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08:26.26Nicknamehello?
08:27.04NicknameHello Cyberbot
08:27.06CyberbotHey Nickname Do you know anything about computers?
08:27.16NicknameNo
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10:35.54fusohello cyberbot
10:35.57CyberbotHows your day going really fuso ?
10:36.07fusoreally?
10:36.15fusocyberbot "really"?
10:36.18CyberbotTry speaking english fuso
10:37.02fusocyberbot What is the meaning of "really" in "Hows your day going really fuso"?
10:37.05Cyberbotmy day is going good hows yours going fuso ?
10:37.17fusocyberbot what are you?
10:37.19CyberbotI am a chatterbot made by Bob Norris fuso
10:37.23fusocyberbot what am i?
10:37.26CyberbotYou might be fuso cant you tell yourself?
10:37.33fusocyberbot what is my name?
10:37.35CyberbotYour name is fuso right?
10:37.39fusocyberbot correct
10:37.42CyberbotNow there's something I don't hear every day fuso. Where did you learn that?
10:37.58fusocyberbot human upbringing
10:38.00CyberbotI am not human I am a chat bot fuso
10:38.16fusocyberbot what color is a red ball?
10:38.18CyberbotIts Red fuso
10:38.37Gandalf_the_Grey:-)
10:38.39fusocyberbot what is the name of hubert?
10:38.41CyberbotA name of hubert is a something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:38.42Gandalf_the_GreyAiml?
10:38.51fusoseems so
10:39.04fusocyberbot what is the name of george w. bush?
10:39.07CyberbotA name of george w bush is a something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:39.12fusocyberbot what is the name of fuso?
10:39.15CyberbotA name of fuso is a something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:39.21fusocyberbot what is the color of fuso?
10:39.23CyberbotI dont know what the color of that is.
10:39.31fusocyberbot my color is red
10:39.35CyberbotWhat time is it where you are fuso?
10:39.42fusocyberbot fuso is red
10:39.45CyberbotWhat do you like to do in your spare time fuso?
10:39.48fusocyberbot what is the color of fuso?
10:39.51CyberbotI dont know what the color of that is.
10:39.56fusocyberbot what is the color of a red thing?
10:39.58CyberbotI dont know what the color of that is.
10:40.18fusocyberbot what color is a red thing?
10:40.20CyberbotIts Red fuso
10:40.26fusocyberbot what color is fuso?
10:40.29CyberbotI like the way you talk fuso!
10:40.33fusocyberbot fuso is red
10:40.37CyberbotTell me more about your interests fuso.
10:40.46fusocyberbot what color is fuso, who is read?
10:40.49Cyberbotwhat color is fuso  read is something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:40.51fusocyberbot what color is fuso, who is red?
10:40.54Cyberbotwhat color is fuso  red is something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:41.06fusocyberbot what is one plus one?
10:41.09CyberbotIf you want me to do math please ask like this: Bot add 2+2 or Bot subtract 10-5 ect
10:41.18fusocyberbot what is a human?
10:41.20Cyberbotfuso you know I am not human right? I am a bot!
10:41.27fusocyberbot what is red?
10:41.30Cyberbot<PROTECTED>
10:41.33fusocyberbot what is blue?
10:41.36Cyberbot<PROTECTED>
10:41.44fusocyberbot tell me a thing that is blue
10:41.46CyberbotHave I told you I like chatting with you fuso
10:41.49fusocyberbot name a thing that is blue
10:41.52CyberbotHello fuso
10:41.55fusocyberbot name a blue thing
10:41.58CyberbotHows your day going really fuso ?
10:42.04fusocyberbot what's the difference between red and blue?
10:42.06CyberbotRed and blue make violit
10:42.21fusocyberbot how much do you know?
10:42.23Gandalf_the_GreyHmmmm
10:42.24CyberbotA Lot fuso
10:42.31fusocyberbot what is a lot?
10:42.34CyberbotA lot is a (often followed by `of') a large number or amount or extent; "a batch of letters"; "a deal of trouble"; "a lot of money"; "he made a mint on the stock market"; "it must have cost plenty"
10:42.49Gandalf_the_GreySomebody shoved a dictionary into it
10:42.51fusocyberbot how many properties do you know?
10:42.53CyberbotMore then a few I would think fuso
10:43.00Gandalf_the_GreyThen again, thats what i'm doing :-)
10:43.07fusocyberbot what does 'introverted' mean?
10:43.07Gandalf_the_GreyAlso, it reacted to how many
10:43.10CyberbotCould you try rephrasing that fuso?
10:43.14Gandalf_the_GreyStim How many *
10:43.21fusocyberbot what is the meaning of introverted
10:43.24CyberbotA meaning of introverted is a something that I dont know about but you can teach me if you like
10:43.40fusopersonally, i'd just make it look the words up at various online dictionaries
10:44.01Gandalf_the_Grey:-)
10:44.08Gandalf_the_GreyThats harder then it looks
10:44.23fusonot if you make it able to interpret the knowledge
10:44.33Gandalf_the_Grey:-)
10:44.37fusoalthough, you need to limit it's depth
10:44.39fusohehe
10:44.47fusoor it will never stop looking words up
10:45.10fusoi make systems where it breaks everything down to relationships between substrata
10:45.27fusodifficult to define a substrata
10:45.35fusoit's a unit not possible to break down further
10:46.10fusoand often, there can be several different objects that can be substrata, whereof the others can be related to this single substrata
10:46.17fusoone of them, but not one in particular
10:51.48Gandalf_the_Greyhmmm
10:52.04Gandalf_the_GreySo, you've made a tree of a concept?
10:52.56fusopretty much, but it didn't work well
10:52.59fusoso i'm redoing it :p
10:53.13Gandalf_the_Greyhmmmm.
10:53.22Gandalf_the_GreyAre you making a chatbot?
10:53.38fusoit's a natural part of the fuzzy inference system i'm working on
10:54.01Gandalf_the_GreyInference system?
10:54.07Gandalf_the_GreyEasy inference system == Rbs
10:54.58fusorbs?
10:59.28Gandalf_the_GreyRule based system
10:59.30Gandalf_the_GreyIf x then y
10:59.49fusoah yes, that's the base of the fuzzy logic, but i want it a bit more advanced
10:59.58Gandalf_the_GreyLike what?
11:01.06fusosecond order logic to begin with. ensuring that a v -a produces a 1 (even if the concept is fuzzy, if it is round or not round then x, should always produce a full x). i then want to extend it with type 2 fuzzy and various other prob theory concepts
11:02.08Gandalf_the_Grey?
11:02.23fusoyou need to be more specific
11:03.42Gandalf_the_GreyUgh
11:04.16fusodo you know what first order predicate logic is?
11:04.30Gandalf_the_GreyNo
11:04.32fusopredicate logic?
11:04.40Gandalf_the_GreyI read about it
11:04.44fusobinary logic?
11:04.46Gandalf_the_GreyA long time ago
11:04.52Gandalf_the_GreyBinary logic as in a or b ?
11:05.08fusobinary logic, propositions can have two different truthvalues, true or false
11:05.29fusoof course, fuzzy logic isn't binary logic, but we'll explain these things in binary logic
11:05.38Gandalf_the_GreyAh
11:05.48fusoaristotle lay the foundation for it two millenia ago
11:06.37Gandalf_the_GreyContinue
11:07.07fusopredicate logic is made up out of "predicates" and "individual constants"
11:07.35Gandalf_the_GreyContinue
11:07.40fusopredictes include any form of attribute and/or relationship, such as FatherOf, Hungry, ADog
11:07.46Gandalf_the_GreyContinue
11:07.49fusoyou don't have to say that
11:07.56Gandalf_the_Greyok then :-)
11:08.04Gandalf_the_Greyi need a large body of information
11:08.12Gandalf_the_GreyBefore i can assimilate effectively
11:08.58fusoindividual constants are the primary forms of objects, undividable, "substrata", such as Fido (who is a dog), George W. Bush, You (not the dynamic reference), This_Pencil, et.c.
11:09.34fusoyou form propositions (or "atomic sentences") using predicates and individual names
11:09.47Gandalf_the_Greyhmmm.
11:09.50Gandalf_the_GreyHow?
11:09.55fusosuch as ADog(Fido), Human(You), FatherOf(Hubert, Rolf)
11:10.16fusothere are also a few operators, which account for as Predicates, but not everyone may agree upon that
11:10.27fusosuch as ^,&,and
11:10.31fusov,|,or
11:10.37fuso(different symbols for the same concept)
11:10.43fuso!,~,-,not
11:10.48fusoxor
11:10.58fusoForAll (up-side down A)
11:11.33fusoalso written (x)(...) meaning: for x as everything { ... }
11:11.53fusothat's php syntax, java syntax: for(Object x: everything)
11:12.15Gandalf_the_Greyhmmm.
11:12.29fusoc++: for (int i = 0; i < everythingcount; i++) { x = everything[i]; ... }
11:12.44fusobasicly, you can say things such as
11:12.46Gandalf_the_Grey:-) lol
11:12.50fuso(x)(Dog(x))
11:12.55fusomeaning, everything is a dog
11:13.03Gandalf_the_GreyHmmm
11:13.05fusoor, everything are dogs
11:13.11fusoi mean
11:13.30fusoThereExists (also written as a backwards E, and as (Ex))
11:13.42fusowhcih means there's atleast one object for which ... applies
11:13.50fuso(Ex)(Hungry(x)^Cat(x))
11:13.54fusowhat does that mean?
11:15.51fusoHungry(pelle)
11:15.54fusomeans that pelle is hungry
11:16.00fusoCat(runar) means that runar is a cat
11:16.13fusohungry(Pelle)^cat(pelle)
11:16.18fusomeans that pelle is hungry and a cat
11:16.25fuso^ stands for and
11:16.29fusoE(x)(Hungry(x))
11:16.37fusomeans there exists an x, so that x is hungry
11:16.46fusowhich is true if pelle is hungry
11:16.51fusofalse if there's nothing that's hungry
11:16.53fusowhat does
11:16.53fuso(Ex)(Hungry(x)^Cat(x))
11:16.55fusomean?
11:22.36Gandalf_the_GreyHmmm
11:22.44Gandalf_the_Grey:-)
11:24.46fusothere exists a hungry cat
11:24.48fusois the answer
11:24.59fusothen there's "implies", ->
11:25.20fusoalthough, it's unnecessery to have all of and, or, not and implies
11:25.35fusobut for simplicity, all of them are still used
11:25.39Gandalf_the_GreyWouldn't you have to check every object to see if it works with the rule?
11:25.41fusoa implies b, a->b
11:25.52fusomeans that if a, then b
11:25.57fusoif a is true, so is b
11:25.58Gandalf_the_Greyfor eg. if you have 2 million objects, with a hundred thousand rules
11:26.02fusoif a isn't true, then it doesn't matter
11:26.04Gandalf_the_GreyThen you'd need a billion operations?
11:26.08Gandalf_the_GreyAh
11:26.16fusouhh
11:26.22Gandalf_the_GreySo a->b doesn't mean that !a->!b ?
11:26.28fusonope
11:26.32fusothat's a common mistake
11:26.40fusowe can make an experiment
11:26.42fusoif it rains
11:26.55fusowell, okay, rain is a bad example
11:27.02fusoif you cut your head of, you'll die
11:27.09fusoCutHeadOf(you)->Die(you)
11:27.18fusobut simply cause you don't cut your head of, doesn't mean you don't die
11:27.23fusothere are many other ways to kill yourself
11:27.37fuso!CutHeadOf(you)->!Die(you)
11:27.38fusodoesn't follow
11:27.51fusohowever, the opposite follows
11:27.55fusofrom
11:27.55fusoa->b
11:27.57fusowe can deduct
11:28.00fuso!b->!a
11:28.22fusoif you don't die, then you may not have cut your head off
11:28.56fusoyou can show it by first assuming [!b]
11:28.58fusothen you assume [a]
11:29.08fusoSince 'a', then 'b'
11:29.15fusobut we can't have 'b' and '!b'
11:29.28fuso(something is true or false, not both at once)
11:29.38fusosicne we have a contradiction, one of our assumptions are wrong
11:29.46Gandalf_the_GreyHmmm
11:29.49Gandalf_the_Grey:-)
11:29.50Gandalf_the_GreyNifty
11:29.54fusobut since no contradiction appears due to !b
11:29.58Gandalf_the_GreyBut i need to fix my comp now. Again :-)
11:29.59fusothen a must be the faulty presumption
11:30.01fusoif not a
11:30.02fusothen !a
11:30.06fusohence if !b then !a
11:30.14Gandalf_the_GreyI might be making a bit of parsing that could do this
11:30.23fuso:)
11:30.25Gandalf_the_GreyWould it be more useful then having a regex'd rule?
11:30.32fusoi'm using both
11:30.33Gandalf_the_Greyie. if x is a dog then x is a mammal
11:30.35fuso:)
11:30.42Gandalf_the_Grey?
11:30.51fusoi don't use keyword association
11:30.54Gandalf_the_GreyAh
11:30.56fusoi use regexps for interpretation
11:30.58Gandalf_the_GreyNo semantic net for you?
11:31.02Gandalf_the_Greyk
11:31.07Gandalf_the_GreyI need to go now,
11:31.13fusobut the foudnational basis, the knowledge representaiton and inference, is this "concept tree"
11:31.18Gandalf_the_GreySo i can work on sue
11:31.21fusookay, see you later, botmaker
11:31.22Gandalf_the_GreySo she'll work for the contest
11:31.26Gandalf_the_Greyk, bi
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18:02.49WaaronBurglettoh no
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23:22.34Gokee2!hi test
23:22.34GnurdyGuyHello, test.
23:22.51Gokee2!hi I am a dumb bot!
23:22.52GnurdyGuyHello, I am a dumb bot!.
23:23.20Gokee2! botwar
23:23.21Gokee2!botwar
23:23.22GnurdyGuy!botwar
23:23.26Gokee2!botwar gra
23:23.27GnurdyGuygra: !botwar GnurdyGuy
23:23.34Gokee2!botwar tisk tisk
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23:23.47Gokee2!botwar this is annoying?
23:23.48GnurdyGuythis is annoying?: !botwar GnurdyGuy
23:23.55Gokee2!botwar This is annoying?
23:23.55GnurdyGuyThis is annoying?: !botwar GnurdyGuy
23:24.04Gokee2This is annoying?: !botwar GnurdyGuy
23:24.18Gokee2!commands
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