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| 02:02.00 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+13+Devicestates+REST+API - in here, what is the difference between "INUSE" and "BUSY" ? |
| 02:03.04 | Samot | INUSE = I'm using the phone |
| 02:03.40 | Samot | BUSY = I'm busy. As in DND at the phone level or just setting the state to show that you're BUSY and don't want to take calls |
| 02:03.55 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | ok excellent, that's exactly what i need |
| 02:04.01 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | cheers |
| 02:04.21 | Samot | Though the label for each state carries a certain connotation, the actual meaning of each state is really up to the device state provider. That is, any particular state may mean something different across device state providers. |
| 02:04.53 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | in my case ive just got SPA5xx phones successfully 'hinting' that they are on DND |
| 02:05.09 | Samot | Well how do you have DND setup on those phones? |
| 02:05.14 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | just need to be able to check that through ARI so fingers crossed, should be working |
| 02:05.22 | Samot | Are you letting the phone do it's own DND or did you program the DND button? |
| 02:05.32 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | ive configured them to do proper Vertical Service Announcement with a custom PSK |
| 02:05.39 | Samot | OK. |
| 02:06.17 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | so Asterisk 'knows' they are on DND so in theory ARI should report DND'd phones as busy |
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| 02:45.31 | igcewieling | mutters something about zombie werewolves |
| 02:49.56 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | well... it was a good plan in theory but i didn't think about FreePBX not writing ARI into it's dialplans :( lol |
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| 07:10.36 | FarhaadN | hi every one, i recently upgrade from asterisk 11 to asterisk 14.5 |
| 07:11.02 | lorsungcu | claps |
| 07:11.13 | FarhaadN | in asterisk -r , when i increase verbose , dont show anything |
| 07:11.54 | FarhaadN | no verbose and no debug |
| 07:12.48 | FarhaadN | but in full log , everything is ok |
| 07:12.53 | FarhaadN | what i am do? |
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| 07:16.18 | FarhaadN | ***lorsungcu: please help instead taunting |
| 07:16.27 | lorsungcu | ? |
| 07:17.27 | lorsungcu | i've got no solution for you, i'm not taunting you, and i'm not obligated to help you. hang out and wait for a response. |
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| 07:43.17 | DaRock1 | Can someone tell me why I'd be getting host 0 from sippeer? I can see them in sip show peers |
| 07:44.27 | drmessano | FarhaadN: How are you increasing verbose? |
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| 07:56.35 | drmessano | FarhaadN: How are you increasing verbose? |
| 07:56.43 | drmessano | Please now answer much |
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| 11:34.44 | DaRock1 | Does anyone know the magic spell to find a channel name/peer based on the exten? |
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| 14:18.57 | igcewieling | DaRock1: generally, you can't. |
| 14:19.37 | igcewieling | extensions could have 1 or 1000 or more channel channels associated with it. |
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| 14:34.38 | samwierema | Is it possible to change the maxptime setting in Asterisk for PJSIP? |
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| 14:37.33 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | igcewieling you can if you're handy with scripting :) lol |
| 14:37.40 | Mr_Pleb_Mgoo | its not pretty though |
| 14:44.40 | file | samwierema: no. |
| 14:45.19 | samwierema | file: damn. Thanks. |
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| 14:58.18 | samwierema | It is possible to remove it then, or also no? |
| 14:59.15 | file | not without code modifications |
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| 15:00.40 | samwierema | file: thanks |
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| 15:30.35 | defswork | hi - is a 503 response correct for an inbound call that could not reach a destination (simply because extension was not connected) ? |
| 15:31.37 | Samot | defswork: You have to be a little more clear. |
| 15:32.09 | Samot | Who/what is giving the 503 response? |
| 15:55.46 | [TK]D-Fender | defswork, Show the actual call |
| 15:55.50 | [TK]D-Fender | So we can prove what's happening |
| 15:56.09 | defswork | its a 3rd party * based solution |
| 15:56.29 | defswork | when it cannot route a call to a extension because the phone isnt plugged in its returninga 503 |
| 15:56.37 | defswork | I think it should be a 4** error |
| 15:57.24 | [TK]D-Fender | no, |
| 15:57.26 | salviadud | defswork, and this third party solutin, what's the name of it? |
| 15:57.32 | [TK]D-Fender | 4xx is if the # wasn't valid |
| 15:57.33 | [TK]D-Fender | it is |
| 15:57.36 | [TK]D-Fender | it's not THERE |
| 15:57.42 | [TK]D-Fender | no response |
| 15:57.46 | [TK]D-Fender | no ack at all |
| 15:57.51 | [TK]D-Fender | So 503 is perfectly valid |
| 15:57.53 | Samot | Well... |
| 15:57.55 | [TK]D-Fender | there is a network error |
| 15:58.02 | Samot | If Asterisk doesn't see a host |
| 15:58.07 | Samot | It never goes anywhere.. |
| 15:58.08 | Samot | So 503 |
| 15:58.24 | Samot | If it actually tried to contact the device and timed out it be a 408 |
| 15:58.44 | defswork | hmm - causes the sip truink provider to fail the call over to standby circuit though |
| 15:59.04 | Samot | No voicemail? |
| 15:59.06 | defswork | because they treat 503 from the * server as a server error - not a simple call routing error |
| 15:59.09 | defswork | no |
| 15:59.29 | Samot | So you have nothing in place to handle this? |
| 15:59.41 | Samot | You're letting Asterisk pass it back through to the provider... |
| 15:59.50 | Samot | Making it think that ASterisk isn't available. |
| 16:00.04 | Samot | Your upstream provider doesn't know about the endpoints on Asterisk. |
| 16:00.07 | Samot | It knows what Asterisk tells it |
| 16:00.13 | defswork | yes (not me - I'm just an observer of the system) :) |
| 16:00.25 | Samot | Well 5XX are server errors |
| 16:00.45 | Samot | So they will trigger failovers for providers if you have them in place. |
| 16:00.59 | defswork | I'm logging it as a bug with the supplier |
| 16:01.00 | Samot | You should be sending back a 408 or a 404 to them.. |
| 16:01.24 | defswork | yeah I thought that too - just wanted second opinion |
| 16:01.33 | [TK]D-Fender | no |
| 16:01.38 | [TK]D-Fender | 404 is for an invalid target |
| 16:01.42 | [TK]D-Fender | the target is valid |
| 16:01.51 | [TK]D-Fender | the fact you can't reach them is a service error |
| 16:01.53 | lorsungcu | and 408 is a timeout |
| 16:01.57 | Samot | Right |
| 16:02.02 | lorsungcu | if it didnt timeout you shouldnt send it |
| 16:02.02 | Samot | Totally missing what I said. |
| 16:02.11 | Samot | But OK. |
| 16:02.23 | lorsungcu | you said " You should be sending back a 408 or a 404 to them.." |
| 16:02.30 | Samot | to the provider, yes. |
| 16:02.35 | Samot | Do you understand what is happening? |
| 16:02.44 | lorsungcu | no sorry just started VoIP this week |
| 16:02.53 | lorsungcu | how to skype pls |
| 16:02.55 | Samot | Call from Provider to Asterisk.... |
| 16:02.58 | Samot | Asterisk to Endpoint |
| 16:03.04 | Samot | Endpoint doesn't have host or register.. |
| 16:03.09 | Samot | causes 503 on Asterisk. |
| 16:03.13 | Samot | Asterisk sends 503 back to provier |
| 16:03.17 | Samot | Triggers failover |
| 16:03.23 | Samot | Cuz, server error |
| 16:03.29 | Samot | Because a USER isn't registered. |
| 16:03.39 | Samot | He should send back to the provider this is a USER error |
| 16:03.43 | Samot | Not a SERVER error. |
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| 17:27.18 | samwierema | When configuring a new install with ./configure, can I pass it an option to build/enable res_statsd (without menuselect)? |
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| 17:37.24 | tzafrir | samwierema, no. Menuselect has to be set explicitly after configure |
| 17:37.34 | samwierema | Ok |
| 17:42.52 | igcewieling | Has anyone here build a device to connect a POTS line to Mic/Speaker of pc sound card? If so, please /msg me. |
| 17:44.47 | Samot | So you're looking from some modem based intercom software? |
| 17:45.06 | igcewieling | more or less. |
| 17:45.20 | Samot | Linux or Windows? |
| 17:45.25 | igcewieling | Arduino. |
| 17:45.34 | igcewieling | The host pc part doesn't matter. |
| 17:46.04 | Samot | Well everything I've seen in the past, ran on the PC with the modem the POTS plugged into |
| 17:46.10 | Samot | So yeah, the host PC mattered. |
| 17:46.31 | igcewieling | GSM Modem w/audio in/out -> <magic> -> Asterisk FXS card. |
| 17:47.21 | igcewieling | so no "software" in the normal sense. |
| 17:47.51 | igcewieling | I have the schematics to build such a thing, but I was hoping someone with experience might give me suggestions. |
| 17:48.38 | igcewieling | specifically from this page http://www.rane.com/note150.html |
| 17:49.27 | igcewieling | I VERY much want to get away from POTS service for backup lines. If the lines are so bad the internet is unstable, then the POTS lines will be unstable too. |
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| 17:51.10 | Samot | I'm not sure about that. |
| 17:51.23 | igcewieling | Samot: I see it all the time. |
| 17:51.31 | Samot | I mean a poor condition line can impact the data.. |
| 17:51.38 | Samot | And may have some "fuzz" on the line.. |
| 17:51.46 | Samot | But for the most part the audio is fine. |
| 17:53.03 | igcewieling | you must have a phone company which maintains their copper. We have customers in Verizon territory which have to wait months for Verizon to restore their service. |
| 17:53.38 | igcewieling | over and over, the EoC (think bundled T-1) fails and the POTS fail at the same time. |
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| 17:54.49 | Samot | And they have two different DMARCs/termination points? |
| 17:55.25 | igcewieling | Most buildings have only one entrance for copper. |
| 17:56.02 | Samot | Are they taking the POTs line off the EoC circuits? |
| 17:56.10 | Samot | Or is it on it's own? |
| 17:56.18 | igcewieling | no, but I think they are in the same cable bundle |
| 17:56.31 | Samot | They can turn off EoC, tear out the SJs for it and the POTS is good? |
| 17:56.37 | Samot | Well then that's the problem. |
| 17:56.49 | Samot | It's not a true "POTS" line. |
| 17:56.57 | igcewieling | They are true pots lines |
| 17:57.15 | Samot | I mean it's not separate from the EoC circuit(s). |
| 17:57.19 | Samot | they are bundled together.. |
| 17:57.25 | Samot | One is part of the other.. |
| 17:57.32 | Samot | Not own their own |
| 17:57.54 | igcewieling | you know the telco bundles hundreds of pairs into into one "trunk" right? You know DSL, T-1, Eoc, and Pots could all ride different pairs in the same bundle right? |
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| 17:58.57 | Samot | I had no clue. |
| 18:02.29 | igcewieling | Here is a picture: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ea/f3/2d/eaf32da692e4eab4c0fa51c0ac668d47.jpg |
| 18:03.24 | igcewieling | I'm taking about POTS and T-1 riding different pairs in bundles like that, which often get damaged. |
| 18:05.38 | Kobaz | igcewieling: exactly |
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| 18:06.17 | Kobaz | yeah, you might have a bundle of 100 pairs in one run, or 200, or 500, some sort of interval. I don't know offhand the grouping thresholds |
| 18:08.04 | Samot | Here's the thing.... |
| 18:08.15 | Samot | I didn't ask how it got from the CO to the location. |
| 18:08.17 | Samot | At all. |
| 18:08.31 | Samot | I asked if they had different termination/DMARCs. |
| 18:14.47 | Samot | See if I have a customer that says I need 15 channels for my PRI and I need one line for alarm and one line for fax and one line for failover.... |
| 18:15.05 | igcewieling | I think w differ on what a DMARC is. A DMARC could have a hundred lines on it. Just punch them to a different position on the DMARC. you might be referring to the binding post info. i.e. cable X, pair y, punched down at location z |
| 18:15.09 | Samot | If I terminate all those on the T1 SJ I dump in there... |
| 18:15.17 | Samot | Instead of getting another DS0 for the failover.. |
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| 18:15.31 | igcewieling | right. But that would be pretty stupid if you wanted failover. |
| 18:15.32 | Samot | Then yes, when the T1 circuit dies, the failover POTS dies. |
| 18:15.53 | Samot | Thus me asking how is Verizon actually _terminating_ this stuff. |
| 18:16.43 | igcewieling | I'm only dealing with failover setups. If a customer wants a POTS line, we would normally pull them off our SIP media gateway or channel bank. That's not related to my failover stuff. |
| 18:17.10 | igcewieling | Verizon terminates the lines by punching them down on a 66 block. |
| 18:17.46 | igcewieling | Not sure what they do with fiber. |
| 18:18.51 | Samot | So when you order say a T1, Verizion does everything from A to Z? |
| 18:19.13 | igcewieling | When I say T-1 I mean a DSX from our NOC to the customer. |
| 18:19.22 | igcewieling | Verizon has no idea what we run on it. |
| 18:19.33 | igcewieling | more correctly, a channelized T-1 |
| 18:21.16 | igcewieling | However, none of that is directly related to plugging a GSM modem into an Asterisk FXS port. |
| 18:22.39 | Samot | What are you trying do to? |
| 18:23.17 | Samot | Wait for Asterisk to send a call to it? |
| 18:25.09 | Samot | Or is something going to call into the GSM modem and use it to send a call to Asterisk? |
| 18:26.36 | Samot | I take it the GSM modem has an FXO port on it? |
| 18:27.45 | igcewieling | I'm trying to replace the analog lines on FXS ports on an Asterisk box with a GSM/cellphone uplink. similar GSM modem https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Quad-band-Wireless-Transmission-1900MHZ/dp/B01M0UXRDS/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1499106431&sr=1-2&keywords=a6+gsm |
| 18:28.09 | igcewieling | no, the GSM modem does not have a FXO port on it. That's why I'm asking about building an interface for it. |
| 18:29.17 | igcewieling | the idea is that the customer already has some POTS lines and FXS ports on the Asterisk boxes used only for backup when the circuit goes down. I |
| 18:29.17 | Samot | Aren't there GSM gateways/modems out there that have FXO ports? |
| 18:29.39 | igcewieling | Samot: I assume there is. |
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| 18:29.50 | Samot | Why would you purchase those? |
| 18:30.19 | Samot | s/would/wouldn't/ |
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| 18:30.45 | igcewieling | Partially because they are lot more expensive and partially because I'm doing OTHER stuff with the device which is not relevant to the POTS stuff. |
| 18:32.23 | Samot | And this device doesn't have room for a FXO card? |
| 18:33.10 | igcewieling | not sure what you mean. For my use case, the server ALWAYS already has a FXS card in the Asterisk server. |
| 18:33.19 | Samot | No. |
| 18:33.43 | Samot | Whatever device you're sticking that GSM antennae in.. |
| 18:34.11 | Samot | The one you're trying to build an interface into.. |
| 18:34.19 | igcewieling | I could make space for it. |
| 18:34.32 | igcewieling | As you can see on the amazon line it is a bare board. |
| 18:36.23 | Samot | I'd look at using a proven FXO card/drivers for this. |
| 18:36.41 | igcewieling | *nod* Sangoma cards already in the system |
| 18:36.47 | Samot | Really, I'd just buy a GSM gateway/modem that had an FXO interface if I was doing this. |
| 18:37.21 | Samot | Because even if they are more expensive, over time that extra expense saves in other places. |
| 18:37.40 | igcewieling | I'd have to modify it or build a box to handle the other stuff I'm doing. |
| 18:38.05 | igcewieling | the 4x rx232 ports and 1x USB serial ports which will also built into the device. |
| 18:38.33 | igcewieling | I didn't mention them because it is not relevant to my original question. |
| 18:38.57 | igcewieling | which was (01:42:52 PM) igcewieling: Has anyone here build a device to connect a POTS line to Mic/Speaker of pc sound card? If so, please /msg me. |
| 18:42.05 | Samot | Well despite the host PC OS mattering, it also is a question of what the sound card capabilities are too. |
| 18:42.35 | Samot | Because it's going to need drivers to support what you are looking to do. |
| 18:42.35 | Samot | Drivers that have to be compiled for the OS it is running on. |
| 18:43.12 | lorsungcu | also the OS has to be installed on some kind of disk |
| 18:43.19 | lorsungcu | so this all comes down to what hard drive you're using |
| 18:43.21 | lorsungcu | basically. |
| 18:58.20 | igcewieling | lorsungcu: the device controlling it all will be an Arduinio (8-bit microcontroller) |
| 18:58.41 | lorsungcu | igcewieling: i was kidding :) |
| 18:58.56 | lorsungcu | but, if you're concerned about some POTS backup line shitting the bed |
| 18:59.12 | lorsungcu | i'd be more concerned with some hacked together arduino thing |
| 18:59.43 | lorsungcu | they're a prototyping platform that people have shoehorned into other stuff. using them in production like that is hackish at best. |
| 19:01.22 | igcewieling | *nod* I did an LED project a few weeks ago and a remote weather sensor before that. Since I already have almost all the hardware, I might as well complete the project. |
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| 19:29.48 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:30.17 | drmessano | I love phone stuff, but i've never wanted anything to do with building a phone hybrid |
| 19:30.32 | drmessano | Basically you can buy interface boards for $100 |
| 19:38.22 | sawgood | I'd like to setup a PI type device: which if "ping" to the Internet (stopped) ... it would start flashing a RED light (so staff) would know the "internet is down" |
| 19:38.23 | sawgood | ha! |
| 19:40.57 | drmessano | You could do this on a Mikrotik without the Pi |
| 19:41.17 | drmessano | For half the price |
| 19:41.23 | sawgood | maybe even just the routerboard if you wanted to do it on the cheap |
| 19:41.26 | sawgood | good point! |
| 19:42.13 | drmessano | Email notification would be better, so then they all get it |
| 19:42.14 | sawgood | I guess if you had the existing Mikrotik in place already (you) would just need to "add a light" somehow |
| 19:42.46 | drmessano | sawgood: You've never even used a Mikrotik, have you? |
| 19:42.59 | sawgood | have I: I have dozens on the shelf |
| 19:43.05 | drmessano | No way |
| 19:43.09 | sawgood | built them from scratch even |
| 19:43.14 | sawgood | have you used them? |
| 19:43.17 | drmessano | would just need to "add a light" somehow |
| 19:43.33 | drmessano | ^ You wouldnt be saying this if you knew anything about an MT |
| 19:43.35 | sawgood | well: more like get an IP peer (speaker with a light) |
| 19:43.49 | sawgood | I know Mikrotik and routerOS well |
| 19:44.02 | drmessano | There's literally baked-in function to do this |
| 19:44.35 | sawgood | right: most of the time: I reflash the router to use DD-WRT or OpenWRT |
| 19:45.13 | sawgood | it was sad when MikroTik cut the flash RAM in 1/2 a few years back (down) to 16GB from 64GB |
| 19:45.13 | drmessano | But you said you know RouterOS well |
| 19:45.20 | drmessano | So you should know this |
| 19:45.33 | sawgood | what ever ... minor routerOS function |
| 19:45.55 | drmessano | ..... |
| 19:46.10 | drmessano | There's menu for it |
| 19:46.15 | drmessano | Literally |
| 19:46.20 | sawgood | you ever use DrayTek: they do MOS they say |
| 19:46.26 | drmessano | Controlling the LEds |
| 19:46.28 | drmessano | Controlling the LEDs |
| 19:46.35 | drmessano | DrayTek is shit |
| 19:46.39 | sawgood | right the LEDs .. that is right, but not what I meant |
| 19:47.12 | sawgood | I can contol the LEDs even under OpenWRT .. I meant an external light (like in the break room) a "flashing" box on the wall type of thing |
| 19:48.24 | sawgood | I don't mention this much anymore because most think its a stupid idea |
| 19:48.40 | sawgood | "don't need" that flashing box on the wall to let them know the "internet" is not working on the edge |
| 19:49.08 | Nivex | Bonus points if you make it play "The System is Down" from Strong Bad Email |
| 19:49.23 | sawgood | I have a super cool PoE clock from ACD which you can flash a message across the clock and flash it ... |
| 19:49.24 | drmessano | Internet goes down that much that it requires a permanently mounted light?? |
| 19:49.35 | drmessano | Maybe you should FIX THAT |
| 19:49.41 | drmessano | Instead of installing a LIGHT |
| 19:49.50 | igcewieling | drmessano: I might use a commercial module if we deploy this to customers. right now it is all a proof of concept and I'm still working on the rs232 part of the project. |
| 19:49.51 | sawgood | you don't get it, so that is ok ... |
| 19:49.57 | drmessano | I was talking about having a box they could look at with an LED on it |
| 19:50.02 | drmessano | Not fucking FURNITURE |
| 19:50.33 | lorsungcu | Nivex: im on board with that |
| 19:50.42 | sawgood | sometimes schools like a PoE clock with a message board and flashing lights (annoucing) break is over |
| 19:50.45 | lorsungcu | get some of those hue lights and just blink them |
| 19:50.48 | sawgood | go back to class! |
| 19:50.52 | lorsungcu | forget a special box |
| 19:51.05 | drmessano | sawgood: What does that have to do with the internet light? |
| 19:51.38 | drmessano | Permanently mounted internet light |
| 19:52.00 | lorsungcu | https://www.developers.meethue.com/ |
| 19:52.01 | sawgood | I'm not talking about the Internet lights .. more like ... I was thinking if there was a "blue light" in the break rooom (people/staff) would see the light is blue and know conditions are normal |
| 19:52.12 | lorsungcu | ^ internet light |
| 19:52.19 | sawgood | if RED ... IT knows the internet is down so do not call them ... when the light is blue it will be working again |
| 19:52.45 | drmessano | sawgood: But the internet is down enough to warrant a status light? |
| 19:52.48 | sawgood | that type of thing: because for some "help desks" supporting a large group of people: a light will help! |
| 19:52.51 | drmessano | Like that much work |
| 19:52.55 | drmessano | For the internet being down |
| 19:52.59 | drmessano | and not to call IT |
| 19:53.01 | lorsungcu | i can see this being pretty awesome actually |
| 19:53.04 | sawgood | tell you ... people have asked me for this (many) times over the years |
| 19:53.19 | drmessano | I have a status light for that |
| 19:53.24 | drmessano | A guy comes to my office |
| 19:53.25 | lorsungcu | MWI indicators in might house lights |
| 19:53.26 | drmessano | Once a week |
| 19:53.29 | drmessano | Facebook doesnt work |
| 19:53.33 | Nivex | It's probably faster to send the Intern with a piece of paper and a sharpie |
| 19:53.35 | drmessano | "IS the internet down?" |
| 19:53.35 | sawgood | blue light = IT conditions are normal for staff .... RED = IT knows the internet is slow |
| 19:53.37 | drmessano | "No" |
| 19:53.38 | lorsungcu | -indicator dammit |
| 19:53.40 | drmessano | "Ok, thanks" |
| 19:54.05 | drmessano | Done |
| 19:54.05 | sawgood | mabye FLASH RED for "slow" internet and stay solid RED for down Internet |
| 19:54.06 | lorsungcu | lol |
| 19:54.06 | sawgood | ha! |
| 19:54.08 | drmessano | So much thought into internet status lights |
| 19:54.15 | drmessano | I would just fix the internet |
| 19:54.21 | sawgood | ISL! |
| 19:54.44 | Nivex | I used to work hell desk. The users would notice the email system dying faster than the monitoring system could. |
| 19:54.46 | drmessano | My internet doesnt go down that much, so I guess I cant relate |
| 19:54.50 | drmessano | At all.. |
| 19:55.02 | drmessano | Nivex: 100% |
| 19:55.15 | Nivex | So I'd get the first call, start troubleshooting with the user, see the email admin go flying down the hall |
| 19:55.23 | drmessano | We get emails about O365 outages 2 hours after users report them to me |
| 19:55.29 | Nivex | I explain this to the user, they hang up, and the queue has started to fill up. |
| 19:55.31 | drmessano | and this is from our corporate helpdesk |
| 19:55.37 | Nivex | "Help desk, this is Kevin. Email is down. How can I help you?" |
| 19:55.45 | drmessano | lol |
| 19:55.50 | sawgood | you could say: check the ISL for the latest status! |
| 19:55.51 | sawgood | ha! |
| 19:55.52 | Nivex | And they'd be off the phone in 2 sec. |
| 19:55.59 | drmessano | Nivex: If only you had a fucking light you could update all day long |
| 19:56.13 | sawgood | automatically done via scripts on the Mikrotik ... |
| 19:56.27 | sawgood | just a thought anyhow ... most think it is stupid |
| 19:56.33 | drmessano | sawgood: You mean OpenWRT running on a routerboard |
| 19:56.47 | Nivex | The other fun one was when everyone off continent fell off the internal IRC. The boss said "Go see if Bob is in the machine room." |
| 19:56.55 | sawgood | drmessano: 100% correct OpenWRT on a routerboard! |
| 19:56.57 | drmessano | Kinda sacrilegious to generically refer to it as a "Mikrotik" |
| 19:57.04 | drmessano | When you're not evne using RouterOS |
| 19:57.13 | drmessano | sacreligious |
| 19:57.16 | Nivex | So I get up from my desk and start walking toward the room. Boss came trailing from behind me saying "I was kidding!" Just then Bob came walking out of the server room. |
| 19:57.56 | Alagar | Hello TEam, could we install Mikrotik in desktop PC ? |
| 19:57.57 | Nivex | Bob sees both of us looking at him, deer in the headlights look. He had knocked loose the power cable for the trans-continental VPN server. |
| 19:58.10 | sawgood | drmessano: more like: you are "stuck" with RouterOS on a routerboard ... (depends) on your point of view |
| 19:58.18 | drmessano | sawgood: WTF |
| 19:58.31 | drmessano | sawgood: RouterOS is fucking great.. try actually using it sometime |
| 19:58.40 | sawgood | your stuck: I have an OS selection .... |
| 19:58.47 | drmessano | Im not stuck |
| 19:58.52 | sawgood | even Tomato if I desired it |
| 19:58.55 | drmessano | I buy Mikrotik FOR RouterOS |
| 19:59.08 | sawgood | cool:many others do that too ... so I understand |
| 19:59.16 | drmessano | Many others? |
| 19:59.23 | drmessano | You mean, everyone else |
| 19:59.24 | Samot | Like 99.999% |
| 19:59.33 | sawgood | in fact: routerOS has some cool features for switching/VLANS that I use to just like setting up |
| 19:59.46 | sawgood | right out of the box with one/two tweaks |
| 20:00.08 | sawgood | but: OpenWRT is so cool for me on other things |
| 20:00.32 | drmessano | Yeah so fucking cool |
| 20:00.35 | drmessano | I like my routers to route |
| 20:00.42 | sawgood | You might want to stick with Netgear Genie OS |
| 20:00.45 | sawgood | just kiddin! |
| 20:01.11 | drmessano | sawgood: I don't use my hardware as toys. I need them to be reliable |
| 20:01.41 | drmessano | I know thats different for you, and thats fine |
| 20:01.51 | sawgood | that is why OpenWRT is superior to routerOS in many fashions ... so that is what makes it reliable |
| 20:01.56 | sawgood | you'll get there ... one day |
| 20:01.56 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 20:01.59 | drmessano | Yeah, no |
| 20:02.07 | Samot | HAHAHA. |
| 20:02.09 | drmessano | I wouldnt be caught dead with OpenWRT in my enterprise |
| 20:02.15 | drmessano | Its a toy |
| 20:02.22 | Samot | http://hw-static.worldstarhiphop.com/pics/images/tp/1pyyia.jpg |
| 20:02.49 | sawgood | one day ... |
| 20:02.50 | drmessano | Are you just trolling or have you honestly just never used any of this stuff? |
| 20:03.17 | Samot | No real network admin is going to rely on OpenWRT |
| 20:03.25 | sawgood | RouterOS has its limits for SIP at times: ... |
| 20:03.31 | drmessano | No it doesnt |
| 20:03.31 | Samot | ROFL |
| 20:03.39 | Samot | Wow. |
| 20:04.24 | drmessano | sawgood: Many of us are using RouterOS boxes as solutions for sites with SIP issues on existing shit hardware |
| 20:04.28 | sawgood | one question (I forgot) was chan_pjsip part of Asterisk 12 (or) is it now just released in 13? |
| 20:04.36 | drmessano | We've recommended them on IRC hundreds of times |
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| 20:04.44 | drmessano | So what SIP issues, bro? |
| 20:04.46 | sawgood | I like RouterOS and I like OpenWRT |
| 20:04.49 | drmessano | So what SIP issues, bro? |
| 20:04.56 | drmessano | Care to elaborate? |
| 20:05.20 | sawgood | either way: I have a dual-OS mindset for MikroTiK: and you don't .... |
| 20:05.20 | drmessano | What SIP issues with RouterOS? |
| 20:05.31 | drmessano | or "limits" as you say |
| 20:05.34 | sawgood | and its not just MikroTIK I use OpenWRT on ... many other devices I've flashed .... |
| 20:05.40 | drmessano | What SIP issues with RouterOS? |
| 20:05.41 | drmessano | or "limits" as you say |
| 20:05.50 | drmessano | 16:03:26 <sawgood> RouterOS has its limits for SIP at times: ... |
| 20:05.59 | drmessano | What issues are you referring to? |
| 20:06.15 | sawgood | SIP and the "support" of SIP (passing-through) the device (and) the troubelshooting involved with that |
| 20:06.25 | Samot | Uhm. |
| 20:06.29 | Samot | Wow. |
| 20:06.33 | Samot | Vagueness much? |
| 20:06.36 | sawgood | so that is my point: re-directed as "supportin" SIP on the routerOS builds |
| 20:06.39 | drmessano | sawgood: That literally doesn't exist as a problem |
| 20:06.44 | Samot | At all. |
| 20:06.46 | Samot | Zero. |
| 20:06.49 | Samot | Nadda. |
| 20:06.51 | sawgood | cool ... for now .. that is all I got for you ... |
| 20:06.58 | Samot | So nothing. |
| 20:06.58 | drmessano | People put in ROS boxes and SIP issues go away |
| 20:07.03 | drmessano | So what issues? |
| 20:07.10 | sawgood | nothing in your eyes ... |
| 20:07.16 | drmessano | Elaborate |
| 20:07.16 | Samot | Well.. |
| 20:07.20 | drmessano | Its not in my eyes |
| 20:07.27 | drmessano | Its everyone that has used ROS for SIP |
| 20:07.34 | Samot | How often do you have an actual RouterOS device in front of SIP that you have issues with? |
| 20:07.36 | drmessano | I could invite them all to channel, if you lie |
| 20:07.38 | drmessano | I could invite them all to channel, if you like |
| 20:07.48 | sawgood | I'm in that channel too .... |
| 20:07.50 | Samot | I've converted three providers to MT |
| 20:07.56 | drmessano | sawgood: And? |
| 20:08.03 | Samot | And it's made all their SIP issues go away. |
| 20:08.12 | Samot | So please, tell me. |
| 20:08.18 | Samot | What is the issue with RouterOS and SIP? |
| 20:08.58 | sawgood | good ol Flytec must like selling you MT devices! |
| 20:09.53 | drmessano | I dont buy from them |
| 20:10.00 | drmessano | Not sure what the point of that is |
| 20:10.56 | sawgood | RouterOS is closer to a Cisco OS for networking .... and for lots that type of router logic fits best |
| 20:11.08 | drmessano | I use my Routers for routers |
| 20:11.17 | drmessano | Not as RasPi's |
| 20:11.29 | drmessano | OpenWRT is a toy for doing just that |
| 20:11.58 | sawgood | it can be: but scripted correct on the right hardware: it can work well as a SIP gateway too |
| 20:12.41 | sawgood | its clear you only want to use RouterOS .... alot like Ford Vs. Chevy |
| 20:12.45 | drmessano | I would literally never do that |
| 20:13.04 | sawgood | good: that is part of the enjoyment of speaking with you |
| 20:13.05 | drmessano | Please stop fucking telling me my preferences |
| 20:13.15 | drmessano | I can speak for myself |
| 20:13.40 | sawgood | <drmessano> sacreligious |
| 20:13.51 | drmessano | Yep |
| 20:13.51 | sawgood | so you to have a preference! |
| 20:14.01 | drmessano | To use a router as a router |
| 20:14.09 | drmessano | I stated it |
| 20:14.15 | sawgood | in your opinion (and) that is the only way you see things |
| 20:14.17 | drmessano | Multiple times |
| 20:14.34 | Samot | Well.. |
| 20:14.40 | Samot | I share his opinions and views. |
| 20:14.40 | sawgood | everything is bad and couldn't be as strong, must be incorrect as it there is only your one way |
| 20:14.45 | Samot | Using a router as a router |
| 20:14.48 | drmessano | You've stated my opinion is some kind of minority opinion |
| 20:14.53 | Samot | And the fact RouterOS has zero SIP issues. |
| 20:14.56 | drmessano | Which is YOUR fucking opinion, and not fact |
| 20:14.58 | sawgood | OpenWRT is a router os ... so there you go |
| 20:14.59 | drmessano | Nor is the SIP thing |
| 20:15.10 | drmessano | So please stop just making shit up |
| 20:15.23 | sawgood | SIP gateway using OpenWRT works and works well: and at times is superior to using RouterOS (in my opinion) |
| 20:15.26 | sawgood | so there you go |
| 20:15.49 | drmessano | What fucking SIP Gateway are you running? |
| 20:15.54 | drmessano | on a router? |
| 20:16.30 | sawgood | drmessano: did you know: one can install Asterisk under OpenWRT? |
| 20:16.30 | lorsungcu | and why |
| 20:16.34 | drmessano | You mean proxy? |
| 20:16.35 | drmessano | Why the fuck would you |
| 20:16.47 | drmessano | So you mean actual Asterisk installs |
| 20:16.48 | drmessano | Ok |
| 20:16.54 | drmessano | So again |
| 20:17.13 | drmessano | My applications is not hobby/toy |
| 20:17.22 | drmessano | I dont put Asterisk on routers |
| 20:17.31 | sawgood | we will leave that alone for now: but using OpenWRT as a "pass-through" device on a LAN/WAN is the form I'm speaking out in general |
| 20:17.32 | drmessano | I guess that works for you |
| 20:17.55 | sawgood | yes it does ... and I know that is not the way you would use a MikroTik for |
| 20:18.02 | drmessano | Dude |
| 20:18.13 | drmessano | I wouldnt use a ROUTER for ASTERISK regardless of platform |
| 20:18.16 | Nivex | popcorn.gif |
| 20:18.46 | drmessano | Thats NOT a reliable install |
| 20:18.46 | drmessano | I would never sell that |
| 20:18.46 | Samot | That's a hobby/funsies install. |
| 20:18.46 | drmessano | Or deploy that |
| 20:18.46 | Samot | Not a commercial solution. |
| 20:18.46 | drmessano | Samot: At BEST lol |
| 20:19.06 | sawgood | Here is an example: light example of Asterisk on a OpenWRT install ... |
| 20:19.24 | drmessano | Dont need one.. you had me at "Asterisk on OpenWRT" |
| 20:19.35 | sawgood | say you have that Asterisk on the MT using OpenWRT (register) as an end point (back) to a "hosted PBX' |
| 20:19.46 | sawgood | if that peer goes down: you can route calls to a cell phone |
| 20:19.48 | Samot | You can say it.. |
| 20:19.51 | Samot | I'd never do it. |
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| 20:20.05 | drmessano | Yeah I cant even |
| 20:20.12 | sawgood | that is just one light-light-example ... and case-usage (which) I've done with succes, but do not need to do anymore |
| 20:20.17 | sawgood | I have other ways now ... |
| 20:20.52 | sawgood | taking Asterisk installed (off) the MT and OpenWRT (because) I just don't do that anymore ... |
| 20:21.16 | sawgood | I have other reasons for using OpenWRT instead of RouerOS when the MT is the "edge" device of a LAN/WAN |
| 20:21.28 | Samot | Wait.. |
| 20:21.38 | drmessano | This is like shit I would have sold my neighbors when I was trying to make money in High School |
| 20:21.39 | Samot | It's kinda, technically a holiday weekend... |
| 20:21.44 | Samot | Are people just drunk today? |
| 20:21.45 | drmessano | Home PBX on a router |
| 20:22.03 | sawgood | maybe ... in theory that is possible but I wouldn't try it ... |
| 20:22.21 | sawgood | others try that same thing on a PI (load) FPbX on a PI as a PBX |
| 20:22.31 | Samot | For home/hobby |
| 20:22.41 | Samot | They are never recommended for business use |
| 20:22.44 | sawgood | others try to put FPBX on a NUC too ... even 3CX sells that way |
| 20:22.45 | Samot | At all |
| 20:22.53 | sawgood | no way ... not at all ... |
| 20:23.13 | sawgood | in fact, I've changed the min RAM from 2GB to 4GB in most installs |
| 20:23.15 | drmessano | Why are you agreeing after arguing that you do just that? |
| 20:23.34 | drmessano | Whatever |
| 20:23.41 | sawgood | I do not put Asterisk on OpenWRT, but in theory for some light-use examples I have and could ... but I don't |
| 20:24.22 | drmessano | You have, but you don't.. ok |
| 20:24.33 | sawgood | If I had a 1U server on a LAN (running Asterisk) ... in front of it ... I am 100% ok with the WAN edge router runing OpenWRT (for lots of reason) and/or RouterOS ... |
| 20:24.48 | sawgood | that is the point ... you only want RouterOS in front of your Asterisk units |
| 20:25.04 | drmessano | That wasnt my point |
| 20:25.08 | sawgood | or maybe another router as long as it was not OpenWRT |
| 20:26.37 | drmessano | Im not going to sell OpenWRT boxes or deploy them in production. It's a hobby distro |
| 20:26.49 | Samot | ^^^^ |
| 20:26.54 | drmessano | Buying a Mikrotik box and putting OpenWRT on them is high school shit |
| 20:27.00 | sawgood | some would say that about RouterOS too (hobby build) |
| 20:27.00 | drmessano | or hobby |
| 20:27.07 | drmessano | sawgood: No one does |
| 20:27.34 | sawgood | yes they do .... |
| 20:27.40 | Samot | Who? |
| 20:27.42 | Samot | Who is they? |
| 20:27.46 | drmessano | sawgood: Go find a commercial $2000 router running OpenWRT |
| 20:27.48 | sawgood | you might not like to hear that ... but RouterOS is just one of many options ... even if I like RouterOS |
| 20:27.48 | drmessano | I'll wait |
| 20:27.48 | Samot | Where do they say this? |
| 20:27.59 | drmessano | sawgood: Go find a commercial $500 router running OpenWRT |
| 20:28.02 | drmessano | I'll wait |
| 20:28.53 | sawgood | better question: when RouterOS does not work for you: what is your backup? |
| 20:28.58 | drmessano | People have ROS boxes in Datacenters, enterprises, small business.. I don't see OpenWRT getting use in mose of those places. It's a hobby OS |
| 20:29.39 | drmessano | sawgood: When doesnt it work? |
| 20:29.39 | drmessano | Come up with a scenario? |
| 20:29.39 | sawgood | it is a hobby os ... so is RouterOS ... its just backed by MikroTik |
| 20:29.39 | drmessano | When its not PBX? |
| 20:29.39 | drmessano | RouterOS isn't a hobby OS |
| 20:29.42 | sawgood | Poor man's Cisco OS in some eyes |
| 20:29.49 | drmessano | Says who? |
| 20:29.58 | drmessano | All the enterprises deploying it? |
| 20:30.25 | drmessano | Where's the enterprise OpenWRT stuff? |
| 20:30.49 | sawgood | don't need it: it works well at the SMB level and is well accepted |
| 20:30.57 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 20:31.05 | drmessano | Because it's a hobby OS |
| 20:31.07 | sawgood | enterprise is a different story (I'm telling you) I'm a routerOS fan (for years and years) |
| 20:31.17 | sawgood | it is a hobby os that is very stable |
| 20:31.42 | sawgood | works well (even) if its not for you |
| 20:31.42 | drmessano | People wouldn't be caught dead running OpenWRT in critical applications |
| 20:31.49 | drmessano | Period |
| 20:32.20 | Samot | Does OpenWRT do BGP? |
| 20:32.20 | sawgood | one thing I dig is when I use RouterOS: I'm saving time on not having to put OpenWRT on the MT box |
| 20:32.22 | Samot | Or OSPF? |
| 20:33.06 | Samot | RIP? |
| 20:33.09 | Samot | Any of that? |
| 20:33.17 | Samot | Does it have MPLS support? |
| 20:33.19 | sawgood | no way: use RouterOS ... |
| 20:33.23 | Samot | So.. |
| 20:33.27 | Samot | How is RouterOS a hobby OS? |
| 20:33.44 | sawgood | but when you have a small office using SIP for LAN based phones: OpenWRT has the tools to support that |
| 20:33.54 | drmessano | WHAT TOOLS? |
| 20:34.04 | Samot | Yeah.. |
| 20:34.08 | drmessano | You keep droning on about SIP this and SIP that |
| 20:34.09 | sawgood | anything outside of that .... use RouterOS for the bigger stuff |
| 20:34.13 | drmessano | You keep droning on about SIP this and SIP that |
| 20:34.17 | drmessano | What tools? |
| 20:34.20 | drmessano | Asterisk? |
| 20:34.36 | drmessano | Because you're telling us you DONT install Asterisk on it, but have implied twice that you do |
| 20:34.41 | drmessano | SO which is it? |
| 20:34.51 | sawgood | I have ... but there is no need for it ... anymore ... |
| 20:34.56 | drmessano | ...... |
| 20:35.02 | Samot | What tools? |
| 20:35.17 | drmessano | 16:33:45 <sawgood> but when you have a small office using SIP for LAN based phones: OpenWRT has the tools to support that |
| 20:35.18 | Samot | What tolls does OpenWRT have that make it so great for SIP? |
| 20:35.20 | drmessano | ^ What tools? |
| 20:35.22 | sawgood | tools that are not part of RouterOS (and) if you don't know them: then you do not know OpenWRT |
| 20:35.24 | Samot | tools |
| 20:35.32 | drmessano | What tools? |
| 20:35.36 | sawgood | which is ok ... re-visit OpenWRT for networking troubleshooting tools .... |
| 20:35.41 | drmessano | I wanna go google it |
| 20:35.45 | Samot | Does your girlfriend live in Canada? |
| 20:35.46 | drmessano | So I am asking |
| 20:35.47 | drmessano | What tools? |
| 20:35.52 | Samot | Is her name Sandy Glass? |
| 20:36.32 | drmessano | sawgood: Im looking at the OpenWRT wiki |
| 20:36.49 | drmessano | and I see no special SIP tools |
| 20:36.50 | drmessano | so I am asking |
| 20:36.50 | drmessano | What tools? |
| 20:36.50 | drmessano | I know we're fucking dumb, but enlighten us |
| 20:37.02 | sawgood | good: you'll see there are many packages available that allow troubleshoting networking traffic |
| 20:37.04 | drmessano | sipproxd? |
| 20:37.31 | drmessano | Is this all about using sipproxd |
| 20:37.49 | sawgood | I've used that in the past ... tie it into Kamailio ... |
| 20:37.57 | drmessano | So what SIP tools? |
| 20:37.59 | sawgood | but no ... not sipproxd (which) has been around a long time |
| 20:38.11 | sawgood | networking tools to troubleshoot SIP ... and other networking conditions |
| 20:38.13 | drmessano | 16:33:45 <sawgood> but when you have a small office using SIP for LAN based phones: OpenWRT has the tools to support that |
| 20:39.21 | sawgood | lots of people discount OpenWRT as being viable: but it has a following ... |
| 20:39.29 | sawgood | that is about it ... |
| 20:46.07 | sawgood | is it true chan_sip is no longer supported by Digium (I've been reading this) |
| 20:51.13 | file | unless a security issue is filed against chan_sip we do not take solve issues/problems with it |
| 20:51.47 | sawgood | cool ... question because I forgot: did chan_pjsip 1st show up with Asterisk 12? |
| 20:51.57 | file | yes. |
| 20:52.02 | sawgood | hmm ... ty! |
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| 21:13.02 | drmessano | sawgood: Which Routerboard are you using for OpenWRT? |
| 21:23.50 | sawgood | drmessano: Well most are gone now: because the FLASH was cut in 1/2 a few years back ... (but) I stocked up |
| 21:23.55 | sawgood | Let me grab the model |
| 21:26.14 | sawgood | the RB750GL model (white box) |
| 21:27.18 | lorsungcu | lol |
| 21:28.52 | sawgood | wouldn't it be cool if MT added an ASDL2+ style jack into one of their units ... so you wouldn' have a need to use the ISPs gear |
| 21:29.20 | lorsungcu | there is an SFP you can purchase that does just that |
| 21:29.29 | sawgood | Draytek? |
| 21:30.41 | lorsungcu | no |
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| 21:32.39 | sawgood | who is SFP? |
| 21:32.45 | Samot | ROFL |
| 21:32.48 | Samot | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:32.55 | Samot | falls over |
| 21:33.51 | lvlinux | lol |
| 21:34.33 | sawgood | most other "all in one units" with a modem are no good (never been anygood) |
| 21:35.14 | sawgood | but Draytek might be differnt ... (time will tell) ... they can watch SIP and provide MOS they say? |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | What is all this SIP watching? |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | Which units? |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | Why do your routers spend so much time analyzing SIP? |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | powerful stuff you can do from the CLI of OpenWRT which you cannot do with RouterOS ... that is what ... |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | Like WHAT? |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | you tell me ... you know RouterOS ... |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | What is all this SIP stuff you can do with OpenWRT |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | Wait.. |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | I use Drayteks |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | All this "powerful stuff"? |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | SSH into that box: and try some of the networking stuff ffrom the CLI ... you cannot do it |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | And MTs |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | ha! |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | So... |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | What shit are you talking about? |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | sawgood: I can do all that |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | doesn't exist ... ha! |
| 21:38.35 | Samot | What models do what you are saying? |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | What is all this SIP stuff you can do with OpenWRT |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | name ONE tool |
| 21:38.35 | sawgood | you keep mentioning "SIP stuff" when many times I've revised this to mean "troubleing" the SIP on the LAN using networking utilities |
| 21:38.35 | drmessano | What is one SIP-specific tool you use on OpenWRT to analyzing SIP? |
| 21:38.36 | sawgood | so, your point is old man! |
| 21:38.36 | Samot | Why do you need these tools? |
| 21:38.36 | drmessano | YOU keep mentioning "SIP Stuff" |
| 21:38.36 | drmessano | Those are YOUR words |
| 21:38.36 | drmessano | But you refuse to tell anyone |
| 21:38.36 | sawgood | they've been updated to stop your dead-horse beating ... you like to do that |
| 21:38.36 | sawgood | its your thing |
| 21:38.36 | Samot | 5:35:04 PM <sawgood> but Draytek might be differnt ... (time will tell) ... they can watch SIP and provide MOS they say? |
| 21:38.36 | Samot | << What MODELS? |
| 21:38.36 | drmessano | lol what |
| 21:38.44 | drmessano | Name 1 tool you use for troubleshooting SIP from OpenWRT |
| 21:38.47 | drmessano | Please |
| 21:38.51 | drmessano | Enlighten me |
| 21:39.23 | sawgood | again ... using networking utitities from the CLI of an OpenWRT router ... which are not available from the CLI of an RouterOS unit |
| 21:39.34 | drmessano | Name 1 tool you use for troubleshooting SIP from OpenWRT |
| 21:39.37 | drmessano | Just one |
| 21:39.38 | drmessano | Thats all |
| 21:39.45 | sawgood | that = troubleshooting what SIP could do or might do: by using Linux CLI utilities |
| 21:39.51 | drmessano | ROFL |
| 21:39.55 | drmessano | You cant |
| 21:40.30 | drmessano | You absolutely can't name one tool |
| 21:40.30 | sawgood | you cannot do that on your RouterOS builds: unless that has changed ... |
| 21:40.30 | drmessano | So this is hyperbole at best |
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| 21:40.35 | sawgood | from the CLI of RouterOS: what standard LInux based (commonly used) networking utlities are available |
| 21:40.39 | sawgood | you name 1 ... just one! |
| 21:40.41 | drmessano | I asked you to name one |
| 21:40.46 | drmessano | on OpenWRT |
| 21:40.47 | drmessano | One |
| 21:40.50 | drmessano | Name 1 tool you use for troubleshooting SIP from OpenWRT |
| 21:40.53 | salviadud | wireshark cli version? |
| 21:40.54 | drmessano | and you havent so far |
| 21:41.04 | drmessano | So please, you first |
| 21:41.05 | lorsungcu | salviadud: that's possible from MT |
| 21:41.11 | drmessano | Yep |
| 21:41.38 | salviadud | tcpdump! |
| 21:42.09 | salviadud | is just guessing away |
| 21:42.09 | sawgood | you keep calling this SIP so that later you can twist words: but I'm talking about using other linux tools as a tool-set to watch/examine how SIP traffic might work on the LAN/WAN |
| 21:42.09 | sawgood | tcpdump is also on OpenWRT .. .it too is Linux based |
| 21:42.09 | Samot | 5:38:16 PMÂ <Samot>Â 5:35:04 PM <sawgood> but Draytek might be differnt ... (time will tell) ... they can watch SIP and provide MOS they say? <<-- Well I don't know who "they" are but "they" are wrong. |
| 21:42.26 | sawgood | I'll give you one: one that is not on RouterOS which is on OpenWRT (and) if it is ... its ok ... I just didn't know it was (Because) I use it from OpenWRT |
| 21:42.49 | lorsungcu | sawgood: i've never once needed anything like that. its not that i don't believe you, i just cant think of anything openWRT might have that isnt provided for in ROS somehow |
| 21:42.49 | drmessano | Go ahead, please |
| 21:42.49 | drmessano | give me one |
| 21:42.49 | sawgood | mtr, iftop, ntop, netcat ... .list goes on |
| 21:42.56 | sawgood | can you do that from the CLI of RouterOS? |
| 21:43.30 | sawgood | hmmm ... probably not ... |
| 21:43.59 | sawgood | those are powerful LInux based networking tools which are not part of the CLI (via) SSH on a RouterOS box |
| 21:44.34 | sawgood | sorry if I did not get my point across on this sooner and that I mixed this up with SIP troubleshooting |
| 21:44.34 | drmessano | So give me one instance where you needed to run mtr instead of traceroute |
| 21:44.34 | sawgood | I'd like for them to be part of RouerOS |
| 21:44.35 | drmessano | and how does that affect SIP, specifically |
| 21:44.46 | sawgood | would make it much easier to user RouterOS |
| 21:45.05 | sawgood | you are twisting again ... beating that deed-horse ... let it go |
| 21:45.13 | drmessano | I can also analyze bandwidth |
| 21:45.26 | sawgood | not with mtr from the CLI! |
| 21:45.49 | drmessano | So give me one instance where you needed to run mtr instead of traceroute |
| 21:45.49 | drmessano | Please |
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| 22:34.20 | Samot | Well |
| 22:34.52 | Samot | When you asked about having a DSL port on the MT... |
| 22:35.03 | Samot | And lorsungcu said "they have SFP" you were lost.. |
| 22:35.48 | sawgood | not really , but I was not hearing it the same way |
| 22:35.51 | drmessano | He thought he didn't know what that was, but he realized he always did |
| 22:35.54 | drmessano | Leave him alone |
| 22:36.02 | sawgood | but why tell you: you have made up your mind on how others read/see/think (ha) |
| 22:36.40 | drmessano | sawgood: So you've always known what SFP devices are? |
| 22:36.46 | sawgood | SFP is a term ... that you have learned and throw around and then laugh if someone else thinks or thought those 3 letters meant something else |
| 22:36.49 | drmessano | lorsungcu just wasn't clear? |
| 22:37.20 | drmessano | SFP is ubiquitous as RJ11 |
| 22:37.30 | drmessano | There is no out of context use |
| 22:39.39 | sawgood | OpenWRT from a CLI only point of view is stonger than RouterOS, so let it go |
| 22:40.10 | sawgood | you'll not change my opinion either as I won't yours (because) OpenWRT is a hobby only OS and has no place in the "real" world |
| 22:40.11 | sawgood | ha! |
| 22:40.19 | drmessano | I know you don't work with any hardware that doesnt come from Walmart |
| 22:40.20 | drmessano | But |
| 22:40.26 | drmessano | You mentioned DSL |
| 22:40.34 | drmessano | and lorsungcu stated it exists as an SFP |
| 22:40.39 | drmessano | That wasnt out of context or unclear |
| 22:40.50 | sawgood | funny: you're the one who knows hardware is sold at Wal-Mart ... |
| 22:41.02 | Samot | Oh dear god. |
| 22:41.04 | sawgood | you shop for Dell at Wal=Mart too? |
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| 22:41.17 | drmessano | Wait, what is going on here |
| 22:41.54 | Samot | Stoner mind trick |
| 22:42.13 | drmessano | Samot: Is that available in SFP? |
| 22:42.14 | NonaSuomy | file good catch again, seems like its working just doesn't read what it says its saying but it's playing that gsm beep file fine https://pastebin.com/63V9GFVc so probably something with festival maybe |
| 22:42.16 | drmessano | Also, who is SFP? |
| 22:42.33 | NonaSuomy | guessing getting sphinx going as well will be an up hill battle |
| 22:42.47 | drmessano | Samot: In his defence, they don't put SFPs on Belkins |
| 22:43.13 | drmessano | Anyway, time for /ignore |
| 22:43.15 | drmessano | Yawn |
| 22:43.23 | sawgood | yawn is right |
| 22:43.38 | NonaSuomy | maybe festival is working as it's saying tick tock waiting for input from the user. |
| 22:43.54 | NonaSuomy | oh shit its fully working |
| 22:43.59 | drmessano | Go Google SFP, sawgood .. you might learn something about grown-up networks |
| 22:44.07 | NonaSuomy | I just said go north and it started reading the zork script |
| 22:44.10 | sawgood | wow ... what ever ... yawn |
| 22:44.33 | NonaSuomy | I'm impressed that 12 year old code still works in asterisk :D |
| 22:45.00 | sawgood | you consider MikroTik with RouterOS as a grown up network (enjoy) your CCNA studies |
| 22:45.26 | sawgood | all done ... because I have a new question to ask you guys |
| 22:45.30 | drmessano | sawgood: sick burn |
| 22:45.35 | Samot | Of course you do.. |
| 22:45.42 | drmessano | You always have a question |
| 22:45.49 | sawgood | no hard feelings about RouterOS .... |
| 22:45.54 | drmessano | lots of them for an "expert" that likes to boast and argue about what he knows |
| 22:45.54 | Samot | Sure. |
| 22:46.03 | Samot | What are the questions? |
| 22:46.20 | sawgood | oh, I forgot how was the basic D&D session from the other night? |
| 22:46.26 | sawgood | the big game! |
| 22:46.34 | drmessano | Does this apply to Asterisk 1.8 on OpenWRT? |
| 22:46.39 | Samot | It's was awesome. |
| 22:46.51 | Samot | Stay on target.... |
| 22:46.54 | Samot | Questions... |
| 22:46.57 | sawgood | I like playing a ranger sometimes ... |
| 22:47.05 | Samot | gets out the laser pointer |
| 22:47.07 | Samot | OVER HERE |
| 22:47.10 | Samot | QUESTIONS |
| 22:47.43 | sawgood | yep Asterisk questions, huh ... now that we have a clean network path via that router open! |
| 22:47.44 | sawgood | ha! |
| 22:48.21 | sawgood | Did you know: Digium will soon have some external FXO / FXS gateways released ... |
| 22:48.31 | sawgood | that is going to be a nice add for them! |
| 22:48.47 | Samot | Uhm. |
| 22:49.09 | Samot | Can you stay on the topic you started? |
| 22:49.11 | Samot | Seriously? |
| 22:49.13 | salviadud | I got a semi-stupid question, if I have an old laptop with one of those 56k modems, will it work on dahdi? |
| 22:49.22 | sawgood | aslomg Asterisk questions ... now that RouterOS is closed? |
| 22:49.26 | salviadud | Can I turn that into an fxo port for example? |
| 22:49.36 | sawgood | salviadud: no |
| 22:49.58 | salviadud | useless then |
| 22:50.34 | sawgood | get a TDM board from Digium ... I saw a good one for $25 bucks with 2 FXS (green boards) installed |
| 22:51.03 | sawgood | on eBay ... and they have them with FXO boards too (if you wanted) say a starter TDM style PCI board |
| 22:51.50 | salviadud | I already own a 4 port for the office, I was just wondering if I could pull of some mad-science. |
| 22:52.05 | salviadud | I'll stick to my ATA |
| 22:52.22 | sawgood | Samot: Here is my question: have you used the "newer" module (made) by Digium for FPBX (which) allows one to provision Digium phones (outside) of using EPM (and) staying in the GUI |
| 22:52.26 | NonaSuomy | sphinx thinks when I say go I mean kill so go north => kill north, good ol sphinx |
| 22:52.35 | sawgood | I forgot the name of this module (looking now) |
| 22:53.38 | sawgood | DPAF (Digium Phones Add-on for FreeePBX) |
| 22:54.01 | Samot | What about it? |
| 22:54.05 | Samot | I don't use it |
| 22:54.09 | Samot | I don't use Digium phones |
| 22:54.18 | NonaSuomy | what phones do you use |
| 22:54.20 | sawgood | its new: adn I'm going to use it on a D70 (sad to see this phone go EOL) |
| 22:54.46 | sawgood | The D70 is such a nice design for a phone ... but its gone now ... |
| 22:55.44 | sawgood | The D65 has a color screen and the BLFs would be part of the main LCD ... I think people really like those buttons over to the right ... |
| 22:56.06 | sawgood | The D70 has 12 or so PFKs (BLFs) on the right (with) LCD readout |
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| 22:56.49 | Samot | Me? I use Polycoms, Cisco SPA Series, snom, Aastra and Yealinks when needed. |
| 22:58.00 | sawgood | Samot: Last week I almost bought the Snom 765 (what a cool phone) ... it would work well ... for me on my desk |
| 22:58.11 | sawgood | probably one of the better designed phones by Snom (a power house)! |
| 22:59.35 | lorsungcu | sawgood: i like the way you talk |
| 23:02.11 | drmessano | lorsungcu: You mean like "I love Chocolate Ice Cream, it's better than Turkey" |
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| 23:14.01 | Samot | This like basic contractor stuff |
| 23:14.47 | Samot | Or get a DECT set that can plug into the ATAs or the wall jacks you do have. |
| 23:16.59 | hdon | i'm not really doing this to be practical. cordless seems like it would defeat the purpose. i just missed having a hardline in the house. i got three older ones for $25. this basic shape: https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1882218664003583618?q=at%26t+pots+phones+1970&biw=1920&bih=1107&bav=on.2,or.&tch=1&ech=1&psi=SNBaWZnkJqbl0gLj5IP4AQ.1499123785192.7&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2mJWtn-7UAhXmhVQKHVmHAeoQ8wIItAIwAQ |
| 23:17.08 | hdon | just image https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcT89hJBmAHadgldSrpt5WBBRrUieQlPPAE5qzAg-IP5-WXwQBG2AS9miU3JX9Xdt7OeXxvRyxM7&usqp=CAY |
| 23:18.19 | Samot | Then it looks like you're fishing line |
| 23:18.45 | hdon | yep |
| 23:18.49 | Samot | If you're looking to install jacks in the house |
| 23:22.57 | lorsungcu | is core reload enough to pull in new pjsip settings? |
| 23:45.50 | newtonr | lorsungcu, should get everything except changes to transports I believe |
| 23:45.58 | lorsungcu | thanks |
