| 09:39:52 | Harlekin | oyy: ping |
| 19:59:21 | oyy | Harlekin: hi |
| 19:59:26 | oyy | edd: hello |
| 19:59:26 | Harlekin | hey |
| 19:59:34 | Harlekin | oyy: some bluez questions |
| 19:59:48 | oyy | Harlekin: :-) I am becoming a BlueZ profy |
| 19:59:51 | Harlekin | cool |
| 19:59:52 | Harlekin | so |
| 19:59:55 | edd | hola. |
| 19:59:59 | Harlekin | is there a decent proc interface planed |
| 20:00:14 | edd | returns from barcelona travels. |
| 20:00:24 | oyy | besides /proc/bluetooth/l2cap ? |
| 20:00:31 | Harlekin | yes |
| 20:00:37 | Harlekin | since thats pretty empty |
| 20:00:45 | Harlekin | like if device is up or not |
| 20:00:49 | Harlekin | etc |
| 20:00:55 | Harlekin | then b) |
| 20:00:55 | oyy | I am not even on the development team :-) And what is more important, I am not proficient in kernel programming |
| 20:01:08 | Harlekin | is there a way to set signal strengh yet? |
| 20:01:41 | oyy | are there any relevant Bluetooth Spec 1.1 HCI commands? |
| 20:02:03 | oyy | I heard about Read RSSI |
| 20:02:12 | oyy | but this is not what you want |
| 20:02:47 | Harlekin | actually it should be possible to modify signal strengh |
| 20:02:56 | Harlekin | by changing the frequency |
| 20:03:03 | Harlekin | then c) |
| 20:03:12 | oyy | saw a comparison of signal strength increase with the arms race: everyone becomes louder to the point nobody can hear each other |
| 20:03:14 | Harlekin | what about bluetooth multiple point network |
| 20:03:58 | oyy | Harlekin: multipoint mode is supported at least by Ericsson P4D and R1A chips |
| 20:04:17 | oyy | also by Red-M Blade for Palm V |
| 20:04:20 | Harlekin | there is that network in the blueooth protocoll |
| 20:04:35 | oyy | Harlekin: sure |
| 20:04:43 | Harlekin | i think the software for linux is still missing |
| 20:04:57 | Harlekin | pan |
| 20:05:00 | Harlekin | is in cvs |
| 20:05:04 | Harlekin | but, is it working? |
| 20:05:52 | Harlekin | for a pda that would be close to the most interesting feature |
| 20:05:56 | oyy | Harlekin: multipoint mode is made possible by the HCI Role Change command and other similar connection parameter |
| 20:05:57 | Harlekin | except the obex |
| 20:06:18 | Harlekin | oyy: actually i was more interestes in the pan itself |
| 20:06:24 | Harlekin | oyy: multiple or not |
| 20:06:25 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:06:42 | oyy | Harlekin: I see. I haven't tried PAN yet, sorry :-( |
| 20:08:49 | oyy | edd: was it hot there? |
| 20:09:32 | edd | oyy: yes, very nice indeed |
| 20:09:38 | oyy | :-) |
| 20:09:55 | Harlekin | edd: where you normally from? |
| 20:10:00 | edd | the UK |
| 20:12:50 | oyy | is bewildered with the pranks of the MZ104 boards USB OHCI controller and/or BlueZ stack |
| 20:14:26 | oyy | as soon I start playing video clips on a handheld, the USB Bluetooth chip on the access point gets disconnected from the controller! |
| 20:15:20 | oyy | this is a punishment for my arrogance to kernel programming |
| 20:16:17 | Harlekin | oyy: how do you connect |
| 20:16:19 | Harlekin | rfcomm? |
| 20:16:24 | oyy | wonders is upgrading to 2.4.19-pre8 would help. Or may be 2.5.17 |
| 20:16:55 | oyy | Harlekin: yes, I connect over PPP/RFCOMM, but how can that cause sporadic USB disconnects |
| 20:17:05 | oyy | s/is/if |
| 20:19:03 | oyy | the access point runs Linux 2.4.17-pre8 |
| 20:20:03 | oyy | is "zero size USB packet" just a cure for some misbehaved Bluetooth chips or a more generic option? |
| 20:20:30 | Harlekin | oyy: ah you said that you did not try pan yet |
| 20:21:12 | oyy | Harlekin: I'd better did |
| 20:21:57 | oyy | but we don't have PAN clients yet |
| 20:22:17 | Harlekin | me not either |
| 20:22:19 | oyy | and I am not willing to put Linux on iPAQ |
| 20:22:21 | Harlekin | and its not on ipaq yet |
| 20:22:25 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 20:22:31 | Harlekin | i have it |
| 20:22:35 | Harlekin | since longer time |
| 20:23:13 | oyy | Harlekin: you've set up Linux on iPAQ? |
| 20:23:19 | Harlekin | sure |
| 20:23:23 | Harlekin | since 1 year now |
| 20:23:33 | oyy | Harlekin: is there a virtual keyoard application in Linux for iPAQ? |
| 20:23:48 | Harlekin | sure |
| 20:23:49 | Harlekin | several |
| 20:23:54 | Harlekin | in opie |
| 20:23:57 | Harlekin | normal and jumpx |
| 20:24:04 | Harlekin | and handwriting |
| 20:24:11 | oyy | and they are driven by some touch screen driver? |
| 20:24:30 | Harlekin | with the pen |
| 20:24:35 | Harlekin | you tab on the screen |
| 20:24:40 | Harlekin | if that is what you mean |
| 20:24:41 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 20:25:04 | oyy | I see, so there is sort of touch screen device driver for Linux |
| 20:26:11 | Harlekin | sure |
| 20:26:17 | oyy | we have HP Jornada 540 and iPAQ 3600 in the office |
| 20:26:21 | Harlekin | its fully functional |
| 20:26:31 | Harlekin | jornada is in the work |
| 20:26:44 | Harlekin | compaq has its own ipaq/linux team |
| 20:26:56 | oyy | Harlekin: is special cable required to get to the serial port of iPAQ or the usual USB cable already can do that? |
| 20:27:02 | Harlekin | and now due the merger they are working on journada too |
| 20:27:05 | Harlekin | which will die |
| 20:27:20 | Harlekin | oyy: usb only cradle? |
| 20:27:25 | Harlekin | thats one difficulty |
| 20:27:34 | oyy | Harlekin: I guess I have a USB only cradle |
| 20:27:40 | Harlekin | for initial installation you will need a serial connection |
| 20:27:50 | Harlekin | or a cf and jacket |
| 20:28:18 | oyy | Harlekin: huh? but I was able to reflash PocketPC 2002 even after it stopped responding! does this mean the bootloader can talk USB? |
| 20:28:29 | Harlekin | no |
| 20:28:35 | Harlekin | it cannot yet |
| 20:28:39 | Harlekin | serial oder cf |
| 20:29:33 | oyy | Harlekin: I saw an advertisement of a universal USB/serial cable for iPAQ. Is such a thing possible? |
| 20:29:59 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 20:30:13 | Harlekin | you could get a serial cable on ebay |
| 20:30:16 | Harlekin | but you can install |
| 20:30:22 | Harlekin | if you have a cf jacket |
| 20:30:35 | Harlekin | because later you can connect to the desktop via usb |
| 20:30:42 | Harlekin | once linux is running on the ipaq |
| 20:31:02 | oyy | Harlekin: the serial cable should be connected to CF jack? |
| 20:31:11 | Harlekin | nono |
| 20:31:18 | Harlekin | there are cf jackets for ipaq |
| 20:31:27 | Harlekin | so you can use cfs with your ipaq |
| 20:32:15 | oyy | Harlekin: thanks :-) |
| 20:32:30 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:32:36 | oyy | feels well fed with information |
| 20:32:43 | Harlekin | so you switch teh bootloaders |
| 20:32:48 | Harlekin | you do that under wince |
| 20:32:58 | Harlekin | and secure your wince to desktop hd |
| 20:33:01 | Harlekin | then you reboot |
| 20:33:09 | Harlekin | and it will boot wince again |
| 20:33:15 | Harlekin | until you flash linux on it |
| 20:33:28 | Harlekin | that can be done via a root image on a cf |
| 20:33:38 | Harlekin | which is even a lot faster then via serial |
| 20:33:57 | oyy | I see, a root image on a CF memory card |
| 20:35:02 | oyy | is confused with PocketPC 2002 Connection Manager |
| 20:35:17 | Harlekin | and in bootloader there is a key |
| 20:35:19 | oyy | apparently there is no way to explicitly activate VPN |
| 20:35:21 | Harlekin | which you press then |
| 20:35:35 | Harlekin | but better you ask some guys on #handhelds.org |
| 20:35:39 | Harlekin | that allready did that |
| 20:35:41 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 20:35:45 | Harlekin | i allways use serial |