| 14:10:17 | thom | afternoon edd |
| 14:10:52 | edd | hey :) |
| 14:11:04 | edd | how're you doing |
| 14:11:57 | thom | pretty good, bar the huge backlog of pending tasks :) you? how's the dolphin? |
| 14:12:10 | edd | it's not bad thanks. |
| 14:12:29 | edd | i'm busy cleaning it down before moving services. |
| 14:12:44 | edd | not a qmail fan |
| 14:13:06 | edd | pretty happy so far, though. |
| 14:14:35 | thom | also not a qmail fan, but getting used to it |
| 14:14:45 | thom | cool |
| 14:15:03 | edd | all that 'supervise' stuff is highly tenacious :) |
| 14:15:18 | thom | we just got a request for one with apache2 on, which might be entertaining |
| 14:15:29 | edd | well, you're the man there, eh? |
| 14:15:51 | thom | heh, yeah. strange that ;) I like the concept of supervise, it's just the author i have problems with... |
| 14:16:34 | thom | well, so the theory goes... it'll be interesting to see how well totally fresh installs + removal of apache goes |
| 14:18:01 | edd | my install was fine apart from someone forgot to format the backup disk. |
| 14:18:16 | edd | the main disk got 100% full, full of /backup/backup/backup .. etc. |
| 14:18:25 | edd | as the mount of the backup disk failed. |
| 14:18:26 | thom | yeah, we're fixing the image now |
| 14:19:08 | edd | i'm moving away from Verio who are driving me utterly crazy |
| 14:19:13 | edd | i'll be so glad to leave them. |
| 14:19:45 | thom | that I can understand... |
| 14:21:32 | edd | my fun bluez discovery this week was that SDP finally works with my devices, so I can get on and package it. |
| 14:21:53 | edd | (as of bluez-sdp-0.5) |
| 14:22:08 | thom | rock. more to deluge ftpmasters in :) |
| 14:22:31 | edd | they're happy souls. i'll buy one beer if i ever met one. |
| 14:23:22 | thom | well, James is a cambridge-ite, so I guess if you're ever over there he wouldn't object ;) |
| 14:24:09 | edd | heh. about the one place in the world i have no reason whatever to visit. |
| 14:24:23 | edd | i went to the NTK xcom2002 thing last week, i guess there might have been some DDs there. |
| 14:25:44 | thom | i think there were. two of my colleagues went, but I was stuck on call. sounded fun |
| 14:26:51 | edd | yes. it was very crowded dark and smelly. i was in one of the 'takeitoutside' panels, so lurked in the pub opposite most of the time. |
| 14:27:06 | thom | heh, cunning |
| 14:27:44 | edd | had a good time though. chance to meet up with friends and meet most of the other people whose names but not faces i knew. |
| 14:27:56 | edd | the london new media circuit is pretty small :) |
| 14:36:43 | edd | i had my first email to the support address rejected, btw :) seems my MIME digital signature triggered some paranoid filter. |
| 14:36:59 | edd | so because my mail was _more_ trustworthy it wasn't allowed through. |
| 14:40:35 | edd | heh, paul |
| 14:40:47 | prh | anyone here any experience of using a usb bluetooth adaptor? |
| 14:40:51 | edd | yep |
| 14:40:53 | prh | 'noon edd! |
| 14:41:25 | prh | I've got a cheapie called "Bluetake" - works under windows - what would I need to do to make it work with linux? |
| 14:41:43 | edd | any idea what chipset's in it? |
| 14:41:50 | edd | have you looked at the hw compatibiltiy list? |
| 14:41:56 | prh | nope - theres a sticker over a screw. sigh |
| 14:42:07 | prh | not yet |
| 14:42:20 | Harlekin | edd: for debian? |
| 14:43:02 | edd | harlekin, sorry, i've lost the context of your comment |
| 14:43:23 | edd | prh, if it's a CSR chipset it'll likely work with bluez |
| 14:43:29 | prh | Bus 001 Device 031: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio Ltd. |
| 14:43:33 | edd | it is. |
| 14:43:34 | prh | like that you mean :O) |
| 14:43:39 | Harlekin | 16:25 < edd> my fun bluez discovery this week was that SDP finally works with my devices, so I can get |
| 14:43:42 | Harlekin | on and package it. |
| 14:43:43 | prh | idVendor 0x0a12 Cambridge Silicon Radio Ltd. |
| 14:43:43 | prh | idProduct 0x0001 |
| 14:43:43 | prh | bcdDevice 1.84 |
| 14:43:58 | edd | prh, so just follow the normal installation instructions. |
| 14:44:01 | prh | guess it means hacking the bluez kernel module to put the usb id's in? |
| 14:44:05 | edd | harlekin, yes, for debian |
| 14:44:13 | edd | perh, oh it doesn't recognize it? |
| 14:44:14 | Harlekin | edd: you allready to the utils deb? |
| 14:44:20 | edd | harlekn, yes. |
| 14:44:20 | Harlekin | do |
| 14:44:25 | Harlekin | k, i use them |
| 14:44:33 | edd | neat, a customer :) |
| 14:44:40 | Harlekin | cool, then I do not have to compile sdp anymore myself |
| 14:44:47 | Harlekin | edd: and timeframe for unstable? |
| 14:44:57 | prh | edd: two. theres me too. |
| 14:45:21 | edd | harlekin, well the bluez-utils package should be hitting unstable real soon now. |
| 14:45:26 | Harlekin | cool |
| 14:45:28 | edd | thom's sponsoring my packages in. |
| 14:45:34 | Harlekin | and nic? |
| 14:45:59 | edd | that's last on my list. i plan to attack sdp first. |
| 14:46:15 | Harlekin | sure |
| 14:46:19 | Harlekin | more important |
| 14:46:38 | edd | wishes somebody would give rfcommd more attention |
| 14:46:38 | Harlekin | and please make a new utils deb with latest hciattach from cvs |
| 14:46:41 | Harlekin | ..-) |
| 14:46:44 | Harlekin | ah |
| 14:46:48 | Harlekin | rfcomm before nic too |
| 14:46:55 | edd | as in marcel's rfcomm? |
| 14:46:58 | edd | or the rfcommd. |
| 14:46:58 | prh | how easy is it to do a net connection to a windows bt box? |
| 14:47:14 | oyy | found the channel number in sdptool add --channel=X DUN is ignored |
| 14:47:19 | edd | prh, presuming you're using PPP pretty easy. |
| 14:47:24 | oyy | it this true |
| 14:47:37 | edd | prh, use rfcommd in client mode. |
| 14:49:11 | edd | oyy, i'm unsure. i can believe it. sdptool/sdpd is still very new stuff |
| 14:49:46 | oyy | edd: i was able to get by with this, i only adjusted rfcommd.conf to RFCOMM channel 1 |
| 14:49:55 | Harlekin | http://handhelds.org/scap/toflip.cgi?fn=port.24590.png |
| 14:50:14 | edd | oyy, lol. |
| 14:50:24 | prh | is rfcommd working well these days? (been using rfcomm quite happilly for a few weeks) |
| 14:50:43 | edd | prh, some people still having timeout problems |
| 14:50:48 | Harlekin | i have |
| 14:50:52 | prh | hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1/1, assigned device number 33 |
| 14:50:53 | prh | bluetooth.c: found interrupt in |
| 14:50:53 | prh | bluetooth.c: found bulk out |
| 14:50:53 | prh | bluetooth.c: found bulk in |
| 14:50:53 | prh | bluetooth.c: USB Bluetooth converter detected |
| 14:50:53 | prh | bluetooth.c: Bluetooth converter now attached to ttyUB0 (or usb/ttub/0 for devfs) |
| 14:50:58 | edd | but i think 2.4.19 USB updates might address those, according to mailing list. |
| 14:50:59 | Harlekin | when more data goes tough |
| 14:51:03 | Harlekin | it collapses |
| 14:51:15 | Harlekin | and only replugging the dongle helps |
| 14:51:18 | edd | prh, uh-oh, you need to remove old bluetoothmodule. |
| 14:51:21 | prh | edd: cool |
| 14:51:23 | Harlekin | and restartign rfcomm |
| 14:51:35 | prh | edd: ah. this is a 2.4.18... |
| 14:51:48 | prh | oops no it's 2.4.19-pre8-ac1-u0513base-fp |
| 14:51:48 | edd | prh, yes, still need to install bluez modules yourself. |
| 14:52:41 | edd | harlekin, nice. is that from your handheld? |
| 14:52:59 | Harlekin | yes |
| 14:53:06 | Harlekin | scanning works |
| 14:53:09 | Harlekin | adding |
| 14:53:20 | Harlekin | service browsing today |
| 14:53:21 | edd | you're writing this tool? |
| 14:53:24 | edd | neat. |
| 14:53:25 | Harlekin | yes |
| 14:53:35 | Harlekin | then connection with other apps tomorrow |
| 14:53:35 | edd | does it use the Qt toolkit? |
| 14:53:37 | Harlekin | yes |
| 14:53:40 | Harlekin | if an opie app |
| 14:53:43 | edd | aha. |
| 14:53:54 | edd | i started writing something a bit like this for GNOME 2, but ran out of time. |
| 14:55:02 | Harlekin | marcel holtman does allready i think |
| 14:55:35 | edd | yeah, saw his GTK i/f |
| 14:55:43 | edd | i had in mind something a little more user-focused. |
| 14:55:57 | edd | but as i said, ran out of time :/ |
| 14:56:32 | edd | http://heddley.com/edd/2002/05/03/btexp.png |
| 14:56:44 | edd | only a month and a half ago? crumbs. seems like longe.r |
| 14:57:06 | edd | it was as much a learning exercise about writing multithreaded GNOME2 apps as anything else. |
| 14:57:26 | edd | wow, busy today. |
| 14:57:42 | prh | Ng: you following me? |
| 14:57:42 | Ng | anyone know if the TDK bluetooth card is supported in Linux? |
| 14:57:48 | Ng | prh: no ;) |
| 14:58:14 | edd | Ng, I have a TDK USB dongle, which works well... but not the PCMCIA card. |
| 14:58:21 | edd | best go see marcel's compatibility list. |
| 14:58:28 | Ng | just that it's the cheapest I've found so far :) |
| 14:58:51 | edd | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/devices.html |
| 14:58:52 | thom | edd: (belatedly) yeah, we drop attachments. I'll talk to nick about detecting sigs properly... |
| 14:59:26 | edd | Ng, says TDK card not tested. |
| 14:59:32 | edd | I have a Xircom one works just fine. |
| 14:59:39 | Ng | hmm, ok. time to trawl google in that case :) |
| 14:59:40 | Ng | thanks |
| 15:03:08 | Ng | the Xircom RealPort2 or Armadillo ones both look good price/support wise |
| 15:03:24 | Ng | so now it all just comes down to being able to get a decent Bluetooth mobile phone and a decent GPRS tariff |
| 15:03:57 | edd | lol, decent GPRS tariff? |
| 15:04:01 | edd | dies laughing |
| 15:04:32 | Ng | yeah, I've been beating my head against the wall for months so that the monthly pain of my GPRS bills will be comparably insignificant ;) |
| 15:04:58 | edd | grps is fine if you only ever use it for IRC and WAP |
| 15:07:32 | prh | what networks are you guys using? |
| 15:07:40 | thom | Ng: the T68i is a pretty nice phone |
| 15:07:56 | edd | has an r520m on Voda |
| 15:08:15 | edd | when i went to spain recently it even did roaming GPRS, i was impressed. |
| 15:08:19 | thom | (on BTCellnet^WO2) |
| 15:09:02 | Ng | yeah, I'm thinking about a t68, but it's a bit expensive, 6310 would be a bit easier on the wallet |
| 15:09:13 | Ng | but if I stay with Orange it's t39 or t68 only |
| 15:09:20 | Ng | and the t39 is fugly ;) |
| 15:09:41 | thom | nokias have attrocious build quality right now |
| 15:10:18 | edd | is amused at the T68, the UI looks like Windows 3.1 |
| 15:11:41 | Ng | apart from that stupid camera and being SonyEricsson instead of Ericsson, is there any difference betwixt y68 and t68i? |
| 15:12:02 | prh | software is much better |
| 15:12:17 | Ng | yeah? damn |
| 15:12:26 | Ng | Orange aren't getting the t68i for a little while yet |
| 15:12:37 | prh | think of the t68 as the 1.0 release and the t68i the 1.1 (ie what the t68 should have been) |
| 15:12:50 | prh | Ng: orange are selling the i now - saw one today |
| 15:12:55 | prh | I think |
| 15:12:56 | thom | nokia centres can upgrade firmware on T68s to t68i |
| 15:13:01 | prh | yea |
| 15:13:03 | Ng | bastards, they told me it was gonna be a few more weeks |
| 15:13:23 | thom | is gonna get his done at the weekend |
| 15:21:10 | prh | which is the cheapest network for gprs? |
| 15:22:40 | Ng | none of them ;) |
| 15:24:09 | prh | oh least expensive :O) |
| 15:24:54 | Ng | I did some rough comparisons and Vodafone/Orange came out roughly equal cheapest, but since they all have multiple packages, YMMV :) |
| 15:25:10 | thom | voda have a pretty cheap account. orange and cellnet are pretty evil, and one2one are pretty much a joke however you look at it :) |
| 15:25:12 | prh | yea |
| 15:32:27 | Ng | bleh, changing phone means I'll have to do my entire phonebook again :( |
| 15:33:21 | thom | Ng: save phonebook to sim? |
| 15:33:35 | Ng | and lose most of the information in it? ;) |
| 15:34:07 | edd | dump it via OBEX somewhere then reupload it. |
| 15:34:18 | edd | remembers another program he hasn't yet written, doh. |
| 15:34:39 | Ng | I have a 7110 at the moment, so if I save the phonebook to sim it will lose information |
| 15:35:05 | edd | doesn't know what a 7110 has in it. can you access it via IrOBEX or something? |
| 15:35:26 | Ng | dunno, don't have any IrDA stuff other than my iPAQ |
| 15:35:30 | edd | if so, i suspect there are tools you can use on a PC/linux box to download your address book. |
| 15:36:05 | Ng | I could nab a windows laptop off someone and exchange it all via IrDA I guess |
| 18:12:20 | edd | really thinks dinner time is here |
| 18:12:41 | thom | edd: alright for some |
| 18:12:46 | thom | is still at work |
| 18:13:15 | edd | heh. i work from home. which means i tend to work more than i should anyway :) |
| 18:14:02 | thom | heh. I can't work from home... just tend to doss around during the day and end up working at like midnight, which really doesn't work :) |
| 19:08:48 | edd | you're a busy man :) |
