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| 19:09.43 | void09 | I was thinking I want to build a phone system, where I would get some landline phone numbers, each with multiple lines, or more numbers with no extra lines, where people could dial in, speak a password to authenticate, and then they could use their phone keyboard to dial to any other destination number. How difficult would this be to implement and what kind of hardware would I need ? assume 0 asterisk knowledge and close to 0 knowledge on voip and |
| 19:09.43 | void09 | general telephony |
| 19:11.07 | void09 | goal is to cut inmates' phone fees in a certain country to 1/5 of the usual they pay. |
| 19:44.32 | [TK]D-Fender | "speak a password" is the only tricky item in there |
| 19:45.08 | [TK]D-Fender | You could try Sphinz as a back-emd engine for that or something els elike Google's voice recognition. There are samples for this if you ggogle them up. |
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| 20:10.01 | drmessano | void09: Hard part is going to be accepting cigarettes as currency |
| 20:10.10 | drmessano | Not sure any billing system does that |
| 20:29.38 | sibiria | i know a guy who hangs out down in the harbor |
| 20:29.42 | sibiria | former russian sailor |
| 20:29.52 | sibiria | pack of smokes is good payment with him |
| 20:38.04 | Samot | 2:11:07 PM <void09> goal is to cut inmates' phone fees in a certain country to 1/5 of the usual they pay. << Not sure what country but it's a big business. Good luck disrupting that. |
| 20:38.33 | Samot | Because that high fee inmates pay, I'm pretty sure is split up. |
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| 20:40.52 | void09 | Samot: Romania. I was in the prison system there.. spent 15.000 EUR on phone bills in 5 years |
| 20:41.05 | void09 | phone fees, not bills, obviously |
| 20:43.40 | void09 | "speak a password" looked like the easiest part to me, since I know nothing of asterisk and building phone systems |
| 20:43.44 | kjetilho | void09: so they have differentiated pricing so calling the landline is cheap? |
| 20:44.28 | kjetilho | replace "speak a password" with entering a pin-code from their phone. way easier. |
| 20:44.42 | void09 | kjetilho: yes, for some reason. about $0.02/min for landline, $0.12/min for mobile. and recently they made international calls have the same fee as national mobile (Was much higher before) |
| 20:45.20 | void09 | kjetilho: If I am aiming for a few thousand customers, it will be too easy to bruteforce/guess another user's pin |
| 20:45.48 | kjetilho | a spoken password can be eavesdropped |
| 20:46.10 | void09 | yes, maybe voice fingerprinting can be used |
| 20:46.29 | kjetilho | sounds like a good Ph.D. thesis |
| 20:46.30 | void09 | "my voice is my password" |
| 20:46.39 | void09 | verify me : ) |
| 20:47.00 | kjetilho | that was Hackers? |
| 20:47.04 | Samot | void09: Well the first thing you would need to figure out, is this a hardware based solution or a cloud based solution? |
| 20:47.07 | void09 | uplink |
| 20:47.20 | Samot | Speak the password is the more complicated part. |
| 20:47.24 | kjetilho | I mean "Sneakers" |
| 20:47.34 | void09 | ok well let's just ignore that for a bit then. |
| 20:47.53 | Samot | void09: Well the first thing you would need to figure out, is this a hardware based solution or a cloud based solution? |
| 20:47.55 | void09 | let's just assume phone keyboard pin for identifying |
| 20:48.06 | void09 | Samot: hardware based obviously. |
| 20:48.21 | void09 | as in, runs on my own hardware, not in the cloud ? |
| 20:48.24 | Samot | OK so is it going to be a full appliance or software based? |
| 20:48.39 | drmessano | Why wouldn't you run this in the cloud? |
| 20:48.54 | drmessano | Scaling bare metal is painfully expensive now |
| 20:48.58 | void09 | cause i have a ton of unused hardware, and i like owning my stuff. also cheap internet and electricity |
| 20:49.04 | void09 | really ? |
| 20:49.07 | Samot | I could see a prison wanting to record the calls and secure them. |
| 20:49.11 | Samot | Wait.. |
| 20:49.12 | Samot | What? |
| 20:49.19 | drmessano | You're gonna use used hardware you have laying around? |
| 20:49.25 | Samot | No, you cannot just do this with old equipment laying around. |
| 20:49.28 | drmessano | Oh I thought this was a serious project. ok |
| 20:50.14 | drmessano | Use hardware is the toilet wine of starting a business, btw |
| 20:50.17 | kjetilho | how many concurrent calls do you envisage? |
| 20:50.17 | drmessano | Used* |
| 20:50.23 | Samot | void09: So you're going to rent them this? |
| 20:50.39 | Samot | void09: Because when places buy a PBX appliance, it's theirs. Not yours. |
| 20:50.41 | Samot | They own it. |
| 20:50.51 | Samot | Unless it's a rental or a lease. |
| 20:51.59 | void09 | Well I started thinking about this just to help out a friend that's still there. So even if just one user can use this, it's great. |
| 20:52.05 | Samot | No. |
| 20:52.08 | Samot | That's not how it works. |
| 20:52.19 | Samot | Inmates don't have the ability to get their own phone service. |
| 20:52.24 | Samot | Or put in their own PBX. |
| 20:52.27 | Samot | It's a prison. |
| 20:52.31 | Samot | Not an office suite. |
| 20:52.52 | void09 | Samot: yeah, it would work by them phoning my landline number, and then reacing out any number by dialing it |
| 20:53.10 | void09 | i will be the proxy to any number in the world, using their low landline flat fee |
| 20:53.27 | Samot | So you're going to get a physical landline? |
| 20:53.52 | void09 | physical or voip numbers, or even register myself as a telecom company to get a number space |
| 20:53.58 | kjetilho | or a SIP trunk. but then it won't be cost effective with just one user |
| 20:54.04 | Samot | Really? |
| 20:54.13 | Samot | OK. |
| 20:55.19 | void09 | I can also use mobile sims as landline numbers. some operators provide this |
| 20:55.48 | void09 | landline number on mobile SIM |
| 20:55.52 | Samot | So how much are you will to spend to save your friend money? |
| 20:56.03 | void09 | hardware wise, as much as needed |
| 20:56.04 | Samot | And how do you actually pay for the continuing costs? |
| 20:56.44 | void09 | hardware = other equipment besides x86 machines |
| 20:56.53 | Samot | There's more than just handware here. |
| 20:56.56 | Samot | hardware* |
| 20:57.05 | Samot | YOU still need phone service. |
| 20:57.26 | Samot | So YOU still need to pay to have the ability to accept these calls and send them back out... |
| 20:57.27 | void09 | fixed landline over SIM is 3 eur/month. mobile prepay is 5 eur/month having almost unlimited minutes |
| 20:57.38 | void09 | i just need to bridge those |
| 20:57.59 | Samot | So now you need a GoIP gataeway |
| 20:58.47 | void09 | no idea what that is |
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| 21:00.36 | void09 | so basically the simplest version of this. user calls on sim0 number. dials a random phone number using the keypad. the system dials out that number using sim1. voice in/out gets bridged between those two |
| 21:01.27 | Samot | Well it's how you would use a SIM card with Asterisk. |
| 21:01.48 | Samot | You still need to make Asterisk work with the SIM. |
| 21:05.58 | void09 | yeah, I need to find asterisk compatible hardware. to use the SIMs. no idea what that would be |
| 21:06.38 | void09 | I was thinking to use android at first, but getting access to the raw gsm voice seems to be pretty hard, without some core hacks |
| 21:07.07 | kjetilho | make a robot to push in the numbers on the screen ;) |
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| 23:54.01 | Grommish | void09: In the US, they are all moving to VoLTE starting 2021.. They are finally killing off CDMA/GSM |