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| 00:21.09 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.21.0 (2018/05/01), Standard: 15.4.0 (2018/05/01); DAHDI: DAHDI-linux 2.11.1 (2016/03/01), DAHDI-tools 2.11.1 (2016/03/01); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 -=- Logs: bit.ly/1s4AKKu |
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| 03:25.57 | [J]oules | file: you here? |
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| 04:17.08 | Samot | I really hope you didn't ping him in the middle of Saturday night to ask about your issue you already have a ticket open about. |
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| 04:46.49 | [J]oules | Samot: your here? |
| 04:48.23 | [J]oules | wanted to tell file that rmugett was correct. the issue is NOT an asterisk bug |
| 04:48.51 | [J]oules | Samot: the issue is, FreePBX doesn't have any ipv6 with pjsip in gui |
| 04:49.10 | [J]oules | we've resolved the issue |
| 04:49.34 | [J]oules | audio is working with IPv6 endpoints using PJSIP |
| 04:49.48 | [J]oules | audio is working with IPv6 enabled endpoints using PJSIP |
| 04:50.39 | [J]oules | we have tested it on: Grandstream, Polycom and Bria (smartphone) all work |
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| 09:22.24 | file | Actually it was me who said that and closed the issue? |
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| 12:15.30 | wyoung | sup file ? |
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| 12:30.31 | wyoung | file: Are you a decorator? |
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| 16:59.43 | drmessano | file Just wanted to let you know that [J]oules issue was a FreePBX issue and not an Asterisk bug. You can close the ticket. Thx |
| 16:59.59 | file | I already closed it with an explanation saying what the problem was |
| 17:00.06 | file | like, last night |
| 17:00.15 | [J]oules | hi file |
| 17:00.46 | drmessano | https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKHWikxKFJhjArSXm/giphy.gif |
| 17:00.49 | [J]oules | i put in a comment last night just saying that in fact there is no issue with Asterisk. The issue IS with freepbx |
| 17:01.03 | file | good lord, I've heard this 4 times now |
| 17:01.11 | drmessano | file: Just wanted to tell you good luck, and we're all counting on you |
| 17:01.13 | drmessano | #airplane |
| 17:01.20 | [J]oules | not from me you didn't |
| 17:01.46 | [J]oules | we worked on it last night and the issue was found. |
| 17:01.51 | drmessano | [J]oules: I think I figured out your issue |
| 17:02.05 | drmessano | It's not an Asterisk bug, it's an issue with FreePBX |
| 17:02.06 | file | blinks |
| 17:02.11 | drmessano | Maybe you should ask file to close the ticket |
| 17:02.15 | [J]oules | no mducharme figured it out |
| 17:02.16 | drmessano | Let him know |
| 17:02.25 | drmessano | Eh, no he didn't |
| 17:02.33 | [J]oules | eh, he sure did |
| 17:02.37 | file | blinks some more |
| 17:02.46 | drmessano | He told me I was the one that let him to where to look |
| 17:02.50 | [J]oules | file: something in your eye? |
| 17:02.51 | drmessano | Last night |
| 17:02.58 | file | within Asterisk I told you the precise reason and configuration that caused the problem |
| 17:03.02 | drmessano | About the IPv4 media address |
| 17:03.04 | file | I think, 3 times |
| 17:03.05 | drmessano | JFC |
| 17:03.18 | file | twice on IRC, once in the ticket that I closed |
| 17:03.23 | [J]oules | file: are you talking about comments made in Jira? |
| 17:03.27 | file | yes. |
| 17:03.43 | [J]oules | ahhh ok |
| 17:03.54 | [J]oules | didnt look there until I made that last comment |
| 17:04.16 | file | then I'll opt not to help since any help provided seems to not... be read |
| 17:04.24 | [J]oules | when i went to Jira noticed it was closed, and just put in the comment. |
| 17:04.28 | drmessano | 03:52:36 <mducharme-laptop> and I said you had the problem figured out yesterday |
| 17:04.30 | [J]oules | sorry |
| 17:04.33 | drmessano | ^ Thats from a PM |
| 17:04.43 | drmessano | So lets get this correct, shall we |
| 17:04.44 | [J]oules | oh ok |
| 17:04.47 | [J]oules | didnt see that |
| 17:04.54 | drmessano | IT WAS IN A PM |
| 17:04.57 | [J]oules | right |
| 17:04.58 | drmessano | OF COURSE YOU DIDNT |
| 17:05.00 | [J]oules | understood |
| 17:05.05 | drmessano | Do you really? |
| 17:05.15 | [J]oules | so why then would you expect me to think otherwise? |
| 17:05.50 | [J]oules | anyway X-Rob has stated clearly its not supported in freepbx and thats it |
| 17:06.03 | drmessano | I wouldnt expect that regardless. He said it in channel, and said what I just pasted, and you continued to insult me. file even told you multiple times where to find the problem and you didnt even read what he said |
| 17:06.06 | drmessano | Stop being so toxic |
| 17:07.17 | [J]oules | file i am sorry we wasted your time |
| 17:07.36 | drmessano | 4 days to fix your IPv6 issue, and FFS, it's IPv6.. not like something important |
| 17:07.40 | drmessano | so, lol |
| 17:08.48 | file | there's a word for this but I don't recall what it is, it's where an individual reads/hears something but doesn't actually read/hear it... |
| 17:09.05 | file | it happens on the community forum too |
| 17:09.55 | drmessano | Well, I think it's also due to entitlement. Some people believe every issue is as important to the world as it is to them, so everyone has to drop what they are doing to resolve it. |
| 17:10.34 | drmessano | They'll spend 4 days on IRC arguing how it's important because IPv6 is the future, and how is it no one cares.. |
| 17:10.47 | drmessano | Outrage and all |
| 17:11.28 | drmessano | Same people that flipped out because their 386 motherboard had that open 387 slot, and they didn't get a whole computer when they bought it |
| 17:12.15 | drmessano | That reminds me, I need to send my weekly email to Nintendo asking them where the CD drive is for the Super NES. It's been 25 years. |
| 17:16.58 | Samot | 1:08:46 PM <@file> there's a word for this but I don't recall what it is, it's where an individual reads/hears something but doesn't actually read/hear it... <-- Comprehend? |
| 17:17.35 | [J]oules | if you're referring to me that is untrue |
| 17:18.28 | [J]oules | file: i have a client with an office manger whom if you ask are the phones working, she will reply 'i had dinner with so and so last week' |
| 17:18.48 | drmessano | [J]oules: Well, you are the resident help vampire |
| 17:18.49 | [J]oules | i thing that is what you mean |
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| 17:19.28 | file | selective listening I think |
| 17:19.35 | drmessano | You've got 3 IRC channels helping you run your ITSP |
| 17:19.51 | drmessano | #asterisk, #freepbx, and ##mikrotik, 24/7 |
| 17:20.03 | [J]oules | whatever you say drmessano |
| 17:20.05 | Samot | I was close. |
| 17:20.23 | Samot | Selective Listening trims out the information you cromprehend. |
| 17:20.27 | Samot | Selective Listening trims out the information you comprehend. |
| 17:22.33 | Samot | [J]oules: Less than 12 hours ago you claimed you don't ask "almost" every day for help. And about an hour ago you posted something saying your PBX that was running about 8 hours ago is now down. |
| 17:22.54 | Samot | Just stopped working. |
| 17:24.38 | drmessano | Ok, I gotta reset the timer |
| 17:25.12 | drmessano | *** It's now been ERROR:0x000A4 days since [J]oules asked IRC for help with an outage *** |
| 17:31.29 | [J]oules | saying the pbx is down is NOT a question is it |
| 17:32.03 | Samot | No but posting a packet from/to it and then asking what was in the packet... |
| 17:32.14 | Samot | That was a question related to the fact is was down. |
| 17:32.17 | [J]oules | that wasn't in this channel either |
| 17:32.22 | Samot | Doesn't matter. |
| 17:32.28 | Samot | My point still stands. |
| 17:32.28 | [J]oules | i c |
| 17:32.38 | [J]oules | in your mind yes it does/ |
| 17:32.58 | Samot | Just because you didn't ask stuff in #asterisk yesterday doesn't mean you didn't ask stuff at all yesterday |
| 17:33.08 | Samot | Just because it was in another channel doesn't mean it doesn't count. |
| 17:34.28 | drmessano | [J]oules: Your statement was made regarding IRC in general |
| 17:34.38 | drmessano | Maybe you were too drunk to remember |
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| 17:35.33 | Samot | I really hope mducharme-laptop can figure this out for you considering you "fired" me last night for "failure" and pretty much told other people that help you to piss off. |
| 17:37.16 | drmessano | He called me a dumbass, several times |
| 17:37.40 | Samot | And well, I mean technically... |
| 17:37.51 | Samot | None of his setup is officially supported by the vendors. |
| 17:38.27 | drmessano | After I stopped helping him, he's resorted to insulting my intelligence at every opportunity.. I find it amusing |
| 17:38.39 | drmessano | He also thinks I climb towers for a living |
| 17:38.44 | Samot | So FreePBX with IPv6 = Not supported |
| 17:38.57 | Samot | A2Billing on Asterisk 12 or higher = Not Supported |
| 17:39.15 | Samot | All the issues over the last month or so, all IPv6 or A2Biling related. |
| 17:41.18 | drmessano | IPTV over a VPN to the UK = A direct violation of the copyright act of 1897 |
| 17:42.26 | Samot | Well the sad part about all this is.... |
| 17:43.27 | Samot | mducharme-laptop will now have to clarify his "Asterisk/FreePBX/VoIP" help requests are actually for his ISP company and not [J]oules. |
| 17:46.56 | drmessano | What I find to be truly sad in all this.. |
| 17:47.32 | drmessano | Is that he has to deny who he really is because he makes such a spectacle of himself on IRC that he's worried it blow back and hurt his business |
| 17:47.52 | drmessano | So not only is he incompetent and has to hide it, but he also has to hide from his trolling |
| 17:48.13 | drmessano | Honestly, that's who *I* want to do business with |
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| 17:53.06 | drmessano | lol |
| 17:53.45 | Samot | Two more channels to go |
| 17:54.52 | Samot | Like I told him last night, his ITSP is exactly the kind of ITSP I recommend clients to dump when they bring me on to fix their voice stuff. |
| 17:55.07 | drmessano | He doesn't need this channel right now, it's not an Asterisk issue |
| 17:56.31 | Samot | You know I think I even told him that about 18 months ago or so I had a small ITSP bring me on and they basically had a setup just like this. |
| 17:57.19 | Samot | And my only options for them was "Completely overhaul the entire network to something proper or find someone else to do what I was going to be doing" |
| 17:57.50 | Samot | While they didn't pick the latter. They weren't doing the first and tried to keep me with more money and I just said "No." |
| 17:58.06 | Samot | So I picked it for them. |
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| 21:06.57 | wyoung | drmessano: If using IPTV open a VPN to the UK violated copyright act of 1897 wouldn't it be out of copyright by now? |
| 21:08.02 | drmessano | Eh laws donât go out of copyright. |
| 21:08.09 | wyoung | Samot: So the solution is to not use FreePBX? |
| 21:08.32 | Samot | Solution to what? |
| 21:08.48 | wyoung | To the rant you had ~4 hours ago. |
| 21:09.14 | Samot | I'm not sure what you are talking about. |
| 21:09.23 | drmessano | Heâs running an ITSP with freepbx |
| 21:09.29 | drmessano | Thereâs a context here |
| 21:09.32 | Samot | Ah. |
| 21:09.50 | wyoung | drmessano: oh, that sounds crazy. |
| 21:10.06 | Samot | I do it in some cases. |
| 21:10.06 | wyoung | drmessano: Unless they are a freebpx developer. |
| 21:10.15 | Samot | But my versions of FreePBX are highly customized. |
| 21:10.28 | wyoung | Right. |
| 21:10.37 | Samot | My decision to use FreePBX was "This can do the simple crap" |
| 21:10.37 | drmessano | Not sure what that has to do with anything |
| 21:10.48 | drmessano | Freepbx |
| 21:11.02 | drmessano | Freepbx is not an ITSP IN A BOX |
| 21:11.09 | Samot | It doesn't matter if it is FreePBX or just Astreisk. |
| 21:11.20 | drmessano | Itâs never even marketed as such |
| 21:11.29 | Samot | Using Asterisk *alone* or as the *sole* solution for an ITSP is bad. |
| 21:11.44 | wyoung | Yup |
| 21:13.14 | Samot | FreePBX(Asterisk) + A2Billing + Vitelity (VoIP Innovations, etc) does not automatically make you an ITSP. |
| 21:14.44 | Samot | In [J]oules case, he has to deploy a FreePBX box *per* customer because he doesn't know how to deploy Asterisk/FreePBX in a "multi-tenant" scenario. |
| 21:16.00 | drmessano | Cough Ansible cough |
| 21:16.06 | drmessano | Thatâs 2025 for him though |
| 21:16.11 | Samot | Or that. |
| 21:17.33 | Samot | Basically in that type of setup, the ITSP isn't "designing" products or services to meet the market demands |
| 21:18.08 | Samot | They are randomly making services based on what these preconfigured/built platforms can do. |
| 21:22.19 | Samot | I use FreePBX to generate Ring Groups, IVRs, Time Conditions, etc because that's repetitive and mundane stuff that I can do but it's a PIMA. [J]oules uses FreePBX for those things because without it, he wouldn't know how to configure/create them. |
| 21:24.31 | Samot | wyoung: So when say "Basement ITSP" or "ITSP In A Box" we are referring to ITSPs that do not have the experience or skillset to be an ITSP without some pre-configured kit that it point and click. |
| 21:25.01 | Samot | "Don't know anything about Telephony/SIP? Not a problem! Get the ITSP In a Box today!" |
| 21:26.09 | Samot | If it works, then it works and don't touch it. When it break, we're screwed and up the creek without a paddle. Jump on IRC! |
| 21:30.36 | Samot | And to make it worse, unlike other ITSPs or places where they start out knowing nothing but actually then progress and improve (learn things), [J]oules does not. In the three or so years I have interacted with him, he still needs to be given directions like it's the first time he has every done it. |
| 21:32.28 | Samot | I mean in comparison. [J]oules and I started using Mikrotik routers about the same time. It's been about two years or so. During that time, he is still struggling with the same things he did when he started. |
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| 22:29.49 | wyoung | I see |
| 22:30.52 | wyoung | Sounds like he needs to employ someone competent like yourself Samot :) |
| 22:31.01 | Samot | He should. |
| 22:31.09 | Samot | But he claims it's impossible to find. |
| 22:32.05 | wyoung | Probably impossible to find one that is willing to do it for the amount he is willing to spend on such a person. |
| 22:32.09 | [TK]D-Fender | For him it is |
| 22:32.17 | [TK]D-Fender | he couldn't find sand on a beach |
| 22:32.20 | Samot | From what I hear, money is not the issue. |
| 22:32.24 | wyoung | oh? |
| 22:32.34 | Samot | You've seen him in the channel. |
| 22:32.40 | Samot | That's pretty much how he his. |
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| 22:33.09 | wyoung | o_O |
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| 22:33.19 | [TK]D-Fender | Nobody with real money sits around and personally manages Asterisk boxes for customers too dumb to know they are being mismanaged |
| 22:33.33 | Samot | I mean, if you share something with him. Just to be a "good guy" he expects you to support it forever. |
| 22:33.58 | Samot | [TK]D-Fender: They do if it's a cash cow for them. |
| 22:34.40 | [TK]D-Fender | No, if he had the brains and money he'd pay some other person to do the dirty work while he rustles up more chumps. |
| 22:35.00 | Samot | Well from what I understand, he pays. |
| 22:35.15 | Samot | Paying and wage is not the issue with those that work with him. |
| 22:35.15 | [TK]D-Fender | If you can scam them in his time should be more valuable and he should be able to hire some kid barely out of college if even to do the dirty-work |
| 22:35.21 | Samot | It's working with him that's the issue. |
| 22:35.30 | Samot | Well he has someone |
| 22:35.34 | Samot | Exactly doing that |
| 22:35.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Samot> It's working with him that's the issue. <- I turned down his offers to be paid to deal with his shit |
| 22:35.54 | Samot | Hi, mducharme-laptop :) |
| 22:36.46 | wyoung | [TK]D-Fender: I love being able to pick and choose what jobs I do too :) |
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| 22:38.17 | Samot | Hey back in my hosting days, my counterparts in the DC I was in were raking in money hand over first. |
| 22:38.20 | Samot | Hey back in my hosting days, my counterparts in the DC I was in were raking in money hand over fist |
| 22:38.41 | Samot | But then again, they were hosting "mass marketers" |
| 22:39.12 | Samot | And had serious churn rates because it was about how much they could get out of the customer in a short period. |
| 22:39.59 | Samot | Just like I could make mad money doing "outbound call centers" |
| 22:40.03 | Samot | But yeah, no. |
| 22:46.58 | wyoung | :) |
| 22:46.58 | wyoung | Do what you love I say. |
