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| 08:45.38 | Edeneye | Hi, does someone knows where is the line that allow me to modify the clling prefix so I can call french numbers (prefix = +33) as I think mines is for now configured in + 1 (From some support from a provider) and I can't find where to modify this |
| 08:45.44 | Edeneye | after many tries |
| 08:47.34 | Edeneye | exten => _X.,1,Dial(SIP/1${EXTEN}@talk.yay.com,30) with this line I cal only +1 numbers |
| 08:47.52 | Edeneye | I want to call +336XXXXXXXX or +337XXXXXXXX |
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| 12:01.14 | Samot | Wow |
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| 12:30.27 | micdud | any reason a wifi modems with ( power save turned off, to drop incomming pings from 5-10-even-20secs) on androids drains bats in a day ( just idling ), while cellular modems can last in that mode for a week. trying to use cells as a wifi sip phones. |
| 12:30.59 | micdud | i would think shorter distrance and simular frequencies would drop the power requerments not increase |
| 12:42.53 | electronic_eel | micdud: wifi power saving is complex and depends very much on what features your ap and client support (and are configured properly) |
| 12:44.06 | electronic_eel | wifi wasn't developed for this kind of usage at first, it was added later on. so how well it works depends on the combination of the aps and clients used |
| 12:45.13 | electronic_eel | cell phone standards like gsm where developed for client battery saving from the ground up, so this basic infrastructure for that is in place for even the most basic devices |
| 12:46.10 | electronic_eel | to make wifi power saving work, have a look at the wmm settings in your ap and phone |
| 12:46.40 | electronic_eel | but often only the more advanced models allow you to truely tweak these values |
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| 12:58.07 | micdud | does a cell modem let main cpu sleep? on most phones ? |
| 13:00.49 | micdud | or i would even leave powersave on , but have been unable to find any info in decreasing the sleep or chekin period to a second or two |
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| 13:18.20 | Samot | micdud: I run Brian on my phone and have no problems. |
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| 13:31.29 | micdud | what is Brian? |
| 13:33.20 | zamba | i just found a siupra spa-2000 in the closet.. but i see that this is branded by the voip provider we had some years ago.. is it possible to reset this somehow? |
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| 13:36.32 | micdud | zamba look in to firware upgrades from manufacturer if possible, remember reading people rushing to walmarts got get 5 dollar vonage-branded-grandstream atas and reflashing them |
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| 13:37.42 | Samot | At this point, just buy something. |
| 13:38.05 | Samot | There is literally no point in trying to hack a provider locked device from 15 years ago |
| 13:38.11 | micdud | yes a atas-can be had for 20-30 on amazon , not worth hours of reasearch on how to reflash |
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| 14:12.13 | igcewieling | try using TCP. Phones seems to keep TCP connections open better than UDP connections. |
| 14:13.17 | igcewieling | That applies to the cellular side, not the wifi side, as far as I know. |
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| 14:14.15 | Samot | That was a work around to phones dealing with the app being backgrounded horribly. |
| 14:14.32 | Samot | Since TCP is a stateful connection vs stateless. |
| 14:15.21 | Samot | A lot of the softphone misconceptions, much like wifi, is due to people just using crappy devices and software. |
| 14:17.56 | igcewieling | My understanding is that carriers spoof TCP keepalives so the connection doesn't drop because of a short loss of connectivity. |
| 14:18.41 | igcewieling | that might be a 3g thing |
| 14:20.13 | Samot | micdud: Bria. Phone autocorrect ed |
| 14:21.34 | Samot | igcewieling: I am talking about something like Linphone backgrounding and the losing connectivity because requests cant be recieved. |
| 14:22.15 | file | mobile sure is something that keeps on coming up |
| 14:22.18 | Samot | The poor backgrounding of the app and the work arounds drain battery power |
| 14:23.10 | Samot | Android is worse than iOS |
| 14:23.16 | igcewieling | file: only because it sucks to bad. |
| 14:23.24 | file | 'tis hard |
| 14:23.24 | Samot | No it doesnt |
| 14:23.35 | Samot | Please stop parroting reddit |
| 14:24.00 | file | it can work well, but it's hard and it's not something generally you can/will deploy yourself to have it work well |
| 14:24.08 | Samot | Don't use shitty devices or software |
| 14:24.29 | igcewieling | *shrug* we have more trouble tickets for the 50 or so softphones we have out here than for the almost 1,000 polycom hardphones we have deployed. |
| 14:24.47 | Samot | What softphone? |
| 14:25.37 | igcewieling | These days? GloCOMM. |
| 14:26.22 | igcewieling | I've used Bria and the only way I could keep it connected was to use their private "keepalive/proxy service". |
| 14:26.55 | Samot | What version? |
| 14:27.04 | Samot | Free doesnt get much |
| 14:27.13 | igcewieling | The paid one from about 6 months or a year ago. |
| 14:27.22 | Samot | Paid gets you an entire platform including a push service. |
| 14:27.44 | igcewieling | I assert, that needing a push service, shows that mobile data sucks. |
| 14:28.09 | Samot | Did you use the push service? Much like SIP proxies it deals with crappy setups |
| 14:28.39 | igcewieling | I needed the push service to keep the softphone online. |
| 14:28.45 | file | it's just a reality of working within the ecosystem of Apple and Google |
| 14:29.28 | Samot | Well Bria on iOS is for better than on Android. |
| 14:29.36 | igcewieling | At this point, I tell our support people to contact the vendor for softphone issues. |
| 14:29.40 | Samot | But then again, Apple has standards. |
| 14:30.35 | file | they do, and they like to change them |
| 14:30.56 | micdud | its not the app backgrounding , its wifi going in to deep wifi power save with screen off on android, and pings can be as high as 10 to 20 sec to device , so an incomming call takes as long to ring , disabling powersave on wifi reduces it to miliseconds, but take a toll on battery. atleast from my testing |
| 14:31.17 | Samot | micdud: did you turn that off? |
| 14:31.23 | micdud | yes |
| 14:31.27 | micdud | then it works perfectrly |
| 14:31.32 | Samot | Right |
| 14:31.33 | micdud | but drains battery in a day |
| 14:32.06 | micdud | would like something in between like a 1 2 sec response to ring is ok , but unable to find where to tweak that |
| 14:32.35 | Samot | You probably cant that is the phone waking up |
| 14:33.28 | Samot | So the phone doesnt get charged at all during the day? |
| 14:34.14 | micdud | has to, but trying to find middle ground , with some powersave but not an unusable ammount |
| 14:37.27 | Samot | What model of phone is this again? |
| 14:38.30 | micdud | an old note , s4 and s5 , all on cyanogen mod = android 4 6 7 |
| 14:38.40 | micdud | all with same results |
| 14:39.14 | micdud | csipsiple linphone sipdroid and grandstream lite , for softphone apps |
| 14:39.29 | Samot | Wait, Android 4.6.7? |
| 14:40.03 | micdud | old note on 4 s4 on 6 s5 on 7 |
| 14:40.26 | micdud | cyanogen mod equivalents |
| 14:41.50 | Samot | What version is that? |
| 14:43.41 | Samot | OK. So basically what you're saying is I have shitty phones on shitty software. |
| 14:43.54 | Samot | Because models and software from that time, all had this issue. |
| 14:44.41 | Samot | iOS and even Bria started having fixes pushed for this only a few years ago. |
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| 14:50.57 | micdud | so you have seen and android ring within a second or two at all times even with screen off for long time , and power save not disabled ? |
| 14:51.07 | micdud | on wifi softphone |
| 14:51.13 | micdud | not cell |
| 14:51.50 | micdud | please tell which model of phone and os version , that is soo not shitty :) |
| 14:52.05 | Samot | How about something made in the last 2 years? |
| 14:52.23 | micdud | give me a specific one so i can find out for myself and test , please |
| 14:52.48 | Samot | There's at least 3 Android OS versions that are currently in production. |
| 14:53.12 | Samot | That are fully supported. |
| 14:54.17 | micdud | but do they do what i need is what i am asking ? not weather its flashy or supported ! |
| 14:55.05 | igcewieling | Have you tried the stock android? |
| 14:55.28 | micdud | yes , same issues, and you cannot even mess with powersave without rooting |
| 14:56.39 | igcewieling | so, the feature you are using is not in stock android? Only in the custom Android Cyanomod version? |
| 14:58.54 | micdud | no they are there , just do not like the bloat, turning off powersave requires root though . |
| 14:59.07 | Samot | micdud: I have had 8, 9, 10, etc and all using Bria with a paid license. |
| 14:59.10 | micdud | with powersave on , they behave the same |
| 14:59.17 | Samot | So any of those will work just fine. |
| 14:59.31 | Samot | csipsimple is a POS dead project. |
| 14:59.51 | micdud | yes , but its the only one that does not phone to google with appstatistics :) |
| 14:59.55 | Samot | linphone, sipdroid both subpar clients. |
| 15:00.02 | Samot | Oh well |
| 15:00.05 | micdud | linphone even phones google |
| 15:00.14 | Samot | You want one thing you have to give up others. |
| 15:00.16 | micdud | linphone on android , not linux |
| 15:00.38 | Samot | You're "Google is evil and tracks" tin foil stuff is irrelevant. |
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| 15:01.06 | Samot | If that is a factor though, then I guess you get subpar softphone apps. |
| 15:01.07 | micdud | you are in the elon is god , fanboy type, where everyone needs a tesla :) |
| 15:01.15 | Samot | No, not really. |
| 15:03.04 | Samot | I'm the "Don't use out of date, end of life, unsupported software/hardware while complaining it doesn't hold up to current standards/needs" fanboy type. |
| 15:03.22 | Samot | I like things that Just Work(tm) |
| 15:04.43 | micdud | send some of old 3-4 yeard old garbage hardware my way to Africa ill make use of it :) |
| 15:04.51 | Samot | You were told what to do to fix your issue. Use more current software and devices that have *addressed the issue*. Instead your answer was "but Google...." |
| 15:05.54 | micdud | your anwser is not to dig a little and find an option config or setting that might fix things but to just go out and buy new shit every other year , maybe some of the old stuff can be made to work , why not try ? |
| 15:07.39 | micdud | ps, i am using you gigabit catalyst switches from the dumpster without problems |
| 15:07.46 | Samot | Sure. |
| 15:07.47 | igcewieling | If you want to oversimplify things, yes. |
| 15:08.07 | Samot | If you want to sit there and try to figure out this at the OS and or app level, feel free. |
| 15:08.18 | Samot | Don't do it here. It's not an Asterisk problem. |
| 15:08.43 | igcewieling | micdud: how do you handle LLDP for your hardphones? |
| 15:09.13 | igcewieling | I didn't think Cat switches supported it. |
| 15:09.21 | micdud | i do not |
| 15:09.35 | micdud | no discovery |
| 15:10.46 | igcewieling | *nod* So you accept the limitation of the older hardware. Do the same with your phone. |
| 15:12.34 | igcewieling | micdud: my solution to the "google tracking" problem was to use an actual one-way pager and kept a cellphone in the car with the battery removed for the rare times someone needs to contact me when I'm not at my desk. |
| 15:13.22 | igcewieling | Eventually the IT director left, I took on more responsibilities, and that method was no longer workable. |
| 15:18.52 | micdud | i am not worried about tracking , just like to optimise all excess , make it easier to manage . like turning off ipv6 in kernel so you even have no interfaces for it if not using it , then you do not even need to worry about firewall rulles for it |
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| 16:07.00 | Edeneye | Still no one with a clue about "exten => _X.,1,Dial(SIP/1${EXTEN}@talk.yay.com,30) " this line and how/where I can make asterisk run for french numbers. Where do I configure the prefix ? |
| 16:10.13 | igcewieling | Edeneye: that question is so basic that it shows you have read or understood very little about the dialplan. Honestly, I'm just not interested in tutoring you in the basics, and I suspect most people here feel the same way. |
| 16:13.29 | igcewieling | That line says match 2 or more of any digit and make a sip call to whatever number you dialed, but prefixed by a 1, to talk.yay.com and timeout if no answer after 30 mins. |
| 16:13.37 | igcewieling | that is all the hints I'm giving. |
| 16:13.57 | igcewieling | not 30 mins, 30 seconds |
| 16:38.11 | Samot | I didn't realize French numbers started with a 1 |
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| 17:28.06 | Edeneye | igcewieling ok you were right I just missed something really simple |
| 17:28.32 | Edeneye | Now I can call any numbers |
| 17:29.03 | Edeneye | but I have just one more issue that I can't find any answer about reading every documentation I can |
| 17:29.51 | Edeneye | IÂ am trying to modify the caller ID but it just don't work do I have to modify extension.conf as well ? |
| 17:30.01 | Edeneye | [301] |
| 17:30.02 | Edeneye | type=friend |
| 17:30.02 | Edeneye | host=dynamic |
| 17:30.03 | Edeneye | secret=301 |
| 17:30.03 | Edeneye | context=internal |
| 17:30.04 | Edeneye | callerid="Eden" <06xxxx> |
| 17:30.30 | Edeneye | When I make a call, the one I call still recieve the call under the number of my provider |
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| 17:35.59 | igcewieling | sorry, I don't use chan_sip anymore |
| 17:36.56 | igcewieling | most providers don't allow you to set callerid to anything other than numbers on the account. |
| 17:38.50 | Edeneye | But what I send you seems correct to you ? |
| 17:38.56 | Edeneye | sent* |
| 17:43.09 | igcewieling | Edeneye: I don't see permit/deny or allow/disallow settings, but I've not used chan_sip in a while. |
| 17:43.22 | igcewieling | you'll not find a lot of people helping with chan_sip anymore. |
| 17:44.11 | Edeneye | Yes I know, that's why I try to ask that much questions here, I can't find any other place where people may answer me |
| 17:44.36 | igcewieling | try pjsip instead. |
| 17:47.02 | igcewieling | https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Home |
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| 18:23.32 | micdud | <igcewieling>most providers is right , but not the ones that call from indian callcenters , they have it figured out . and i tried asking providers if they can provide logging by ip or ability to blacklist those providers , just get stonewalled. |
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| 18:39.15 | igcewieling | Use an Indian call center then. |
| 18:41.46 | igcewieling | STIR/SHAKEN should help with CallerID spoofing |
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| 18:59.37 | micdud | very interesting read , even fcc mandated , but guess they providers can still get extensions for a year or more till its mandatory to implement |
| 19:09.49 | Samot | It's mandatory June 1st, 2021 |
| 19:10.26 | Samot | Carriers have been implementing it over the last year. |
| 19:15.15 | igcewieling | Samot: do you plan on indicating the attestation to the end user? If so, how? |
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| 19:49.31 | Samot | Probably not. I will just use it as part of existing services. |
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| 21:58.50 | Edeneye | igcewieling i followed your advices |
| 21:59.06 | Edeneye | once I succeded in chan_sip I started to try in pjsip |
| 21:59.40 | Edeneye | I can make connect to my provider, i can make calls, everything is working well |
| 21:59.54 | Edeneye | connexion* |
| 22:00.23 | Edeneye | But whan I call, the one that recieve the call recieve it appearing as an "anonymous call" |
| 22:00.47 | Edeneye | I don't think its a setting from my provider, i searched for it and it seems normal |
| 22:01.59 | Edeneye | I think its from my config, do you know if and where I can change this in my config ? |
| 22:02.08 | Edeneye | [to-yay] |
| 22:02.08 | Edeneye | exten => _X.,1,Dial(PJSIP/${EXTEN}@nexmo) |
| 22:02.09 | Edeneye | Â Â same => n,Hangup() |
| 22:02.09 | Edeneye | [to-6003] |
| 22:02.10 | Edeneye | exten => 6003,1,Dial(PJSIP/6003,20) |
| 22:02.10 | Edeneye | exten => _0XXXXXXXX,2,Set(CALLERID(number)=33644630973) |
| 22:02.11 | Edeneye | Â same => n,Hangup |
| 22:02.11 | Edeneye | [to-6004] |
| 22:02.12 | Edeneye | exten => 6004,1,Dial(PJSIP/6004,20) |
| 22:02.12 | Edeneye | Â Â same => n,Hangup |
| 22:02.13 | Edeneye | [from-yay] |
| 22:02.13 | Edeneye | exten => 03300434091,1,Dial(PJSIP/6004) |
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| 22:27.14 | electronic_eel | Edeneye: for some sip providers you have to send a P-Asserted-Identity header to make the caller-id show up on the remote end. see send_pai option in pjsip |
| 22:28.21 | electronic_eel | but as usual when you are debugging something like this: enable sip level logging, see what is sent and compare to what you want (or the specs of your sip provider require) |
| 22:52.07 | drmessano | Edeneye: Also, if you're not sending a number you own, or not in the format the provider is expecting, they will reject the CID. |
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