LTS |
| 18:05.45 | TheGallopingFox | should i go for 13? |
| 18:06.31 | [TK]D-Fender | yes |
| 18:06.47 | TheGallopingFox | also bit confused about certified ? should i use certified 13? |
| 18:08.03 | [TK]D-Fender | no point |
| 18:08.16 | [TK]D-Fender | just stick with 13 regular |
| 18:08.29 | TheGallopingFox | ok thanks for your help |
| 18:09.06 | TheGallopingFox | so i will start with this: |
| 18:09.06 | TheGallopingFox | https://github.com/asterisk/asterisk/archive/13.15.0.tar.gz |
| 18:09.11 | TheGallopingFox | and keep a eye out for updates |
| 18:09.32 | TheGallopingFox | ..i wonder if my 1.8 config will work with 13.15 :-S |
| 18:10.06 | [TK]D-Fender | probably most of it |
| 18:11.24 | igcewieling1 | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+Versions |
| 18:11.31 | igcewieling1 | start there. |
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| 18:12.34 | skirmisha | hi guys |
| 18:12.54 | skirmisha | i have strange issue, adaptive cdr odbc is duplicating cdr's |
| 18:12.58 | skirmisha | any ideas why? |
| 18:13.34 | [TK]D-Fender | because you did something wrong |
| 18:13.50 | igcewieling1 | vague questions get vague answers. |
| 18:14.10 | igcewieling1 | first of all, how do you know they are duplicated? |
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| 18:14.29 | skirmisha | well if i remove it and leave only regular odbc i got one record only |
| 18:14.47 | igcewieling1 | that seems reasonable. |
| 18:14.59 | igcewieling1 | What version of Asterisk are you using? |
| 18:15.07 | skirmisha | ok, but i can't have adaptive odbc without res_odbc |
| 18:15.25 | skirmisha | seems like adaptive is addon to regular odbc as i understand |
| 18:16.00 | skirmisha | cdr show status showed ODBC and adaptive ODBC when i installed them both |
| 18:16.02 | igcewieling1 | I mean that is a reaonable way to see the issue. I thought maybe you were look ing at the CDRs and seeing many very similar lines. That's how the CDRs work. Testing it the way you tested it eliminated that possibilty. |
| 18:16.21 | TheGallopingFox | also, is there a mailing list for new asterisk releases? |
| 18:16.40 | igcewieling1 | TheGallopingFox: new releases are announced on most of the asterisk mailing lists. |
| 18:16.44 | skirmisha | i've got 2 entries with same unique id |
| 18:16.57 | file | we announce in the channel topic, Twitter, community.asterisk.org, and most mailing lists |
| 18:17.09 | TheGallopingFox | ok thanks file |
| 18:17.27 | skirmisha | after i removed adaptive odbc only one entry is recorded |
| 18:18.02 | TheGallopingFox | Slackware package /tmp/asterisk-13.15.0-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz created |
| 18:18.08 | TheGallopingFox | works :) |
| 18:18.53 | igcewieling1 | skirmisha: multiple entries with the same uniqueid are normal. |
| 18:19.06 | skirmisha | what is the difference between adaptive odbc and regular odbc? |
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| 18:21.50 | igcewieling1 | adaptive is not limited to only supported cdr fields, but reading the ASTERISK BOOK might be a good place to look. |
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| 18:22.49 | skirmisha | ok, that's enough but can i use only adaptive? |
| 18:23.43 | igcewieling1 | there is no reason why you cannot use just one CDR backend. |
| 18:25.25 | TheGallopingFox | Unable to open Asterisk database '/var/lib/asterisk/astdb.sqlite3': unable to open database file |
| 18:25.28 | TheGallopingFox | eeek |
| 18:28.42 | skirmisha | ok from what i understand you can use adaptive odbc if you want to save extra info in diff columns, but it can't work stand alone without main odbc driver |
| 18:28.46 | skirmisha | am i correct? |
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| 18:31.27 | TheGallopingFox | got it working |
| 18:32.36 | skirmisha | ??? |
| 18:33.07 | skirmisha | so the issue is why adaptive is storing same cdr as main one |
| 18:33.35 | [TK]D-Fender | because they are configured similarly |
| 18:34.09 | file | they are both independent and can be configured to both store the same CDR in the same location. |
| 18:34.12 | TheGallopingFox | config from 1.8 works with 13 :) thanks for your help |
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| 18:34.56 | skirmisha | let me test if they are independent |
| 18:39.23 | igcewieling1 | skirmisha: file wrote part of Asterisk. He is rarely wrong about such things. |
| 18:39.25 | skirmisha | yep, they are |
| 18:39.35 | skirmisha | so all is sorted now |
| 18:39.39 | skirmisha | thanks guys |
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| 19:55.06 | Blackthorn | I just setup centos 7 with asterisk 14.4.0 and I have my phones working. I simply can't get asterisk to start automaticly when booting. I have done the "make config" in the sorce code directly and I have used chkconfig |grep asterisk and it shows off for 0 and 1, and on for 2,3,4,5, and off for 6. |
| 19:57.03 | Samot | Did you create a boot up script to run when it boots up? |
| 19:57.35 | Blackthorn | i dont' think so... |
| 19:57.55 | Blackthorn | nothing in the install doc's that i have seen says anything about a boto script |
| 19:58.06 | Blackthorn | just says run the make config and do the chckconfig thing |
| 19:58.11 | Samot | That's because those would be OS dependent. |
| 19:58.28 | Samot | A CentOS bootup isn't going to work on Ubuntu |
| 19:58.42 | Samot | Or a CentOS 6 won't work on CentOS 7 |
| 20:03.06 | Blackthorn | in the .etc/rc.d/init.d there is an asterisk script in there for startup. |
| 20:03.32 | Blackthorn | but still does not start... thought I can start it manually and work just fine |
| 20:08.57 | igcewieling1 | "make config" generally installs the rc files for Asterisk. There is no CentOS 7 boot script, write your own if you are on CentOS 7 |
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| 20:17.05 | Blackthorn | i have a script in the init.d directroy named asterisk |
| 20:17.25 | igcewieling1 | Blackthorn: you just said you are on CentOS 7, correct? |
| 20:17.33 | Blackthorn | yes |
| 20:17.47 | igcewieling1 | I just said the boot script doesn't work on CentOS 7, correct? |
| 20:18.21 | Blackthorn | yes, thats what i'm saying it dosn't work. |
| 20:18.34 | Blackthorn | why would it not work? |
| 20:19.11 | igcewieling1 | might have something to do with using systemd and not using the /etc/rc.d stuff anymore. |
| 20:19.34 | igcewieling1 | I hacked up a systemd script for Asterisk and went on with my life. |
| 20:19.44 | Blackthorn | umm.. ok i wouldn't know anything about that. I'm just following directions here. |
| 20:19.56 | Blackthorn | well on that page |
| 20:20.28 | Samot | 3:58:28 PM <Samot> A CentOS bootup isn't going to work on Ubuntu |
| 20:20.28 | Samot | 3:58:43 PM <Samot> Or a CentOS 6 won't work on CentOS 7 |
| 20:20.45 | igcewieling1 | CentOS 7 made MASSIVE changes to lots of stuff. Much which might apply to CentOS 6 doesn't apply on CentOS 7. |
| 20:21.05 | Samot | I think every thing did |
| 20:21.18 | Samot | Ubuntu 16 is systemd as well |
| 20:21.33 | Blackthorn | sorry.. but you assumed i knkow something about cent 6 or even ubuntu |
| 20:21.52 | igcewieling1 | Blackthorn: if you don't, you won't be very successful with Asterisk. |
| 20:23.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Step 1: understand the OS you're installing on |
| 20:23.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Step 2: understand basic networking |
| 20:24.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk comes in somewhere around 5-6 |
| 20:24.28 | [TK]D-Fender | packs up to head home |
| 20:32.47 | Blackthorn | i excuted "systemctl enable service asterisk" and it responded with asteirsk.service is not a native service, redirectly to /sbin/chkconfig. Ecuting /sbin/chkconfig asterisk on. Failed to execute operation: access denied. I am logged in as root |
| 20:33.40 | igcewieling1 | google "asterisk systemd" |
| 20:34.15 | Blackthorn | thank u |
| 20:47.42 | Blackthorn | i followed https://community.asterisk.org/t/solved-centos-7-compatible-init-d-or-systemd-script-for-asterisk-13/66359/2 with no errors. rebooted. Didn't work but i run the systemctl and it shows asterisk as activating and auto-restart |
| 20:48.26 | Blackthorn | i'll do some more research on that |
| 20:49.05 | malcolmd | that was a nice thread from furious-george |
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| 21:18.52 | Blackthorn | systemctl says asterisk is enabled o nthe current runlevel but where it says active.. it just says activating |
| 21:18.56 | Blackthorn | thoughts? |
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| 21:27.01 | Blackthorn | gota go but i'l ask agian tommorw. thanks for the help ealier |
| 21:32.41 | _abc_ | @systemd: shameless plug: #devuan @freenode.net ; devuan.org released a systemd less jessie Saturday. I have it and it works. |
| 21:32.45 | _abc_ | </plug> |
| 21:34.43 | drmessano | Speaking of Debian |
| 21:39.54 | _abc_ | I can't hold my breath any longer. Please, what about Debian? <gasp> |
| 21:40.22 | drmessano | I was trying to remember.. they announced something this past week that was pretty.. exciting, I think |
| 21:40.40 | _abc_ | Yes, but it was devuan, not debian. |
| 21:40.45 | drmessano | Something that I supposed to make a mental note of, so I could download it |
| 21:40.49 | drmessano | I know |
| 21:41.15 | drmessano | Im a sadist, I like systemd |
| 21:42.38 | _abc_ | Ah yes, Debian announced another "improvement": giving up on it's FTP servers for distribution. |
| 21:43.08 | _abc_ | "because nobody is using them". Right. I use them when wget cannot be used on snafu web2.0+ obfuscated "downloader" links |
| 21:43.24 | igcewieling1 | systemd is like broccoli, you might not like it, but it is good for you in the long run. |
| 21:45.28 | _abc_ | https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-systemd-open-issues-by-category.svg this graph, also linked from Lennart P.'s page, tells you all you need to know about where systemd is going. |
| 21:45.29 | drmessano | I need to see if my laptop mouse will run better in Debian |
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| 21:45.50 | drmessano | Im assuming no forced libinput |
| 21:45.51 | _abc_ | That is a live graph, notice the monotonous discrepancy growth between open issues and closed |
| 21:46.09 | _abc_ | Please bookmark it, and look at it when you consider using anything with systemd in it :) |
| 21:46.48 | _abc_ | "because they make features, and not fix bugs" |
| 21:46.50 | drmessano | It's no worse than chan_pjsip was 2 years ago |
| 21:47.15 | drmessano | It was a "useless piece of crap that's never going anywhere/chan_sip works fine" |
| 21:47.21 | _abc_ | Yes, but you need the system to boot to debug chan_pjsip and with systemd sometimes it won't. |
| 21:47.24 | drmessano | and now it's pretty close |
| 21:47.36 | drmessano | So systemd is just new |
| 21:47.52 | drmessano | Lots of exposure in a short timeframe |
| 21:47.53 | _abc_ | Yes, and I am not a beta tester. If I want to be a beta tester I can run windows. No, thanks. |
| 21:48.06 | drmessano | lol |
| 21:48.15 | drmessano | That's odd coming from a Linux user |
| 21:48.25 | drmessano | We've been beta testers since day 1 |
| 21:48.44 | _abc_ | You know what happens to early worms (adopters)? They get eaten. I stand back and adopt those things which the surviving early worms did. systemd ate a lot of worms. |
| 21:49.03 | drmessano | Well |
| 21:49.08 | drmessano | Here's the thing |
| 21:49.14 | drmessano | I see this time and time again |
| 21:49.26 | drmessano | $new_distro_release comes out |
| 21:49.30 | drmessano | and people feel like |
| 21:49.51 | drmessano | "I shouldnt have to not upgrade to the new one because you changed ____ that I hate,which is not ready" |
| 21:50.12 | drmessano | Because it's asking WAY too much to say "Just stay on your current release if you dont want to beta test" |
| 21:50.30 | drmessano | "No, I should be able to run the LATEST and it not be screwed up. You guys suck" |
| 21:51.19 | drmessano | Wheezy still works fine. Ubuntu 14.04 still works fine |
| 21:53.01 | _abc_ | is writing this on etch... okay upgraded a bit but... |
| 21:54.25 | drmessano | Just like if Asterisk 14 is too buggy, stay on 13.. You don't need to write a daily blog about how Digium sucks and it's not been the same <insert some elitist chronological reference>" |
| 21:54.29 | drmessano | Thats my take on it |
| 21:58.19 | lorsungcu | _abc_: https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-systemd-issues.png |
| 21:58.24 | lorsungcu | isn't that one just as telling? |
| 21:58.32 | lorsungcu | zomg a monotone increasing amount of closed issues |
| 21:58.34 | lorsungcu | MUST BE STABLE |
| 21:58.59 | _abc_ | prefers to see the empty half of the glass. |
| 21:59.32 | lorsungcu | :p |
| 21:59.53 | _abc_ | The full half will always be satisfying. The empty half causes depression :) |
| 22:00.52 | drmessano | So |
| 22:00.56 | lorsungcu | idk, i think it's exciting |
| 22:00.56 | drmessano | More adoption |
| 22:01.01 | drmessano | More bugs |
| 22:01.08 | drmessano | More added, more found |
| 22:01.10 | drmessano | More closed |
| 22:01.14 | lorsungcu | you know someone's onto something when half the internet blindly hates it |
| 22:01.43 | drmessano | I bet those spikes are when some distro made it the default |
| 22:01.56 | drmessano | Like that big one in the middle |
| 22:01.58 | drmessano | Ubuntu |
| 22:02.07 | drmessano | 2016-04 |
| 22:02.54 | drmessano | Took maybe a month to get back to a manageable level? |
| 22:03.33 | lorsungcu | oct 2014 |
| 22:03.48 | lorsungcu | this graph basically represents ubuntu adopting it |
| 22:03.50 | lorsungcu | heh |
| 22:04.02 | drmessano | 16.04 was the first LTS |
| 22:04.07 | drmessano | with Systemd |
| 22:06.35 | drmessano | I would say there's a very strong correlation between systemd issues spiking and "server" distro upgrades .. since that's where you're more likely to find bugs.. when swapping over scripts |
| 22:07.35 | drmessano | Most of your core applications on the desktop spins were probably solid before 16.04 |
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| 22:08.08 | drmessano | You know, you upgrade and try to move your application or ninja tricks to systemd and "Oh shit" |
| 22:08.15 | lorsungcu | regardless, just taking one graph as evidence that something is fucky is beyond silly |
| 22:08.21 | drmessano | I agree |
| 22:08.26 | _abc_ | You can predict from that graph when the #bugs will exceed the numeric population using linux. |
| 22:08.36 | drmessano | That graph is super positive |
| 22:08.48 | _abc_ | looks hard at drmessano |
| 22:08.53 | lorsungcu | nods |
| 22:09.32 | drmessano | Same number of open issues as jan 2016 |
| 22:10.01 | drmessano | Like I said, spikes when new distro releases hit |
| 22:10.07 | drmessano | But those numbers settled |
| 22:10.23 | drmessano | Right there at the end is 17.04 |
| 22:10.42 | drmessano | But just prior, the number was on a steady decline |
| 22:12.07 | drmessano | If people would stop spinning up systemd-less distros and spend their time working on bugs, they could get these resolved a lot faster |
| 22:15.43 | _abc_ | Yes, yes, Lennart is to write proper docs for what he wrote and to fix bugs before releasing more features. |
| 22:15.57 | _abc_ | agrees. And he'll wait until that happens before adopting systemd |
| 22:23.18 | Samot | I love super positive graphs. |
| 22:23.35 | Samot | They make me feel all good inside where it's dark and lonely. |
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| 22:25.21 | drmessano | Nice ragequit there |
| 22:25.51 | Samot | He does like an arugment |
| 22:30.34 | drmessano | Ive had zero impact from systemd |
| 22:30.48 | drmessano | Switching to libinput has made my trackpad unusable |
| 22:31.02 | drmessano | I tend to think the later is more important |
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| 22:45.08 | samoied | Hello Guys! |
| 22:46.16 | samoied | Just a dumb question: I'm trying to add a SIPAddHeader in extensions.conf, but need to use ";" in Header. Using "" don't work, as enything after ; is ignored. Any other ideas? |
| 22:46.34 | samoied | s/enything/anything/ |
| 22:49.10 | [TK]D-Fender | show us |
| 22:54.22 | rmudgett | Escape the semicolon with a backslash: \; |
| 22:55.00 | rmudgett | Otherwise it thinks the semicolon is the start of a comment. |
| 22:58.30 | samoied | rmudgett: Thanks, it works! So simple... :) |
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