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| 18:43.42 | drmessano | lol |
| 18:45.07 | drmessano | Anyone have any experience with the Grandstream DECT phones? Good? Bad? Thinking about pulling the trigger on a few |
| 18:46.03 | drmessano | Im looking at the DP750 base and DP720 handsets |
| 18:47.34 | igcewieling | Grandstream? I recommend the trigger being pulled be from Glock. 8-| |
| 18:48.02 | igcewieling | drmessano: have you looked at vTech? |
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| 18:49.52 | drmessano | I've looked at them. Amazon reviews seem to be ok. Pricing is about double the Grandstreams though, and I don't know that I need that much of an investment for home use |
| 18:50.19 | drmessano | Trying to go above ATA+Analog DECT but not quite $80 a handset level |
| 18:52.47 | drmessano | I don't want to self-sabotage and go too cheap either |
| 18:54.26 | igcewieling | The VSP600 ? |
| 18:56.11 | drmessano | 600 is only single line. So not any better than the ATA+Walmart phone I have now. I do have some basic call routing at home that I want to keep |
| 18:57.37 | igcewieling | Ah, yes, the vtech is more of an end user phone |
| 18:57.55 | drmessano | They do have that 4-Line |
| 18:58.09 | drmessano | and I did research the VTECH after you mentioned them |
| 18:58.19 | drmessano | I didn't know they even had SIP DECT stuff before that |
| 18:59.00 | drmessano | It's nice. I just can't get it at my price point. Im sticky on the price point because if I can't get to that point with something, it isn't worth doing at all |
| 19:00.00 | Samot | Yeah vtech is $$$ |
| 19:00.04 | drmessano | Right now I have ATA+Analog DECT in one room, a dead Linksys SPA in another, and I wanted to just throw up something SIP+DECT, a couple cheap handsets, and have something for 911 backup and the rare incoming call |
| 19:01.13 | drmessano | Grandsuck would just about fit it, but i've seen a few negative reviews about audio quality, which was their issue 15 years ago |
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| 19:02.56 | drmessano | and, you know, I don't want to spend a Zombieriffic amount of time on it |
| 19:03.18 | drmessano | or do like that other guy and ask every 3 days "wats gud fon Dect?' |
| 19:05.11 | Samot | Yeah, can't help you much on that side. Anything DECT I do now is for hotels so you know $500 a pop usually |
| 19:05.49 | igcewieling | drmessano: Most of us are phychologically and physically unable to spend even one Kilo-Zombie hours on a problem. |
| 19:05.50 | Samot | Because EnGenius has some good stuff too. Just pricey |
| 19:06.08 | drmessano | Hmmmm |
| 19:06.16 | drmessano | KZH could be a new unit of measure |
| 19:07.06 | drmessano | 1 Normal hour = 1000 Zombie Hours |
| 19:07.25 | drmessano | Thats backwards |
| 19:07.34 | drmessano | No |
| 19:08.03 | Samot | drmessano: yeah but at least it's not Deano59 |
| 19:08.11 | Zombie | ... |
| 19:08.12 | drmessano | Stay on-topic plz |
| 19:08.16 | igcewieling | 1000 hours = 1 ZH, 1000 ZH = 1 KZH ? |
| 19:08.35 | Zombie | I Completed my Asterisk Project Successfully. |
| 19:08.47 | drmessano | In 1 KHZ |
| 19:08.49 | igcewieling | goes off to do something productive. |
| 19:08.51 | drmessano | KZH |
| 19:09.03 | Zombie | I'm looking to see what XMPP Integration I can do. |
| 19:09.12 | drmessano | Nothing |
| 19:09.18 | Samot | Well "I" is subjective |
| 19:10.14 | drmessano | Ouch |
| 19:14.16 | Samot | I think I put in some hours on this whole project. |
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| 19:22.05 | Zombie | You did,. |
| 19:22.12 | Zombie | You get credit for that. |
| 19:22.29 | Zombie | I could not have done this without you. |
| 19:52.25 | Samot | drmessano: Check this out. And fully operational |
| 19:52.43 | Samot | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/p0dowobQ/20200808_165347.jpg |
| 19:53.26 | Samot | They are all over out here |
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| 19:58.16 | igcewieling | "Bell" eh? |
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| 20:02.42 | Samot | Yup. |
| 20:03.24 | Samot | They are pretty much the only one with the most coverage. |
| 20:49.40 | igcewieling | In case anyone is interested in Adtran NetVanta model comparisons: https://portal.adtran.com/web/contentTemplatePage/3089 and |
| 20:56.24 | igcewieling | Does anyone have any ideas on why "pjsip show channelstats" shows a channel with 165 percent loss? |
| 20:58.51 | igcewieling | https://pastebin.com/sKWqagFa |
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| 21:38.01 | Zombie | Can I ask some subjective questions? |
| 21:38.49 | Zombie | Is there a HylaFax Frontend I can use to make this an easier task, and. |
| 21:39.10 | Zombie | I want to make using the Fax stuff easier on my users. |
| 21:39.22 | Samot | HylaFax should have a desktop client. |
| 21:39.24 | Samot | Wait... |
| 21:39.27 | Samot | What users? |
| 21:39.43 | Zombie | I have a few users, mostly family members. |
| 21:39.54 | Zombie | A few non-family users. |
| 21:40.04 | Samot | Oh FFS. |
| 21:40.20 | Zombie | Separated into Groups in my Active Directory Domain. |
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| 21:41.24 | Samot | Then you probably should have looked at an actual GUI based PBX system. Kinda like you were told in the beginning. |
| 21:41.47 | Samot | 1) It would have made this 100% easier and faster. 2) It would have exactly what you wanted. User interfaces. |
| 21:42.21 | Samot | Then again, you presented this as a "I trashed my POTS lines. Going SIP at home with Faxing." |
| 21:42.29 | Samot | Not "I'm running a service for family and friends" |
| 21:42.49 | Zombie | I didn't trash my POTS lines. |
| 21:43.02 | Zombie | I moved where there were no POTS lines. |
| 21:43.14 | Samot | Whatever, it was presented as a home solution. |
| 21:43.25 | Zombie | It is. |
| 21:43.29 | Samot | No |
| 21:43.46 | Samot | You are literally providing people phone services. |
| 21:43.54 | Samot | They are extensions of YOUR PBX. |
| 21:44.11 | Zombie | That is right. |
| 21:44.11 | Samot | Do they all have their own registered 911 locations for their residences? |
| 21:44.27 | Samot | Your PBX is allowing them to dial 911? |
| 21:44.35 | Zombie | Some of them who live here and yes it is. |
| 21:44.35 | Samot | With their own DID and location? |
| 21:44.47 | Samot | And those that don't? |
| 21:44.57 | Zombie | The SIP Provider helped ... |
| 21:45.13 | Zombie | They live in other places and are not local to my premesis. |
| 21:45.22 | Samot | That doesn't matter. |
| 21:45.41 | Samot | You must provide them the ability to dial 911 and have 911 get THEIR address when they do. |
| 21:45.45 | Zombie | Hold on, and I will word this better. |
| 21:52.10 | Zombie | Only one other person actually has access to the SIP facility here: My female partner. |
| 21:52.51 | Zombie | Everyone else in my circle of cohorts, friends, and Allies, live elsewhere. Have their own Phones etc. |
| 21:53.49 | Zombie | Friends and family can use VPN Services, OwnCloud, or XMPP, or eGroupware services I also offer. |
| 21:54.40 | Zombie | However Faxing is considered a Botique Service now, |
| 22:13.51 | drmessano | omg |
| 22:14.33 | igcewieling | not zomg ? 8-| |
| 22:14.42 | drmessano | Youre right |
| 22:14.45 | drmessano | I just woke up |
| 22:14.57 | drmessano | Should have been ZOMGJFC |
| 22:15.57 | drmessano | Zombie: So these months of work was to add telephony services and fax to your little hosted homelab googlefuck? |
| 22:16.30 | drmessano | Please don't offer services to other people. If I am dying of a heart attack and you walk by, please don't even offer me CPR |
| 22:17.17 | Zombie | googlefuck? What does that mean? |
| 22:18.06 | Zombie | I told you before, I work for a Hospital in their IT Department. |
| 22:18.20 | drmessano | You got your own little "I can do it better" hosted homelab googlefuck |
| 22:18.32 | drmessano | You told us that, yes |
| 22:18.54 | drmessano | and we've all witnessed the effort to get just basic asterisk and fax working |
| 22:19.00 | igcewieling | Zombie: in which state? |
| 22:19.12 | drmessano | igcewieling: Trying to not to get sick or die there? |
| 22:19.18 | igcewieling | drmessano: damn right! |
| 22:19.23 | drmessano | ZING |
| 22:19.51 | Zombie | The inspiration for this project was due to the fact that, I moved, and where I moved there was no Telco Presence in an Analogue Capacity. |
| 22:20.08 | Zombie | The Options were a Cable ISP, and a Fibre ISP |
| 22:20.20 | drmessano | Friends and family can use VPN Services, OwnCloud, or XMPP, or eGroupware services I also offer. <-- They could also just get a GMail account |
| 22:24.22 | igcewieling | The only thing I still use my own server for is e-mail and that is mainly because I use a unique e-mail address for every online account and don't want to replicate that using a hosted e-mail service. |
| 22:25.04 | igcewieling | I get like 2 spams per year and I don't even use spamfiltering. |
| 22:25.42 | drmessano | I have a Windows box at home that runs a Weather app, my Linux server is basically Minecraft and home automation, then a few VPS to support my home network customers |
| 22:25.47 | drmessano | and a PBX |
| 22:27.13 | igcewieling | I use Vitelity for my person number. My "other PBXs" is 4 plain Asterisk boxes, 2 PBXware boxes, 50+ FreePBX boxes, and a handful of FreePBX VMs |
| 22:27.51 | drmessano | My personal PBX is really the only leftover from my homelab days |
| 22:28.16 | drmessano | I have family and friends with extensions hung off it. Mostly gets used for e911 / backup now |
| 22:28.34 | drmessano | To which I would reply to Samot |
| 22:28.56 | drmessano | They do have e911 on their accounts :) |
| 22:33.54 | Zombie | I don't assign extensions to anyone but my partner. |
| 22:34.30 | Zombie | But, The Android XMPP Clients I use have a non-functioning call feature. |
| 22:46.19 | drmessano | Yeahhhhhh hosted IM |
| 22:46.36 | drmessano | Did that a decade ago too |
| 22:52.04 | Samot | What did I miss? |
| 22:52.11 | Samot | reads scrollback |
| 22:59.52 | Samot | Hah |
| 23:03.41 | drmessano | Go help the nice guy in #freepbx Samot |
| 23:10.22 | Zombie | My Hosted IM Serves a secondary Purpose. |
| 23:10.35 | Zombie | Which is Spectrum 2. |
| 23:11.49 | drmessano | Is that a game? |
| 23:31.46 | Zombie | Bo. |
| 23:31.49 | Zombie | er No. |
| 23:32.10 | Zombie | It's basically an XMPP Server instance for Pidgin. |
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| 23:35.01 | drmessano | huh? |
| 23:35.20 | drmessano | You said it serves a secondary purpose |
| 23:35.26 | drmessano | For this Spectrum 2 thing |
| 23:35.35 | drmessano | and then "It's an XMPP server for Pidgin" |
| 23:35.49 | drmessano | That sounds like the primary function |
| 23:36.07 | Zombie | Prosody is the actual XMPP server. |
| 23:36.28 | drmessano | and Spectrum is also an XMPP server for the XMPP server? |
| 23:37.25 | Zombie | Spectrum2 is a Relay server that uses libpurple modules to relay messages from third party exterior Services, like Skype, Discord, FaceBook, or RocketChat over XMPP to Android Handsets. |
| 23:38.15 | drmessano | Wow, people still do that? |
| 23:38.26 | Zombie | I have something similar to do the same for SMS called MAXS, but that exists independent of Spectrum2 |
| 23:38.33 | Zombie | Do what? |
| 23:38.45 | Zombie | Relay stuff over XMPP? |
| 23:38.57 | Zombie | They do if they want to prevent location harvesting. |
| 23:38.57 | drmessano | Those shoehorn IM wirenut things |
| 23:46.54 | Zombie | Alot of this is about preventing Android handsets from becoming tracking devices. |
| 23:48.20 | Zombie | The entire reason I bring it up, is because Conversations, Linphone, and Ekiga seem to have a Voice/Video calling mechanism in them. |
| 23:52.57 | drmessano | Linphone and Ekiga are total crap |
| 23:53.10 | drmessano | Ekiga hasn't been maintained in 7 years |
| 23:53.40 | drmessano | I'll tell you a little something. You won't care, but it's valid. |
| 23:54.04 | drmessano | Years ago, people spent time on this stuff because it wasn't there as a SaaS offering |
| 23:54.17 | sibiria | i think Linphone is alright, just a bit kludgy UI |
| 23:54.33 | sibiria | alright as in it works well, no weird behavior |
| 23:54.42 | drmessano | It was neat doing video calls with Asterisk because there wasn't 100 baked solutions like there are now |
| 23:55.26 | drmessano | Hosting your own IM server, using connectors to other services... 2007 all over again |
| 23:55.41 | drmessano | If you want to stop using shit islands and getting tracked, pick better islands |
| 23:55.47 | drmessano | Signal and Telegram are two options |
| 23:56.38 | drmessano | Getting your Mom to install Ekiga and configuring it for video calls has nothing on Facetime, FB messenger, Duo, anything else out there. They've won |
