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| 01:30.30 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.23.1 (2018/09/20) 16.0.0 (2018/10/09), Security Only: 15.6.1 (2018/09/20); DAHDI: DAHDI-linux 2.11.1 (2016/03/01), DAHDI-tools 2.11.1 (2016/03/01); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 -=- Logs: bit.ly/1s4AKKu |
| 02:11.32 | Samot | Hey @file if Chan_SIP goes no-load in 17 does that mean IAX is going the same way too? |
| 02:12.20 | Samot | fingers crossed |
| 02:12.41 | [TK]D-Fender | because...... |
| 02:14.04 | Samot | Why does it need to srick around? |
| 02:14.48 | [TK]D-Fender | Why is going away the default state for everything? |
| 02:14.58 | [TK]D-Fender | Is app_dial sticking around? |
| 02:15.22 | Samot | Uhm. Its been community driven for longer than chan_sip |
| 02:15.40 | Samot | Its not supported or developed by the vendor that created it. |
| 02:15.59 | [TK]D-Fender | Why have chan_dahdi at all, isn't everyone going voip anyways? How able chan-console? Don't need soundacrds or anything, jsut get more SIP devices! |
| 02:16.17 | [TK]D-Fender | What more does IAX2 have to support? |
| 02:16.22 | [TK]D-Fender | What's broken about it? |
| 02:16.28 | Samot | Guys, remember that meltdown I said would happen |
| 02:16.34 | Samot | points |
| 02:16.58 | Samot | I said no-load man |
| 02:17.05 | Samot | Thats not removal |
| 02:17.38 | [TK]D-Fender | As in what, "noload" in just a sample modules.conf? |
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| 02:20.44 | Samot | Id have to read the dev notes |
| 02:22.31 | [TK]D-Fender | On a basic level chan_sip has been deemed specificall deficient and has a full replacement to support the protocol. IAX2 is what it is and people do use it. |
| 02:22.50 | [TK]D-Fender | So I woulnd't assume it's being downgraded just because chan_sip may have been. |
| 02:24.41 | Samot | Right now just no-load with talks of actual removal. |
| 02:25.07 | Samot | Due to the fact new users and those converting to PJSIP pretty much nuke and disable Chan_SIP anyways. |
| 02:26.38 | [TK]D-Fender | Yes, as I said, I can understand that move. |
| 02:26.59 | [TK]D-Fender | I was just debating why you brought up IAX2 in that light |
| 02:27.10 | Samot | 1) It was a joke. |
| 02:27.18 | Samot | 2) I don't see the need for IAX. |
| 02:27.23 | [TK]D-Fender | Your delivery needs work I guess |
| 02:27.32 | Samot | Yeah, that's what it needs. |
| 02:27.48 | [TK]D-Fender | heads out for a while |
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| 03:21.31 | Slade | efm, still a long way from companies doing it themselves it seems |
| 03:23.48 | Samot | Do what? |
| 03:25.02 | Samot | 7:19:12 PM <efm> phone + voip + cellular + internet for a modest price and pay as you go bw <--- That? |
| 03:32.09 | Samot | Comcast has something along those lines. But typical billing structures. |
| 03:33.03 | Samot | Mobile service that does Wifi calling and has like 8 million hot spots to connect to the Internet. |
| 03:34.10 | Samot | I just don't know how the "voip" aspect would fit in. |
| 03:36.19 | Samot | In what context is voip being used here? |
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| 03:39.22 | Samot | Slade: ? |
| 03:42.46 | Samot | Better yet. |
| 03:43.32 | Samot | efm: When you say "voip" in that service suite of this project. In what context? |
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| 04:07.26 | Slade | Samot, efm was refering to googles offering.. |
| 04:07.54 | Slade | fi |
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| 04:08.44 | Slade | we were talking about companies being able to be able to pick up a low level service doing their own routing and such over mobile networks |
| 04:10.13 | Samot | Right and I'm just trying to figure out the "voip" context. |
| 04:10.33 | Samot | Because by offering calls of the "Wifi data" is technically VoIP. |
| 04:10.48 | Slade | oh, just a comparison to voip |
| 04:11.11 | Slade | $x per minute of use in bulk |
| 04:11.56 | Slade | efm probably just meant it as part of googles offering |
| 04:12.57 | Samot | I'm not sure how you are comparing it to voip |
| 04:13.01 | Samot | VoIP is a method. |
| 04:13.13 | Samot | How that is achieved, that varies. |
| 04:14.10 | Samot | If Google, Comcast, etc offer calls over wifi/Internet data when no cell services is available, that is VoIP. |
| 04:15.00 | Slade | indeed, the language being used wasnt very technical/precise. what i was refering to was a provider like flowroute that was offering mobile tower time instead |
| 04:15.27 | Samot | Yes, hence my question of "in what context is voip being used?" |
| 04:15.39 | Samot | So I could better understand how the flow of services would work together. |
| 04:15.56 | Slade | hopefully that cleared it up |
| 04:16.31 | Slade | theres a big black box in the middle of my knowledge of how it'd work together, so |
| 04:17.18 | Slade | but we were saying similar to how mnvos would work |
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| 04:19.28 | Samot | Well, in some ways that would depend on how you really wanted to deliver the voice services. |
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| 04:21.09 | Samot | I mean if you're already a MNVOS, I would assume you're offer voice/data over the towers.... |
| 04:21.34 | Samot | The only issue would be, how to make it happen when they aren't by your towers. |
| 04:23.52 | drmessano | Not sure what motivates a person that after they install a softphone on their mobile device, they think "I can set up an Asterisk backend and SELL THIS" |
| 04:25.35 | Samot | Well the one thing that I don't think will change is a mobile/mvnos going to "usage" based plans with data anytime soon. I mean they already do if you go over, they bill by the MB in some cases..... |
| 04:25.49 | Samot | But cheaply, that part I'm not sure about. |
| 04:26.18 | Samot | Because the voice/texting part of the service is usually the "unlimited" part with data being the limited side. |
| 04:26.51 | Samot | Running those towers ain't cheap. AMIRITE drmessamo?! |
| 04:26.55 | Samot | Running those towers ain't cheap. AMIRITE drmessano?! |
| 04:27.21 | drmessano | You betcha |
| 04:27.25 | Samot | I've lost track of how much you've spent this year. |
| 04:27.28 | Slade | the mass deployment of the 5g is going to make it even more expensive |
| 04:27.38 | Samot | And that's what you've shared. |
| 04:27.56 | drmessano | 5g isn't going to be more expensive to operate |
| 04:28.09 | drmessano | It'll be less expensive |
| 04:28.22 | Samot | The build is the flux in expensive. |
| 04:28.35 | Slade | what do you mean |
| 04:29.08 | Samot | Upgrading the network to support 5g, that's the cost. |
| 04:29.18 | Slade | right |
| 04:29.18 | Samot | Once it's in place, the day to day costs go down. |
| 04:29.21 | drmessano | It's capital though.. so it's expensed across a number of years |
| 04:29.41 | drmessano | That's really not going to be a huge factor for the larger operators |
| 04:29.44 | Samot | So the upgrade costs are amortized over years. |
| 04:30.03 | drmessano | The offset in operational costs is going to be massive |
| 04:31.11 | Slade | still lots of money for the mass deployment |
| 04:31.55 | drmessano | I don't think you realize how their capital structure works |
| 04:32.03 | Slade | i have a colleague making big money deploying fancy batteries to towers for the 5g initiative |
| 04:32.16 | Samot | Did you think this during the 3g to 4g upgrade? |
| 04:32.27 | Samot | How do you think that worked out for those guys? |
| 04:32.36 | Slade | i didnt think anything about the 3-4g upgrade |
| 04:32.42 | Samot | It was sooo costly and bad, they are going to 5g. |
| 04:33.07 | Samot | Because why not waste more money. |
| 04:33.14 | drmessano | If you pay for a car across 5 years, then 5 years from now, you get a new car, where is your additional expense? |
| 04:33.15 | Samot | These kinds of things exists in plans. |
| 04:33.22 | drmessano | That's how capital works, more or less |
| 04:33.38 | Slade | i'm not sure what you're refering to samot |
| 04:33.51 | drmessano | So there's not some huge payout they need to make for 5g |
| 04:33.53 | Samot | I'm saying, they've done this before. |
| 04:33.56 | Slade | oh sure |
| 04:33.58 | Slade | this isnt new |
| 04:34.01 | Samot | Right |
| 04:34.11 | Samot | So yeah, it's going to cost lots of money for them. |
| 04:34.17 | Samot | Luckily, they have lots of money for it. |
| 04:34.20 | Slade | indeed |
| 04:34.26 | drmessano | It's simple attrition of old gear. They've rolled out multiple sets of gear in what one would consider the "4G" era as well |
| 04:34.49 | drmessano | I know AT&T and T-Mobile rolled out at least 3 sets of kit during the 4G era |
| 04:34.52 | Slade | Samot, sorry i think i lost the point you were trying to make.. |
| 04:35.10 | Samot | It's the same thing drmessano is saying. |
| 04:35.27 | Samot | This is how the business works. |
| 04:35.38 | Slade | oh sorry i cant see what hes saying |
| 04:35.50 | drmessano | hah |
| 04:35.56 | Samot | When you spend $10K on gear as a company.... |
| 04:36.05 | Samot | You figure out how long that gear is going to be in use.. |
| 04:36.12 | Samot | Due to various factors.. |
| 04:36.32 | Samot | Then you can determine how you "pay out" that $10K over time in your budgets. |
| 04:36.45 | Slade | you're trying to explain capex? |
| 04:37.28 | drmessano | capex is why it's not going to "cost a lot of money" |
| 04:37.45 | Samot | 12:37:27 AM <drmessano> capex is why it's not going to "cost a lot of money" |
| 04:37.52 | Samot | I just didn't want to repeat it. |
| 04:38.23 | drmessano | https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/amortization.asp |
| 04:38.32 | Slade | its still cash flow isnt it? some companies are going to make tons of money off it. i have no doubt that the big boys will make all their money back and then some |
| 04:38.54 | drmessano | Not really |
| 04:39.02 | Slade | att did what? 22 billion in capex last year? that 22 billion went into the pocket of someone |
| 04:39.21 | drmessano | That's money they spend regularly anyway |
| 04:39.37 | drmessano | Except instead of v4 of their 4G gear, it's going to be v1 of their 5G kit |
| 04:39.39 | Slade | oh, sorry only 21.6 billion |
| 04:40.02 | drmessano | AT&T changes out equipment regularly |
| 04:42.03 | Samot | Wait, you still can't see what drmessano is saying? |
| 04:42.45 | drmessano | He's not gonna take me off ignore. I've got shit to do anyway |
| 04:43.00 | Samot | Slade: OK so I spend $25K on equipment for my network. That's part of my capex... |
| 04:43.31 | Slade | Samot, start simpler. t-mobile spends x amount on a license for a specific spectrum |
| 04:43.39 | Samot | But I take that and say, I'm going to get 5 years out of these things.... |
| 04:44.53 | Slade | that money goes to the government.. they now have that money. and can use it to waste in the ways they're known to waste it.. t-mobile on the other hand, now has an tax writeoff, with a specific shelf life. that they can use for making more money |
| 04:45.23 | Samot | The license is only a take write off if they use it. |
| 04:45.30 | Samot | It can't "sit on the shelf" |
| 04:45.48 | Samot | It doesn't deprecate while "in stock" |
| 04:46.17 | Slade | I also have to wonder if its a depreciating asset, now that we're talking about it |
| 04:46.25 | Samot | I can't spend that $25K and leave the gear in the boxes and get a tax write off every year. |
| 04:47.08 | drmessano | Licenses are not capital. |
| 04:47.33 | Samot | True. It's not physical or a service. |
| 04:48.44 | Samot | It's not like that retainer I used to pay to have someone like you come out and be stupid enough to do live transformer change outs. |
| 04:49.59 | drmessano | Now that sounds fun |
| 04:50.07 | Samot | And I'd say the same thing to you I'd say to all the others "Something goes wrong, I'll cut the power but I ain't grabbing you. You are going to cook. Or be shot 10 feet back into that server rack" |
| 04:50.27 | Samot | "...probably both" |
| 04:50.40 | drmessano | I have a saying that covers that |
| 04:51.00 | drmessano | If I start to smell like bacon, hit me with something |
| 04:51.38 | drmessano | Preferably non-condutive |
| 04:51.42 | Samot | There was usually 4 of us to stand around watching 1 guy do this. |
| 04:53.44 | Samot | The best was Phil. |
| 04:53.48 | Samot | Oh Phil... |
| 04:54.09 | Samot | He'd show up at 2:30AM when we were ready for the work to be done... |
| 04:54.15 | Samot | Not because he had to be there... |
| 04:54.36 | Samot | But because it was on his way home from the bar and like NASCAR, he waits for accidents. |
| 04:55.32 | Samot | If things went perfectly, without fail, Phil left severely disappointed. |
| 04:56.15 | drmessano | Hahah |
| 04:56.31 | drmessano | There's always a Phil |
| 04:56.51 | Samot | "Tell'em to send the asshole they hate and isn't good at their job next time. I want a BBQ" |
| 04:56.58 | Samot | ^^ Something along those lines. |
| 04:57.55 | drmessano | I've been lucky. I haven't been bit in about 10 years |
| 04:58.26 | drmessano | I know a guy that's going on 50+ years since he was bit |
| 04:58.26 | Samot | About the same with me.. |
| 04:58.32 | Samot | But I made a choice then... |
| 04:58.40 | Samot | Not to touch that type of shit again. |
| 04:59.02 | Samot | You actively tempt the odds for it, daily. |
| 04:59.10 | Samot | Dumbass. |
| 04:59.36 | Slade | looks like spectrum licenses dont depreciate from what i can tell |
| 04:59.44 | drmessano | I've been bit by 120, 240, and then that one time I got the RF burn from my AM tower |
| 04:59.50 | Samot | Is this guy like the shop teacher who hasn't had an accident in 20 years... |
| 05:00.03 | Samot | Only has three fingers on one hand...but 20 years...solid |
| 05:00.18 | drmessano | Hahah |
| 05:00.40 | Samot | So he's probably like Kurt Russell in Backdraft.... |
| 05:00.45 | drmessano | I still have the scar from my RF burn |
| 05:00.50 | Samot | But 50+ since....fine... |
| 05:01.59 | Samot | Mine was 120 |
| 05:02.39 | Samot | And stupid, I wasn't even doing anything (including paying attention) and I brushed my arm against a live, exposed wire... |
| 05:03.00 | Samot | I'll admit it now. I peed a bit when it happened. |
| 05:04.48 | drmessano | Yeah. That's rough. |
| 05:04.51 | Slade | ouch |
| 05:05.33 | Samot | Yeah, luckily it was quick contact but f'ing hell. |
| 05:05.50 | drmessano | Now what's fun is when 10kv arcs inside the PA cabinet of a transmitter |
| 05:06.02 | Samot | You lose all filtering ability on what comes out of your mouth when shit like that happens too. |
| 05:06.21 | Samot | That sounds fun to watch, from a distance. |
| 05:06.31 | Samot | Like on youtube |
| 05:06.38 | drmessano | Hahaha |
| 05:07.02 | drmessano | Well, the ON button is right there at the cabinet |
| 05:07.10 | Slade | today on fun with electricity... |
| 05:07.18 | drmessano | So you're like 12 inches from the arc |
| 05:07.25 | drmessano | Or less |
| 05:10.42 | Samot | Oh drmessano....... |
| 05:10.48 | Samot | Be jealous. |
| 05:11.02 | drmessano | Oh? |
| 05:11.06 | Samot | Because speaking of electricity going through your body..... |
| 05:11.29 | drmessano | You bought that nipple stimulator ? |
| 05:11.36 | drmessano | How is it? |
| 05:11.39 | Samot | I got to be around and up close and even help a bit with setup of the human tesla coil.... |
| 05:11.50 | drmessano | Oh nice |
| 05:12.04 | Samot | Back in the late 90's when Danyell (Slymenstra) in GWAR was doing it at shows. |
| 05:12.32 | Samot | It was rather fascinating.. |
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| 07:54.03 | FuriousGeorge | hey all |
| 07:55.06 | FuriousGeorge | i have 3 fxs gateway with 144 channels between them. if i wanted to call all of them at the same time, would that be possible? i beleve the dial string is limited to 230 characters mo |
| 07:55.11 | FuriousGeorge | re or loss |
| 07:55.52 | FuriousGeorge | so that would not be a solution. |
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| 08:40.12 | FuriousGeorge | could asterisk handle e.g. 100 concurrent channels on modern hardware? let's say 4 cores on a recent cpu and a few gigs of ram |
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| 10:11.11 | jsmith | FuriousGeorge: Yes, a modern Asterisk system should be able to handle 100 concurrent channels, if tuned properly |
| 10:11.27 | jsmith | FuriousGeorge: You can also use Local channels to get around the 230 character limit |
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| 10:12.39 | sibiria | you don't need to do any tuning for that |
| 10:13.07 | sibiria | reaching up to 150 channels you might need to increase the number of allowed open file descriptors for the user running asterisk |
| 10:13.14 | sibiria | but other than that, no specific tuning needed |
| 10:13.40 | sibiria | out-of-the-box build of asterisk can do several hundred simultaneous channels without breaking much of a sweat |
| 10:15.38 | FuriousGeorge | thanks jsmith |
| 10:17.31 | sibiria | FuriousGeorge: as a comparison, we have a weak system with 2gb of ram, running on a single virtual CPU core of 6-7 year old hardware |
| 10:17.44 | sibiria | it can do 150 concurrent calls, maxing out at circa 85% cpu usage |
| 10:18.24 | sibiria | (with no audio stream conversion - ulaw/alaw passthrough) |
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| 13:18.41 | shanth | anyone know any good EU Sip providers? |
| 13:18.56 | shanth | i'm in the USA but need a UK Toll free number. Do american sip providers offer this? curious |
| 13:38.20 | pchero_work | shanth: Messagebird :) |
| 13:48.46 | DanQuinney | is it possible to use the CALLERID data from the PAID header rather than the From header when receiving calls? |
| 13:50.31 | Samot | I believe From is the last to be looked at. |
| 13:50.50 | Samot | I send calls with CallerID via PAI and it always uses that over the From. |
| 13:51.25 | DanQuinney | Interesting, I'm not seeing that |
| 13:52.38 | Samot | What do you mean? |
| 13:55.04 | file | you'd need to provide more information such as the configuration, which channel driver, and the SIP traffic itself |
| 13:59.31 | DanQuinney | Sure, 2 secs :) |
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| 14:10.26 | DanQuinney | don't worry guys, I was being an idiot :) |
| 14:15.56 | Samot | How so? |
| 14:17.26 | sibiria | shanth: voxbone offers toll-free +800 DIDs |
| 14:17.42 | sibiria | can't say they're particularly cheap, but then again i don't know other actors' pricing on this |
| 14:18.05 | sibiria | i'm unsure about their +44 toll-free offerings |
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| 15:30.35 | igcewieling | [TK]D-Fender: what do you think of the pjsip wizard stuff? is it like users.conf (i.e. stupid)? |
| 15:31.16 | [TK]D-Fender | IMO, yes... seriously people should just learn the real base config... |
| 15:31.40 | [TK]D-Fender | That's the PG answer anyway :) |
| 15:31.42 | igcewieling | thanks. |
| 15:31.44 | [TK]D-Fender | ~users.conf |
| 15:31.44 | infobot | [~users.conf] users.conf is a flaming pile of sh1t that takes the fine control of several perfectly usable asterisk config files and reduces them to the lowest common denominator and makes your system behave like a "toaster grade" PBX system. |
| 15:32.42 | igcewieling | I'm rewriting my sip config file script to output pjsip config. |
| 15:33.05 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm overdue to actually start working with it myself. |
| 15:33.49 | igcewieling | Especially because I don't think I'll ever upgrade past Asterisk 13 on our main call routing servers, so there is no point in switching to Asterisk 16. |
| 15:33.59 | [TK]D-Fender | IIRC they recently added a usable DDNS lookup option to deal with dynamic WAN IP's which was the biggest challenge for many users in converting to it. |
| 15:34.18 | file | it's been in a few releases |
| 15:34.23 | file | behaves the same as chan_sip did |
| 15:35.20 | [TK]D-Fender | :) |
| 15:36.41 | igcewieling | Is there any sort of pjsip.conf validate script? Sort of like there is for AEL. |
| 15:37.49 | file | not unless someone has written such a thing outside |
| 15:37.56 | file | at load time it is much less forgiving than chan_sip was though |
| 15:39.05 | igcewieling | 8-( |
| 15:39.31 | file | it generally won't allow bad things, forces fixing of the config, reduces murky behavior |
| 15:42.29 | igcewieling | I'll have to spin up an Asterisk VM to test with, |
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| 16:09.52 | zuwuko2 | can someone help me configure Lenny for telemarketers? I already copied the files, just need some help setting up the extension |
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| 16:24.40 | [TK]D-Fender | there is no such thing as configuring a linux distro for "telemarketers" |
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| 16:25.44 | [TK]D-Fender | Asterisk is either correctly installed on the OS or it isn't. Then as to what you configure it to do, that has nothing to do with the OS typically beyond not conflicting with firewall, routing, or other networking, etc |
| 16:35.03 | trmg | zuwuko2: I can send you an example entry for Lenny in extensions.conf if you want. |
| 16:37.50 | [TK]D-Fender | What does the dialplan care about your underlying distro? |
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| 16:38.14 | trmg | He said Lenny. |
| 16:38.17 | trmg | Not Linux. |
| 16:38.20 | trmg | Not sure where you got Linux from. |
| 16:38.51 | [TK]D-Fender | What "Lenny" are you referring to if not the Debian distro named "Lenny"> |
| 16:39.18 | trmg | https://crosstalksolutions.com/howto-pwn-telemarketers-with-lenny/ |
| 16:39.26 | trmg | I thought everyone knew about this. |
| 16:39.29 | trmg | lol |
| 16:40.05 | trmg | Actually, zuwuko2, the link I posted above has a sample dialplan entry. |
| 16:40.10 | [TK]D-Fender | That's ridiculous to say that that is a "thing" you should use his name to imply a configuration for. |
| 16:40.17 | trmg | Just replace "talk" with your inbound DID and/or whatever extension you want on it. |
| 16:40.31 | trmg | I'm not following, [TK]D-Fender |
| 16:40.54 | [TK]D-Fender | It's not a thing on the OS, it's not a provider you're trying to use, it's not the name of any related piece of software |
| 16:41.06 | trmg | Did you even view the link, [TK]D-Fender ? |
| 16:41.18 | trmg | No need to be an ass just because you don't agree with the name of something. |
| 16:41.20 | trmg | lol |
| 16:41.23 | [TK]D-Fender | That name is a hypothetical thing |
| 16:41.30 | [TK]D-Fender | They might as well have called it FRED |
| 16:41.35 | trmg | Sure. |
| 16:41.37 | [TK]D-Fender | Lenny isn't an actual thing. |
| 16:41.45 | trmg | What is your point? |
| 16:42.00 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't care what some random post used as a sample, it shouldn't be named out loud here as though the name meant anything |
| 16:42.08 | [TK]D-Fender | And only leads to confusion |
| 16:42.12 | trmg | For you, perhaps. |
| 16:42.28 | [TK]D-Fender | Yes, and anyone else who didn't read that one specific article |
| 16:42.34 | trmg | It's not just one article. |
| 16:43.00 | trmg | That was just an example to get you up to speed. :-P |
| 16:43.09 | trmg | https://www.google.com/search?q=Lenny+Asterisk |
| 16:44.07 | [TK]D-Fender | Not something that I've seen mentioned here until now |
| 16:44.19 | trmg | If you want to hear it, I have it set up at 631-488-9469 |
| 16:44.27 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm good |
| 16:44.44 | trmg | Well, how you have seen it mentioned here. |
| 16:44.48 | trmg | New milestone in #asterisk |
| 16:44.50 | trmg | lol |
| 16:45.01 | [TK]D-Fender | I'll affor it half an inch. |
| 16:45.13 | [TK]D-Fender | If I gave it a full one you'd try to take a mile :p |
| 16:47.33 | trmg | lol |
| 16:47.48 | Samot | Being an Asterisk user and not knowing/hearing/seeing a post about Lenny is like being a World of Warcraft player and not knowing who Leroy Jenkins is. |
| 16:48.17 | trmg | lmao |
| 16:49.17 | Samot | I've never played WoW, I have friends that have. They made me watch the Leroy Jenkins video. |
| 16:49.34 | Samot | The same is for non-Asterisk users. Their Asterisk using friends have made them listen to Lenny calls. |
| 16:49.41 | [TK]D-Fender | Except I've been in here for just short of 15 years and haven't seen it mentioned |
| 16:49.47 | seanbright | nor have i |
| 16:49.55 | seanbright | and i am the smartest person i know |
| 16:50.00 | Samot | Well it was actively posted in #freepbx. |
| 16:50.02 | [TK]D-Fender | And this is a very select cutural reference as opposed to "Leroy Jenkins" going wide culturally. |
| 16:50.04 | trmg | I played WoW back when it was the "new hotness" and they were giving away free trials like mad...but never got into it enough to actually subscribe. |
| 16:50.22 | trmg | Wow seanbright |
| 16:50.22 | Samot | Like multiple links to websites to listen to calls. |
| 16:50.36 | Samot | Don't be impressed. |
| 16:50.56 | Samot | Being the smartest in the room depends on the other people in the room. |
| 16:50.56 | trmg | No, I meant "wow" as in s/he actually said that. |
| 16:51.00 | Samot | The bar could be low. |
| 16:51.04 | trmg | Very true. |
| 16:51.34 | Samot | Play the odds right at some point @file becomes the smartest in the room. |
| 16:51.40 | Samot | hides |
| 16:51.53 | seanbright | smartest person in the room? |
| 16:51.56 | seanbright | talk about a low bar |
| 16:52.01 | file | hi |
| 16:52.55 | trmg | I definitely not the smartest person in the room...I share what I know when appropriate and like to learn from others. |
| 16:53.00 | Samot | We should be nice to file. He has a pre-existing condition. |
| 16:53.04 | Samot | He's Canadian. |
| 16:53.07 | trmg | So maybe seanbright can share all the infinite wisdom they may have. :-D |
| 16:53.12 | trmg | lmao Samot |
| 16:53.45 | [TK]D-Fender | And as a Canadian if you hurt his feeling he can have them checked at no extra cost out of pocket #singlepayer |
| 16:53.58 | Samot | True. |
| 16:54.18 | Samot | Canadian health plans have "hurt feels" coverage. |
| 16:54.20 | trmg | Well, it only costs me $15 to get my feelings checked. |
| 16:54.51 | trmg | Unless some aloe is perscribed...then that might be $20-30 unless I can get generic. |
| 16:55.08 | Samot | You can stop there.. |
| 16:55.11 | trmg | lol |
| 16:55.14 | seanbright | you two should exchange numbers |
| 16:55.20 | Samot | When topical ointments are needed, I don't want to know why. |
| 16:55.39 | trmg | It was a play on the whole "do you need some aloe for that burn?" |
| 16:55.47 | trmg | When the feels are hurt. |
| 16:55.55 | trmg | lol |
| 16:56.25 | Samot | And mine was a play on the "do you need cream for that strange itch in your privates?" |
| 16:56.38 | Samot | It was a double play. |
| 16:57.05 | trmg | touché |
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| 17:02.55 | zuwuko2 | Sorry this created such a dilema LOL |
| 17:03.20 | trmg | It's all good. |
| 17:03.37 | zuwuko2 | yes, please send me a sample of your extension for lenny, I tried to replace "talk" with extension but I get: |
| 17:03.37 | zuwuko2 | WARNING[17451][C-00000015]: file.c:772 ast_openstream_full: File "beep" does not exist in any format |
| 17:03.37 | zuwuko2 | [2018-10-24 11:21:20] WARNING[17451][C-00000015]: file.c:1245 ast_streamfile: Unable to open "beep" (format (ulaw)): No such file or directory |
| 17:03.50 | seanbright | you need to install sounds |
| 17:03.58 | seanbright | i think beep is in extras |
| 17:04.02 | seanbright | for whatever reason |
| 17:04.11 | trmg | beep? |
| 17:04.16 | trmg | I don't think mine calls that sound. |
| 17:04.20 | trmg | You could just omit it. |
| 17:04.29 | trmg | I'll PM you mine. |
| 17:04.43 | zuwuko2 | exten => 300,1,Set(i=${IF($["0${i}"="016"]?7:$[0${i}+1])}) |
| 17:04.43 | zuwuko2 | ;same => n,ExecIf($[${i}=1]?MixMonitor(${UNIQUEID}.wav)) |
| 17:04.43 | zuwuko2 | ;same => n,Playback(Lenny/Lenny${i}) |
| 17:04.43 | zuwuko2 | same => n,BackgroundDetect(Lenny/backgroundnoise,1500) |
| 17:04.48 | [TK]D-Fender | ~pb |
| 17:04.48 | infobot | i guess pastebin is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 17:04.49 | [TK]D-Fender | ^^^^ |
| 17:04.54 | zuwuko2 | opops |
| 17:04.57 | zuwuko2 | oops* |
| 17:04.58 | trmg | lol |
| 17:05.02 | [TK]D-Fender | do NOT flood in here |
| 17:05.08 | trmg | Yeah that's why I was gonna go to PM...Pastebin is another good one too. |
| 17:05.46 | [TK]D-Fender | <zuwuko2> WARNING[17451][C-00000015]: file.c:772 ast_openstream_full: File "beep" does not exist in any format <- means what it says. You tol dit to play a file it can't read/find |
| 17:06.16 | trmg | I'm trying to figure out why it wants that sound in the first place. |
| 17:06.33 | seanbright | some of the built-in apps use it |
| 17:06.48 | trmg | Perhaps MixMonitor is configured to use it then. |
| 17:06.57 | trmg | Must not be on mine...or I just never hear the beep. |
| 17:07.19 | seanbright | MixMonitor does use it |
| 17:08.34 | trmg | I know why I don't hear it...I'm not sending early media there. |
| 17:08.49 | trmg | MixMonitor is executed before the call is "answered" via the Playback command. |
| 17:09.20 | [TK]D-Fender | We aren't looking at the call so I'm not going to guess |
| 17:09.39 | seanbright | [TK]D-Fender: it has to do with Rupert, obvious |
| 17:09.44 | seanbright | *ly |
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| 17:16.04 | seanbright | i remember setting asterisk with Matilda back in the day |
| 17:16.32 | seanbright | good times |
| 17:23.27 | Kobaz | do de do |
| 17:23.29 | Kobaz | sooooo |
| 17:23.50 | Kobaz | with a polycom vvx phone... is it possible to do an EFK where you can then select a line button as an input |
| 17:24.08 | Kobaz | ie: like transfer operates... transfer -> lines -> button |
| 17:24.19 | Kobaz | so then do like ELF Button -> lines -> button |
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| 17:38.22 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.22 | Kobaz | but without requiring a transfer |
| 17:43.27 | igcewieling | *shrug* The SoundPoint IPs soured me on EFK and "microbrowser" many years ago. |
| 17:43.53 | Kobaz | well that doesn't help |
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| 17:44.46 | seanbright | have you asked Lenny? |
| 17:44.51 | seanbright | he's a pretty big deal |
| 17:44.59 | Kobaz | nope, who'se Lenny |
| 17:45.08 | seanbright | OMG YOU DON'T KNOW WHO LENNY IS?! |
| 17:45.22 | Kobaz | Lemmywinks? |
| 17:49.24 | kb1_kanobe | Hey all. I've got an ongoing issue I'm trying to debug with an installation that behaves as if the system is leaking file descriptors. It was occurring with 15.1.5 and is still happening with 15.4.0 |
| 17:49.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Security Only: 15.6.1 (2018/09/20) |
| 17:50.01 | [TK]D-Fender | you're out of date, and that release is no longer supported |
| 17:50.22 | kb1_kanobe | Specifically, I have a SIP peer (Exchange2013) that is monitored. After a while it goes offline (seems to be an Exchange UM issue). All is well and Asterisk reports "tcptls.c:522 ast_tcptls_client_start: Unable to connect SIP socket to 172.16.1.29:5065: Connection timed out" as expected. |
| 17:50.45 | kb1_kanobe | however later I start seeing those followed immediately by "iostream.c:538 ast_iostream_close: close() failed: Bad file descriptor" |
| 17:51.05 | seanbright | chan_sip? |
| 17:51.14 | seanbright | RIP |
| 17:51.19 | kb1_kanobe | and much later, the system stops properly handling PRI starts... |
| 17:51.41 | kb1_kanobe | Is there a drop-in replacement for chan_sip? |
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| 17:52.21 | seanbright | assuming your definition of 'drop-in replacement' means you won't have to re-work some things, then no |
| 17:52.36 | seanbright | but chan_sip is community supported |
| 17:52.42 | seanbright | and the community doesn't care that much |
| 17:52.50 | kb1_kanobe | I'm fine with changing things up - there are only three peers. |
| 17:53.02 | TECFALL | on my cell phone, i can hear the music on hold. When I dial using an internal phone, i get the following: "translate.c:405 framein: no samples for ulawtolin" |
| 17:53.17 | TECFALL | I'm not sure what to do here. |
| 17:53.29 | kb1_kanobe | What bothers me is that the issue eventually ties the server up in knots - pri start failures, without ast crashing or complaining, are worrying. |
| 17:53.32 | seanbright | kb1_kanobe: then you should use asterisk 16 & chan_pjsip |
| 17:54.01 | TECFALL | Sorry, dialing IN using my cell, i get moh. But when i dial locally using a desk phone (Cisco 7961GE) i get the error above. |
| 17:54.04 | seanbright | well, chan_sip and chan_dahdi don't get much love these days |
| 17:55.43 | trmg | TECFALL: Are you using SCCP or SIP on the Cisco phone? |
| 17:55.53 | TECFALL | trmg: SIP |
| 17:56.12 | trmg | What codec(s) do you have allowed for the Cisco phone? |
| 17:56.21 | kb1_kanobe | @seanbright I'll try spinning up v16/pjsip and give it a go. Sadly the 92 physical PRI channels aren't going away any time soon so dahdi is a requirement for us. |
| 17:56.29 | TECFALL | trmg: where would i check that? |
| 17:56.30 | trmg | It seems like it's trying to transcode the MOH from ulaw to slin |
| 17:56.56 | trmg | It would be in the sip configuration file. Are you using pjsip or chan_sip? |
| 17:57.07 | seanbright | kb1_kanobe: i understand. best case scenario is that it's chan_sip that is causing you problems and not chan_dahdi. |
| 17:57.11 | TECFALL | sip.conf just has allow=ulaw under the global section |
| 17:57.15 | igcewieling | kb1_kanobe: chan_sip and Asterisk 13 have not expired, no matter how badly some people want them to. |
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| 17:58.21 | seanbright | i assume that was directed at me, but i have no vested interest in chan_sip living or dying |
| 17:58.42 | kb1_kanobe | igcewieling: I'm up for reporting this - one machine is in the process of going pear shaped at the moment - but I'm not sure how to capture all the necessary traces to conclusively demonstrate that it's a leaking FD issue. |
| 17:59.49 | igcewieling | kb1_kanobe: how do you think your system is different from the thousands of similar systems with similar issues? There must be something different. |
| 18:00.44 | igcewieling | We know DAHDI and chan_sip work together. |
| 18:02.15 | kb1_kanobe | igcewieling: No, not significantly different really other than perhaps peering with Exchange 2013 UM might be less common, and it takes tens of thousands of calls before it to starts occurring. If it would help pin down a rare issue I'm happy to chip in, otherwise I'll just move up to latest and pretend it never happened. |
| 18:02.15 | seanbright | well, TLS support in chan_sip is not as robust as it should be |
| 18:02.24 | igcewieling | kb1_kanobe: are you running TLS? |
| 18:02.30 | file | TLS and TCP are only in recent times gaining traction |
| 18:02.59 | seanbright | 17:50 < kb1_kanobe> Specifically, I have a SIP peer (Exchange2013) that is monitored. After a while it goes offline (seems to be an Exchange UM issue). All is well and Asterisk reports "tcptls.c:522 |
| 18:03.03 | seanbright | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.08 | igcewieling | kb1_kanobe: you mean move up to the latest and hope whatever isn't working was fixed. |
| 18:03.14 | trmg | TECFALL: Try adding a disallow=all before the allow=ulaw |
| 18:03.36 | TECFALL | trmg: sorry, i should have mentioned i am already doing that |
| 18:03.42 | igcewieling | I must have missed that. Good luck, I'm not touching TLS. |
| 18:03.54 | trmg | Got it, TECFALL. |
| 18:04.00 | seanbright | well, TLS hasn't expired, no matter how badly some people want it to. |
| 18:04.00 | kb1_kanobe | igcewieling: not tls, sip peer is defined as tcp. and yes, move up to 16 as a 'preventative' step. |
| 18:04.42 | trmg | Re: DAHDI - FWIW I used it with pjsip under Asterisk 13 and am using it under 16 now. |
| 18:04.54 | seanbright | 14 open issues for chan_sip/TCP-TLS |
| 18:05.48 | trmg | dahdi & libpri...ISDN will never die. |
| 18:05.50 | trmg | lol |
| 18:05.57 | kb1_kanobe | trmg: so true. |
| 18:05.58 | trmg | hugs his TE210P card |
| 18:06.04 | igcewieling | I'm pretty sure I'd not use chan_sip for TLS or even TCP. If you MUST use either then that might be a good reason to upgrade. |
| 18:06.55 | kb1_kanobe | I think I'll upgrade one of the low traffic boxes to 16 with the current config. If it reocccurs I'll migrate to chan_pjsip. If it still happens I'll be back for more sage advice. |
| 18:07.13 | trmg | TECFALL: I don't have any experience with Cisco phones and Asterisk...I'm trying to think of why it'd be using lin. Hmm... |
| 18:07.25 | seanbright | well, fwiw, chan_sip in 15.4.0 and chan_sip in 16.0.0 are probably pretty damn close to identical |
| 18:07.39 | TECFALL | trmg: Yes, this is the first time i've ever seen it try to use lin |
| 18:08.11 | kb1_kanobe | seanbright: good observation. |
| 18:08.15 | kb1_kanobe | thanks. |
| 18:08.16 | trmg | Ironically, I have a 7912G scheduled for delivery today. :-D |
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| 18:27.28 | seanbright | that's not irony... |
| 18:27.45 | trmg | shrugs |
| 18:27.50 | seanbright | i don't really know |
| 18:28.05 | seanbright | but i recommend saying that whenever someone says that something is ironic |
| 18:28.14 | seanbright | it's fun at parties |
| 18:28.32 | igcewieling | irony (adj) something containing iron. 8-| |
| 18:28.52 | igcewieling | the water is very irony in Alabama |
| 18:31.50 | [TK]D-Fender | Irony: when your clothes are only slightly wrinkled |
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| 20:11.12 | *** topic/#asterisk is #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.23.1 (2018/09/20) 16.0.0 (2018/10/09), Security Only: 15.6.1 (2018/09/20); DAHDI: DAHDI-linux 2.11.1 (2016/03/01), DAHDI-tools 2.11.1 (2016/03/01); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 -=- Logs: bit.ly/1s4AKKu |
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| 20:22.26 | [red] | hello. i'm running a hosted pbx for small non-profit. there are 5 polycom vvx phones and extensions. really old version of asterisk 1.8.32.3. the server is on a dedi server with a public ip. no nat. all of our users are on various home internet connections (Comcast/AT&T/etc.) all of the sip peers are set to nat=yes, however i'm noticing something intersting about them. sip show peer 102 shows something like this: Reg. Contact |
| 20:22.27 | [red] | : sip:102@192.168.2.22:5060, but another user shows something like this: Reg. Contact : sip:101@<publicIP>:5060. I'm having issues with the Reg Contact with the private ip of having one way audio every once in a while. I instructed these users to disable SIP ALG on their routers but the reg contact still remains a private ip. any ideas on this one? |
| 20:24.35 | JonathanS | What's the policy in this channel for people offering jobs? I didn't see anything in the code of conduct. |
| 20:25.36 | JonathanS | [red]: do you have a pcap? |
| 20:25.45 | [red] | i do not |
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| 20:26.34 | [red] | i'm more curious of what would cause the Reg Contact field to show a public ip vs a private ip |
| 20:27.13 | MrTAP | > disable SIP ALG on their routers but the reg contact still remains a private ip |
| 20:27.14 | MrTAP | yes |
| 20:27.18 | MrTAP | enable SIP ALG to show the public ip |
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| 21:04.06 | seanbright | JonathanS: short of anything abusive (spam), i don't think there is any specific rules against it |
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| 21:49.33 | JonathanS | seanbright: ok, thank you. |
| 21:50.10 | JonathanS | We're hiring a couple asterisk engineers in PA. I'll stop back (or get someone else to) with details when we have them :) |
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| 22:08.25 | seanbright | JonathanS: what part of PA? |
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| 23:20.19 | shanth | is there any good CDR web gui viewer out there? i found this on github https://github.com/g613/asterisk-cdr-viewer |
| 23:21.17 | zuwuko2 | did you tr it? |
| 23:21.20 | zuwuko2 | try* |
| 23:22.15 | shanth | not yet, seeing if there a better one out there or a standard one |
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