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| 00:26.12 | Katty | bloop |
| 00:29.56 | wyoung | hi Katty! |
| 00:30.16 | Katty | waves to wyoung |
| 00:30.22 | wyoung | What's the latest? |
| 00:33.52 | Katty | thinks |
| 00:34.00 | Katty | well the latest BIG news is i got engaged |
| 00:34.05 | Katty | what's new with you? |
| 00:44.17 | wyoung | yay! congrats! |
| 00:44.26 | wyoung | I have a new born on theway |
| 01:19.20 | Katty | wyoung: CONGRATS! |
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| 01:19.47 | linux_user | Is there an Asterisk version that has been GUI-ized and such and is basically a turnkey type of installation (initially). I realize after time I'd want to customize and such, but just to get started, you know? |
| 01:19.59 | linux_user | I am not so happy with FreePBX |
| 01:20.58 | linux_user | Frankly its whole registration (even if free) scenario puts me off |
| 01:25.48 | Samot | That's the only thing? |
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| 02:13.44 | linux_user | can anyone recommend a webpage or document that tells me about the different asterisk distributions? |
| 02:30.42 | Samot | linux_user: There are no Asterisk Distros. There is just Asterisk. |
| 02:31.08 | linux_user | Oh, what is AsteriskNow then? |
| 02:31.15 | Samot | linux_user: There are those that use Asterisk as their core telephony engine and there are those that make RPM builds. |
| 02:31.33 | Samot | It's something that is old and was turned over to Sangoma before the merger. |
| 02:31.53 | linux_user | Who? what merger? what are you talking about? ENGLISH PLEASE! |
| 02:32.07 | Samot | Sangoma bought Digium, in 2018. |
| 02:32.10 | Samot | It's been a year. |
| 02:32.45 | linux_user | ok |
| 02:32.59 | Samot | So basically the same people in charge of Asterisk are in charge of FreePBX now. |
| 02:33.38 | linux_user | I downloaded FreePBX but it requires some registration process, that made me a bit nervous if its open source software. |
| 02:33.58 | Samot | Why? Registering isn't a new thing for OSS/Shareware |
| 02:34.02 | linux_user | Can you say Ubuntu? |
| 02:34.36 | linux_user | At any rate, I am disinterested in providing marketing fodder to people. I will not register, so I am asking what other choices (distributions) are there? |
| 02:34.51 | Samot | In OSS? Almost none. |
| 02:34.57 | Samot | Trixbox died. |
| 02:35.07 | Samot | Elastix sold to 3CX |
| 02:35.34 | linux_user | ok |
| 02:35.35 | Samot | It's basically FreePBX, IncrediblePBX (which is hobbyist driven) and that's really about it. |
| 02:35.50 | Samot | Perhaps IssabellaPBX. |
| 02:36.09 | linux_user | If I install asterisk from source, build it, etc... does it have some sort of web management / configuration guidance? |
| 02:36.14 | linux_user | GUI not guidance |
| 02:36.16 | Samot | No. |
| 02:36.17 | linux_user | damn autocorrect |
| 02:36.29 | linux_user | is there an open source GUI for asterisk? |
| 02:36.37 | Samot | Asterisk is a toolkit. |
| 02:36.42 | Samot | I just gave you the options. |
| 02:37.13 | linux_user | oh, I thought it was a full phone PBX system, so a toolkit like an SDK? |
| 02:37.29 | Samot | You can use it as a PBX, it has the features |
| 02:37.37 | Samot | But you can use it for a voicemail server |
| 02:37.47 | Samot | a call server |
| 02:37.50 | linux_user | but it won't work in any particular way out of the box you mean? |
| 02:37.51 | Samot | conference |
| 02:38.02 | linux_user | you need to do lots of work to get it do something then |
| 02:38.04 | linux_user | I get it |
| 02:38.05 | Samot | No, you have to configure/program Asterisk to do what you want. |
| 02:38.31 | linux_user | so there is no default mode that it comes configured for? |
| 02:38.36 | Samot | Nope. |
| 02:38.48 | Samot | I'm not sure what default mode there would be. |
| 02:38.51 | linux_user | but these distributions they have some that though, yes? |
| 02:39.42 | linux_user | so if it is a PBX, then, PBXes take calls, get extensions, have a voice mail, none of that is included or at all configured out of the box? |
| 02:39.48 | linux_user | you have to write software to do all that? |
| 02:39.56 | Samot | What software? |
| 02:39.58 | linux_user | or use an Asterisk distribution? |
| 02:40.05 | linux_user | you had you had to program it |
| 02:40.08 | Samot | You had to create configuration files. |
| 02:40.10 | linux_user | you said you had to program it |
| 02:40.24 | Samot | You have to create configuration files. |
| 02:40.28 | Samot | You have to write dialplan |
| 02:40.32 | linux_user | ok, so if it has no default configuration files then there are no examples come with it? |
| 02:40.33 | Samot | Or AGI |
| 02:40.37 | Samot | Or anything you want to use. |
| 02:40.43 | Samot | There are plenty of examples. |
| 02:41.00 | linux_user | so what is its default mode then? |
| 02:41.01 | Samot | There's an entire samples directory in the source. |
| 02:41.09 | Samot | You install Asterisk. |
| 02:41.20 | Samot | Until you tell it what to do, that's all you have. |
| 02:41.35 | Samot | Are you using FXO/FXS hardware? |
| 02:41.40 | Samot | Are you using GSM? |
| 02:41.42 | Samot | SIP? |
| 02:41.42 | linux_user | no, VOIP phones |
| 02:41.45 | linux_user | CISCO SIP |
| 02:41.53 | Samot | Oh even better. |
| 02:42.26 | linux_user | CISCO phones, not a CISCO SIP server or whatever, just have Cisco phones that I want to make work with asterisk |
| 02:42.44 | Samot | Yeah but Cisco Enterprise phones are made for the CUCM |
| 02:42.56 | linux_user | what is CUCM? |
| 02:43.00 | linux_user | these are SIP phones |
| 02:43.07 | linux_user | the ones I have are SIP phones |
| 02:43.10 | Samot | When you flash them to SIP and don't use the CUCM numerous features are unavailable on the phones. |
| 02:43.17 | Samot | Cisco Unified Call Manager. |
| 02:43.23 | Samot | Cisco's PBX system. |
| 02:43.30 | linux_user | no, they are SIP phones |
| 02:43.37 | Samot | 89XX? |
| 02:43.40 | Samot | 79XX? |
| 02:43.43 | linux_user | 79xx |
| 02:43.48 | Samot | Those are flashed for SIP |
| 02:43.55 | linux_user | yes |
| 02:43.55 | Samot | But they are still designed to use Cisco stuff |
| 02:44.02 | linux_user | so they won't work? |
| 02:44.06 | Samot | So yes, certain features on the phone won't work. |
| 02:44.11 | linux_user | like what? |
| 02:44.14 | Samot | plus you need a provisioning system for them. |
| 02:44.29 | Samot | BLF, three way calls, conf call features on the phone |
| 02:44.40 | Samot | They don't have web GUIs either |
| 02:44.50 | Samot | So you need to setup config files and have them pull them. |
| 02:44.59 | Samot | You'll need a tftp or ftp server. |
| 02:45.00 | linux_user | that's interesting cause one guy said his whole house had cisco phones on asterisk |
| 02:45.06 | linux_user | how did he get them to work then if they are so bad? |
| 02:45.06 | Samot | So? |
| 02:45.16 | Samot | Basic functions work. |
| 02:45.19 | linux_user | I have a TFTP server and an FTP server. |
| 02:45.19 | Samot | You can register |
| 02:45.27 | Samot | You can make calls, get calls |
| 02:45.47 | linux_user | but you can't make a 3-way call? |
| 02:45.50 | Samot | You can't join calls for 3way/NWay calling |
| 02:45.55 | Samot | Not from the phone. |
| 02:46.07 | Samot | Because Cicso does things their own way |
| 02:46.17 | Samot | They expect the PBX to be theirs. |
| 02:46.27 | Samot | Since that is what these phones were made for. |
| 02:46.40 | Samot | This aren't general SIP phones for any system. |
| 02:46.45 | linux_user | ah ok |
| 02:46.47 | Samot | They can work with other systems but that's not why Cisco has them. |
| 02:46.52 | linux_user | right |
| 02:47.11 | linux_user | but they can be a phone I transfer a VOIP call to on Asterisk yes? |
| 02:47.24 | Samot | I think so. |
| 02:47.30 | Samot | I haven't used those phones in 10 years. |
| 02:47.34 | linux_user | ok |
| 02:47.54 | linux_user | so none of these Asterisk distributions have a GUI to configure them? |
| 02:48.06 | Samot | What Asterisk distributions? |
| 02:48.16 | Samot | There are no official Asterisk distributions. |
| 02:48.27 | Samot | anything that is done for an OS is third party. |
| 02:48.45 | Samot | Any RPM/packaged version of Asterisk is third party. |
| 02:48.53 | Samot | Asterisk only releases source code. |
| 02:48.56 | linux_user | Well there is FreePBX or AsteriskNow or whatever, that is just not true |
| 02:49.10 | linux_user | you boot it up and its all about installing asterisk |
| 02:49.12 | Samot | Those are distros that _use_ Asterisk. |
| 02:49.15 | linux_user | it sure is an asterisk distribution |
| 02:49.16 | linux_user | no |
| 02:49.22 | linux_user | it installs and stuff |
| 02:49.24 | linux_user | I sw a demo |
| 02:49.26 | linux_user | saw |
| 02:49.33 | Samot | I know exactly what they do. |
| 02:49.49 | Samot | FreePBX made a distro that includes Asterisk in it. |
| 02:49.54 | Samot | Along with numerous other things. |
| 02:49.56 | linux_user | so you are saying FreePBX is a linux distribution I have to install it on? I know that is wrong. |
| 02:50.06 | Samot | FreePBX has a full OS based distro. |
| 02:50.21 | Samot | Otherwise you're installing Asterisk and FreePBX as individual items. |
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| 02:50.33 | linux_user | Yes, it is an Asterisk distribution, you boot it up and its about setting up an Asterisk environment, I saw it man, you are wrong dude. |
| 02:50.57 | linux_user | I saw FreePBX installed |
| 02:51.07 | linux_user | its an Asterisk distribution dude, it is not just a Linux distro |
| 02:51.09 | Samot | Dude, I've help test FreePBX isntalls. |
| 02:51.15 | Samot | No. |
| 02:51.19 | linux_user | well you must have tested other ones |
| 02:51.21 | linux_user | I saw this |
| 02:51.27 | Samot | You either install the FreePBX Distro which is a RHEL7.5 based OS |
| 02:51.32 | [TK]D-Fender | "Asterisk distribution" doesn't mean anything |
| 02:51.35 | linux_user | you boot it up and it doesn't ask you about install Linux its about installing asterisk man |
| 02:51.36 | [TK]D-Fender | it isn't an OS |
| 02:51.39 | Samot | Or you install the FreePBX files manually. |
| 02:51.52 | [TK]D-Fender | That's like saying I have a Sony car .... because that's the brand of the RADIO in it |
| 02:51.53 | Samot | Asterisk isn't an OS |
| 02:52.05 | Samot | It can be installed on any Linux OS |
| 02:52.13 | linux_user | no one said it was an OS |
| 02:52.25 | Samot | FreePBX Distro = FULL OS |
| 02:52.27 | linux_user | where did you get that dumb idea from? |
| 02:52.27 | linux_user | I said it was an Asterisk distribution |
| 02:52.29 | [TK]D-Fender | What does the word "distribution" mean to you? |
| 02:52.36 | [TK]D-Fender | Because that's a loaded term in these communities |
| 02:53.01 | [TK]D-Fender | Distribution. Distro. A complete packaged OS. |
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| 02:53.11 | linux_user | it is a Linux OS that is configured for a specific purpose, that purpose maybe general like say SLES Server, or it maybe something specific like oVirt Node or that |
| 02:53.22 | linux_user | they are distributions |
| 02:53.30 | Samot | Those are third party |
| 02:53.37 | linux_user | who cares who makes them |
| 02:53.39 | Samot | Again, Asterisk is only released as source code. |
| 02:53.39 | [TK]D-Fender | FreePBX is based off CentOS. |
| 02:53.42 | linux_user | all Linux is 3rd party |
| 02:53.45 | [TK]D-Fender | for their ISO |
| 02:53.51 | [TK]D-Fender | Same with AsteriskNOW |
| 02:53.52 | Samot | Those distro are not tracked here. |
| 02:54.00 | linux_user | right sure, and Ubuntu is based off of Debian but its a distro man |
| 02:54.05 | [TK]D-Fender | So ...what's the point here exactly? |
| 02:54.32 | Samot | He wants an Asterisk Distro with a GUI that's not FreePBX because they want you to register when downloading. |
| 02:54.40 | Samot | And he's no ones market fodder. |
| 02:55.05 | linux_user | I did not like having to register to get updates |
| 02:55.05 | linux_user | so I ask about other distros |
| 02:55.05 | [TK]D-Fender | I'm not sure what's even left on the market as GUI's go..... |
| 02:55.06 | Samot | You don't have to register to get updates |
| 02:55.06 | linux_user | what's the big deal man? |
| 02:55.16 | Samot | FreePBX doesn't require that. |
| 02:55.29 | Samot | You don't even need to do the "Activation" |
| 02:55.38 | [TK]D-Fender | it ASKED about it! |
| 02:55.42 | [TK]D-Fender | HOW DARE YOU! |
| 02:55.47 | linux_user | Activation was required (when a friend did it) to get updates |
| 02:55.48 | Samot | That's only if you want commercial modules or paid support. |
| 02:55.54 | Samot | That's only if you want commercial modules or paid support. |
| 02:56.01 | linux_user | no we could not update it |
| 02:56.11 | Samot | Then that's something else. |
| 02:56.13 | linux_user | it said it wasn't activated and you couldn't update |
| 02:56.20 | linux_user | FreePBX 15 I think it was |
| 02:56.45 | Samot | FreePBX, iteslf, it OSS |
| 02:56.57 | Samot | Nothing stops you from getting updates of OSS modules |
| 02:57.05 | linux_user | anyway, I was asking what alternatives to FreePBX there is |
| 02:57.11 | Samot | I told you. |
| 02:57.15 | Samot | The list is short. |
| 02:57.44 | [TK]D-Fender | I thought most of the forks basically died off... |
| 02:57.53 | Samot | They did. |
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| 02:58.05 | Samot | There's basically IncrediblePBX |
| 02:58.11 | Samot | And Issabella |
| 02:59.49 | [TK]D-Fender | IncrediblePBX seems pretty stunted. Their site (C) is 2016 and the latest they list is * 13 |
| 03:00.04 | Samot | No they have 16 -15 |
| 03:00.16 | Samot | Asterisk v16 + FreePBX v15 |
| 03:00.24 | [TK]D-Fender | Their main page is misleading then |
| 03:00.32 | [TK]D-Fender | oh well |
| 03:00.43 | Samot | Issabella is the only non-FreePBX fork that is OSS right now that has any real traction. |
| 03:00.46 | Samot | It's Ward. |
| 03:00.55 | Samot | It's a hobbyist PBX |
| 03:01.39 | linux_user | ok |
| 03:01.45 | linux_user | Ward? |
| 03:02.10 | Samot | The guy who maintains IncrediblePBX |
| 03:02.54 | linux_user | IsaabellaPBX you mean? |
| 03:02.59 | Samot | No. |
| 03:03.41 | Samot | 9:35:36 PM <Samot> It's basically FreePBX, IncrediblePBX (which is hobbyist driven) and that's really about it. |
| 03:03.42 | Samot | 9:35:52 PM <Samot> Perhaps IssabellaPBX. |
| 03:04.00 | Samot | Issabella isn't a fork of FreePBX. |
| 03:04.10 | Samot | IncrediblePBX is a fork of FreePBX. |
| 03:04.27 | Samot | Which means it's FreePBX + extra stuff |
| 03:08.14 | linux_user | oh ok |
| 03:08.27 | linux_user | So it seems like IncrediblePBX might be the best one to start with |
| 03:11.27 | Samot | Be forewarned. Ward is the king of marketing everything that can get him a referral/commission bonus. |
| 03:12.18 | Samot | He had beverage dispensers (tea/coffee pots, water coolers) in his shopping/deals section before. |
| 03:12.37 | Samot | He push Cloud@Cost like there was no tomorrow. |
| 03:12.48 | Samot | pushed* |
| 03:13.32 | Samot | At least Sangoma will only market FreePBX/Sangoma stuff. |
| 03:13.50 | Samot | They won't tell you to get servers for $25/lifetime and act now with this code. |
| 03:15.11 | linux_user | seems the ISO I found is from 2015 |
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| 06:57.04 | wyoung | linux_user: Who are you talking to? |
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| 12:22.53 | linux_user | wyoung: I was trying to get help with Asterisk and find out what GUI interfaces there are |
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| 13:20.24 | sibiria | linux_user: there's really only one solid choice, and that's freepbx |
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| 14:15.23 | linux_user | ok |
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| 18:10.13 | linux_user | I was watching some videos on setting up FreePBX, it is supposed to have an endpoint manager in it, no? |
| 18:10.22 | linux_user | I cannot find the menu option for it |
| 18:11.51 | Samot | Did you actually install FreePBX? |
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| 18:13.14 | Reinhilde | linux_user: ask in #freepbx |
| 18:13.28 | martin__ | Hey, does anyone know what INVALID means for a device state? My sip devices all return INVALID even though they are available. |
| 18:13.32 | martin__ | curl -X GET http://localhost:8088/ari/deviceStates/john.doe -u username:password => {âname":"john.doe","state":"INVALID"} |
| 18:14.38 | [TK]D-Fender | martin__, Show us this is actually a valid device name |
| 18:14.58 | linux_user | fair enough |
| 18:15.11 | linux_user | there have been some people familiar with freepbx here too |
| 18:15.17 | martin__ | sip show peers return: Name/Username = john.doe/john.doe |
| 18:15.22 | linux_user | you may not be, but there have been other I spoke to yesterday that were |
| 18:15.34 | Samot | 1:11:52 PM <Samot> Did you actually install FreePBX? |
| 18:15.56 | Samot | Or did you install something else, like IncrediblePBX? |
| 18:16.00 | linux_user | I did later yesterday to try it |
| 18:16.07 | Reinhilde | Did which? |
| 18:16.12 | linux_user | installed FreePBX |
| 18:16.17 | linux_user | granted I will try the others too |
| 18:16.20 | Samot | Did you install if via the Distro? |
| 18:16.28 | Samot | Or did you do a manual install? |
| 18:17.14 | martin__ | [TK]D-Fender: https://pastebin.com/raw/yMCwTEQg |
| 18:17.51 | [TK]D-Fender | john.doe is not a device name |
| 18:18.04 | [TK]D-Fender | SIP/john.doe <---------------- |
| 18:18.09 | linux_user | yes, via the Distro |
| 18:18.10 | [TK]D-Fender | that requires a TECH |
| 18:19.02 | martin__ | How would I escape it then in the URL? curl -X GET http://localhost:8088/ari/deviceStates/SIP/john.doe |
| 18:19.08 | martin__ | this will return Resource Not Found |
| 18:19.12 | Samot | linux_user: #freepbx for this |
| 18:19.29 | [TK]D-Fender | martin__, no idea for that method |
| 18:20.13 | martin__ | ... => ari/deviceStates/SIP%2Fjohn.doe |
| 18:20.20 | [TK]D-Fender | martin__, the device name also has nothing to do with a username field in a peer. the peer name is the device name. |
| 18:24.18 | martin__ | Yeah, sure. Thanks for clearing that |
| 18:24.53 | martin__ | I have a follow up question on this, how would one retrieve whatever an agent is paused or not? As per available in queue show for an exampke |
| 18:26.33 | sibiria | a lua or perl AGI script parsing the relevant output |
| 18:27.41 | martin__ | am thinking I need to use the queue status AMI for this |
| 18:28.21 | [TK]D-Fender | martin__, That's what I do, parsing it all out manually |
| 18:29.34 | martin__ | Yeah, no problemo |
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| 18:47.42 | Reinhilde | [TK]D-Fender: is %2f a slash? |
| 18:53.25 | sibiria | 2f (47) is a forward slash in ascii, yes |
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| 23:32.04 | rue_mohr | heya, I'm having problems trying to compile the dahdi-linux for a 32 bit system, gcc is messing up the math and I get ERROR: "__divdi3" [/usr/src/dahdi-linux/drivers/dahdi/xpp/xpp_usb.ko] undefined! |
| 23:32.20 | rue_mohr | is this a known issue yet? |
| 23:35.58 | rue_mohr | under debian |
| 23:36.47 | rue_mohr | I build a newer, updated kernel, but make install didn't append the new kernel to the grub boot list, it replaced the old kernel, and cause I made a config error, I'm gonna be reinstalling themachine all over again |
| 23:36.57 | rue_mohr | I'd like to know if I should just go with a 64 bit install |
| 23:37.36 | rue_mohr | some kinda answer would be awesome cause I been working on this for 12 days now |
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| 23:47.02 | Samot | The answer is 64bit |
| 23:47.12 | Samot | Because why would you still be on 32bit |
| 23:59.20 | Helenah1 | Hi |