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| 02:18.27 | ih8wndz | Slade: I havn't made the call yet. I have unlimited channels on the 33 DIDs, which is charged by the min. With Starcompartners I'd be paying $660, whereas now I'm paying on average $160/mo |
| 02:19.26 | Slade | ih8wndz, thats from flowroute? |
| 02:19.32 | ih8wndz | Yeah |
| 02:20.29 | Slade | yea this place is only 40 channels for 160 |
| 02:21.18 | Slade | questblue seems slightly better pricing than them.. but i dunno. http://www.asterisksiptrunking.us/rates.html |
| 02:25.29 | Slade | http://www.asterisksiptrunking.us/rates.html |
| 02:26.55 | drmessano | Id stick with Flowroute |
| 02:27.05 | drmessano | Pricing is subjective. Service is important too |
| 02:29.14 | Slade | indeed. just peeking around.. the starcompartners pricing model is super interesting/compelling to me |
| 02:29.16 | Slade | tho |
| 02:32.29 | Samot | I'm not sure how. |
| 02:32.46 | Samot | They are more costly than other ITSPS offering unlimited channels and per minute rates. |
| 02:33.17 | drmessano | Indeed |
| 02:34.19 | Samot | Also their wholesale model is pure insanity. |
| 02:35.02 | Samot | 3500 Calls Per Second. |
| 02:35.04 | Samot | Yeah, OK. |
| 02:35.14 | Slade | yea i dont care for their wholesale model.. i just have a few did's and 95% inbound tho so their $20 for unlimited channel did seems compelling |
| 02:35.28 | drmessano | You also need about 100 mins incoming per day before you break even on metered rates for other providers |
| 02:36.05 | Slade | really on a few i could get away with their $4 offering :p |
| 02:37.12 | drmessano | So why not go with metered |
| 02:37.26 | Samot | Well even with the $4 offering.... |
| 02:37.57 | Samot | You need to do about 400 minutes. |
| 02:38.06 | Samot | Per month just on that DID. |
| 02:39.39 | drmessano | I love that they have NO TOS |
| 02:39.56 | Samot | Well that's always fun. |
| 02:39.59 | Slade | average about 2 hours per day on the line according to cell bill |
| 02:40.10 | Samot | For the DID? |
| 02:40.35 | Samot | You should also make sure you understand what they have for a "Fair Use" policy. |
| 02:40.46 | Samot | Because Unlimited is never "Unlimited" |
| 02:43.04 | Slade | yea for the single did. |
| 02:43.09 | Samot | Slade: Be aware that Unlimited packages generally benefit the provider not the user. |
| 02:43.19 | Slade | indeed |
| 02:43.50 | Samot | Because I have to do "Unlimited Channels" for the hotels I service because that's how hotels are used to their phone service being done... |
| 02:44.23 | Samot | For 98% of them, they barely touch the 2,000 outbound/2,000 inbound Fair Use I have. |
| 02:45.00 | ih8wndz | My internet provider sucks big time right now. |
| 02:45.31 | Slade | i need to learn how sms is handled before i make any changes anyhow.. i do a decent amount of sms on a number shared across a few cellphones |
| 02:45.47 | Samot | HTTP RESTful. |
| 02:45.48 | Slade | (decent amount being about 5 per day i gues) |
| 02:46.29 | Slade | just gotta make sure what i setup the messages can appear on all the phones, and be responded to on all of them |
| 02:46.32 | Samot | Most carriers provide an SMS API to use. |
| 02:46.36 | Samot | Nope. |
| 02:46.43 | Samot | HTTP RESTful. |
| 02:47.00 | Samot | They *might* forward to a mobile number but not send from it. |
| 02:47.14 | ih8wndz | Flowroute is pretty "straight forward" |
| 02:47.21 | drmessano | They are |
| 02:47.30 | Samot | Right but again, it's a RESTful API |
| 02:47.33 | drmessano | Reputable |
| 02:47.39 | Slade | well current running a softphone on the mobiles. so thats what i'd want the sms to go to |
| 02:47.59 | drmessano | So you get to code it |
| 02:47.59 | Samot | Slade: Then the phone will need to support SIP SIMPLE |
| 02:47.59 | Slade | sounds not feasible from what you're saying tho :/ |
| 02:48.03 | ih8wndz | Their up front attitude, wysiwyg, is worth the extra cost on their metered offerings |
| 02:48.13 | drmessano | ih8wndz: Pretty much my point |
| 02:48.14 | ih8wndz | Easy to get them on the phone too |
| 02:48.21 | Samot | Its totally feasible. |
| 02:48.30 | Slade | maybe i'll call them :) |
| 02:48.32 | Samot | You just have to have the right tools.. |
| 02:48.35 | drmessano | Flowroute is actually reputable |
| 02:48.39 | Samot | ^^^^ |
| 02:48.48 | Slade | Samot, cool. i'll look for a softphone that does that |
| 02:48.53 | ih8wndz | Dude, I love their interface |
| 02:48.55 | Samot | Bria. |
| 02:48.56 | drmessano | There isnt one, Slade |
| 02:49.05 | Slade | isnt one? |
| 02:49.16 | drmessano | You need to get HTTP RESTful <> SIP/SIMPLE |
| 02:49.20 | Samot | ^^^ |
| 02:49.24 | ih8wndz | Bria for iphone, csipsimple for android |
| 02:49.32 | drmessano | You're gonna have to roll your own method of getting it back and forth |
| 02:49.42 | Samot | With Asterisk in the middle. |
| 02:49.46 | drmessano | SIP/SIMPLE isn't the problem |
| 02:50.08 | Slade | "This is available for information only- CSipSimple is no longer being developed (since 2017)- no further support is available." |
| 02:50.12 | drmessano | You literally need to write a gateway |
| 02:50.13 | Samot | The carrier is going to send you the SMS via an AI |
| 02:50.20 | Samot | The carrier is going to send you the SMS via an API |
| 02:50.32 | drmessano | BRIA is fine for SIP/SIMPLE.. you're missing the important part |
| 02:50.33 | Samot | You need to take that data and push it to Asterisk for MessageSend() |
| 02:50.40 | drmessano | You literally need to write a gateway <------- |
| 02:50.44 | Samot | Which will send it to the softphone via SIP/SIMPLE |
| 02:51.00 | Samot | Then the phone will send a message via SIP/SIMPLE to Asterisk |
| 02:51.08 | Samot | And you need to get it from Asterisk to your API to send to the carrier. |
| 02:51.19 | ih8wndz | Slade: I still use it, it still works great |
| 02:51.29 | Slade | sounds like a pain. |
| 02:51.43 | drmessano | Bria is $10 a year and it works |
| 02:51.46 | Samot | It's not really that hard. |
| 02:52.24 | ih8wndz | I've never used bria on android |
| 02:52.33 | ih8wndz | MIght give it a try |
| 02:52.45 | ih8wndz | $10/year is worth it |
| 02:53.03 | Slade | Long-code SMS |
| 02:53.04 | Slade | $0.004/msg not terribly priced |
| 02:53.04 | drmessano | Bria is the only softphone being actively developed |
| 02:53.19 | Slade | concerning |
| 02:53.37 | ih8wndz | Yeah, subscription pricing is a smart move on their part |
| 02:53.39 | drmessano | There's other in the same space, but they come and go |
| 02:54.09 | drmessano | ih8wndz: Indeed.. got 8 years for $40 when I bought it outright.. Im happy to pay annual now |
| 02:54.40 | ih8wndz | If it keeps them around.... totally |
| 02:54.49 | Slade | looks like their mac/windows one is perpetual license |
| 02:55.03 | drmessano | For the one version |
| 02:55.39 | Slade | indeed |
| 02:56.30 | Slade | hmm, they're selling headsets too. i should invest in a decent cell headset |
| 02:57.39 | drmessano | You can get a plantronics elsewhere cheaper |
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| 02:57.57 | Slade | yea. not sure i'm a fan of plantronics i've had some bad luck with some of their bluetooth sets |
| 02:58.21 | Slade | its cool to see this channel talking about stuff. :) |
| 02:58.35 | drmessano | Eh |
| 02:58.44 | drmessano | Not sure that's even a fair comparison |
| 02:58.57 | drmessano | They've been the premier headset maker for many years |
| 02:59.24 | drmessano | Like, their primary business is regular headsets.. |
| 02:59.54 | drmessano | That's like saying Burger King sucks because their tacos aren't as good as Taco bell |
| 03:00.25 | drmessano | However, I haven't had bad luck with Plantronics bluetooth either.. |
| 03:01.40 | Slade | fair enough |
| 03:02.31 | Samot | Plus Polycom owns them now. |
| 03:05.14 | drmessano | I wonder who makes a nice Bluetooth rj11 device |
| 03:07.03 | drmessano | Wow, $100 |
| 03:12.12 | Slade | hmm the freepbx docker images seem dated |
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| 03:50.15 | Samot | Just FYI...7,000 comic books are quite heavy even when in groups of 1,000. |
| 03:52.01 | Samot | Slade: FreePBX doesn't perform well in a container... |
| 03:52.12 | Samot | Most people don't listen and then discover it on their own. |
| 03:52.17 | Samot | Then stop. |
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| 04:08.21 | Slade | ah ok |
| 04:08.39 | Slade | Samot, how about in a VM? amazon server or something |
| 04:10.52 | Samot | Amazon is high cost |
| 04:11.01 | Samot | And immediately puts you behind NAT. |
| 04:12.40 | Samot | And their ESB storage can be a POS when it comes to a lot of I/O traffic. |
| 04:13.49 | Samot | Plus if you want a public IP for your server that doesn't change when you power down/reboot, etc you have to pay for it. |
| 04:19.15 | Samot | Now some, like someone on the FreePBX forums, will argue that it's "not really NAT" because it's 1:1 NAT but that still doesn't change the fact the AWS firewalls are taking the Public IP and translating it to a Private IP despite the fact the external and local ports are the same. Its still NAT. |
| 04:20.27 | Samot | Or the fact you have to setup FreePBX (or Asterisk) in a way that basically tells it "I'm sitting behind NAT" because you still have to set the External IPs/Hosts, Local Hosts, etc so Asterisk knows when to use the External IP for calls. |
| 04:20.27 | drmessano | Linode or Vultr |
| 04:20.30 | Samot | ^^^ |
| 04:20.32 | Samot | Basically. |
| 04:22.54 | drmessano | Well that was fun |
| 04:23.25 | drmessano | Just had to bypass a UPS that was part of a project to remove it anyway |
| 04:23.39 | drmessano | Hand got forced because it died during generator testing |
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| 05:19.46 | nafg | Hi, in the dialplan I call Agi, after it ends can I somehow tell if it hung up because (1) autohangup timed out (2) the program threw an exception or (3) it finished successfully? |
| 05:20.43 | nafg | I can modify the FastAGI if need be, but then (1) how can it pass information to the dialplan for after it finishes, (2) how can it know if it was autohangup? |
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| 08:44.34 | Rico | hi |
| 08:44.46 | Rico | is this doc still valid ? https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Distributed+Device+State+with+XMPP+PubSub |
| 08:44.52 | Rico | last modified in 2010... |
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| 15:19.41 | Slade | drmessano, huh, i'd never heard of vultr before. interesting |
| 15:20.29 | Slade | all my little machines are on wholesaleinternet. |
| 15:23.30 | drmessano | I try to limit my cloud usage to known providers. |
| 15:24.00 | drmessano | I learned my lesson a decade ago about budget providers |
| 15:24.09 | drmessano | If their name is a sentence, donât use it |
| 15:24.38 | Slade | hah |
| 15:25.36 | Slade | i've used them for a while. they're... certainly a budget provider, but not bad, probably nothing i'd use for something as important as telco, but certainly useful in many cases |
| 15:25.42 | drmessano | Cheapvoip4free verycheapvps , etc |
| 15:26.38 | drmessano | Whatâs cheaper than $5 for a single core VPS with 1GB RAM and 20GB SSD |
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| 15:29.47 | Slade | drmessano, oh i use them for the unmetered bandwidth. bulk file sharing |
| 15:30.41 | TheVoidPT | hello everyone |
| 15:31.34 | Slade | that $5 linode plan should be sufficient for a freepbx install? |
| 15:45.58 | drmessano | Yep |
| 15:46.12 | drmessano | Linode or Vultr |
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| 15:54.36 | Kobaz | what major supplier stocks vvx 450 these days |
| 15:54.41 | Kobaz | i only found one place so far |
| 15:57.02 | TheVoidPT | is anyone using google hangouts as inbound chat? |
| 15:59.45 | [TK]D-Fender | No. |
| 16:00.58 | Kobaz | tk-fender knows all |
| 16:01.07 | drmessano | Inbound to what? |
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| 16:27.07 | TheVoidPT | lost connection |
| 16:27.13 | TheVoidPT | just inbound chat |
| 16:27.48 | TheVoidPT | I was able to get chat from google hangount delived to asterisk, but the SIP gets all messed up |
| 16:30.53 | TheVoidPT | *delivered |
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