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| 01:20.26 | DannyA | hey all...so i was in here the last couple days looking for help connecting a polycom soundstation ip 500 to twilio. the issue i had was that making calls worked fine, but receiving calls stopped working after a few minutes, likely due to my tp link router. if i open port 5060 on my router, incoming calls always work, but i also get lots of spam calls. |
| 01:21.01 | DannyA | so, i was wondering, if i set up an Asterisk server, and connected the polycom to that, and the asterisk server to twilio, isn't there a way in the asterisk config to restrict the incoming ip's for incoming calls? |
| 01:21.25 | DannyA | this way, i can open 5060 on my router, but i won't have to worry about the spam calls, and only calls from twilio will be allowed through. do i have that right? |
| 01:37.09 | drmessano | DannyA: You don't open 5060 for a SIP Client |
| 01:37.18 | drmessano | If your router is that shitty, get a Mikrotik |
| 01:37.48 | DannyA | its not that its shitty, im guessing it just wasn't designed for sip applications, and it doesn't have options for ip filtering. |
| 01:38.02 | DannyA | im trying to figure out if theres a way to do this without spending any more money |
| 01:38.11 | drmessano | DannyA: If your router doesn't properly handle SIP traffic, it's shitty |
| 01:38.25 | drmessano | Mikrotik HAP Lite AC is $50 |
| 01:38.45 | drmessano | RouterOS doesn't kill SIP like shitty consumer stuff does |
| 01:38.50 | drmessano | It's worth it |
| 01:39.04 | DannyA | fine, granted. but still, for the sake of intellectual curiosity, is it possible to accomplish with asterisk in the middle between the phone and twilio? |
| 01:39.23 | drmessano | Installing Asterisk and opening 5060 to circumvent a shitty router is a bad idea |
| 01:39.33 | drmessano | You don't want Asterisk getting spammed |
| 01:39.45 | drmessano | It's not the answer |
| 01:41.04 | DannyA | even with the IP filtering in place? |
| 01:41.23 | DannyA | so what is it about these polycom phones that they can't maintain the connection to twilio? |
| 01:41.26 | drmessano | So you open 5060 and now SIP scanners are going to nuke your consumer router 24/7 |
| 01:41.30 | DannyA | im still not getting where the breakdown is happening |
| 01:41.33 | drmessano | It's not the phones |
| 01:41.39 | drmessano | Its YOUR ROUTER |
| 01:41.53 | drmessano | Shitty routers can't handle SIP traffic |
| 01:41.57 | DannyA | (sigh) ok ok |
| 01:42.07 | drmessano | Mikrotik HAP Lite AC is $50 |
| 01:42.13 | drmessano | Get a decent router |
| 01:42.54 | DannyA | https://mikrotik.com/product/RB952Ui-5ac2nD |
| 01:42.59 | DannyA | why does it look like it doesnt have antennas? |
| 01:43.11 | drmessano | They're internal |
| 01:43.29 | drmessano | Antennas stuck on the back are marketing |
| 01:43.43 | DannyA | lol |
| 01:43.50 | DannyA | i feel like can learn a lot from you sir |
| 01:43.57 | DannyA | are u an electronics person also? |
| 01:43.59 | drmessano | Possibly |
| 01:44.14 | drmessano | I'm a Broadcast Engineer with lots of experience doing lots of other things |
| 01:44.31 | drmessano | Been doing Asterisk for 12 years now |
| 01:44.35 | DannyA | wow |
| 01:44.36 | DannyA | that's awesome |
| 01:44.42 | DannyA | i love telephony and want to get into it more |
| 01:44.47 | DannyA | my background is software engineering |
| 01:44.59 | DannyA | but i love hardware, been trying to learn electronics on my own for about two years now |
| 01:45.42 | drmessano | Then I VERY strong suggest that RouterOS box.. Many routers can't handle SIP properly. It's an epidemic. Once or (or someone else) recommends a Mikrotik and someone actually buys it. they never have SIP problems again |
| 01:45.50 | drmessano | At least network related onces |
| 01:45.52 | drmessano | ones |
| 01:46.59 | DannyA | how big of a learning curve will it be for me to figure out how to set this up? |
| 01:47.13 | drmessano | I do some home networking and telephony installs as side work. Basically replace peoples home networks, hook them up with VoIP. Once I talk them into a Mikrotik, they stop calling me for SIP problems |
| 01:48.08 | drmessano | Well, join ##mikrotik.. expect some moderate abuse, but it's all well-intended. There's lots of documentation. This isn't a Walmart GUI OS (though it does have an app and a WebUI). We'll teach you |
| 01:49.20 | drmessano | You'll accidentally learn a lot about networking by having a Mikrotik box |
| 01:49.37 | DannyA | im on a mac, that won't be an issue for setup? |
| 01:49.46 | DannyA | web ui is full-featured? |
| 01:50.15 | drmessano | You can run Winbox in Wine, use the CLI via SSH, or use the WebUI... WebUI is acceptable, but not as good as Winbox |
| 01:50.35 | drmessano | I run Winbox n Ubuntu under Wine. Many of us do |
| 01:52.50 | DannyA | ok, ill give this a shot |
| 01:53.43 | DannyA | questions about asterisk: |
| 01:53.45 | drmessano | It's literally no fun fighting a router that can't handle SIP.. especially if you want to play with telephony. |
| 01:53.56 | drmessano | I think you'll be quite pleased |
| 01:54.06 | DannyA | looking forward to it! |
| 01:54.20 | DannyA | 1. can you set up a home intercom? if so, can u use different makes/models of phones throughout the house? |
| 01:54.56 | DannyA | 2. is there some type of scripting setup, where you can define what happens when you dial specific numbers? like if i dial 456 on my phone, can i have it curl a local url where im running a script which will turn on lights or something? |
| 01:54.58 | drmessano | Sure.. you can do paging and all modern phones will auto-answer it |
| 01:55.16 | drmessano | 2. Yes.. Making system calls is easy |
| 01:55.28 | drmessano | There's even a CURL dialplan app |
| 01:55.50 | DannyA | wow....so this is basic asterisk stuff, and asterisk is really awesome and hugely powerful? (slightly rhetorical) |
| 01:56.08 | drmessano | Yeah, you indeed asked 2 basic questions. |
| 01:56.18 | DannyA | ive never used it before, and i live in an apt so haven't had much need, but planning to move to a house soon, so im dreaming about all the really cool stuff i'll be able to do |
| 01:57.32 | drmessano | It's amazing software |
| 01:59.23 | drmessano | I've used Asterisk to make my coffee |
| 02:01.35 | drmessano | I also made an Asterisk Magic 8-ball that would post replies to Twitter |
| 02:01.49 | drmessano | That was super fun |
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| 02:52.08 | Samot | I thought I explained this pretty well the other day. |
| 02:52.22 | Samot | The TPLink is losing it's mind on NAT for incoming requests. |
| 02:52.48 | Samot | Phones have a 3600 second default registration generally |
| 02:53.00 | Samot | Which means it will only send a REGISTER every hour. |
| 02:53.23 | Samot | If the phone is not setup with proper NAT/Keep-Alive settings, it doesn't do a thing to keep that NAT hole open. |
| 02:53.36 | Samot | So it depends on the router, which is shitting itself. |
| 02:54.05 | drmessano | Have you seen this Amazon Connect thing? |
| 02:55.07 | Samot | Yes. |
| 02:55.14 | Samot | Just now when you said "Amazon Connect" |
| 02:55.23 | Samot | Looks interesting. |
| 02:55.28 | drmessano | Yeah |
| 02:55.30 | drmessano | Totally |
| 02:56.05 | Samot | Though $0.018 is crazy unless it's all TF. |
| 02:56.25 | Samot | Oh, it is TF. |
| 02:56.43 | drmessano | Wait, what? |
| 02:56.58 | Samot | Yeah |
| 02:56.58 | drmessano | You BYOB your phone service.. it has a FXO on it |
| 02:57.10 | Samot | I was just looking at the pricing. |
| 02:57.55 | drmessano | Yeah I kinda wanna buy one and see if I can sell them |
| 02:58.51 | Samot | You're talking about the chatboxes? |
| 02:59.04 | Samot | Or just a cloud account? |
| 02:59.16 | drmessano | https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B076ZRFP6Y/ref=ods_dabb_B076ZRFP6Y_productInfo |
| 02:59.37 | Samot | Oh dude. |
| 02:59.48 | Samot | "Amazon Connect" is their cloud call center solution |
| 02:59.54 | Samot | You're talking about an Echo Connect. |
| 03:00.01 | Samot | We're looking at two different things :) |
| 03:00.29 | drmessano | It does 802.11AC |
| 03:00.31 | drmessano | Whoa |
| 03:00.48 | Samot | https://aws.amazon.com/connect/ |
| 03:01.20 | drmessano | Oh, interesting |
| 03:01.31 | Samot | Though the Echo Connect looks interesting too. |
| 03:01.38 | Samot | Yeah, that's where I got $0.018/minute |
| 03:01.50 | Samot | But that's just the PER Minute charge for that service. |
| 03:02.05 | Samot | There's the Daily charge and fees. |
| 03:02.16 | Samot | So a 7 minute call on AWS Connect is like $0.27 |
| 03:02.56 | Samot | Just like everything else AWS, insanely high costs. |
| 03:03.06 | drmessano | Yeah, thats nuts |
| 03:03.25 | Samot | $0.06/day |
| 03:03.34 | drmessano | Well anyway |
| 03:03.47 | drmessano | $34.99 isn't bad for this box |
| 03:05.16 | Samot | No, the Echo Connect is a good price. |
| 03:06.08 | drmessano | Wish it had a SIP client |
| 03:32.34 | DannyA | Samot: you did explain it, i was just grasping at straws one final time.... |
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| 04:06.54 | Penguin | WARNING[9910][C-000005f7]: chan_sip.c:10392 process_sdp: Rejecting secure video stream without encryption details: video 47230 RTP/SAVP 116 |
| 04:07.08 | Penguin | What do I need to change to make sip to sip video calls work? |
| 04:07.27 | Penguin | The clients I am using are zoiper on android phones. |
| 04:07.51 | Penguin | The phones are using tls/srtp. |
| 04:08.00 | Penguin | Voice calls are fine, but video calls don't work. |
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| 05:38.17 | drmessano | Penguin: This is a zoiper issue.. |
| 05:39.26 | Penguin | That's poopy. Are there any adjustments or settings in asterisk to compensate for zoiper's shortcomings? |
| 05:40.24 | drmessano | No, Zoiper video + SRTP is broken, apparently |
| 05:41.30 | wyoung | Penguin: poopy? |
| 05:41.37 | drmessano | I would pay the $10 for Bria |
| 05:41.42 | drmessano | Works much better |
| 05:42.17 | Penguin | Oh. I guess I will consider that. |
| 05:43.14 | Penguin | wyoung: That's an industry term. |
| 05:43.33 | Penguin | It means unfavorable or undesirable. |
| 05:44.20 | wyoung | hehe ok |
| 05:45.42 | Penguin | wyoung: From what part of the world do you originate? |
| 05:46.56 | wyoung | AU |
| 05:49.25 | Penguin | So poopy would be like crappy or shitty. |
| 05:50.12 | wyoung | ok |
| 05:50.21 | Penguin | All three are the same, but with varying levels of crudeness. |
| 05:50.42 | Penguin | I was being the most gentle by using poop instead of shit. |
| 05:50.59 | wyoung | ok |
| 05:51.01 | Penguin | (it's not actually an industry term) |
| 05:51.44 | Penguin | I was hoping there was an easy fix for the video problem. It seems like there is, but the solution is to buy a different client. |
| 05:52.12 | drmessano | Zoiper is broken in a lot of ways |
| 05:52.47 | drmessano | Not that it matters to you, but on iOS it hasn't background-ed properly for over a year |
| 05:53.06 | Penguin | They just recently pushed out a new version and my lite edition was upgraded. |
| 05:53.09 | drmessano | It has issues across the board |
| 05:53.21 | Penguin | Now it looks like the beta version that was out for the last year or so. |
| 05:53.43 | Penguin | I was fine with that lite edition, but apparently the devs weren't. |
| 05:54.06 | drmessano | Well, updates are great. But some of these bugs go back ages |
| 06:03.03 | Penguin | The misspelled "canceled" on the Bria start-up screen. |
| 06:04.00 | Penguin | I mean they misspelled it. |
| 06:07.15 | Penguin | And in the play store description, too. |
| 06:07.44 | Penguin | It seems like it's $10 per year rather than a flat $10 for a license. |
| 06:18.45 | drmessano | Thats correct |
| 06:19.02 | drmessano | Rather than $30 or so for all the features |
| 06:19.09 | drmessano | It's a flat $10 a year now |
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| 06:29.38 | wyoung | drmessano: That's amazing! but wait! there's more? |
| 06:29.53 | drmessano | ? |
| 06:29.57 | wyoung | Do I get some steak knives with that too? |
| 06:30.16 | drmessano | Are you ok? |
| 06:30.39 | wyoung | drmessano: never better! |
| 06:30.45 | drmessano | ok |
| 06:31.19 | wyoung | It sounded like you were a salesperson on an infomerical or something |
| 06:31.36 | Penguin | 503 Certificate validation failure |
| 06:31.51 | drmessano | The app was formerly $30 after buying it and IAPs |
| 06:31.57 | drmessano | It's now $10 a year |
| 06:32.03 | drmessano | I don't see how that was informercially |
| 06:32.15 | Penguin | But I don't see anything popping up on the asterisk console, so now I get to figure out what went wrong. |
| 06:32.39 | drmessano | Penguin: or just hit the slider for certificate validation |
| 06:38.02 | Penguin | Is that to disable the validation? |
| 06:39.43 | drmessano | yes |
| 06:40.41 | drmessano | Verify TLS Cert |
| 06:41.15 | Penguin | I must have something entered incorrectly because I don't even see the client hitting asterisk regardless of that setting. |
| 06:41.27 | Penguin | Maybe I have to specify the port number. |
| 06:41.43 | drmessano | Do you have SRV records? |
| 06:42.36 | drmessano | If not, then yes I believe you need server and port |
| 06:44.47 | Penguin | That's weird. It was the setting you said... |
| 06:45.05 | Penguin | How was it failing to verify the cert if it never contacted asterisk to try? |
| 06:45.33 | drmessano | What are you basing the "never contacted asterisk" on? |
| 06:45.35 | Penguin | And I just realized I probably misspoke when I said regardless of the setting. I probably meant irrespective? |
| 06:46.01 | Penguin | I was looking at the console, turned on sip debug, never even saw a packet from the phone. |
| 06:46.10 | drmessano | Well of course not |
| 06:46.18 | drmessano | TLS handshake occurs before the SIP session |
| 06:46.32 | Penguin | Ah. I didn't realize that. |
| 06:47.40 | Penguin | I don't need to specify the port number. Once I switched off the Verify TLS Cert setting, it registered immediately upon activating the account. |
| 06:47.55 | drmessano | Okay |
| 06:48.09 | drmessano | Bria may assume common ports, IDK |
| 06:48.21 | drmessano | Ive always had SRV records, so no guessing needed |
| 06:49.03 | Penguin | I would have to go look at the DNS to know for sure what is configured. I know there are SRV records, but I don't know if there is one for the host address I entered into Bria. |
| 06:49.52 | drmessano | I set up SIP and SIP TLS for IPv4 and IPv6 a while ago. Saves guessing |
| 07:04.12 | Penguin | I only have _sip._udp.domain.net SRV records. Do clients usually obey that even in TLS mode? |
| 07:04.54 | Penguin | I don't have _sip._tcp.blah records. |
| 07:07.14 | drmessano | You need tcp and tls records |
| 07:07.59 | Penguin | I figured the sip udp wasn't adequate. |
| 07:08.28 | Penguin | Nevertheless, Bria was able to guess the port without having to specify it. Most clients I have tested do, but I have run across a couple that didn't. |
| 07:08.40 | drmessano | Well, are you on 5061? |
| 07:09.05 | drmessano | 02:48:09 <drmessano> Bria may assume common ports, IDK |
| 07:09.10 | drmessano | So thats probably it |
| 07:11.09 | Penguin | Does tls imply tcp? |
| 07:11.44 | Penguin | Asterisk listens on 5060 udp and 5061 tcp, but I don't know if the phone uses 5061 when configured for tls. |
| 07:12.07 | Penguin | sip show peer my-phone does not give me any indication. |
| 07:12.35 | Penguin | It just shows that the primary transport is TLS and the reg contact shows transport=tls. |
| 07:13.43 | Penguin | lsof reveals that it is using tcp/tls on 5061. |
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| 07:51.59 | drmessano | Well, you need TCP for TLS |
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| 09:47.01 | wyoung | drmessano: Unless you want to use UDP |
| 09:47.24 | drmessano | Huh? |
| 09:47.42 | wyoung | TLS over UDP |
| 09:48.12 | drmessano | Where would I find that? |
| 09:48.26 | wyoung | RFC123something |
| 09:48.55 | drmessano | Where is TLS over UDP implemented with SIP? |
| 09:49.29 | wyoung | No idea, it could be though |
| 09:49.44 | wyoung | All I read is you need TCP for TLS |
| 09:50.52 | drmessano | So you pinged me, waking me up, to contradict my statement, which in the context of Asterisk, is completely correct.. since TLS is implemented over TCP |
| 09:52.50 | drmessano | wyoung: Is that correct? |
| 09:53.57 | drmessano | wyoung: ping |
| 10:22.58 | avb | tls over udp... |
| 10:23.04 | avb | this is something new |
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| 11:35.12 | Samot | TLS over UDP is DTLS. It's not new. |
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| 16:41.10 | drmessano | Thats true |
| 16:41.55 | drmessano | But "DTLS" != "TLS" and the question was "TLS" |
| 16:51.53 | Samot | wyoung asked no questions. |
| 16:52.01 | Samot | Made a statement. |
| 16:52.23 | Samot | Plus my reply was to avb's comments. |
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| 17:10.57 | drmessano | He was commenting on my statement |
| 17:11.19 | drmessano | Scroll up |
| 17:12.43 | drmessano | 03:11:09 <Penguin> Does tls imply tcp? 03:52:00 <drmessano> Well, you need TCP for TLS 05:47:01 <wyoung> drmessano: Unless you want to use UDP |
| 17:13.10 | drmessano | So we were talking about "TLS", which was what he was setting up, not DTLS |
| 17:16.16 | Samot | Oh I know wyoungs stuff was to you |
| 17:17.24 | Samot | And also completely irrelevant in the context of Asterisk, as you pointed out. |
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| 20:39.46 | wyoung | drmessano: Sorry for waking you up. You should try running IRC in a screen or something. irssi + screen <3. |
| 20:40.29 | drmessano | No, thanks. My current configuration is just fine. |
| 20:42.15 | drmessano | Most people donât ping me hours after a conversation has ended to make incorrect corrections to statements Iâve made. So no worries <3 |
| 20:43.20 | wyoung | <3 |
| 20:44.05 | wyoung | drmessano: I just woke up (not by IRC though, that guy is still quietly running in a screen). I am obviously in a different time zone than you. |
| 20:44.24 | wyoung | I will try to remember that before I ping you again. |
| 20:47.54 | Samot | What was the point of your comment though? |
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| 20:48.09 | Samot | I'm still a little curious. Because it was not applicable to SIP. |
| 20:48.30 | wyoung | Samot: No, I didn't read the line above. That is why my statement was out of context slightly. |
| 20:48.50 | wyoung | I have read a bit higher but there is no delete button on IRC. |
| 21:00.09 | drmessano | It wasnât out of context slightly |
| 21:00.18 | drmessano | It was completely out of context |
| 21:00.39 | drmessano | Thatâs precisely what âout of contextâ means |
| 21:00.49 | drmessano | Itâs didnât AT ALL apply to the CONTEXT |
| 21:01.38 | drmessano | People who want to correct on IRC and make bullshit excuses when their statement doesnât apply. JFC |
| 21:05.44 | drmessano | Since weâre making IRC client suggestions, maybe use one that displays more than 1 line of text at a time ð¤·ð»ââï¸ <3 |
| 21:06.15 | drmessano | But thatâs out of context |
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