| 00:18:33 | Sammy | Good morning .......!! |
| 00:23:32 | erikm | good evening |
| 00:29:37 | Sammy | erikm : may I asking U a question I am curious about it ...!! |
| 00:29:56 | erikm | Sammy: shoot |
| 00:30:10 | Sammy | where is blob 2.0.1 and blob 2.0.2 .....!? |
| 00:35:51 | erikm | re |
| 00:36:17 | erikm | kicks the IRC server on nl.linux.org |
| 00:37:56 | Sammy | why is server sometime's kicks guy's out ? |
| 00:38:13 | erikm | Sammy: I think it completely broke down |
| 00:39:27 | erikm | Sammy: ah, no, the utrecht university router broke down |
| 00:39:41 | erikm | (nl.linux.org is hosted at utrecht university) |
| 00:40:42 | Sammy | sometime's kick out is happen to me ...!! |
| 00:40:46 | Sammy | how do I reconnection....!? |
| 00:41:12 | Sammy | if I am not here ....!! |
| 00:41:18 | erikm | use /server irc.servername |
| 00:41:26 | erikm | or use a client that can do auto reconnect |
| 00:41:31 | erikm | (like xchat) |
| 00:41:47 | erikm | but you had a question |
| 00:42:11 | Sammy | o o , have U heard "PIRCH98" ? |
| 00:42:28 | erikm | no |
| 00:42:52 | Sammy | where is blob 2,0,1 and blob 2.0.2 ? |
| 00:43:18 | Sammy | why is from 1.0.9 jump to 2.0.3 ? |
| 00:43:21 | erikm | that were no official releases |
| 00:43:36 | erikm | to avoid confusion we decided to jump to 2.0.3 |
| 00:45:26 | Sammy | oh , just curious about that how U definiction version ? |
| 00:48:24 | erikm | Sammy: the complete story is in the RELEASE-NOTES |
| 00:48:58 | Sammy | oh ~? |
| 00:53:38 | erikm | goes home |
| 00:53:39 | erikm | bye |
| 00:58:11 | Sammy | start.s |
| 00:59:02 | Sammy | look all around in start.s |
| 02:34:04 | Sammy | hi !! BZFlag....! |
| 07:00:02 | Sammy | BZFlag : the dongles for tuxscreen is make by U or some company ? |
| 07:00:24 | Russ | homebrew |
| 07:00:34 | Russ | well, half and half |
| 07:00:46 | Russ | the part with the chip is made by "some company" |
| 07:01:09 | Russ | mine is 100% homebrew though |
| 08:29:19 | Sammy | if tuxscreen without any os , it can use just like phone ? |
| 08:39:43 | Russ | it comes with inferno |
| 08:43:52 | Sammy | ? |
| 09:00:16 | Sammy | BZFlag : help me to explan what Russ say ? or what am asking ? |
| 09:10:20 | BZFlag | Sammy: Inferno is another OS. It is installed on the TuxScreen. It has a web browser, email apps etc. It is not open source, but the source is available from vitanouvo |
| 09:16:45 | Sammy | ohhh....Thanx , because U know my English is not good enough ...and checkkey word "inferon" mean's hell, so confuse me |
| 09:17:12 | Sammy | er |
| 09:17:23 | Sammy | inferno |
| 09:18:48 | Sammy | so it must with some os to run the phone , if I call tuxscreen is a same as smart phone , is thst right ? |
| 09:53:28 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 09:54:21 | Sammy | is more interesting in it |
| 09:54:25 | BZFlag | Inferno is on the computer portion of the TuxScreen. The actual phone hw is a DSP. Inferno (or Linux) can interface with the DSP and detect ring events, caller ID, etc. |
| 09:55:07 | BZFlag | pcmcia is working now. ;-) I'm pinging another box from the phone. |
| 09:56:09 | Sammy | that's greet and magical |
| 09:56:22 | Sammy | er |
| 09:57:04 | Sammy | great |
| 16:09:22 | | privet, erikm |
| 16:09:22 | erikm | hi |
| 16:39:20 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 16:42:39 | erikm | afternoon :) |
| 16:42:51 | erikm | get rid of trampoline.... |
| 16:50:15 | Russ|werk | yah, jeez |
| 16:50:20 | Russ|werk | cut out the fat |
| 16:50:24 | Russ|werk | damned bloatware |
| 16:50:51 | Russ|werk | who wants simplicity when you could save 4 bytes |
| 16:51:02 | erikm | 8 bytes |
| 16:51:04 | erikm | :) |
| 17:12:11 | Russ|werk | tell him to send you a patch |
| 17:14:08 | erikm | trampoline is just convenience. in that way you don't have to bother how your C code looks like |
| 17:14:25 | erikm | a little bit of convenience for just 8 bytes |
| 17:14:42 | Russ|werk | I know |
| 17:15:11 | Russ|werk | I wanted to see what he would come up with so that it would go straight form the assembly, to C code in another section |
| 17:16:02 | erikm | oh, that's doable, you just have to guarantee that main() is the first function |
| 17:16:23 | Russ|werk | right, I just don't like a smart ass |
| 17:16:47 | erikm | but then the next guy will come up and put a function in front of main() and it doesn't work anymore |
| 17:17:06 | erikm | and we will end up with trampoline.c which will just call main() |
| 19:25:35 | erikm | hrmpf. that should explain |
| 19:25:45 | erikm | IMHO rmk should switch to -ac ASAP |
| 19:33:49 | Russ|werk | me too |
| 19:33:58 | Russ|werk | I could care less about VM though |
| 19:34:43 | Russ|werk | although, if he does want to integrate more with alan, he's making more work for alan |
| 19:35:26 | erikm | Russ|werk: might be, but linus accepts patches from a handful of people: alan cox, al viro, etc. integration with linus would go as fast |
| 19:36:42 | Russ|werk | I suppose with alan, cpufreq stuff from other arches could get combined faster |
| 19:37:05 | Russ|werk | so its more of a standardized interface to that across arches |
| 19:37:10 | Russ|werk | same with fb |
| 19:37:21 | erikm | cpufreq is already standardised accros archs |
| 19:37:33 | erikm | the same api works for arm and i386 |
| 19:41:34 | erikm | for i386 it supports amd k6+, intel speedstep, and some kind of cyrix cpu |
| 19:42:40 | Russ|werk | do you think integrating cpufreq with power management is a userspace issue? |
| 19:44:48 | erikm | what do you mean with power management? |
| 19:44:53 | erikm | acpi? |
| 19:45:17 | Russ|werk | no, in general, the task of reducing power consumption |
| 19:45:23 | erikm | (and acpi table parsing should *definately* done in user space) |
| 19:45:41 | Russ|werk | should the reduction of cpu speed to lower power usage be done in kernel, or userspace |
| 19:45:45 | erikm | oh, yes, the power management policy clearly belongs to userland |
| 19:45:58 | erikm | the kernel should only implement the mechanisms |
| 19:46:29 | erikm | and with the cpufreq stuff it just does that: it only gives you a mechanism to switch the cpu frequency |