| 00:07.48 | Samot | kfife: I used the primary vendor and there was no LTE modem. |
| 00:08.06 | Samot | Ie. Bell Canada who pretty much everyone else uses. |
| 00:09.12 | kfife | I just meant, VoIP works when the network works. Generally the SIP UA is not the |
| 00:09.15 | kfife | hero |
| 00:09.21 | Samot | kfife: Not only were they the only one with service, none of their MVNO's used their towers in this area. Including the other major carriers (who use Bell's towers). They also have working payphones all over the highways there because of the lack of service. |
| 00:09.30 | Samot | kfifie: You use softphone's often? |
| 00:09.36 | Samot | kfife: You use softphone's often? |
| 00:09.36 | kfife | Yes. |
| 00:09.44 | Samot | OK so you are aware of their common problems. |
| 00:09.50 | kfife | I was a early beta tester of Bria |
| 00:09.51 | Samot | Like NAT isses and backgrounding... |
| 00:10.09 | kfife | Fair enough on a tablet. |
| 00:11.03 | kfife | Android or IOS? |
| 00:11.21 | Samot | Android. |
| 00:11.44 | Samot | Also, "VoIP works when the network works" isn't a 100% true statement. |
| 00:12.01 | Samot | When things that use TCP aren't caring about high latency or jitter... |
| 00:12.11 | Samot | People will view the VoIP being affected by that as poor. |
| 00:14.10 | kfife | SO: Bria on Android tablet. Wi-Fi to mobile. HSPA (not LTE) to MNO? |
| 00:15.14 | Samot | LTE |
| 00:15.21 | Samot | Tablet has a data SIM |
| 00:15.23 | Samot | LTE data. |
| 00:15.36 | Samot | Turn on hotspot, phones and laptops online. |
| 00:15.38 | kfife | Samot: kfife: I used the primary vendor and there was no LTE modem. |
| 00:16.06 | Samot | Correct, it was a tablet using a data SIM card over a LTE data. |
| 00:17.05 | kfife | And somehow your tablet is magically able to do that without an LTE modem? |
| 00:18.10 | Samot | Yes, SIM card. |
| 00:18.13 | Samot | Like your phone. |
| 00:18.33 | Samot | I could have bought a modem but it didn't fit my needs. |
| 00:18.36 | kfife | And somehow your [phone] is magically able to do that without an LTE modem? |
| 00:19.08 | Samot | How does your phone get data? |
| 00:19.19 | Samot | Is it wifi only or do you have a data plan with your mobile carrier? |
| 00:19.54 | kfife | Like everyone on earth, via integrated baseband radio (AKA a modem). |
| 00:20.47 | Samot | Alright. |
| 00:21.00 | Samot | That's not what anyone would consider a modem |
| 00:21.14 | Samot | I wouldn't walk into the store and say "Show me your modems" and they line up phones. |
| 00:21.28 | Samot | Or tablets. |
| 00:21.40 | Samot | They would bring out actual modems, things meant for that purpose. |
| 00:21.41 | kfife | I though you were an engineer? Everyone also gets Wi-Fi from "a router." |
| 00:21.51 | Samot | Hotspotting has it's limits. |
| 00:21.59 | Samot | It's not a real modem replacement. |
| 00:22.30 | kfife | They use the terminology incorrectly |
| 00:22.33 | Samot | So when you ask "What LTE modem?" I'm thinking actual modem devices. |
| 00:22.48 | kfife | In an engineering forum, you have to speak correctly so people know what you actually mean. |
| 00:22.57 | Samot | OK. |
| 00:23.14 | Samot | So when referring to a modem, people in those forums think of phones? |
| 00:23.44 | Samot | If someone was to ask for a recommendation for LTE modems, all the engineers would recommend phones? |
| 00:23.52 | Samot | Because it can hotspot? |
| 00:24.04 | kfife | No they'd ask you to be more specific. |
| 00:24.19 | Samot | OK. |
| 00:26.48 | kfife | i.e. Do you want USB modem, for a laptop, an MPCIe for an integrated platform, are you building an ASIC, and want a prefab-circuit you can drop onto your silicon die? Or are you an end-user that wants an LTE-backed portable Wi-Fi hotspot. |
| 00:26.53 | kfife | The latter isn't a modem. It has a modem. |
| 00:28.00 | Samot | I really could have just taken my Mikrotik router. |
| 00:28.06 | Samot | Slammed the SIM into it. |
| 00:28.09 | Samot | Be done. |
| 00:28.33 | Samot | Decided that wasn't portable enough. Just like a standalone LTE modem device that is meant to sit some where for things to access |
| 00:28.42 | kfife | I've wanted to try that--a router with an integrated LTE radio/modem as a fallback. |
| 00:29.48 | Samot | I can get Mikrotik gear that is LTE only for the WAN side. |
| 00:29.53 | Samot | Specially meant for this. |
| 00:30.08 | Samot | Next year, we're going to do a whole family thing there. So I will do that then. |
| 00:30.21 | Samot | Provide wifi to all the cabins in the area for the family. |
| 00:30.26 | kfife | Nice. |
| 00:31.36 | kfife | I just today drop-shipped a USB LTE modem to an employee covid-stuck behind the GFWOC. It's equipped with a Fi SIM. Supposedly it can get over the wall. |
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| 01:47.48 | drmessano | Samot: You're an idiot for liking something |
| 01:55.08 | drmessano | Imagine gatekeeping that hard over someone saying "This worked really well for me" |
| 02:15.53 | kfife | LOL igcewieling: I think of Bing as the Amtrak of search engines -- it requires large amounts of outside cash in order to keep running. |
| 02:17.49 | kfife | sibiria: their hostile cut-throat type of business model seems to have disappeared |
| 02:18.55 | kfife | sibiria: IMO only because they don't have a the market position anymore to be dicks. |
| 02:23.50 | Samot | How don't they have the market position? |
| 02:23.56 | kfife | I mean in desktop. |
| 02:24.59 | kfife | Desktop isn't what makes money these days. |
| 02:25.19 | Samot | Yup. |
| 02:25.30 | Samot | Yet they start are the market share holder. |
| 02:25.43 | Samot | still* |
| 02:26.02 | kfife | Yes, as was blackberry. |
| 02:26.31 | kfife | I think Desktop will become thin client. Corporate will go Linux. |
| 02:26.56 | Samot | Well Microsoft uses Linux. |
| 02:27.38 | kfife | LOL.. We have hundreds of Win Desktops. MS is still such a bunch clueless corn-holes, they can't find a way to take my money with Windows. |
| 02:27.54 | kfife | They've fucked it up so badly with their force-fed adware, that it's hard to run a business. |
| 02:28.10 | kfife | Think: Candy-Crush Enterprise Edition |
| 02:28.16 | kfife | I take it off, they put it back. |
| 02:28.46 | kfife | I run Firefox, the fucking OS tells my users that Firefox kills puppies, and they should run Edge |
| 02:29.14 | kfife | Mind you, I paid ~$300 for an enterprise Win10 license |
| 02:29.32 | drmessano | heh |
| 02:29.48 | kfife | so we're switching the entire org to Linux |
| 02:29.56 | kfife | because fuck you microsoft. |
| 02:30.00 | drmessano | That'll show em |
| 02:30.05 | kfife | lol |
| 02:30.12 | kfife | Actually it will |
| 02:30.19 | kfife | Because no way I'm alone in this. |
| 02:31.58 | drmessano | Who installs Windows 10 enteprise without customizing the build, unless they either want the value-added shit, or they want to bitch |
| 02:32.00 | Samot | You mean like when you use Google from a non Chrome browser, they suggest getting Chrome? |
| 02:32.24 | kfife | drmesanno: have you installed Win10 Enterprise? |
| 02:32.32 | Samot | snicker |
| 02:32.54 | drmessano | Well, we have an enterprise with 25,000 desktops, and yes I have deployed a couple copies |
| 02:33.11 | drmessano | And I've been building custom Windows enteprise builds since 7 |
| 02:33.18 | drmessano | So what would you like to know? |
| 02:33.59 | drmessano | Your gatekeeping over LTE was hilarious, what can you offer me for Windows? |
| 02:34.32 | kfife | Fogive me, I've not heard the term gatekeeping in that context |
| 02:34.53 | kfife | Help me understand? |
| 02:34.55 | drmessano | I don't forgive, and it's a dumb expression |
| 02:35.01 | drmessano | But go on |
| 02:35.13 | kfife | What does it mean? |
| 02:35.19 | kfife | WRT Win 10: |
| 02:35.39 | kfife | I make customizatios, they change it back. That's my objection |
| 02:35.59 | drmessano | Eh wat |
| 02:36.17 | kfife | They come out with the anniversary update, and re-install apps that I've removed. |
| 02:36.45 | drmessano | Weird, doesn't do that anywhere in our enterprise |
| 02:37.37 | kfife | It |
| 02:38.07 | drmessano | Are you pushing custom images or cherrypicking each install and ripping out apps? |
| 02:38.16 | kfife | Pushing images. |
| 02:38.47 | drmessano | Never heard of apps coming back |
| 02:38.58 | kfife | Maybe they've stopped doing it. |
| 02:39.11 | kfife | We've stopped deploying Win10 |
| 02:39.49 | kfife | But if you aren't seeing it, maybe it's not going to be a cat-and-mouse game. |
| 02:40.02 | drmessano | ok |
| 02:40.36 | kfife | ...which is my only objection. |
| 02:42.55 | kfife | Seriously though, Linux with ZFS, and Ansible will make administration a fraction of the work. |
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| 19:41.21 | Grommish | Hey all.. So.. before I get sucked into an asterisk project, would someone be able to comment on the potential setup? I plan in running it on a small form-factor device, Octeon3 MIP64 Dual-core CPU @ 1ghz, 1Gb RAM, 3 GbE ports, and probably an iSCSI connection to a NAS for storage.. Would it be worth the time and effort? |
| 19:44.18 | sibiria | i'm sure it'll build just fine on this or that Linux mips64el |
| 19:45.07 | sibiria | but just like with Arm it's not an officially supported architecture, so eventual issues may be hard to get help with |
| 20:49.17 | igcewieling | I'd stick with standard 64-bit Intel/AMD processors. |
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| 22:23.49 | Grommish | I'm getting a dadhi-linux error on the arch.. |
| 22:24.12 | Grommish | dahdi-linux-3.1.0/drivers/dahdi/Kbuild:117: CPU Architecture 'mips' does not support VPMADT032 or HPEC. Skipping. |
| 22:24.42 | Grommish | I'll have to see if it's worth the effort.. |
| 22:25.55 | Grommish | I also need to update all these packages since it looks like OpenWrt still uses 16.. |
| 22:28.22 | igcewieling | I doubt DAHDI will work on non-X86 |
| 22:31.15 | Grommish | I'm not familar enough with the componets yet to see how much of a PITA this might actually be :x |
| 22:31.42 | Samot | You're trying to install DAHDI on a router? |
| 22:55.25 | sibiria | disable dahdi... iax2... |
| 22:56.10 | sibiria | also, using openwrt as your OS foundation is uh, a bit of a challenge. even on x86/64 |
| 22:57.48 | Grommish | sibiria: oh, I'm sure.. |
| 22:58.35 | Grommish | Samot: I can use it as a router, if I choose to.. it was originally designed as a IPS/IDS device |
| 22:58.50 | Grommish | Samot: but, it should have enough hardware behind it.. maybe :D |
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| 23:01.11 | Grommish | sibiria: and to complicate, its a mip63be CPU |
| 23:01.17 | Grommish | err mips64be |
| 23:01.37 | Grommish | I can get astrisk (16) to compile and install easy enough though |
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| 23:16.55 | Samot | Grommish: So it has FXS or FXO ports at least right? |
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| 23:22.57 | Grommish | Samot: No, but I was going to use one of the eth phy ports as the VoIP network, since I also don't have a switch interface |
| 23:26.26 | Samot | So why do you need DAHDI? |
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| 23:40.57 | Grommish | Samot: I'm not sure I do.. I'm just workign thru the various modules and add-ins to get them compiled so I can test with them |
| 23:41.18 | Grommish | Keep in mind i'm going into this blind.. i've never used astrisk, etc |
| 23:41.31 | Grommish | So, forgive the ignorant questions and assumptions, please :) |
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