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| 00:15.45 | rue_house | so in reverse polarity signalling, the polarity is reversed by the fxo when the fxs closes the line, and then if the fxo is terminating the call it reverses the polarity back, otherwise it re-reverses when the fxs hangs up? |
| 00:16.34 | rue_house | aka, the first reversal happens AFTER the ringing... ? |
| 00:17.11 | rue_house | ring ring close reverse audio {close | reverse } |
| 00:24.19 | rue_house | https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice/analog-signaling-e-m-did-fxs-fxo/8120-fxo-disconnect.html |
| 00:24.24 | rue_house | its only missing the one diagram |
| 00:46.15 | [TK]D-Fender | DAHDI supports this as I recall |
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| 01:28.23 | drmessano | rue_house: This is already supported in DAHDI. what are you trying to convert? |
| 01:28.47 | drmessano | To answer your question, itâs not possible |
| 01:29.44 | drmessano | Youâre basically talking about building a DC to DC auto sensing power supply |
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| 01:36.46 | [TK]D-Fender | Oh those.... |
| 01:36.56 | [TK]D-Fender | Aisle 3, just to the left of the unicorns :) |
| 02:05.13 | rue_house | either is a peice of asterisk equitpment |
| 02:06.25 | rue_house | but I have the idea that a polarity reversing relay with its coil inserted in the loop will work as long as it can be pulled in by the loop current |
| 02:08.18 | drmessano | Hope youre using a time-delay relay |
| 02:08.43 | rue_house | well I think it would have to be a make-before-break relay, but I dont know an old enough line tech to ask ! |
| 02:09.37 | rue_house | I also dont know how loop current sense relays were rated back in the day they were used |
| 02:09.41 | drmessano | make-before-break is going to short the battery momentarily |
| 02:09.57 | rue_house | I know they liked to keep everything balanced on the tip and ring |
| 02:10.15 | drmessano | Probably not a good idea |
| 02:10.28 | rue_house | drmessano, yes, as it does the polarity reversal, so the coil would be on the FXO side of the reversing contacts |
| 02:10.52 | drmessano | I cant see doing this with a relay, and a power supply wont work unless you capactively couple the audio |
| 02:11.12 | rue_house | the battery is the power supply |
| 02:11.52 | rue_house | back in the day they used the loop current to pull a relay, they would bypass it somehow, a 2uF cap maybe? |
| 02:12.09 | rue_house | I dont have any books old enough |
| 02:12.48 | rue_house | I'm sure there is a book on how to build a relay based pbx somewhere, a training manual for what people needed to know a loooooong time ag |
| 02:12.49 | rue_house | o |
| 02:16.39 | rue_house | I have "Line communication" circa 1947 too |
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| 04:39.11 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.17 | rue_house | 5 Henries, 200ohms |
| 04:39.21 | rue_house | (relay coil) |
| 04:44.52 | drmessano | Ok, and what exactly is that going to do here? |
| 04:45.12 | rue_house | sense loop current |
| 04:46.33 | rue_house | I think, if I close a relay for as long as there is loop current, and use the relay to reverse the relay-fxs side polarity, I can adapt a battery denial disconnect circuit to a polarity reverse disconnect equiptment |
| 04:47.20 | rue_house | right now they have a system that dosn't do reverse polarity to a system that cant to battery loss disconnect supervision |
| 04:47.27 | rue_house | so calls keep getting locked up |
| 04:47.52 | drmessano | I dont know how the coil from an A relay is going to help sense loop current |
| 04:48.11 | drmessano | Theres nothing special about that part of the equation |
| 04:48.22 | rue_house | part of the problem is that the parties who operate the equipment on both sides dont have a clue |
| 04:48.36 | rue_house | the coil goes in series with the loop |
| 04:48.47 | rue_house | when there is loop current, it pulls in the relay |
| 04:49.27 | rue_house | the relay reverses the FXS polarity, untill the FXO does the battery denial, resetting the relay |
| 04:50.05 | rue_house | if I'm not missing dotted i's and crossed t's, I think it'll work |
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| 04:50.56 | drmessano | You keep repeating that over and over. I understand what you think youâre trying to do. But a coil from an A relay doesnât make possess magical properties to only detect loop current |
| 04:51.32 | rue_house | good point, it'll freak out on ring current |
| 04:51.59 | rue_house | it would need a bypass capacitor anyhow to not attenuate audio |
| 04:52.07 | drmessano | An âAâ relay was designed to isolate voice and DC. Thatâs all. |
| 04:52.08 | rue_house | hmm, that might pass enough ring current |
| 04:53.02 | rue_house | ... :) I am getting the warm feeling your versed in relay based exchanges |
| 04:53.24 | drmessano | I know things. Thatâs all |
| 04:53.45 | rue_house | well I'v not come across the term "A" relay |
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| 04:55.25 | drmessano | They were used at the CO for isolating voice and DC. 2 of those 5h 200 ohm coils in series with a 2uf capacitor to pass the audio. It was a DC blocker |
| 04:56.22 | rue_house | ok |
| 04:56.40 | rue_house | did they use them to sense loop current on FXS pickup? |
| 04:57.04 | rue_house | (and maybe count dial pulses) |
| 04:58.34 | drmessano | No part of that is an active device |
| 04:59.27 | rue_house | I'm pretty sure there was a loop current sense relay |
| 05:00.27 | drmessano | Ok lets take a step back here |
| 05:01.05 | rue_house | the two parties I'm appealing to to try to make them understand that the reason their calls keep locking up is because they have a disconnect supervision mismatch? |
| 05:01.10 | drmessano | You do understand that neither an inductor or a capacitor in any combination is an active device of any sort, right |
| 05:01.20 | rue_house | I do |
| 05:01.26 | drmessano | That NONE of this "Senses" or detects |
| 05:01.44 | rue_house | right, a relay pulls in when there is coil current |
| 05:01.58 | drmessano | You cant just shove a coil from an A relay in the loop with a relay and it suddenly only responds to loop current |
| 05:02.03 | rue_house | the coil is non-ideal and has resistance and inductance |
| 05:02.16 | rue_house | ? |
| 05:02.39 | rue_house | no, I'm talking about inserting the relay itself |
| 05:02.54 | rue_house | I'm trying to understand the standards for the relays they used 'back in the day' |
| 05:03.14 | drmessano | and again |
| 05:03.24 | drmessano | That relay, is a simple T network |
| 05:03.34 | rue_house | I know that a) they were always two coil relays, because they would keep the circuit balanced, b) the relays were rated in ohms, not volts or current |
| 05:03.38 | drmessano | It doesn't magically detect anything specific |
| 05:04.00 | drmessano | Everything is rated in volts and current and ohms |
| 05:04.06 | drmessano | You cant have one without the others |
| 05:04.18 | rue_house | odl telco relays will say "3300 ohms" not "12VDC" |
| 05:04.36 | drmessano | They wouldnt need to specify that, battery is ONE voltage |
| 05:04.45 | rue_house | I'm not saying they dont have a volt/current rating, just that they were reffered to in ohms |
| 05:05.18 | rue_house | ah, so it was inferred that they are all 48V |
| 05:05.53 | drmessano | But again, even finding an "A" relay and putting it in the line.. its not just going to respond to loop current.. you're missing like.. the entire rest of a circuit |
| 05:06.19 | rue_house | the bypass stuff |
| 05:06.24 | drmessano | No |
| 05:06.29 | drmessano | That IS the bypass stuff |
| 05:06.32 | drmessano | Thats ALL you have |
| 05:06.48 | rue_house | if I step back a bit here |
| 05:07.15 | drmessano | That coil is ONE part of a circuit that isolates the battery and voice |
| 05:07.17 | drmessano | and thats all |
| 05:07.29 | rue_house | and say "is there a simple circuit that effectivly converts battery denial hangup supervision to reverse polarity hangup supervision, is there an answer? |
| 05:07.50 | drmessano | No, there is no simple circuit. I thought I answered that last night |
| 05:07.51 | rue_house | (assuming of course I close a quote in there) |
| 05:08.18 | rue_house | so far I'v absorbed from you that what I'm planning wont work, not that it isn't possable |
| 05:08.53 | drmessano | This is 1000x easier to do in software than hardware |
| 05:09.06 | rue_house | well I have two idiots that I cant make understand the problem |
| 05:09.21 | drmessano | I'll even offer this |
| 05:09.23 | rue_house | one running one piece of equip, one running the other, and the two dont talk |
| 05:09.50 | rue_house | and I'm the only one who knows why this whole *****n-maru dosn't work properly |
| 05:09.57 | rue_house | :) |
| 05:10.06 | drmessano | I checked two sites that specialized in "hard to find telco gadgets" that WOULD sell something that fit your need, if it existed. I also checked a site I use for Broadcast gear. Nobody even makes a box to sell that would do that |
| 05:10.32 | rue_house | :/ |
| 05:10.35 | rue_house | that is good |
| 05:10.54 | rue_house | it means that everyone else running equip is smart enough to understand this problem and avoid it properly |
| 05:11.40 | drmessano | Well, to that extent.. One site I use even mentions the difference, and it being offered in the tester, and the need to avoid trying to install equipment that isn't compatible |
| 05:11.47 | drmessano | So basically "Test it and run" |
| 05:12.33 | rue_house | I work in construction, I cant tell you how many times two parties that are supposed to interface both leave there wires where the would come togethor and walk away |
| 05:13.29 | rue_house | imagine one party installing a heater, and another the thermostat, and neither party would install the interconnecting wire cause 'it wasn't their job' |
| 05:14.12 | rue_house | I'm the guy who is brought in to clean up |
| 05:14.34 | drmessano | That's pretty common these days. I've spent years interfacing gear to the PSTN. I can't even count the number of times I was told "We don't support that". Because, to be fair, 99% of it wasn't a telephone in any way |
| 05:14.43 | rue_house | and no, its not my job, but YES, I WILL repair the drywall when I'm done. |
| 05:14.59 | rue_house | heh |
| 05:16.10 | rue_house | they are using a funny brand voip phone system, and its being interfaced with a nursecall system |
| 05:17.00 | rue_house | if I wanted to learn everything about the voip gear (which seems to be locked behind NDAs) I'd tell them which settings to change |
| 05:17.18 | rue_house | I tried to describe the problem to them, their phone techs could NOT understand |
| 05:18.19 | rue_house | so after every second nursecall they unplug all the lines... <arg> |
| 05:18.31 | rue_house | (and phone me again) |
| 05:18.52 | drmessano | which end is expecting polarity reversal? |
| 05:18.58 | rue_house | voip |
| 05:19.07 | rue_house | (FXS) |
| 05:19.15 | rue_house | the nursecall presents as FXO |
| 05:20.08 | rue_house | http://mmust.elimu.net/BSC%28ELEC_COMM%29/Year_5/ELC-523-Advanced%20Communication%20Systems/Switching/Images/Manned%20CB%20Exchange.GIF |
| 05:20.13 | rue_house | mmmm "Relay" |
| 05:20.24 | rue_house | (sigh) |
| 05:23.07 | rue_house | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:American_telephone_practice_%281905%29_%2814569859547%29.jpg |
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| 05:23.21 | rue_house | its intersting how old schematics always seem slightly 'off' |
| 05:23.40 | rue_house | like they were made of peices of wood and hand wound wire :) |
| 05:24.28 | drmessano | Hand drawn. Have done many that way |
| 05:24.37 | drmessano | Mostly on napkins |
| 05:24.50 | rue_house | NAD |
| 05:25.22 | rue_house | the first important step to a good CAD drawing |
| 05:25.55 | rue_house | drmessano, idea |
| 05:26.19 | rue_house | you prolly had your fingers and mind into a billion brands of void telco equip by now? |
| 05:27.05 | drmessano | Some, sure |
| 05:27.08 | rue_house | how about if I find out what they have and maybe you could throw a clue on a setting to change? |
| 05:27.19 | rue_house | if I can name a setting, maybe they can find it |
| 05:27.29 | drmessano | Its worth a shot |
| 05:27.35 | rue_house | ok |
| 05:27.59 | rue_house | cause I'v kinda had it with trying to undersand turn of the century telephone engineering |
| 05:28.37 | rue_house | from what I can tell, telephones were the rocket-science of their day |
| 05:29.01 | rue_house | no straight answers, simply know everything |
| 05:29.59 | rue_house | I'v only just started to grasp how transformer hybrids work |
| 05:30.28 | drmessano | So from what I am seeing, and not sure outdated this is |
| 05:30.40 | drmessano | Since we don't use polarity reversal here at all |
| 05:30.49 | drmessano | In Asterisk, using DAHDI |
| 05:31.19 | drmessano | In places that do use polarity reversal. Some seem to use loopstart and busydetect to get proper disconnect supervision |
| 05:31.25 | drmessano | Do those exist on this PBX? |
| 05:32.39 | rue_house | and it only just struck me that the "resistance" on those old relays, is probably really an impedence |
| 05:33.30 | drmessano | impedence is expressed in resistance. Yeah, they were not referring to non-reactive resistance |
| 05:33.49 | rue_house | drmessano, trying to just describe disconnect supervision to them was painfull, to the point you start to rather the idea of swirving into the oncomming traffic lane |
| 05:34.18 | drmessano | What youre saying though, is that this nursecall is configured as an extension |
| 05:34.34 | rue_house | I'll get brands and card numbers, see if we can know anything |
| 05:34.40 | drmessano | Do they supply analog handsets for this? |
| 05:35.05 | rue_house | the nursecall is and FXO system, its meant to run handsets at the nurses station directly |
| 05:35.26 | rue_house | but its tied into FXS cards |
| 05:35.40 | rue_house | ring a group |
| 05:36.47 | drmessano | I get that |
| 05:37.07 | drmessano | Is there an expectation that you will be using THEIR handsets on this system? |
| 05:37.40 | rue_house | its been running like this for 5 years now |
| 05:38.02 | drmessano | ...... |
| 05:38.07 | drmessano | Is there an expectation that you will be using THEIR handsets on this system? |
| 05:38.13 | rue_house | it will make a call or two to the nurses, and then its locked up all its lines |
| 05:38.28 | drmessano | i dont care about the nursecall box right now |
| 05:38.38 | rue_house | it uses their phones |
| 05:38.41 | drmessano | Im asking you about the PBX and phones |
| 05:38.41 | drmessano | Ok |
| 05:38.43 | rue_house | on their system |
| 05:38.45 | rue_house | yep |
| 05:38.51 | drmessano | So they sell phones to go with it |
| 05:38.59 | rue_house | no |
| 05:39.03 | drmessano | So thats even more of a problem |
| 05:39.17 | drmessano | no? |
| 05:39.20 | rue_house | its meant to operate with any standard pots phone |
| 05:39.25 | drmessano | Ok |
| 05:39.39 | drmessano | They're all using polarity reversal? |
| 05:40.08 | rue_house | the nursecall system uses battery denial disconnect |
| 05:40.16 | drmessano | Im asking you about the PBX and phones |
| 05:40.19 | drmessano | i dont care about the nursecall box right now |
| 05:40.30 | rue_house | you mentioned thats pretytmuch the standard with the voip systems tho |
| 05:40.36 | drmessano | No its not |
| 05:40.55 | rue_house | I read something once, that said this system expects reversal |
| 05:41.04 | rue_house | I'v forgotten a lot since |
| 05:41.14 | drmessano | I said in other countries WHERE POLARITY REVERSAL IS USED, this is what asterisk users are doing about it _____ |
| 05:41.17 | rue_house | it took a year for them to give me the go-ahead to work on fixing it |
| 05:41.25 | rue_house | fiar enough |
| 05:41.49 | drmessano | I find it odd that all of their other phones are without issue |
| 05:42.04 | rue_house | its all voip |
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| 05:42.15 | rue_house | hmm |
| 05:42.19 | drmessano | What about the analog stuff? |
| 05:42.29 | drmessano | They have no other analog devices? |
| 05:42.33 | rue_house | I should break out an led and see if the telco here uses reversal or not |
| 05:42.41 | rue_house | nothing else is analog |
| 05:42.50 | drmessano | heh |
| 05:43.00 | drmessano | This is easy to fix |
| 05:43.05 | drmessano | This system is SIP? |
| 05:43.14 | rue_house | I presume so |
| 05:43.21 | drmessano | Go buy an ATA |
| 05:43.30 | rue_house | :) hee |
| 05:43.40 | drmessano | Easy fix |
| 05:44.02 | drmessano | Forget their shitty analog card |
| 05:44.12 | rue_house | well, let me get a brand and card model and see if you know of a fix with what they have |
| 05:44.23 | drmessano | Its not worth it |
| 05:44.27 | drmessano | Just get a $40 ATA |
| 05:44.52 | rue_house | if they cant udnerstand how to set the disconnect supervision, I fear to think what it would take for them to configure an ata |
| 05:45.17 | drmessano | An ATA is 100x easier than this disconnect supervision issue |
| 05:45.48 | rue_house | it a direction, I'm inclined to give it food and time |
| 05:46.25 | drmessano | Its an issue, they've been fighting for years |
| 05:46.31 | drmessano | Cisco SPA112 |
| 05:47.12 | rue_house | nods |
| 05:48.33 | rue_house | thanks, I'll haunt again later |
| 05:49.05 | rue_house | hammer away on my new cnc for a while! |
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| 15:14.33 | Dovid | has anyone seem wimpy around? |
| 15:14.55 | Samot | No but I read his diary, not that riveting. |
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| 15:52.50 | drmessano | I dont think i've seen him speak in here in a year or more |
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| 15:54.42 | Samot | I can't recall when I've seen him speak |
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| 15:55.00 | drmessano | It's been a while |
| 15:55.09 | drmessano | ~seen |
| 15:55.20 | drmessano | ~seen wIMPY |
| 15:55.23 | infobot | wimpy is currently on #asterisk-doc (1d 14h 10m 17s), last said: 'It will be newer than current.'. |
| 15:55.55 | drmessano | ah, some sneaky -something channel |
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| 16:28.56 | itush | hi |
| 16:31.34 | itush | fast question - if asterisk 13 work with google voice? |
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| 16:47.51 | Samot | Sure, if you don't mind the extra work. |
| 16:48.02 | Samot | The fact it will be out of service at some point |
| 16:48.12 | Samot | No guarantees on if the service will work |
| 16:49.31 | Samot | Honestly, with all the extra hoops you have to jump through to make shit work... |
| 16:49.34 | Samot | It's not worth "free" |
| 16:49.50 | lvlinux | itush: in my experience it works more a bit more reliably with yate. I get probably 97% or more success rate. |
| 16:50.16 | lvlinux | The main strength of google voice is the texting capabiility. |
| 16:50.29 | lvlinux | from any device, even PC. |
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| 16:52.39 | Samot | Well.. |
| 16:52.44 | Samot | Let's be honest. |
| 16:52.53 | Samot | Almost every provider has texting services. |
| 16:53.04 | Samot | Some have full integrated GUIs, etc. |
| 16:53.13 | Samot | So it's not really a selling point. |
| 16:53.34 | Samot | It's like a $1/month or so for DIDs. |
| 16:53.37 | itush | i'm ready to pay for did but want make free outgoing call |
| 16:53.48 | Samot | Less than a penny for usage.. |
| 16:53.50 | Samot | OK |
| 16:53.51 | lvlinux | Samot, true, but most don't have the GUIs, only an API, or they are unidirectional. |
| 16:53.59 | Samot | Sure. |
| 16:54.06 | Samot | So you find the one that has what you need. |
| 16:54.14 | lvlinux | So why pay a penny when it isn't necessary? |
| 16:54.24 | Samot | The time costs for Google Voice is high |
| 16:54.31 | lvlinux | Not for SMS. |
| 16:54.43 | Samot | I'm talking about getting it to work with Asterisk |
| 16:54.49 | lvlinux | Well yes. |
| 16:54.52 | Samot | Not a Google side service. |
| 16:55.05 | Samot | Of course SMS works, because Google does it from their system. |
| 16:55.20 | lvlinux | Thet's why I normally use a Yate server and have Asterisk talk SIP to it. |
| 16:55.46 | lvlinux | Setup takes 10 minutes max, and it works well. |
| 16:55.55 | lvlinux | But it is a "hoop" to get the functionality :) |
| 16:56.03 | Samot | OK |
| 16:56.08 | SpaceInvaders | Hi, I have a routine that loads a variable. It includes a while loop and I currently manually call it via an extension. What's best-practice for a routine like this loading via globals at start? |
| 16:56.35 | lvlinux | But for a business line, no way... |
| 16:58.06 | Samot | So your answer is, put in another system. |
| 16:58.24 | lvlinux | no I run yate on the same machine as Asterisk. |
| 16:58.26 | Samot | Again, the costs of making Google Voice work isn't worth it. |
| 16:58.30 | Samot | OK |
| 16:58.34 | Samot | But now you need Yate |
| 16:58.39 | Samot | And understand how it use it |
| 16:58.56 | Samot | At the end of the day.. |
| 16:59.08 | Samot | You could pay for like 3-6 months of service |
| 16:59.12 | Samot | And be done with it |
| 16:59.20 | Samot | For the time costs it will take to get Google Voice working |
| 16:59.21 | lvlinux | yes like I said, it's a "hoop" to jump through. But well worth it in the use cases where Google Voice calling is useful. |
| 16:59.35 | lvlinux | 10 minutes |
| 16:59.52 | lvlinux | I don't know about you, but I don't get paid that much per hour lol |
| 17:00.00 | Samot | I do. |
| 17:00.08 | lvlinux | Sweet |
| 17:00.08 | Samot | My time is worth something. |
| 17:00.57 | Samot | But having to put in a SBC system (one it's own or on the PBX server) for home service... |
| 17:01.04 | Samot | That's just a bit much. |
| 17:01.28 | drmessano | Google Voice isn't worth it |
| 17:01.44 | lvlinux | Obviously not to you guys :) |
| 17:02.46 | Samot | Well |
| 17:02.56 | Samot | There is the fact it's dead in Googles eyes. |
| 17:03.03 | Samot | For third party connections. |
| 17:03.14 | lvlinux | yup |
| 17:03.21 | Samot | The fact you can still connect and use it that way is just because they're so big |
| 17:03.29 | Samot | Eventually it will just stop working |
| 17:03.36 | Samot | That's how it's been all year.. |
| 17:03.45 | Samot | Node goes down or has an issue, it's not fixed. |
| 17:03.47 | Samot | It's pulled. |
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| 17:04.27 | lvlinux | yeah |
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| 17:05.50 | lvlinux | For outgoing calls it's still reliable though. Incoming is where you miss some. |
| 17:06.19 | Samot | You're not making a strong argument for it. |
| 17:06.24 | lvlinux | hehe i know... |
| 17:06.51 | lvlinux | and I was just thinking my use of the word "reliable" it quite relative lol |
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| 17:54.56 | mharper | Can I use any analog PCI card with Asterisk? |
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| 17:55.57 | fauxalliance | mharper: say again? |
| 17:56.06 | mharper | Can I use any analog PCI card with Asterisk? |
| 17:56.14 | SpaceInvaders | like a sound card? |
| 17:56.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Depends |
| 17:56.21 | fauxalliance | ATA card |
| 17:56.25 | [TK]D-Fender | "any"... NO |
| 17:56.26 | mharper | a phone card |
| 17:56.27 | fauxalliance | VIDEO card |
| 17:56.28 | [TK]D-Fender | SOME, yes |
| 17:56.31 | [TK]D-Fender | get specific |
| 17:56.35 | fauxalliance | mharper: say again? |
| 17:56.40 | mharper | a phone card |
| 17:56.47 | [TK]D-Fender | those words are not a "thing" |
| 17:56.50 | fauxalliance | most likey yes, if the OS supports it |
| 17:56.55 | [TK]D-Fender | "phone card" has not meaning |
| 17:57.16 | [TK]D-Fender | So again, EXACLTY what card are you loking at? |
| 17:57.21 | SpaceInvaders | I have phone cards. They are 3"x5" and sit in a box with my friends names on them :D |
| 17:57.38 | mharper | a PCI card with a FXO and FXS capabilities. I don't want to purchase a Digium card if I don't have to |
| 17:57.53 | [TK]D-Fender | what part of "exact" are you having trouble with? |
| 17:58.13 | fauxalliance | sangoma / rhino |
| 17:58.19 | fauxalliance | aheam, grandstream |
| 17:58.25 | [TK]D-Fender | There are all sorts of cards out there. No, they don't all work. |
| 17:59.20 | mharper | Ok, if I purchase the Digium card, are they plug and play? |
| 17:59.37 | SpaceInvaders | mharper u might wanna start here: http://www.asterisk.org/products/support/hardware |
| 17:59.54 | SpaceInvaders | oops sorry that's *all* digium |
| 17:59.57 | SpaceInvaders | please disregard |
| 18:00.13 | [TK]D-Fender | If you have DAHDI isntalled then they do what they do |
| 18:01.07 | mharper | perfect. The solidifies my assumptions |
| 18:01.16 | SpaceInvaders | mharper, here's a suggestion: https://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+hardware+recommendations |
| 18:01.31 | fauxalliance | look around, I have an isolated asterisk install with an old 1.6 install dhadi setup, IAX trunked to a much newer asterisk version |
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| 18:02.20 | mharper | Thank you very much everyone |
| 18:02.27 | [TK]D-Fender | Your assumptions have only become more assumptionier |
| 18:03.04 | fauxalliance | ass u me |
| 18:03.28 | SpaceInvaders | #saturdaynightliverocks |
| 18:03.33 | mharper | exit |
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| 18:03.50 | [TK]D-Fender | ~assume |
| 18:03.51 | infobot | About assumptions : http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=gog&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Long_Kiss_Goodnight"e=assume.txt&file=assume.wav It makes an (ass) out of (u) and (me) |
| 18:03.53 | [TK]D-Fender | ^ |
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| 18:05.02 | SpaceInvaders | I love that movie |
| 18:06.34 | [TK]D-Fender | Geena Davis in her MILFy prime, what's not to love? |
| 18:06.53 | SpaceInvaders | absolutely nothing |
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| 18:48.57 | SpaceInvaders | Hi, I have a routine that loads a variable. It includes a while loop and I currently manually call it via an extension. What's best-practice for a routine like this loading via globals at start? |
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| 19:34.17 | Samot | There are none. |
| 19:34.40 | Samot | You cannot run while loops or other things in the [global] section. |
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| 21:48.15 | SpaceInvaders | Thanks Samot. How would you handle something like that (assuming you had to have the while loop)? |
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| 21:58.06 | Samot | What are you trying to set? |
| 21:58.13 | Samot | A bunch of globals? |
| 21:58.26 | SpaceInvaders | Just one global that requires a while loop to load (because of formatting) |
| 21:58.35 | SpaceInvaders | I'd like to call it once on server start |
| 21:58.39 | Samot | Why does it need a while loop? |
| 21:59.11 | SpaceInvaders | because it loads from a stored array and has to be reformatted [for simplicity] |
| 21:59.32 | SpaceInvaders | but it ends up being a fairly simple variable once I'm done with it. |
| 21:59.41 | Samot | Then you need to use #exec and call on a script |
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| 22:00.43 | SpaceInvaders | right now I have the script executing under an extension (so I can manually reformat the script on-command for test) |
| 22:01.11 | Samot | The #exec command will let you call on the script and load the output into the config |
| 22:01.27 | SpaceInvaders | I'll research that. Thank you very much. |
| 22:03.19 | SpaceInvaders | can #exec be run in [globals] ? Is this the correct reference: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+15+Application_Exec |
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| 22:04.18 | Samot | No. |
| 22:04.24 | Samot | Not the Application |
| 22:04.26 | Samot | #exec |
| 22:04.34 | Samot | It's a core function |
| 22:04.37 | Samot | Like #include |
| 22:04.42 | Samot | Not include => |
| 22:05.01 | SpaceInvaders | ok, thanks! |
| 22:06.17 | Samot | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Using+The+include%2C+tryinclude+and+exec+Constructs |
| 22:06.47 | SpaceInvaders | thank you :) |
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