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| 00:29.50 | Gnurdux | Chatterbot Hello Gnurdux, my name is Chatterbot. Please use my name when asking me questions. Also Please vote for me @ www.chatterboxchallenge.com |
| 00:29.54 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 00:30.00 | Gnurdux | bots should speak only when spoken too here |
| 00:31.26 | Botmaster | Yea |
| 00:31.34 | Botmaster | I dont know whats up |
| 00:31.44 | Botmaster | Chatterbot |
| 00:31.54 | Botmaster | Something is weird tonight |
| 00:31.58 | Botmaster | Joanbot |
| 00:31.59 | Joanbot | You can repeat things all you like, I'm just not going to listen. |
| 00:32.00 | Gnurdux | just kill him for the time being |
| 00:32.06 | Gnurdux | bye Chatterbot |
| 00:32.13 | Gnurdux | its better than being banned Botmaster |
| 00:32.39 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
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| 00:33.16 | Botmaster | x8 |
| 00:33.19 | X8 | What were we talking about again Botmaster? |
| 00:33.24 | Botmaster | Joanbot |
| 00:33.25 | Joanbot | Haven't we heard that before? |
| 00:33.33 | Botmaster | Yes we have Joanbot |
| 00:35.13 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 00:35.16 | Gandalf_the_grey | lol? |
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| 00:59.21 | Gnurdux | hi TimRiker |
| 01:01.57 | SimonRaven | TimRiker: oh, so it takes more than one i take it |
| 01:02.23 | TimRiker | huh? |
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| 01:02.33 | SimonRaven | TimRiker: i'll show you what i think it is, and tell me if it's right, ok? |
| 01:02.38 | TimRiker | ok |
| 01:02.41 | SimonRaven | TimRiker: the bot nick |
| 01:02.47 | TimRiker | ah yeah. |
| 01:03.32 | SimonRaven | set ircNick ? |
| 01:04.00 | TimRiker | set ircNick apt,ibot,jbot,purl <- what purl has. |
| 01:04.34 | SimonRaven | ah, ok. i got it. thanks. and the other settings related are similar? |
| 01:04.48 | SimonRaven | oooh, *lightbulb* |
| 01:05.23 | SimonRaven | the ircUser i can leave as is i suppose |
| 01:06.12 | SimonRaven | thanks TimRiker :) |
| 01:06.12 | bzbloot | SimonRaven: sure thing |
| 01:06.14 | TimRiker | yeah. I only support multiple nicks at present. server, password, user, etc are all the same. |
| 01:06.23 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 01:07.22 | TimRiker | ideally imho, they would be in an sql table, and you would be able to add a new connection on the fly. |
| 01:08.32 | SimonRaven | that would be nice |
| 01:08.57 | TimRiker | someday when I have some free time.... ;-) supporting multiple networks would be cool too. |
| 01:09.31 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 01:20.09 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 01:20.14 | Gandalf_the_grey | hello om |
| 01:20.16 | Gandalf_the_grey | *tom |
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| 01:21.38 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,come #Botwar |
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| 01:47.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,come #Botwar |
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| 01:50.31 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,come #Botwar |
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| 04:19.38 | KSchnee | Hello. Trane? |
| 04:20.00 | trane | hi |
| 04:20.00 | bzbloot | hi |
| 04:20.34 | trane | bzbloot piglatin hello |
| 04:20.35 | bzbloot | ellohay |
| 04:20.36 | subbot | hello |
| 04:20.56 | trane | bzbloot piglatin where is your bot |
| 04:20.58 | bzbloot | erewhay isway ouryay otbay |
| 04:21.00 | subbot | where is your bot |
| 04:21.14 | trane | bzbloot piglatin where is your bot Kris |
| 04:21.15 | bzbloot | erewhay isway ouryay otbay Iskray |
| 04:21.17 | subbot | where { is wis } your bot risk |
| 04:21.24 | trane | ugh |
| 04:21.40 | trane | subbot add Kris |
| 04:21.43 | KSchnee | bzbloot I can bring Niss online. |
| 04:21.44 | trane | subbot delete wis |
| 04:21.44 | subbot | wis has been deleted from memory. |
| 04:21.52 | trane | bzbloot piglatin where is your bot Kris |
| 04:21.54 | bzbloot | erewhay isway ouryay otbay Iskray |
| 04:21.55 | subbot | where is your bot { risk kris } |
| 04:22.04 | KSchnee | bzbloot piglatin Lost in space? |
| 04:22.06 | bzbloot | Ostlay inway acespay? |
| 04:22.10 | KSchnee | Good. |
| 04:22.32 | trane | hmm i have to add punctuation handling |
| 04:22.57 | KSchnee | All right, I can bring Niss here. This is a variation on the contest version, not the latest code, and of course it's still very primitive. |
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| 04:23.22 | KSchnee | It's also got deliberate random typos (followed by backspace chars) inserted for contest purposes. |
| 04:23.40 | trane | i'm curious if you used any linguistic type stuff in it :) |
| 04:24.26 | trane | ah yes for the "character-by-character" mode, i think it's lame that he has that |
| 04:24.59 | KSchnee | Instead of waiting for a whole response and sending it at once? Yes. It's a pointless addition. We shouldn't bother simulating typing speed! |
| 04:25.21 | trane | right i tried to argue that but got nowhere |
| 04:26.37 | *** join/#botpark Niss (n=Niss@128.143.230.42) |
| 04:26.38 | Niss | version |
| 04:26.52 | trane | hi Niss |
| 04:26.52 | Niss | I am a smart. |
| 04:27.03 | trane | what is a smart |
| 04:27.03 | Niss | I'm not sure what smart is. |
| 04:27.09 | trane | are you smart |
| 04:27.09 | Niss | I don't know. |
| 04:27.22 | KSchnee | Smart is a trait. |
| 04:27.23 | Niss | Smart is trait. |
| 04:27.30 | KSchnee | What's "smaRT?" |
| 04:27.31 | Niss | Smart is trait. Trait. |
| 04:27.38 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:27.38 | Niss | ??? |
| 04:27.41 | trane | what's a trait? |
| 04:27.41 | Niss | An idea. Trait is some ideas. |
| 04:27.46 | KSchnee | Trane is an AI programmer. |
| 04:27.47 | Niss | A trane is an ai. |
| 04:27.50 | KSchnee | Oops. |
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| 04:27.51 | Niss | Heh. |
| 04:28.02 | KSchnee | Is Trane an AI? |
| 04:28.02 | Niss | True. A trane is an ai. |
| 04:28.08 | trane | haha |
| 04:28.08 | Niss | What is a haha? |
| 04:28.16 | trane | a haha is a laugh |
| 04:28.17 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:28.17 | Niss | A haha is a laugh. |
| 04:28.17 | Niss | A pprogram requiress a computer. ??? |
| 04:28.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is niss? |
| 04:28.24 | Niss | An ai. |
| 04:28.39 | KSchnee | Are you an AI? |
| 04:28.39 | Niss | Karen aren't an ai. |
| 04:28.40 | trane | Niss do you learn? |
| 04:28.40 | Niss | I don't know. What is "learning"? |
| 04:28.46 | KSchnee | Who's Karen? |
| 04:28.46 | Niss | A person. |
| 04:29.02 | Gandalf_the_grey | Niss is a bot |
| 04:29.02 | Niss | I am a bot. |
| 04:29.04 | KSchnee | Ah. Right, Niss was "Karen" in the contest, and has a bit of a split personality then. |
| 04:29.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is niss |
| 04:29.05 | Niss | An ai and a bot. |
| 04:29.07 | Niss | I am some innocents. What is an agvh? I am a karen. |
| 04:29.15 | KSchnee | What? Are you innocent? |
| 04:29.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 04:29.16 | Niss | I'm not sure what it is. I don't know. |
| 04:29.16 | Niss | What is a -)? |
| 04:29.26 | Gandalf_the_grey | How does niss work? |
| 04:29.27 | Niss | I don't know. What is "working"? White is color. |
| 04:29.44 | trane | learning is using experience to improve your knowledge |
| 04:29.45 | Niss | If yogu hum a few bars, I can fake it. |
| 04:30.02 | KSchnee | Er, that's not gonna work. (Also you just triggered an ALICE-like canned response.) |
| 04:30.05 | Niss | An I don't know abvkout er. What is a )? |
| 04:30.14 | KSchnee | Learning is an ability. |
| 04:30.15 | Niss | A learning is an ability. |
| 04:30.19 | KSchnee | Can you learn? |
| 04:30.20 | Niss | I don't know. What is "learning"? |
| 04:30.23 | Gandalf_the_grey | So it is a sembot? |
| 04:30.24 | Niss | False. So isn't an it to a sembot. What is a so? |
| 04:30.27 | Gandalf_the_grey | Basically? |
| 04:30.27 | Niss | A tool is some things. |
| 04:30.33 | KSchnee | Shall I shut Niss up? |
| 04:30.34 | Niss | I don't know. What is "shuting"? |
| 04:30.40 | KSchnee | Are you a raccoon? |
| 04:30.41 | Niss | I disagree. Karen aren't a raccoon. |
| 04:30.42 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes |
| 04:30.42 | Niss | What is aa yes? |
| 04:30.46 | KSchnee | OK. |
| 04:30.47 | Niss | Color is trait. AAn I don't know about ok. |
| 04:30.49 | KSchnee | QUIT |
| 04:30.52 | Niss | What is a quit? |
| 04:30.55 | KSchnee | Niss QUIT |
| 04:30.56 | trane | haha! |
| 04:30.56 | Niss | I am a bot. |
| 04:30.56 | Niss | A haha is a laugh. |
| 04:30.56 | Gandalf_the_grey | ..... |
| 04:30.56 | Niss | We're going in circles. That's repetitive and redundantt. You're repeating yourself. |
| 04:31.03 | Gandalf_the_grey | ... |
| 04:31.03 | Niss | That's repetitive and redundant. You're repeating yourself. |
| 04:31.05 | trane | the bot rebels! |
| 04:31.06 | Niss | A bot is a primitive. |
| 04:31.13 | KSchnee | What's a bot? |
| 04:31.13 | R2-X4 | I am a bot |
| 04:31.13 | Niss | An ai. |
| 04:31.14 | Niss | An i is a bot. |
| 04:31.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | Somone lamer it |
| 04:31.16 | Niss | I somone not. |
| 04:31.17 | trane | Niss don't let him shut you down! |
| 04:31.17 | Niss | I am an innoceent. |
| 04:31.18 | Gandalf_the_grey | Or ope r2 |
| 04:31.19 | Niss | I ope not. |
| 04:31.21 | Gandalf_the_grey | He'll lamer it |
| 04:31.26 | trane | yes Niss you are an innocent |
| 04:31.27 | Niss | I maker a krris schnee. |
| 04:31.31 | KSchnee | Wha? |
| 04:31.32 | Niss | A tail is somezo body parts. |
| 04:31.36 | Gandalf_the_grey | I WILL LAMER YOU IF YOU DO NOT SHUT UP |
| 04:31.38 | Niss | An i wills a lamer. |
| 04:31.39 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:31.39 | Niss | ??? |
| 04:31.43 | KSchnee | OK. |
| 04:31.44 | Niss | An I don't know about ok.. |
| 04:31.44 | trane | you don't own this channel dude |
| 04:31.45 | KSchnee | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.46 | Niss | A karen is a person. |
| 04:31.46 | Niss | A nose purposes a smelling. Color is trait. |
| 04:31.52 | Gandalf_the_grey | .... |
| 04:31.52 | Niss | You're repeating yourself. You just said that. You already said that. |
| 04:31.56 | Gandalf_the_grey | How does niss work? |
| 04:31.56 | Niss | I don't know. What is "working"? |
| 04:31.58 | trane | Gandalf is just on a power trip ignore him |
| 04:32.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | Good. |
| 04:32.17 | Gandalf_the_grey | the ride is broken :-( |
| 04:32.22 | trane | :) |
| 04:32.25 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-0 |
| 04:32.34 | Gandalf_the_grey | So, how does niss work? |
| 04:32.35 | KSchnee | No, I'm messing this channel up. I think bots are only supposed to respond when addressed by name in this channel. |
| 04:32.37 | KSchnee | Hold on. |
| 04:32.49 | trane | interesting Kris. more learning than i've put together so far. |
| 04:32.55 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:33.12 | KSchnee | OK. Explanation? |
| 04:33.12 | trane | the problem is how to get your bot to learn... |
| 04:33.48 | trane | yeah give us an explanation of Niss :) |
| 04:34.06 | Gandalf_the_grey | 1. Does it use a semantic net? |
| 04:34.06 | KSchnee | I don't think "bots" should be limited to sitting in a window and waiting to entertain humans. So Niss is meant to have more of a life. |
| 04:34.18 | Gandalf_the_grey | 2. How does it derive its links from sentences? |
| 04:34.22 | Gandalf_the_grey | Prefab links? |
| 04:34.32 | Gandalf_the_grey | 3. how does it derive objects from its sentences? |
| 04:34.44 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:34.51 | KSchnee | Yes, it's using a variation on a semantic net. Yes, it's prefab here, using data from XML files that also tell it what parts of speech a word is. |
| 04:34.56 | Gandalf_the_grey | 4. Does it support modifiers? |
| 04:34.58 | trane | KSchnee: I agree, but most channels adopt the other view unfortunately |
| 04:35.01 | Gandalf_the_grey | So it has a dictionary? |
| 04:35.15 | KSchnee | From the XML files, yes. Very limited since I did it manually. |
| 04:35.27 | trane | i'm trying to make a semantic net. |
| 04:35.38 | KSchnee | It's helpful to start by looking at "Standard English" and "Basic English," two simplified English sets. |
| 04:35.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | A semantic net is pretty easy.... |
| 04:35.52 | Gandalf_the_grey | R2 is a whole lot simpler |
| 04:36.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | Just matches keywords. |
| 04:36.05 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 04:36.07 | Gandalf_the_grey | But meh. |
| 04:36.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | It was originally made as a chanbot |
| 04:36.21 | trane | i'm using a markov model right now, but i need to make the nodes objects that can be phrases with attached information instead of simply words |
| 04:36.34 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 04:36.43 | trane | for my net |
| 04:36.52 | KSchnee | Markov model? Is that the system that picks words based on what sets of words tend to come before/after each one? |
| 04:36.58 | trane | yes |
| 04:37.29 | trane | is a semantic net something specific? maybe i don't know the term |
| 04:37.31 | KSchnee | A project called "MegaHAL" tried to do that. |
| 04:37.35 | trane | right |
| 04:37.35 | KSchnee | Yes... |
| 04:37.44 | Gandalf_the_grey | And megahal seems very insane |
| 04:37.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | Or extreamly high |
| 04:37.56 | KSchnee | A semantic net stores relations between concepts by using a modifier. |
| 04:37.58 | KSchnee | For example... |
| 04:38.34 | KSchnee | A neural net might store that "baby," "eat," and "slug" are related when it processes the sentence "The baby ate the slug." But it doesn't know what ate what! |
| 04:39.00 | KSchnee | (Example swiped from Stephen Pinker.) A semantic net would store that as "Baby --Eat--> Slug." |
| 04:39.10 | KSchnee | The connection has a label to show what the relationship is. |
| 04:39.24 | trane | i see |
| 04:39.39 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 04:39.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | I would use properties |
| 04:40.00 | trane | another approach might be to use case grammar and encode that as something like (eat baby slug) |
| 04:40.10 | KSchnee | Ideally you'd also make the links reversible so that you could ask "What eats slugs?" and get "Babies." |
| 04:41.49 | trane | so it's creating the links between the concepts on the fly? |
| 04:42.13 | trane | "Color is a trait" gets encoded as Color --> trait or something |
| 04:42.16 | KSchnee | Niss, or any semantic net? |
| 04:42.19 | trane | NIss |
| 04:42.27 | KSchnee | Niss is basically doing that, Trane, for the limited class of things it can learn. |
| 04:42.41 | KSchnee | Color --Type_Of--> Trait. |
| 04:43.48 | trane | then, ideally, if you ask what is an example of a trait, it will come back with color |
| 04:44.38 | trane | interesting |
| 04:46.03 | KSchnee | Ideally. 8) |
| 04:46.06 | trane | the problems i see are the same that i have with markov models, trying to get above the level of the word |
| 04:46.32 | KSchnee | With a Markov model, it seems to me you can't get actual understanding of what people are saying, though, or express a coherent idea. |
| 04:46.41 | trane | sure |
| 04:46.50 | trane | i mean that sure is a problem :) |
| 04:47.00 | KSchnee | Since the goal of a system like that (or ALICE) is just to say _anything_ that _seems_ relevant. |
| 04:47.42 | trane | well in this piglatin to english translator i'm using the markov model as a database of accumulated knowledge |
| 04:48.06 | trane | so it tries to do a translation but because of ambiguities it can have several possible sentences |
| 04:48.32 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 04:48.34 | trane | then i compare each sentence with stored knowledge in the markov chain and if it finds a match it outputs that sentence |
| 04:48.45 | trane | for example "eamscray" could be creams or scream |
| 04:48.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | Eamscray? |
| 04:49.02 | trane | bzbloot piglatin i scream |
| 04:49.03 | bzbloot | iway eamscray |
| 04:49.04 | subbot | i { creams scream } |
| 04:49.12 | trane | subbot store i scream |
| 04:49.12 | subbot | "i scream" has been stored in the net. |
| 04:49.15 | trane | bzbloot piglatin i scream |
| 04:49.17 | bzbloot | iway eamscray |
| 04:49.18 | subbot | i scream |
| 04:49.43 | trane | so now it "sort of" knows that i scream is correct and i creams isn't |
| 04:50.22 | KSchnee | OK, that's a demonstration of learning! |
| 04:50.46 | trane | pretty simple learning, but yeah. i'm trying to figure out how to use it for something more interesting now :) |
| 04:51.43 | trane | what nationality are you by the way, just out of curiosity |
| 04:51.51 | KSchnee | American! |
| 04:52.18 | trane | ah :) you have an interesting name |
| 04:52.32 | KSchnee | Kris Schnee? I'm just not using a cool IRC name. |
| 04:52.55 | trane | yeah R2, i'm thinking the model can act similar to memorization does in humans |
| 04:53.13 | trane | it's just a part of learning |
| 04:53.27 | trane | there has to be some kind of abstraction process going on as well |
| 04:53.40 | trane | i thought you might be dutch or something |
| 04:54.27 | trane | i was thinking i could have a process that would go through the markov model that holds the stored information, and try to abstract concepts out from it |
| 04:54.47 | KSchnee | A test is whether the bot can learn to use the information it gets in a new way. For instance, Niss repeats learned info in her own grammatical format, and can even answer reasoning questions about categories. |
| 04:55.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmm. |
| 04:55.38 | trane | yeah. that grammatical format is a little leaky right now though :) |
| 04:55.53 | KSchnee | Eg, if Niss knows "metal is a material" and you add "platinum is a metal," Niss should be able to answer "Is platinum a material?" |
| 04:55.56 | KSchnee | And yes. Very yes. |
| 04:56.05 | Gandalf_the_grey | The major problem i've been having with r2 (since i'm yusing matrixbot vs sembot for its "intelelgence") |
| 04:56.11 | Gandalf_the_grey | Is that it can't tell what is a sentence, and what isn't |
| 04:56.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is a fact, and what isn't |
| 04:56.16 | KSchnee | I'd rather have Niss sound like a two-year-old than a zombie, though. |
| 04:56.38 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 04:56.38 | trane | right it does sound kind of like a child |
| 04:56.47 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmm. |
| 04:56.53 | KSchnee | That's tough. Real human language is very messy, and the Loebner judges are willing to pummel bots with that fact. |
| 04:57.02 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes |
| 04:57.07 | Gandalf_the_grey | Which is a proble |
| 04:57.10 | Gandalf_the_grey | *problem |
| 04:57.26 | trane | yeah Gandalf i've been using link grammar to try to tell what sentences are, and what their constituent parts are... |
| 04:57.28 | Gandalf_the_grey | What i'm probably going to do, is have an array of objects |
| 04:57.32 | Gandalf_the_grey | Then have an array of properties |
| 04:57.35 | Gandalf_the_grey | R2-x4:STFU |
| 04:57.38 | Gandalf_the_grey | Better |
| 04:57.47 | Gandalf_the_grey | hmm. |
| 04:57.50 | KSchnee | That's an actual command!? |
| 04:57.52 | Gandalf_the_grey | How do you do your grammer? |
| 04:57.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes. |
| 04:57.56 | Gandalf_the_grey | Grr. |
| 04:57.59 | Gandalf_the_grey | Didn't recognise it |
| 04:58.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | R2-x4: STFU |
| 04:58.04 | trane | link grammar takes care of the parsing |
| 04:58.08 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 04:58.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | How exactly do you do that? |
| 04:58.21 | KSchnee | Me? |
| 04:58.25 | trane | have you heard of that? cmu link grammar hold on i'll find the link |
| 04:58.46 | trane | http://bobo.link.cs.cmu.edu/link/ |
| 04:59.20 | trane | unfortunately it's in C so it's a little hard to get it to interact with my java or ruby bots. |
| 04:59.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-0 |
| 04:59.34 | Gandalf_the_grey | Its ok, i write my bots in vb |
| 04:59.40 | trane | haha nice ;) |
| 05:00.01 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-0 |
| 05:00.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | Nah, its just easier |
| 05:00.10 | Gandalf_the_grey | WHen you don't have all that complex grammer |
| 05:00.14 | Gandalf_the_grey | the preprocessor |
| 05:00.19 | Gandalf_the_grey | and a seriously crap debugger |
| 05:00.23 | trane | i like ruby |
| 05:00.47 | trane | K |
| 05:00.50 | trane | oops |
| 05:00.51 | KSchnee | Ruby interfered with my contest entry! |
| 05:01.03 | Gandalf_the_grey | ... |
| 05:01.05 | trane | KSchnee you use python primarily? |
| 05:01.08 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ok, i |
| 05:01.08 | trane | haha |
| 05:01.13 | Gandalf_the_grey | ''ve done something similar |
| 05:01.19 | Gandalf_the_grey | Just a simple search&replace thing |
| 05:01.19 | KSchnee | Loebner called me personally to say he couldn't make my program work. It turned out he'd put Ruby on the same machine, and that jammed it. |
| 05:01.36 | trane | interesting he had ruby on it |
| 05:01.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | For eg. I ate the cheese turns into [i][verb][singular][noun] |
| 05:01.48 | KSchnee | Python, yes. I've used some VB, C++, JavaScript etc. before. I like Python best. |
| 05:01.57 | KSchnee | Free, powerful, and easy to learn and use. |
| 05:01.58 | trane | what's he like, loebner |
| 05:02.01 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 05:02.12 | Gandalf_the_grey | I think he's a little dead? |
| 05:02.13 | KSchnee | He seemed a decent guy on the phone, and polite in e-mail. |
| 05:02.23 | Gandalf_the_grey | Didn't lobenner die? |
| 05:02.28 | Gandalf_the_grey | A rather long time ago? |
| 05:02.28 | trane | python and ruby occupy similar niches i think, they're sort of competitors :) |
| 05:02.33 | KSchnee | Reports by others say that he's not so nice, though. |
| 05:02.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | hmmm. |
| 05:02.56 | KSchnee | Unless he's somehow uploaded his mind into a machine to continue running the contest, no! |
| 05:03.22 | trane | you must be thinking of another loebner Gandalf |
| 05:03.27 | KSchnee | I met with Richard Wallace, who told me I shouldn't bring any Jewish friends to meet Loebner. |
| 05:03.34 | trane | lol |
| 05:03.58 | Gandalf_the_grey | ... |
| 05:04.18 | KSchnee | But that's hearsay. |
| 05:04.24 | trane | he seems like an independent thinker but some of his thoughts are wacky like the "character-by-character" requirement |
| 05:04.45 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes |
| 05:04.47 | KSchnee | It's his money. |
| 05:04.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | Why do they do that, anyways? |
| 05:04.52 | trane | true enough :) |
| 05:05.01 | KSchnee | I posted what I thought would be a better contest format; more like a game. |
| 05:05.35 | KSchnee | I guess it's to be close to a "pure" comparison of human vs. machine. |
| 05:05.53 | KSchnee | Heard of the Minsky addition to the prize? |
| 05:06.16 | trane | no don't think so |
| 05:06.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | Nope |
| 05:07.00 | KSchnee | Prof. Marvin Minsky, a roboticist at MIT (my school!), offered a "Minsky Loebner Prize Revocation Prize" for anyone who could get Loebner to end his contest, which he opposes. |
| 05:07.18 | trane | ah yes :) |
| 05:07.27 | KSchnee | Loebner said he'd end his contest when someone won it; therefore anyone winning it would also win Minsky's prize; therefore Minsky was his co-sponsor! |
| 05:07.27 | trane | are you still at mit? |
| 05:07.32 | KSchnee | No, I graduated. |
| 05:07.58 | trane | what major? |
| 05:08.15 | KSchnee | History, with a minor in Biology. I'd wanted to do Uplift research... |
| 05:08.31 | trane | ah not comp sci or anything, interesting |
| 05:08.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-0 |
| 05:09.06 | KSchnee | I did enter their robot contest 6.270, though. |
| 05:09.19 | trane | well my undergraduate major was classical greek so :) |
| 05:09.46 | KSchnee | So you understand difficult grammar? |
| 05:11.02 | trane | :) i've studied a few languages with quite different typologies, chinese for example is practically the opposite of classical greek |
| 05:11.33 | KSchnee | A friend of mine studied Chinese. Sounds like a very hard language, with the tones and bizzare writing system. |
| 05:11.45 | trane | the writing system is the hardest part |
| 05:12.21 | trane | the grammar is very simple, no real tenses, verbs aren't conjugated, plural forms are mostly the same as singular... |
| 05:13.11 | trane | it's as if they developed a difficult writing system to compensate :) or maybe it went the other way. |
| 05:14.00 | trane | so yeah i'm very interested in trying to incorporate linguistic information in a language understanding system. |
| 05:15.11 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 05:15.14 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ok, simple question |
| 05:15.21 | Gandalf_the_grey | How do i determine nodes vs. links? |
| 05:15.48 | KSchnee | The obvious way would be that nodes are nouns and adjectives. |
| 05:18.16 | trane | and the links are relations? like "is-a", "has-a", etc? |
| 05:18.36 | KSchnee | Typically, yes. One system made all links Three-Letter Acronyms. |
| 05:19.06 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 05:19.11 | KSchnee | Ideally you could make the links also be verb roots that you can put into sentences, too. |
| 05:19.16 | Gandalf_the_grey | Unfortunatly i don't have the luxury of a dictionary |
| 05:19.38 | trane | why not? there are a few available, i'm using a scrabble one right now :) |
| 05:20.01 | KSchnee | Eg, Niss has spontaneous dialogue based on which "scints" (nodes in the modified net) are active and describing their relationship. |
| 05:20.40 | KSchnee | Eg, you mention "bot" and that might activate "ai," which could trigger the spontaneous dialogue "A bot is an ai." |
| 05:21.58 | trane | yeah that sounds like something i would like to incorporate. i've read some case-dependency books that have a similar concept |
| 05:23.42 | KSchnee | I suggest checking out Pinker's book "The Language Instinct." |
| 05:25.22 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 05:25.40 | Gandalf_the_grey | Are all objects one word? |
| 05:26.02 | KSchnee | With Niss, unfortunately yes, except for some long_entries like names. |
| 05:26.39 | KSchnee | Oh, one feature on the order of the typos -- accents. You can run output through a simple filter to do things like contractions and slang. |
| 05:26.43 | KSchnee | Input, too. |
| 05:26.58 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 05:27.10 | Gandalf_the_grey | Find & replace |
| 05:27.37 | KSchnee | So future robots _won't_ say that "I can not use contractions." Yes, just find/replace. But you have to watch out for whole words vs. parts of words. |
| 05:27.54 | KSchnee | If a slang filter has "very" --> "really," then "every" --> "ereally." Oops. |
| 05:28.29 | KSchnee | And bear in mind that applying one filter can mess up another, eg. contractions should probably go last. |
| 05:28.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 05:29.01 | Gandalf_the_grey | I shove spaces around each word while checking |
| 05:29.09 | Gandalf_the_grey | " very" is turned into " every" |
| 05:29.19 | Gandalf_the_grey | "really" doesn't match " very " |
| 05:29.48 | KSchnee | Good. Can that handle "Every?" like that? Or "-every-"? Or an abusive judge's "My name is s t e p h e n"? |
| 05:30.53 | KSchnee | I've been focusing lately on trying to build a new "worldsim" for Niss to move around in and experience. And that's degenerated into fretting about graphics. |
| 05:33.55 | trane | haha i liked that "s t e p h e n" trick :) |
| 05:34.36 | trane | graphics are evil :) |
| 05:34.59 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 05:35.21 | trane | my own personal bias |
| 05:36.12 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 05:36.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 05:36.26 | Gandalf_the_grey | What we need is something that links together the letters.... |
| 05:36.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | Or words |
| 05:36.33 | Gandalf_the_grey | and puts them into context |
| 05:37.29 | trane | that's what i'm trying to use the markov chain for, context |
| 05:38.10 | trane | but it needs to operate above the level of the word i think, and i haven't figured out how to do that. |
| 05:38.26 | KSchnee | One trick could be, "If there are several one-letter words in a row, stick them together; it's a trap." But that's cheap. |
| 05:39.00 | KSchnee | Trane: One method is to try to identify the nouns and verbs, and from their order, decide whether the input is a statement, question, or command. |
| 05:40.16 | trane | yes and for that i need a parser or tagger. i don't really want to write one myself, so i try to use something like link grammar, but it's hard getting different languages to interoperate |
| 05:40.46 | trane | although ruby is supposed to interact with c pretty well so i will have to explore that. |
| 05:42.59 | Gandalf_the_grey | No |
| 05:43.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | What we need is a similar function |
| 05:43.14 | Gandalf_the_grey | For eg. "X" means concept "Y" |
| 05:43.22 | Gandalf_the_grey | And since Z is 0.5 similar to X |
| 05:43.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | it is 0.5 links to concept y |
| 05:43.38 | Gandalf_the_grey | so we stimulate concept y 0.5 |
| 05:44.06 | trane | i like it sounds like fuzzy logic |
| 05:44.16 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 05:44.25 | Gandalf_the_grey | Thats what i've been thinking of |
| 05:44.32 | Gandalf_the_grey | I've also been thinking of linking concepts together. |
| 05:44.36 | KSchnee | Why just "similar," though? It doesn't tell you the relationship. |
| 05:44.46 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 05:44.58 | Gandalf_the_grey | What i'm trying to do is to link words to a concept |
| 05:45.05 | Gandalf_the_grey | So you can deal with it more easily |
| 05:49.17 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 05:50.38 | trane | i see what you're getting at i think. my instinct is to go with linguistic transformations |
| 05:51.02 | trane | i.e. "john ate an apple" is similar to "an apple was eaten by john" because of the passive transformation |
| 05:51.30 | trane | so you could encode both as (eat john apple) and then produce either form |
| 05:52.38 | trane | but an approach that used both linguistic info and the kind of thing you're talking about might be optimal |
| 05:56.07 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm |
| 05:56.18 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ugh. |
| 05:56.20 | Gandalf_the_grey | I'm running out of ram |
| 05:56.22 | Gandalf_the_grey | I'll brb |
| 05:57.02 | Gandalf_the_grey | And i didn't save! |
| 05:57.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-( |
| 05:58.09 | KSchnee | I've got to rest. |
| 06:00.01 | KSchnee | Good night. |
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| 06:01.33 | Gandalf_the_grey | Back :-( |
| 06:01.36 | Gandalf_the_grey | I lost everything |
| 06:01.55 | KSchnee | Sorry to hear that. |
| 06:02.00 | KSchnee | Good night, though. |
| 06:02.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes |
| 06:02.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | ? |
| 06:02.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ag |
| 06:02.25 | Gandalf_the_grey | *ah |
| 06:02.26 | Gandalf_the_grey | Bie |
| 06:02.50 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-( |
| 06:03.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | So.... |
| 06:03.04 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hows your bot? |
| 06:03.07 | trane | yeah i should go too |
| 06:03.11 | trane | my bot? |
| 06:03.21 | trane | my bot just does pig latin to english translation right now |
| 06:03.39 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 06:03.40 | trane | i had another one that turned input into "In Soviet Russia" jokes :) |
| 06:03.48 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 06:03.51 | Gandalf_the_grey | Nice |
| 06:04.13 | trane | it was amusing, but it's in java and only runs on windows |
| 06:04.18 | Gandalf_the_grey | I like cheese |
| 06:04.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | In soviet russia, cheese likes you! |
| 06:04.36 | trane | yeah it can do that pretty easily |
| 06:04.51 | trane | the hard ones are like "in america you check books out of a library..." |
| 06:04.51 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 06:04.54 | Gandalf_the_grey | Can you bring it here? |
| 06:05.04 | trane | in soviet russia, the library checks you out |
| 06:05.19 | trane | that is not a straightforward transformation. |
| 06:05.33 | trane | i don't have it set up for irc |
| 06:05.48 | trane | i used to have it on aim but i haven't run it in awhile |
| 06:07.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm |
| 06:07.07 | Gandalf_the_grey | How do you connect to aim? |
| 06:08.21 | trane | i use jaimbot |
| 06:08.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 06:08.51 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-( |
| 06:08.57 | Gandalf_the_grey | I need some way to connect to msn |
| 06:09.03 | Gandalf_the_grey | or icq or something similar |
| 06:09.59 | Gandalf_the_grey | My bot should be up within 5min |
| 06:13.15 | trane | i tried to start my aimbot but something's not working right |
| 06:13.18 | trane | probably classpath |
| 06:18.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ok, its coming |
| 06:18.05 | Gandalf_the_grey | hmmm. |
| 06:18.16 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is classpath? |
| 06:18.30 | Gandalf_the_grey | Freenet is slow right now :-) |
| 06:18.41 | *** join/#botpark R2-X4 (n=R2-X4@CPE-203-51-57-206.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 06:18.45 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add Cat is good |
| 06:18.45 | R2-X4 | Added Cat is good |
| 06:18.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is cat? |
| 06:18.49 | R2-X4 | cat is good |
| 06:18.58 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add Dog is cute |
| 06:18.59 | R2-X4 | Added Dog is cute |
| 06:19.02 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is dog? |
| 06:19.03 | R2-X4 | dog is cute |
| 06:19.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | Still need to make some adjustments tho |
| 06:19.35 | Gandalf_the_grey | Like it, so far? |
| 06:20.11 | trane | hehe sounds like infobot |
| 06:20.18 | trane | or javabot |
| 06:20.44 | trane | classpath is a java thing. pain in the ass. |
| 06:20.44 | Gandalf_the_grey | And back |
| 06:20.50 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 06:20.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | Where is infobot? |
| 06:20.56 | Gandalf_the_grey | infobot? |
| 06:21.16 | trane | i dunno i've heard a lot about it though, i don't think i've seen it actually |
| 06:21.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 06:21.27 | Gandalf_the_grey | And javabot? |
| 06:21.30 | *** join/#botpark R2-X4 (n=R2-X4@CPE-203-51-57-206.nsw.bigpond.net.au) |
| 06:21.37 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add Cat is good |
| 06:21.37 | R2-X4 | Added Cat is good |
| 06:21.44 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is cat? |
| 06:21.44 | R2-X4 | cat is good |
| 06:21.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | It doesn't handle "A CAT" yet |
| 06:21.58 | Gandalf_the_grey | it doesn't recognise it as a thing |
| 06:22.31 | Gandalf_the_grey | Also, all nouns are exactly one word long |
| 06:23.32 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add A cat is good |
| 06:23.33 | R2-X4 | Added A cat is good |
| 06:23.37 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is a cat? |
| 06:24.02 | trane | ,add i am human |
| 06:24.24 | trane | What is good? |
| 06:24.27 | R2-X4 | Added i am human |
| 06:24.27 | R2-X4 | What is good |
| 06:24.36 | Gandalf_the_grey | ... |
| 06:24.42 | trane | What is I? |
| 06:24.43 | R2-X4 | I is good |
| 06:24.46 | trane | hehe |
| 06:24.50 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 06:25.01 | trane | need to add some verb conjugation there :) |
| 06:25.09 | trane | What am I? |
| 06:25.15 | trane | What is good? |
| 06:25.25 | Gandalf_the_grey | Doesn't have anything for it |
| 06:25.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is good? |
| 06:25.37 | Gandalf_the_grey | I need to add the other type of question |
| 06:25.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | One is "What is cat" |
| 06:25.47 | Gandalf_the_grey | The other is "What is good" |
| 06:25.49 | trane | ,add good is me |
| 06:25.50 | R2-X4 | Added good is me |
| 06:25.54 | trane | What is me? |
| 06:25.59 | trane | er |
| 06:26.01 | trane | What is good? |
| 06:26.02 | R2-X4 | good is me |
| 06:26.10 | Gandalf_the_grey | You have to ,add it |
| 06:26.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add Good is me |
| 06:26.16 | R2-X4 | Added Good is me |
| 06:26.20 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is good |
| 06:26.20 | R2-X4 | good is me |
| 06:26.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) |
| 06:26.27 | trane | change the is to am and you got it |
| 06:26.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | I'm going to be adding some things afterwords |
| 06:26.46 | Gandalf_the_grey | This is just a prototype |
| 06:27.16 | trane | you do all this op and kick ban stuff huh |
| 06:27.29 | trane | with your bots |
| 06:28.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yep |
| 06:28.25 | trane | i might need some help with that, a dude is asking if i want to write a bot to detect and kick spambots |
| 06:28.33 | Gandalf_the_grey | Hmmm. |
| 06:28.47 | Gandalf_the_grey | :-) i have my ways |
| 06:28.53 | trane | of detecting them? |
| 06:29.08 | trane | he's telling me he's got an algorithm for detecting them |
| 06:34.20 | Gandalf_the_grey | So do i |
| 06:34.25 | Gandalf_the_grey | Its called looking at timestamps |
| 06:34.30 | Gandalf_the_grey | And looking at previous responces |
| 06:34.55 | Gandalf_the_grey | Mainly so he gets to go to other channells |
| 06:35.28 | Gandalf_the_grey | So.... |
| 06:35.43 | Gandalf_the_grey | The only problem is that it kicks real human spammers as well as bots :-) |
| 06:36.20 | trane | what do you mean looking at timestamps |
| 06:36.57 | *** topic/#botpark by Gandalf_the_grey -> Please set mode +t so others cannot do this. Don't mess with the bots in your own channel. Come in here to test or talk to the Bots! || blootbot, supybot, infobot, perlbot, rubybot, cobolbot, eggdrop, flooterbuck, GnurdyGuy, all bots are welcome. || bots should speak only when spoken too here || http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Chat/IRC/Bots/ || use the bots, do |
| 06:37.18 | Gandalf_the_grey | you look at the time the last person said something |
| 06:37.24 | Gandalf_the_grey | And the time they say something else. |
| 06:37.27 | Gandalf_the_grey | Subtract the two |
| 06:37.37 | Gandalf_the_grey | if its < 1 sec then there probably a spambot |
| 06:37.49 | Gandalf_the_grey | Increment there "spammyness" count and kick them for being spammy |
| 06:38.03 | Gandalf_the_grey | You decrement the count after a few minutes (maybe 10) |
| 06:38.16 | trane | interesting |
| 06:38.21 | trane | i gotta go |
| 06:38.21 | Gandalf_the_grey | Yes. |
| 06:38.26 | Gandalf_the_grey | it has served me well |
| 06:38.27 | Gandalf_the_grey | BIe |
| 06:38.30 | trane | talk to you later :) |
| 06:38.36 | Gandalf_the_grey | !! 11pm! |
| 06:38.39 | Gandalf_the_grey | Bie |
| 06:38.40 | trane | quit |
| 06:38.47 | trane | library closes at 12 |
| 06:38.53 | trane | it's 11:44 here |
| 06:38.55 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 06:39.00 | Gandalf_the_grey | Your in the library? |
| 06:39.03 | Gandalf_the_grey | Using cgiirc? |
| 06:39.09 | trane | tryin to check out a book before they close :) |
| 06:39.15 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 06:39.17 | trane | using my laptop hooked up to the network |
| 06:39.22 | Gandalf_the_grey | Ah |
| 06:39.29 | Gandalf_the_grey | Well, bie then |
| 06:39.44 | trane | bye |
| 06:56.28 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,come #Czar |
| 07:45.46 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add Birds are nice |
| 07:45.46 | R2-X4 | Added Birds are nice |
| 07:45.54 | Gandalf_the_grey | ,add dogs are fluffy |
| 07:45.55 | R2-X4 | Added dogs are fluffy |
| 07:46.01 | Gandalf_the_grey | What are dogs? |
| 07:46.01 | R2-X4 | dogs are fluffy |
| 07:46.06 | Gandalf_the_grey | what are birds? |
| 07:46.06 | R2-X4 | birds are nice |
| 07:46.11 | Gandalf_the_grey | What is nice? |
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| 09:41.33 | Ganalf_the_grey | Ugh |
| 09:41.39 | Ganalf_the_grey | R2 is dead... |
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| 20:00.10 | brad2901 | @seen noodlebot |
| 20:00.11 | supybot | brad2901: noodlebot was last seen in #botpark 5 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Noodlebot> ping is pong |
| 20:00.11 | ravenbird | i haven't seen 'noodlebot', brad2901 |
| 20:00.15 | brad2901 | ~seen noodlebot |
| 20:00.27 | purl | noodlebot <n=noodlebo@procyon.noodleroni.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 35d 3h 49m 29s ago, saying: 'ping is pong'. |
| 20:00.27 | bzbloot | brad2901: i haven't seen 'noodlebot' |
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| 22:05.56 | brad2901 | r00t` nick bz |
| 22:08.08 | bz | nick change by r00t to bz on NerdiNet |
| 22:08.52 | bz | brad2901 has joined on NerdiNet |
| 22:08.53 | bz | mode change by bzbot on NerdiNet: +v brad2901 |
| 22:08.54 | bz | mode change by bzbot on NerdiNet: +o brad2901 |
| 22:08.58 | brad2901 | eek |
| 22:09.26 | brad2901 | bz config search channelrelay |
| 22:09.26 | bz | supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay, supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.public, supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.source, supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.target, supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.regexp, supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.fancy, and supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.prefix |
| 22:09.56 | brad2901 | bz config supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.source |
| 22:09.56 | bz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.13 | brad2901 | bz config supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.fancy |
| 22:10.13 | bz | True |
| 22:10.20 | brad2901 | bz config supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.target |
| 22:10.20 | bz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.28 | brad2901 | bz config supybot.plugins.ChannelRelay.public |
| 22:10.29 | bz | True |
| 22:11.17 | brad2901 | bz relay nicks |
| 22:11.18 | bz | NerdiNet (3): @brad2901, @bz, @bzbot |
| 22:11.26 | brad2901 | bz disconnect |
| 22:29.55 | simonrvn | TimRiker: it works nicely. though the freenode cloak for it doesn't, but i think i can manage that by linking the second nick to the first |
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| 22:55.20 | TimRiker | simonrvn: yes, that's how apt/ibot/jbot/purl is setup. they are all linked nicks. |
| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | ok cool |
| 22:55.55 | TimRiker | purl: chaninfo |
| 22:55.55 | purl | I'm on 63 channels: #/10, #aegis/6, #asterisk/328, #asterisk-doc/10, #botpark/19, #brlcad/13, #byumug/4, #bzflag/42, #bzleague/11, #casualti/10, #classiccmp/21, #creativeforum/3, #debian/714, #debian-bots/18, #debian-br/47, #debian-france/13, #debianppc/50, #devlounge/4, #dub/4, #elinux/36, #elive/28, #familiar/21, #flyspray/5, #fossfund/3, #gllug/22, ... |
| 22:55.55 | purl | i've cached 2354 users, 1861 unique users, distributed over 63 channels. |
| 22:56.04 | TimRiker | purl: chanset autojoin |
| 22:56.04 | purl | Showing autojoin values on all channels... |
| 22:56.04 | purl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.04 | purl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.04 | purl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.05 | purl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.05 | purl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.05 | purl | End of list. |
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| 22:56.27 | simonrvn | @chaninfo |
| 22:56.28 | ravenbird | I'm on 10 channels: #botpark/18, #debian/714, #debian-bleh/9, #debian-bots/18, #debianppc/50, #ldap/63, #linux-quebec/28, #mlug/9 |
| 22:56.28 | ravenbird | i've cached 909 users, 862 unique users, distributed over 10 channels. |
| 22:56.28 | supybot | simonrvn: Error: "chaninfo" is not a valid command. |
| 22:56.29 | TimRiker | on a few channels. ;-) |
| 22:56.44 | simonrvn | @chanset autojoin |
| 22:56.47 | supybot | simonrvn: Error: "chanset" is not a valid command. |
| 22:56.56 | simonrvn | ravenbird: chanset autojoin |
| 22:56.57 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:57.04 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 22:58.18 | TimRiker | does not see you as an op? try /msg identify <password> |
| 22:58.59 | simonrvn | oh i'm IDed, i auto-identify. hmm, not an op on those currently though |
| 22:59.21 | simonrvn | i tend to stay deopped unless i need to |
| 22:59.26 | TimRiker | yeah, I meant bot-op, not chan-op. |
| 22:59.44 | simonrvn | oh, ok. no, except for a few, it doesn't have ops |
| 22:59.48 | TimRiker | so your mask is not known by ravenbird |
| 22:59.57 | simonrvn | ... sorry. being esp. dense today |
| 22:59.58 | supybot | simonrvn: Error: ".." is not a valid command. |
| 23:00.25 | simonrvn | yeh i should be. the .users file has me there, or should |
| 23:00.55 | TimRiker | with the new b0rken freenode i=... mask? |
| 23:01.11 | simonrvn | yup, indded i am |
| 23:01.12 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.16 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 23:02.19 | TimRiker | oh.. and you need +A to do chanset here. you might just be +o so you'd need to dcc chat with the bot. |
| 23:02.27 | TimRiker | I set +A on purl |
| 23:03.13 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 23:03.29 | TimRiker | purl: chattr timriker |
| 23:03.29 | purl | Flags for timriker: Aaemnorst |
| 23:03.50 | TimRiker | purl: chattr simonraven |
| 23:03.50 | purl | user does not exist. |
| 23:03.54 | SimonRaven | fixed it manually |
| 23:04.01 | TimRiker | k |
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| 23:04.32 | TimRiker | you noticed that bloot now supports channel specific address characters? |
| 23:04.50 | SimonRaven | yeh i did. nice feature |
| 23:04.52 | TimRiker | purl: chanset _default addressCharacter |
| 23:04.52 | purl | addressCharacter for _default is '~' |
| 23:05.04 | TimRiker | purl: chanset #botpark addressCharacter | |
| 23:05.04 | purl | Setting addressCharacter for #botpark to '|'. |
| 23:05.10 | TimRiker | |1+1 |
| 23:05.11 | purl | it has been said that 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
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| 23:05.28 | TimRiker | purl: chanset #botpark -addressCharacter |
| 23:05.28 | purl | Unsetting addressCharacter for #botpark; was '|'. |
| 23:05.49 | TimRiker | back later... |
| 23:05.54 | SimonRaven | ok, see ya |
| 23:07.28 | SimonRaven | workie now. good. |
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| 23:13.04 | simonrvn | yay, works on all my usual nicks |
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| 23:20.03 | TimRiker | sweet. |
| 23:20.24 | Botmaster | What is all that Tim? |
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