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| 11:01.14 | *** topic/#asterisk is Take the March 2019 Asterisk User Survey! https://goo.gl/forms/xL1VUHRsf95saly13 -- #asterisk The Open Source PBX and Telephony Platform (asterisk.org) -=- LTS: 13.25.0 (2019/2/15) 16.2.1 (2019/2/28), Security Only: 15.7.2 (2019/2/28); DAHDI: 2.11.1 (2016/03/01); libpri 1.6.0 (2017/01/27) -=- Wiki: wiki.asterisk.org -=- Code of Conduct: bit.ly/1hH6P22 |
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| 11:08.06 | c0mrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.13 | c0mrade | dfjdf |
| 11:08.15 | c0mrade | dfs |
| 11:16.15 | Terrell | Simple question. I know I can order up a simple 2 line VoIP solution from say BabyTel and they send in my case a Cisco SPA122. With any old internet connection I've got land line service. My question is this. If I have asterisk running (which I do not) then can I configure Asterisk to set up two (2) DIDs and accomplish pretty much the same thing? A little more detail. I want to isolate a room and set up 2 new phone #'s so now there are 4 #'s in the |
| 11:16.15 | Terrell | house |
| 11:17.12 | Terrell | c0mrade, why would you want to do this? Also I have a serial impact printer. Mine is 400 lines per minute. |
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| 11:43.53 | c0mrade | Terrell: Fun? |
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| 12:25.03 | Samot | Terrell: we went over this at length. |
| 12:26.32 | Samot | c0mrade: not really impressed. |
| 12:36.23 | Terrell | Samot, just confirming. I am pretty sure the answer is yes. And good morning. Where are you from? I'm in Calgary |
| 12:37.26 | Terrell | Samot, at this time I'm looking to find out what I need to do to rewire the house. Once that is done I can drywall. Like 1/2 of this house is in shambles. |
| 12:37.39 | Samot | How much confirmation do you need? |
| 12:38.28 | Terrell | I think I can install asterisk and completely duplicate what Babytel can provide from the Cisco SPA212 |
| 12:38.39 | Samot | You can do more than that. |
| 12:38.46 | Samot | SPA112's are just dumb devices. |
| 12:38.56 | Samot | The convert SIP<-->Analog |
| 12:39.04 | Samot | They convert SIP<-->Analog |
| 12:39.12 | Terrell | ya. I figureed as much. asterisk basically as I understand it duplicates a Telco |
| 12:39.21 | Samot | No, it's doesn't. |
| 12:39.25 | Samot | It's a PBX. |
| 12:39.36 | Terrell | well no need to worry about that now. |
| 12:40.46 | Terrell | if I place an SPA112 at a remote location can I backhaul the IP traffic into an asterisk server and feed it into asterisk? |
| 12:41.03 | Samot | It's SIP. |
| 12:41.05 | Samot | Yes. |
| 12:42.00 | Terrell | currently the SPA112 I have goes to Babytel. I don't know what the protcol is but I'm sure I can find out. I guess the right question is can Asterisk support an SPA112? |
| 12:42.26 | Samot | It's SIP |
| 12:42.38 | Samot | We went over this for hours yesterday. |
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| 12:42.40 | Samot | YES. |
| 12:42.54 | Samot | Remember that part where I said everything can connect to Asterisk via SIP? |
| 12:43.03 | Samot | The SPA's, you could get IP phones....all of that |
| 12:43.29 | Terrell | Good. I have a freind retired now and very strapped for income. Means I should be able to put an SPA112 in her house and provide 2 DIDs. I can do this for $6.00 per month. |
| 12:44.37 | Terrell | She is paying more than she can afford for her services. She just wants her plain old land line phone that she has used for decades. |
| 12:46.18 | Terrell | There is no profit in this for me. I can't begin to compete against $3.00 per DID and there is no reason for me to try. But if I can save her a few $$ then it is worth the effort |
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| 12:48.53 | Terrell | How are things in London? |
| 12:49.04 | Samot | Don't know. |
| 12:49.29 | Terrell | your user info says London. |
| 12:50.08 | Samot | No, my user info says I'm connected to an IRC server in London. |
| 12:50.11 | Samot | Big difference. |
| 12:50.27 | Terrell | I just checked me. I see that |
| 12:51.03 | Terrell | I've never tried that before. |
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| 12:51.59 | Terrell | I need to check into the T.38 for faxing. I can do that later. But this is looking pretty good. I should be able to proved a land line for her. |
| 12:52.53 | Terrell | She uses a lot of long distance. I'll have to get a plan that can handle what she needs. Not too difficult. |
| 12:54.30 | Terrell | BabyTel told me the $22 plan will handle what I need for now. And they can flip to a new plan basically overnite so this looks like a fit. I start next week. |
| 12:56.38 | Terrell | As for an asterisk server. It might be months away. I have a LOT to do right now. |
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| 17:05.39 | life_of_e | What's the preferred incantation to generate patch diffs to submit into the feature requests? |
| 17:06.10 | [TK]D-Fender | priming to share your SIP INFO signaling patch? |
| 17:06.16 | life_of_e | yep |
| 17:06.18 | file | any way they apply - but changes themselves go up on Gerrit using that process, just putting a diff up on an issue doesn't do that part of the process |
| 17:06.45 | life_of_e | Right, I just want the diff output format to be what you expect |
| 17:07.04 | life_of_e | I was browsing diffs already there but am unsure what was used to get them in that specific format (e.g. the Index line) |
| 17:07.16 | file | I don't deal in diffs there, so I do not know what people use |
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| 17:11.41 | life_of_e | Ok, no problem, I'll try to figure it out |
| 17:13.05 | life_of_e | Compiling on a pi is slooooooow. :) I did the testing on a fast VM but updating the actual working system meant having to compile there (my cross compiler isn't working) |
| 17:38.14 | Samot | life_of_e: Does this SIP INFO patch support PJSIP? |
| 17:41.11 | life_of_e | Yes it does |
| 17:42.12 | life_of_e | Tested it earlier this week. It needs dtmfmode to be rfc2833/rfc4733 at this time |
| 17:42.53 | Samot | Cool. |
| 17:42.56 | life_of_e | My ATA supports both 2833 and INFO but I don't think the INFO packet was formatted correctly so it didn't work (I'd have to ask Grandstream what they expect). |
| 17:43.26 | life_of_e | The long form INFO packet that is, with the actual text of "Signal=" |
| 17:45.22 | life_of_e | So first I have to learn git, then Gerrit, then sign up for the accounts and such, and then finally submit the patch. Shouldn't take more than a few years. :) |
| 17:52.15 | Samot | This is for an FXO ATA? |
| 17:52.33 | life_of_e | Yep, the HT813 which is relatively new from Grandstream |
| 17:53.36 | life_of_e | Currently it's their only FXO offering |
| 17:54.41 | life_of_e | sorry, FXO/FXS offering (hybrid) |
| 17:54.52 | life_of_e | It's replacing the 503 |
| 17:54.56 | Samot | Right because most of those are now marketed just as GS is marketing it. |
| 17:55.16 | Samot | A backup device for your PBX. |
| 17:55.51 | Samot | I don't think the idea of using it for Call Waiting, etc was in the original idea. |
| 17:58.48 | life_of_e | I'm not sure what the original intent was but they seem to be marketing it as an ATA to connect directly to a SIP provider (based on the configuration instructions) |
| 17:59.17 | Samot | For the FXS side. |
| 17:59.23 | Samot | Just like any regular ATA would. |
| 17:59.31 | life_of_e | Right |
| 17:59.36 | Samot | The FXO side is different. |
| 18:02.26 | life_of_e | It appears from reading the intros one of the suggested uses is to combine PSTN and SIP meaning a call coming in via PSTN rings through to the analog phones attached to the FXS and a call coming in via SIP can also go to the analog phones |
| 18:02.35 | Samot | Don't get me wrong. You have a specific use case scenario you needed a specific fix for and you made Asterisk do it. That is not light at all. |
| 18:03.12 | Samot | However, the need to pass a "Flash" from a SIP Phone to Asterisk to the FXO gateway to the CO to pickup Call Waiting is not a very common scenario. |
| 18:03.23 | life_of_e | Oh I totally understand. I'm very much a corner case. |
| 18:05.27 | life_of_e | At least anyone with an HT503 or an HT813 would have that option now if they found a need for it. |
| 18:05.52 | Samot | So while what you've done is impressive (and kudos), I just don't know if it's a merge into Asterisk thing. |
| 18:06.07 | Samot | Yeah but again, you're looking at a small number. |
| 18:06.22 | Samot | A very very small number to patch an entire engine for. |
| 18:06.39 | Samot | These things are (should be) factors for this kind of stuff. |
| 18:06.51 | life_of_e | I know. TK suggested I submit the patch anyway just to try. If it's rejected then it's rejected and that's ok. |
| 18:06.55 | Samot | Or you end up with PFSense and PBXInAFlash. |
| 18:07.42 | Samot | Where every little use case has something pushed into the application because 0.01% of users _might_ use it. |
| 18:08.17 | life_of_e | The code is actually there, it's just effectively turned off |
| 18:08.23 | file | we allow a lot of stuff in, but it goes through code review, implications understood, etc |
| 18:08.40 | life_of_e | I really did not make many changes. |
| 18:08.49 | Samot | I'm not saying it wouldn't be accepted. |
| 18:09.16 | Samot | In this day and age though, it seems everyone expects their contributions to be just accepted. |
| 18:09.28 | Samot | Because FOSS and I did stuff ma! |
| 18:09.46 | life_of_e | Yeah, I know, and that results in feature creep, cruft, and all sorts of other nasties |
| 18:09.48 | Samot | Seems that life_of_e is even keeled about it so no worries. |
| 18:09.58 | file | Samot: I think I'd word it as "want to just provide a patch, but not do anything else" |
| 18:10.28 | file | which is fine, but as a project that's only half the equation |
| 18:10.30 | Samot | I'd word it as "I want my participation trophy" |
| 18:10.53 | Samot | Everything is T-Ball (pee-wee) rules these days. |
| 18:11.05 | Samot | Everyone gets to play, everyone wins! |
| 18:11.17 | file | life_of_e: not referring to you at all in this btw - just comments I've seen elsewhere and such |
| 18:11.35 | life_of_e | No worries. I also sucked at tee-ball so that's ok. ;) |
| 18:11.45 | file | lots of "it's too hard to contribute! make it easier!" which personally I don't want to go back to |
| 18:12.00 | Samot | Please don't. |
| 18:12.00 | file | I'm rather proud of how far we've come as a project and the stability that has occurred as a result |
| 18:12.16 | Samot | Yes. |
| 18:12.39 | Samot | You know how many times I have to hear "Dude, just use FreeSWITCH". |
| 18:12.44 | Samot | It's A LOT. |
| 18:12.45 | file | in particular for our stuff I won't trade stability just to make it easier to contribute - code reviews and tests have had a noticeable benefit |
| 18:13.52 | Samot | I always feel like I'm writing HTML or Coldfusion code when I worked in FreeSWITCH. |
| 18:14.06 | [TK]D-Fender | Who uses *'s "fake SLA"? SMDI? There's tons of stuff that has few use cases |
| 18:14.28 | Samot | I think that was file's point. |
| 18:14.32 | file | well |
| 18:14.46 | Samot | There is a lot _of old stuff_ before certain controls where put in place. |
| 18:14.50 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm betting there are more people who can't use a PC card + DAHDI in a server and have analog lines they'd like to use a cmall & cheap gateway for. |
| 18:15.00 | file | those have reasons |
| 18:15.18 | Samot | OK, anyone using a PBX for their business and has multiple POTS lines.. |
| 18:15.21 | Samot | It's using Call Waiting. |
| 18:15.25 | Samot | Let's just be clear on that. |
| 18:15.27 | file | I mean - reasons for being created |
| 18:15.30 | file | maybe not reasons for existing now |
| 18:15.52 | Samot | It's = Isn't. |
| 18:16.20 | Samot | If a business needs 4 lines they aren't getting 2 with Call Waiting. They're getting 4 POTS lines. |
| 18:16.28 | Samot | The CO will hunt them if needed. |
| 18:16.35 | [TK]D-Fender | True, normal business doesn't use or want "call waiting". |
| 18:16.53 | [TK]D-Fender | But * users are often small-fry home business that ARE cheap, and it's what they've got |
| 18:17.09 | [TK]D-Fender | Maybe they are geographically restricted in their options. |
| 18:17.17 | [TK]D-Fender | at least it's a real thing. |
| 18:17.23 | Samot | OK |
| 18:17.24 | Samot | And? |
| 18:17.35 | Samot | Again, what are the demographics? |
| 18:17.44 | [TK]D-Fender | This is a solution to a challenge many actually come in here for |
| 18:17.52 | [TK]D-Fender | I've seen a lot of them over the years |
| 18:18.01 | Samot | Is the goal just to add crap that 0.01% of users _might need_? |
| 18:18.16 | [TK]D-Fender | "How do I get the call-waiting caller?", and the only solution I could suggest was DAHDI. |
| 18:18.18 | Samot | Again, if you need that go download Ward's stuff. |
| 18:35.15 | [TK]D-Fender | "If it's not for real business forget it" isn't the only bar I see for this. |
| 18:38.17 | Samot | 2:03:13 PM <Samot> However, the need to pass a "Flash" from a SIP Phone to Asterisk to the FXO gateway to the CO to pickup Call Waiting is not a very common scenario. |
| 18:38.22 | Samot | Would you agree with that statement? |
| 18:40.21 | Samot | 2:35:17 PM <[TK]D-Fender> "If it's not for real business forget it" isn't the only bar I see for this. <-- It wasn't even the bar *I* was looking at. |
| 18:42.23 | [TK]D-Fender | call waiting isn't common? |
| 18:42.33 | [TK]D-Fender | How many people still have analog lines at home? tons. |
| 18:42.46 | Samot | That isn't what I said at all.. |
| 18:42.51 | [TK]D-Fender | And I've seen lots of people in here asking about how to deal with it |
| 18:42.56 | Samot | Read the statement again. |
| 18:43.02 | Samot | What is "lots"? |
| 18:43.08 | [TK]D-Fender | Not just PASS a flash |
| 18:43.12 | Samot | OK |
| 18:43.18 | [TK]D-Fender | the fact is * couldn't be triggered to signal it at all |
| 18:43.20 | Samot | This is pointless. |
| 18:43.41 | Samot | Again, not even looking at it in the same way. |
| 18:43.43 | [TK]D-Fender | You're pinning half of his scenario as the whole |
| 18:43.49 | Samot | No. |
| 18:43.53 | Samot | I'm not. |
| 18:44.03 | [TK]D-Fender | "no way to trigger that flash". I don't care where the dicison CAME from. |
| 18:44.11 | Samot | OK |
| 18:44.21 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't care if it's a dynamic feature |
| 18:44.28 | [TK]D-Fender | I don't care if it's an inbound SIP signal |
| 18:44.37 | [TK]D-Fender | the resulting ACTION is my point |
| 18:44.43 | Samot | You're not even on the same page with me. |
| 18:44.45 | [TK]D-Fender | and that part we had no solution for |
| 18:44.49 | [TK]D-Fender | Correct |
| 18:44.51 | Samot | You've totally missed what I was getting at. |
| 18:44.54 | Samot | So forget it. |
| 18:44.58 | [TK]D-Fender | You're obesed with the trigger and not the result |
| 18:45.02 | Samot | No. |
| 18:45.03 | Samot | JFC. |
| 18:45.06 | Samot | NOT AT ALL |
| 18:45.29 | [TK]D-Fender | Then describe it clearer |
| 18:45.58 | Samot | 2:06:56 PM <Samot> Or you end up with PFSense and PBXInAFlash. |
| 18:45.58 | Samot | 2:07:43 PM <Samot> Where every little use case has something pushed into the application because 0.01% of users _might_ use it. |
| 18:46.56 | [TK]D-Fender | And maybne your generalized % evaluation isn't valid |
| 18:47.06 | Samot | OK. |
| 18:47.09 | Samot | Perhaps it's not. |
| 18:47.18 | Samot | Perhaps you are completely correct and we'll leave it at that. |
| 18:47.25 | Samot | Someone needs to take your dead horse away. |
| 18:47.33 | Samot | You spend too much time kicking it. |
| 18:47.43 | [TK]D-Fender | And you piss on things you don't personally care about |
| 18:47.57 | Samot | Sure. If that's your take. |
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| 18:50.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Samot> 2:06:56 PM <Samot> Or you end up with PFSense and PBXInAFlash. <- your tendency to dismiss things using a slippery slope fallacy looks like suporting evidence |
| 18:50.58 | Samot | Just for the record here, at no point did I piss on what life_of_e did nor did I marginalize it. All I did was just prep him for it not being accepted into Asterisk _if_ he submits it. |
| 18:51.01 | Samot | That's it. |
| 18:51.43 | Samot | Right, I don't agree with a project or application shoving a bunch of BS in it when 100's of users whined about it and they have a 1M+ user base. |
| 18:52.04 | Samot | "Give us a bunch of useless stuff because we want it and it has to be free!" |
| 18:54.46 | Samot | Just like I didn't agree with FreePBX making updates to support wireless and make the PBX a DHCP server because, as it was said "lots of users asked for it" in the mean time "lots of users" where also asking for existing modules and features to be fixed of bugs or improved. Instead of that, resources where put into Wireless/DHCP which I'm sure you must be using the hell out of now. I mean it didn't exist before.... |
| 18:55.35 | Terrell | Samot, I see you're back. Looks like we had a channel split. I don't think I'll need asterisk right now and I have a lot of things that I'm working on... including rewireing the house... but many thanks for the clarifications. All looks pretty good. Is this the developer group? I thought it was a support group. #debian is support AFAIK |
| 18:58.05 | [TK]D-Fender | You say you don't marginalize it .. and then go on to call trying to get what he's done in "BS" and that they are "whiners". |
| 18:58.21 | Samot | I didn't say what HE'S done. |
| 18:58.26 | Samot | The conversation had shifted. |
| 18:58.32 | Samot | You've failed to follow the shit. |
| 18:58.42 | Samot | Nothing was related to what he had done at that point. |
| 18:58.55 | [TK]D-Fender | You mix your crap together |
| 18:59.03 | [TK]D-Fender | and looks like a cheap pawn-off |
| 18:59.05 | Samot | OK. |
| 18:59.09 | Samot | Whatever man. |
| 18:59.11 | Samot | Whatever. |
| 19:08.08 | drmessano | Samot: Stop always overgeneralizing everything, always |
| 19:09.36 | Samot | Sorry. |
| 19:11.31 | drmessano | life_of_e: I would STRONGLY suggest putting your patch on github and documenting it well. At least if it doesn't make it in, or takes a while, people can be using it for those edge cases RIGHT NOW. |
| 19:12.46 | life_of_e | That could be useful, too. |
| 19:12.47 | drmessano | I no longer deal with analog stuff, but that's a cool solution for those dealing with CW |
| 19:14.51 | life_of_e | Like I said earlier I know I'm a corner case. I'm using asterisk at home as just a fun project (because my father in law handed me three SPA942's he had laying around) and because I've managed to find several nice uses for it that enhance the limited features of my analog line |
| 19:15.14 | drmessano | life_of_e: Honestly I see a lot of small, but uniquely useful contributions that spend their whole life as github projects. If nothing else, you're getting it out there |
| 19:16.10 | Samot | ^^^ |
| 19:16.49 | life_of_e | So I guess I just post the diffs there? This is the very first time I' be going through any formal (or even informal) patch distribution process. Most of the edits I've done to programs have never gone out into the wild. |
| 19:16.50 | Samot | 2:02:36 PM <Samot> Don't get me wrong. You have a specific use case scenario you needed a specific fix for and you made Asterisk do it. That is not light at all. |
| 19:16.52 | Samot | 2:05:52 PM <Samot> So while what you've done is impressive (and kudos), I just don't know if it's a merge into Asterisk thing. |
| 19:17.13 | Samot | That was it. I don't think that is me taking a piss on anything. |
| 19:17.28 | Samot | I agree with drmessano, you can put it out there. The Cisco guy does. |
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| 19:17.38 | [TK]D-Fender | life_of_e, * has a tracker. just post what you have to share. Github is for things they either didn't try, or didn't make it if they did and still wanted to share |
| 19:17.41 | Samot | Look how long that thing has been around. |
| 19:18.01 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: That's literally bullshit |
| 19:18.48 | [TK]D-Fender | or whatever that contribution mechanism was if I've mis-conflated it |
| 19:19.13 | drmessano | When I look for a patch for something specific I very often find the Githuib source of the contribution as a starting point |
| 19:19.16 | [TK]D-Fender | but start through the normal submission channels |
| 19:19.44 | drmessano | sometimes for contributions that stayed in review for ages, or never made it |
| 19:19.48 | drmessano | For lots of projects |
| 19:19.49 | life_of_e | Ok |
| 19:20.49 | drmessano | life_of_e: I'm suggesting you submit it for review AND post it on Github. Because Github results always float to the top. You'll get a lot of traffic for it |
| 19:21.20 | [TK]D-Fender | If it gets merged... then nobody has to go looking for it |
| 19:21.20 | drmessano | I'm not suggesting, as [TK]D-Fender would like to imply, to put it out to pasture there, or that Github is where failed contributions go to die |
| 19:21.26 | drmessano | It's the exact opposite |
| 19:21.35 | life_of_e | No, I get it, it's an alternative avenue |
| 19:21.47 | life_of_e | To utilize in parallel with the official process |
| 19:21.57 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: I've never seen someone other than you piss all over someone for suggesting something get posted to Github |
| 19:22.04 | drmessano | You may be 10 or 15 years behind the times |
| 19:22.09 | [TK]D-Fender | * has a contribution process. If that can work then everything else is secondary. |
| 19:22.59 | [TK]D-Fender | When I want what he's made... will I be happy that * includes it now by default or should I always have to go looking for it outside? |
| 19:23.04 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: Not secondary.. He can also host any additions there as well, and post them to review later, if there are every any contributions |
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| 19:23.22 | [TK]D-Fender | having outside resources, great. Thinking that's where you have to start .. not so much. |
| 19:23.28 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: You simply don't get iut |
| 19:24.39 | drmessano | life_of_e: Forget what I said.. Nobody hosts anything on github ... |
| 19:24.46 | [TK]D-Fender | ... |
| 19:25.10 | [TK]D-Fender | drmessano> Samot: Stop always overgeneralizing everything, always |
| 19:25.18 | [TK]D-Fender | Pot, meet kettle |
| 19:27.26 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: Just trying to be more like the great contrarian. Maybe not everyone is stuck in 2007 doing things the way YOU want to do them. Github would be a great place to host this and get it out in the wild. If you don't like it, then you're free not to do it. I wasn't making a suggestion to HIM for HIS project, NOT YOU... So feel free to shut the fuck up. |
| 19:27.32 | Samot | [TK]D-Fender: You understand that if it's on Github then someone like myself or drmessano can contribute changes to it that life_of_e might not be able to do. THEN he can submit the updates or that to Asterisk for review. |
| 19:27.55 | Samot | Github can be the place where the thing is actually worked on and shared by those working on it so it can be submitted to Asterisk for review. |
| 19:28.08 | drmessano | Samot: Stop being so 2019 |
| 19:28.51 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender is perfectly capable of telling us what life_of_e can do with his own code without your help |
| 19:29.01 | Samot | Wait, isn't Asterisk and FreePBX on github for exactly that reason? |
| 19:29.23 | Samot | And if they're on github did they go there to die? |
| 19:29.26 | drmessano | Samot: Dude, stop.. Github is where failed code goes |
| 19:29.28 | Samot | I'm confused. |
| 19:30.26 | Samot | life_of_e: Forget github. Put it on bitbucket. |
| 19:30.31 | [TK]D-Fender | Samot> Is the goal just to add crap that 0.01% of users _might need_? <- doesn't matter I guess since nobody needs it, right? |
| 19:30.46 | [TK]D-Fender | So yeah .. whatever. |
| 19:31.16 | drmessano | [TK]D-Fender: Feel free to go ahead and rant endlessly about how correct you are and keep changing the argument into something something that fits some narrow point you've made. I'll be back later to review and diff it. |
| 19:31.51 | [TK]D-Fender | It already go changed around as Samot figured on ranting on user requests, and then hosting. |
| 19:31.55 | drmessano | Github is where code goes to die.. lol |
| 19:32.02 | [TK]D-Fender | Since there is no fixed topic or context your diff won't mean anything |
| 19:32.16 | [TK]D-Fender | And you'll just move the goalposts anyway |
| 19:32.26 | drmessano | HAHAH of course I will |
| 19:32.46 | Samot | [TK]D-Fender: So I have this project. I have limited bandwidth to make updates and changes. I have of list of things of things that need to be done. So how do I determine how that list is prioritized? |
| 19:33.15 | drmessano | 15:32:16 <[TK]D-Fender> And you'll just move the goalposts anyway <-- 100% the claim of someone with no argument so they can go back later and argue their point never had a chance |
| 19:33.18 | drmessano | Pathetic. |
| 19:33.21 | Samot | By what is more important? Well what is considered more important? The item that 80% is needed or the item that is 0.01% needed? |
| 19:33.22 | drmessano | I'm out.. |
| 19:33.30 | Samot | Which one should I spend my resources on for that project? |
| 19:33.31 | [TK]D-Fender | You've already determined FeePBX adding a DHCP server on the distro was wrong because there were other things you wanted... |
| 19:33.36 | [TK]D-Fender | So yeah, it's all about you... |
| 19:33.39 | [TK]D-Fender | Whatever |
| 19:33.44 | Samot | I said "lots of users" |
| 19:33.45 | Samot | JFC |
| 19:34.04 | Samot | I now spend more time supporting FreePBX than using it. |
| 19:34.07 | [TK]D-Fender | YLots of users wanted something yuo didn't care about and you mention other stuff you do. |
| 19:34.09 | Samot | Just for the record. |
| 19:34.12 | [TK]D-Fender | Obviously forget them.... |
| 19:34.27 | Samot | You have totally missed the point. |
| 19:35.07 | Samot | 3:32:47 PM <Samot> [TK]D-Fender: So I have this project. I have limited bandwidth to make updates and changes. I have of list of things of things that need to be done. So how do I determine how that list is prioritized? |
| 19:35.16 | Samot | 3:33:22 PM <Samot> By what is more important? Well what is considered more important? The item that 80% is needed or the item that is 0.01% needed? |
| 19:35.17 | drmessano | Samot: He's gonna keep digging up anything you've said for the last few hours so he can be correct about some narrow, meaningless point that no one was trying to make. Go get some Sun. I'm headed out to do the same |
| 19:35.43 | Samot | That would require sun to be out too |
| 19:35.53 | drmessano | Literally these are 2007 era arguments.. |
| 19:36.13 | drmessano | Github is where code goes to die, bro |
| 19:36.19 | drmessano | Ok, shower time |
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| 19:44.25 | life_of_e | Alright, it's up on Github for now while I figure out packaging things up for the official submission. I would appreciate anyone looking over it to see if how I set up github makes sense (never used it as a contributor) |
| 19:44.27 | life_of_e | https://github.com/life-of-e/asterisk_sip_hook_flash |
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| 19:46.39 | drmessano | life_of_e: i'd change the extension on app.c to app.c.diff just so it's obvious that it's a diff. Otherwise, bravo |
| 19:46.59 | life_of_e | Oops, dummy me. I did that to res_rtp_asterisk.c.diff and forgot the other |
| 19:47.08 | life_of_e | Writing a readme, will fix momentarily |
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| 19:56.50 | life_of_e | Ok, fixed the extension and added a readme.md at the front to explain what's going on with required configurations. |
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| 20:34.33 | life_of_e | Contributor agreement sent so now I wait on that |
| 20:34.58 | rwb | I would like to manage changing up extensions_custom.conf dynamically with a python script. Right now I'm manually editing that file, and reloading with `fwconsole reload` Any ideas? Or anybody have examples using the API? |
| 20:35.27 | [TK]D-Fender | asterisk -rx "dialplan reload" |
| 20:35.43 | [TK]D-Fender | or use AMi to issue the call |
| 20:36.05 | [TK]D-Fender | There is nothing specifically to do with FreePBX required for this |
| 20:50.42 | rwb | Thanks! |
| 20:51.02 | [TK]D-Fender | You're welcome |
| 20:52.24 | rwb | I was thinking of trying to use the API, but since this is a simple switch on the localhost, I'll just make a python script to switch out the conf file and reload... Thanks again. |
| 20:53.17 | [TK]D-Fender | If you can issue the call to asterisk's binary then that is perfectly viable. AMI is another mechanism for signalling it. |
| 20:53.50 | [TK]D-Fender | fwconsole does a lot more than what you specified you need and adds an extra layer |
| 22:28.55 | life_of_e | Oh interesting, someone originally submitted the same edits under issue ASTERISK-17372 |
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| 22:32.02 | life_of_e | Sent in February 2011 and still open. The ticket claims it was updated December 2017 |
| 22:32.59 | life_of_e | In their case it was to flash a Grandstream GXW4104 4-line FXO module |
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| 22:47.23 | drmessano | Strangely enough, I guess it indeed was a good idea to put the code up on Github ð¤ªð¤ªð¤ªð¤ªð¤ªð¤ª |
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| 23:01.19 | life_of_e | Maybe so. Is there a way to request further review of an open item? That particular one is not yet assigned. |
| 23:02.28 | Samot | Well the fact it hasnt gotten traction since 2011 should say something. |
| 23:03.34 | file | if an issue is in an open state it's in queue, but unless someone picks it up and takes it through code review themselves - it's unlikely to get looked at |
| 23:03.48 | Samot | Woo hoo Shazam! time. |
| 23:04.13 | Samot | Sneak preview. |
| 23:04.28 | life_of_e | I suppose so. No sense submitting a duplicate. |
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| 23:04.57 | markster | greetings :) |
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