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08:30:12mmattenhi
08:57:47seletzhi all
09:02:57Sammyhowdy seletz :)
10:07:18seletz_grrr
10:07:32seletz_network hiccups
10:08:26seletz_I've added a BLOB FAQ section on my web page. Perhaps that will help some people on the LAK list...
10:08:58seletz_URL: http://www.eletztrick.de it's in the FAQ section.
10:09:14seletz_comments welcome :)
10:09:31seletz_(and contributions too :P)
10:21:50seletz_ff
11:47:38amruthahai seletz!!
11:48:32amruthahad a clarification to be made..
12:49:15seletzhi
12:49:21seletzis back
14:16:07amruthaseletz: you there?
14:34:50seletzyup
15:30:28seletzprpplague: hi
15:39:13prpplagueseletz: morning
16:05:49seletzprpplague: still interested in sa1110 based boards?
16:10:22prpplagueseletz: ya, why you got a couple?
16:12:10seletzone moment pls
16:16:08prpplaguewaits
16:16:59seletzprpplague: no, but I'm thinking about building some :)
16:18:58prpplagueseletz: i'm gaming
16:19:25prpplagueseletz: i'm just now learning so anything i could do to get in on it would be great
16:20:05seletzprpplague: pardon me?
16:20:53prpplagueseletz: oops, i meant "i'm game" what kinda boards are you looking to build?
16:21:51seletzprpplague: well, base board sa1110 w/o sa1111 tiny. then extension boards, and maybe some sort of carrier board.
16:22:24prpplagueseletz: sounds great
16:22:32prpplagueseletz: target cost for the base board?
16:22:32seletzprpplague: those extension boards could be some NICs, or parallel ports, or serial ports
16:23:13seletzprpplague: well, that depends on what ppl are willing to pay :^)
16:23:33prpplaguegotcha
16:23:56prpplagueseletz: i'm wiling to pay $39.95, what will that get me?lol
16:24:37prpplagueseletz: ok so what kinda specs are you talking on the base board?
16:25:39seletzprpplague: SA1111, flash, RAM, CF slot. Serial port. Base connector to carrier board or sandwitch-type extension boards.
16:26:15seletzprpplague: all gpios accessible through connectors.
16:26:34seletzs/SA1111/SA1110/ :(
16:27:26prpplagueseletz: what about leaving the CF off, and creating an addon board to support pcmcia or cf?
16:28:50seletzprpplague: well, that would need a SA1111 on that board (due to PCMCIA). SA1110 has CF builtin. Could place the connector on the carrier board tho. Or make a _simple_ extension board.
16:30:07seletzprpplague: really depends on what customers need. The idea is to have a base CPU board which is just enough to get Linux running.
16:30:31seletzprpplague: and to have all GPIO signals accessible.
16:32:27prpplagueseletz: what about using  a clpd6722 for pcmcia on a secondary board?
16:33:41seletzprpplague: this would mean that one cannot use the linux/drivers/sa1111-generic.c
16:34:03seletzprpplague: but well, if one would request that ...
16:34:25seletzprpplague: your idea is to get rid of the buggy SA1111?
16:35:16prpplagueseletz: just tossing around ideas
16:36:24seletzprpplague: the point is: Once you have a CPU board that runs linux, everything else can attached afterwards. Get simple parts of hardware which can be debugged separate.
16:40:01prpplagueseletz: agreed, its just that pcmcia is such a big portion of the items i work with
16:41:12seletzgoogleing
16:44:34seletzprpplague: so PCMCIA is a must-have for you?
16:45:51prpplagueseletz: not a must, but definetly a +
16:46:35seletzprpplague: ok, so a add-on board will do.
16:48:19seletzprpplague: ok, now let's assume that you'd get a CPU board with flash, ram dan serial I/O, and a PCMCIA add-on board. How many of these would you probably need?
16:50:20prpplagueseletz: assuming we could easily create a case and add a lcd/ts all less than $1k  we could probably move around 500-100 per year
16:50:27prpplague500-1000 that is
16:51:16prpplaguemore if we market it right
16:52:26seletzprpplague: ok, good. I'll contact some people and we'll look further.
16:53:40seletzprpplague: btw, that was about hardware. Do you need a running linux? What about drivers (PCMCIA, LCD, NICs)?
16:55:08prpplagueseletz: the company i work for is unlikely to pay for drivers. they'd want to use the in-house resources for that
16:55:30prpplagueseletz: our big thing is production of hardware
16:55:50seletzprpplague: ok, fine. Basic linux support is needed tho?
16:56:31prpplagueseletz: we'd hope that linux was running on the board, but if not we can work on that as well
16:57:04seletzwell, ok.
16:57:08prpplagueseletz: hang on let me get a url
16:57:13seletzfine :)
16:58:49prpplagueseletz: http://home.intermec.com/eprise/main/Intermec/Content/Products/Products_ShowDetail?section=Products&Product=CMPTR700&Category=CMPTR&Family=CMPTR2
16:59:06prpplagueseletz: we need something like that without the $3k price tag
16:59:17seletzlooking
17:00:30prpplagueseletz: if you ca build that you'll make a million in the accounting/inventory/warehousing inductry
17:00:38prpplagueindustry
17:00:54seletzgot you.
17:00:58seletzi see .....
17:02:12prpplagueseletz: i've tried to get intermec to work with me, but they aren't interested in "hobby o/s's"
17:02:20prpplaguei.e.linux
17:02:50seletzprpplague: these things are $3k _each_? Base package, no bloetooth i assume?
17:03:02seletzs/bloe/blue/
17:03:14seletzthey're cute, tho.
17:03:25prpplagueseletz: and no software
17:03:31prpplagueseletz: the software is extra
17:03:36seletzargl??
17:03:43seletzwhoops
17:03:47seletz$++
17:03:51prpplagueseletz: i.e. os, terminal app, tcp/ip support
17:04:02seletz_grin_
17:04:14seletzok, let's beat them
17:04:38prpplagueseletz: when all is said and done to get everything you need your talking $5-6k
17:04:55prpplagueseletz: sounds good to me
17:05:31prpplagueseletz: so how about i do a write up of what kind of hw requirements we need?
17:05:52seletzprpplague: i even know people who make rapid-prototyping cases on a under 1000 unit base...
17:06:07prpplagueseletz: that would be awesome
17:06:19seletzprpplague: yes, please. url: http://www.eletztrick.de
17:06:48prpplaguebookmarks
17:06:57seletzprpplague: this is my low-content big-style web-page (as of now)
17:07:15prpplagueseletz: you've seen my page right?
17:07:25prpplagueseletz: http://www.abcsinc.com/small-linux
17:07:36prpplagueseletz: soon to be http://www.small-linux.com
17:07:44prpplagueseletz: talk about big style!lol
17:07:55seletzbookmarking and back-linking
17:08:41seletzlol
17:08:51seletzget registered! get free beer!
17:09:21prpplaguefree beer? where?
17:09:23prpplaguelol
17:11:31seletzprpplague: ok, serious: That's definitely worth looking further into. Are there any competitors in the market you know of?
17:14:20prpplagueseletz: symbol and intermec are the only two that are producing that type of product and they are all over $2000
17:14:30prpplagueseletz: base price
17:14:45seletzok
17:14:47seletzgood
17:16:52seletzcalling some ppl
17:17:51prpplaguestarts specs
17:22:29seletzok, i only got a mobile box, but left a detailed message. I'll get a call during this evening.
17:22:49seletzgetting caffeine
17:37:17seletzboo
17:42:35prpplagueekk
17:53:29seletzare you alive?
17:53:50seletznetwork hiccups
18:19:59prpplagueseletz: ya still here
18:20:15prpplagueseletz: boss i hammering me about wm for aquapad
18:36:16seletzprpplague: btw, do you know what's up with erik?
18:36:25erikm was last seen on #blob 20 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: prpplague: (that's what somebody on the LART list told) [Sun Mar 10 21:59:36 2002]
18:36:25seletzibot: seen erikm?
18:53:24prpplagueseletz: no why? i talked a little with him saturday
18:54:28seletzprpplague: ah, ok... last week he was'nt around often. Just curious.
18:57:40prpplagueseletz:  i think he was putting on a dog and pony show for someone
19:28:12seletzok, i'm off now
19:28:26seletzgetting some rest

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