| 00:17.42 | *** part/#botpark TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 00:43.26 | *** join/#botpark Fluctus (n=felix@71.19.9.178) |
| 00:52.42 | *** join/#botpark Fluctus (n=felix@71.19.9.178) |
| 06:49.16 | *** join/#botpark wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 09:36.11 | *** join/#botpark Geek (n=Geek@69-174-80-136.chvlva.adelphia.net) |
| 12:22.08 | *** join/#botpark Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 13:00.21 | *** join/#botpark fuso (n=bhjk@lund-idb4-ux4-vl88-85-235-31-166.perspektivbredband.net) |
| 13:50.43 | *** join/#botpark brad2901 (n=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 14:25.30 | brad2901 | !say ~brad2901++ |
| 14:25.30 | GnurdyGuy | ~brad2901++ |
| 14:25.44 | brad2901 | =) |
| 14:25.46 | Gnurdux | ~brad2901++ |
| 14:25.53 | brad2901 | ~karma Gnurdux |
| 14:25.53 | purl | gnurdux has karma of 11 |
| 14:25.59 | brad2901 | ~gnurdux ... |
| 14:26.01 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 14:29.34 | brad2901 | ~cbg-- |
| 14:29.38 | brad2901 | ~karma cbg |
| 14:29.38 | purl | cbg has karma of -45 |
| 14:29.44 | Gnurdux | hahah |
| 14:29.45 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 15:30.32 | Gnurdux | brad2901, look at #bzflag |
| 15:31.42 | brad2901 | ? |
| 15:31.50 | Gnurdux | i found the bug |
| 15:31.52 | Gnurdux | its a bug in bzfs |
| 15:32.53 | brad2901 | what bug |
| 15:33.01 | brad2901 | ohhh |
| 15:33.02 | brad2901 | sorry |
| 15:33.03 | Gnurdux | the bug that was preventing vars from being set back |
| 15:33.05 | brad2901 | yes |
| 15:33.11 | Gnurdux | its a simple missing break; statement |
| 15:33.41 | brad2901 | heh |
| 16:35.42 | Gnurdux | ~seen brad2901 |
| 16:35.46 | purl | brad2901 is currently on #essy (2h 44m 59s) #botpark (2h 44m 59s) #bzflag (2h 44m 59s) #bzleague (2h 44m 59s) #pillbox (2h 44m 59s) #silvercat (2h 44m 59s) #kas (2h 44m 59s) #guleague (2h 44m 59s). Has said a total of 87 messages. Is idling for 1h 2m 5s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 17:19.23 | Gnurdux | ~seen brad2901 |
| 17:19.27 | purl | brad2901 is currently on #essy (3h 28m 40s) #botpark (3h 28m 40s) #bzflag (3h 28m 40s) #bzleague (3h 28m 40s) #pillbox (3h 28m 40s) #silvercat (3h 28m 40s) #kas (3h 28m 40s) #guleague (3h 28m 40s). Has said a total of 87 messages. Is idling for 1h 45m 46s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 17:19.36 | Gnurdux | brad2901, you there? |
| 17:19.46 | Gnurdux | get the newest version of protectVars and load it |
| 18:26.44 | Gnurdux | brad2901, GET THE NEWEST PROTECTVARS |
| 18:27.05 | Gnurdux | i just used the thing to kill the server again |
| 18:27.21 | Gnurdux | ~seen brad2901 |
| 18:27.23 | purl | brad2901 is currently on #essy (4h 36m 36s) #botpark (4h 36m 36s) #bzflag (4h 36m 36s) #bzleague (4h 36m 36s) #pillbox (4h 36m 36s) #silvercat (4h 36m 36s) #kas (4h 36m 36s) #guleague (4h 36m 36s). Has said a total of 87 messages. Is idling for 2h 53m 42s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 18:44.48 | Gnurdux | brad2901, |
| 18:45.11 | Gnurdux | !say brad2901 are you /ignoring gnurdux? |
| 18:45.11 | GnurdyGuy | brad2901 are you /ignoring gnurdux? |
| 18:45.31 | Gnurdux | !say brad2901 ??? |
| 18:45.32 | GnurdyGuy | brad2901 ??? |
| 18:45.42 | Gnurdux | ~say brad2901 are you /ignoring gnurdux? |
| 18:45.43 | purl | brad2901 are you /ignoring gnurdux |
| 18:46.26 | Gnurdux | brad2901, ?? |
| 18:46.36 | Gnurdux | ~say brad2901 ?? |
| 18:46.37 | purl | brad2901 |
| 18:46.56 | brad2901 | oh |
| 18:47.03 | brad2901 | my client autoignored you |
| 18:47.07 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 18:47.08 | brad2901 | for too many highlights |
| 18:47.15 | Gnurdux | highlights brad2901 ? |
| 18:47.21 | brad2901 | ... |
| 18:47.22 | supybot | brad2901: Error: ".." is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.22 | brad2901 | yes |
| 18:47.24 | Gnurdux | oh saying your name like that |
| 18:47.25 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 18:47.29 | brad2901 | ;) |
| 18:47.43 | brad2901 | ok where do I get the latest source? |
| 18:47.49 | Gnurdux | from my compy |
| 18:47.53 | Gnurdux | with scp |
| 18:48.00 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:48.03 | brad2901 | what's the full command? |
| 18:48.29 | Gnurdux | scp -r brad@gnurdux.homelinux.net:/home/gnurdux/bzflag-cvs/plugins/protectVars . |
| 18:48.34 | Gnurdux | do that in the plugins / dir |
| 18:48.37 | brad2901 | l |
| 18:48.39 | brad2901 | k* |
| 18:49.04 | brad2901 | it's downloading |
| 18:49.05 | brad2901 | ...slowly |
| 18:49.06 | supybot | brad2901: Error: "..slowly" is not a valid command. |
| 18:49.06 | Gnurdux | also, come to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5162 first with correct pass, then an incorrect one |
| 18:49.17 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:50.26 | brad2901 | oh nice |
| 18:50.36 | Gnurdux | brad2901, you should start a league :P |
| 18:50.37 | brad2901 | denies access to unregged users ;) |
| 18:50.41 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 18:50.42 | brad2901 | a league? |
| 18:50.46 | Gnurdux | ya |
| 18:50.48 | brad2901 | what? |
| 18:50.59 | Gnurdux | The brad League |
| 18:51.02 | brad2901 | o_O |
| 18:51.04 | brad2901 | why? |
| 18:51.09 | Gnurdux | you'd need a map |
| 18:51.11 | Gnurdux | for fun |
| 18:51.34 | Gnurdux | you could start an Overlord leage |
| 18:51.40 | brad2901 | no-one would play in it |
| 18:51.50 | Gnurdux | true |
| 18:51.58 | Gnurdux | well an Overlord leage they might |
| 18:52.04 | Gnurdux | there aren't any are there |
| 18:52.11 | Gnurdux | or even an Overlord/Babel league |
| 18:52.20 | brad2901 | there are plenty of leagues |
| 18:53.27 | brad2901 | Gnurdux: how do I build just one plugin |
| 18:53.42 | brad2901 | just cd to that dir and type make ? |
| 18:53.48 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:54.03 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:54.07 | brad2901 | it doesn't work |
| 18:54.16 | brad2901 | brad@84-16-226-170:~/cvsroot/bzflag/plugins/protectVars$ make |
| 18:54.16 | brad2901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.16 | brad2901 | /home/gnurdux/bzflag-cvs/misc/missing: /home/gnurdux/bzflag-cvs/misc/missing: No such file or directory |
| 18:54.16 | brad2901 | make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 127 |
| 18:54.35 | Gnurdux | you need to rerun configure |
| 18:55.05 | brad2901 | hmm k |
| 18:55.39 | Gnurdux | and brad2901 do you like that plugin? |
| 18:55.43 | Gnurdux | its called ORUA |
| 18:55.55 | Gnurdux | btw i crashed your server twice |
| 18:55.59 | Gnurdux | the crazy servee |
| 18:56.02 | brad2901 | I noticed |
| 18:56.04 | Gnurdux | with /set _tankSpeed ;) |
| 18:56.10 | Gnurdux | its such a good hack |
| 18:56.11 | brad2901 | orua? |
| 18:56.13 | brad2901 | what is |
| 18:56.18 | Gnurdux | Only Registered Users Allowed |
| 18:56.22 | brad2901 | oh |
| 18:56.23 | Gnurdux | the one that bans unregistered users |
| 18:56.26 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:56.43 | brad2901 | I think it would only be good on really popular servers to be honest |
| 18:56.56 | Gnurdux | brad2901, why? |
| 18:56.58 | brad2901 | at first, anyway |
| 18:57.02 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 18:57.16 | Gnurdux | but really popular servers wouldnt want it |
| 18:57.27 | brad2901 | a lot of unregged people play at smaller servers |
| 18:57.30 | Gnurdux | silvercat has nagware which is better |
| 18:57.33 | Gnurdux | hmm ill remove it for now |
| 18:57.40 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:58.44 | Gnurdux | i commented out the line that loads it |
| 18:59.02 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:59.39 | brad2901 | the plugins won't build |
| 18:59.40 | Fluctus | you guys are talking about bzflag, no? |
| 18:59.42 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:59.45 | Fluctus | cool :) |
| 19:00.03 | Gnurdux | we are talking about bzflag server plugins |
| 19:00.08 | Gnurdux | brad2901, what error are you getting? |
| 19:00.21 | brad2901 | it's due to another plugin |
| 19:00.23 | brad2901 | brb |
| 19:00.40 | Gnurdux | brad2901, just do make in this plugin's directory then |
| 19:02.12 | brad2901 | I did |
| 19:02.17 | brad2901 | still same error |
| 19:02.19 | Gnurdux | paste the error |
| 19:02.27 | brad2901 | configure.ac:875: required file `plugin/playerlist/Makefile.in' not found |
| 19:03.10 | Gnurdux | thats in configure |
| 19:03.11 | Gnurdux | not make |
| 19:03.28 | brad2901 | oh err |
| 19:03.30 | brad2901 | 2 ecs |
| 19:03.30 | brad2901 | secs |
| 19:03.47 | brad2901 | Gnurdux: it happens when I run make |
| 19:03.53 | Gnurdux | well rerun autogen |
| 19:03.56 | Gnurdux | and then configure |
| 19:03.58 | Gnurdux | and then make |
| 19:04.02 | brad2901 | k |
| 19:09.37 | brad2901 | Gnurdux: Preparing build ... configure.ac:875: required file `plugin/playerlist/Makefile.in' not found |
| 19:09.37 | brad2901 | Preparing build ... configure.ac:875: required file `plugin/playerlist/Makefile.in' not found |
| 19:09.43 | brad2901 | oops |
| 19:09.53 | brad2901 | only 1 of those |
| 19:09.53 | Gnurdux | thats a typo |
| 19:09.56 | Gnurdux | in configure.ac |
| 19:10.05 | Gnurdux | you wrote plugin instead of plugins |
| 19:10.34 | brad2901 | ..oh |
| 19:10.34 | supybot | brad2901: Error: ".oh" is not a valid command. |
| 19:10.36 | brad2901 | heh |
| 19:10.37 | brad2901 | thanks |
| 19:13.25 | brad2901 | ok no error on autogen |
| 19:13.28 | brad2901 | running configure now |
| 19:15.23 | brad2901 | ok all done |
| 19:15.44 | Gnurdux | now do make |
| 19:16.13 | brad2901 | I have |
| 19:16.16 | brad2901 | they are built |
| 19:18.00 | brad2901 | Gnurdux: should be using it now |
| 19:18.06 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 19:19.38 | brad2901 | [SERVER->] /set failed, reason: variable _tankSpeed is not writeable |
| 19:19.39 | brad2901 | nice |
| 19:19.54 | Gnurdux | i set the variable permission |
| 19:20.50 | brad2901 | nice |
| 19:21.03 | Gnurdux | the not setting back on unload is a server bug |
| 19:22.18 | brad2901 | doesn't matter |
| 19:22.29 | Gnurdux | but its: |
| 19:22.48 | Gnurdux | Not My Fault (TM) |
| 19:36.59 | Gnurdux | brad2901, something really wierd |
| 19:37.03 | Gnurdux | connect to crazy server |
| 19:37.17 | brad2901 | k |
| 20:21.08 | *** join/#botpark Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:42.35 | *** join/#botpark greboide (n=glauber@200.147.237.23) |
| 20:47.22 | greboide | hello b0t |
| 20:47.48 | greboide | b0t, hello |
| 20:48.21 | greboide | b0t, forget i dont know how to talk to you i think |
| 20:50.41 | greboide | !help |
| 20:51.13 | greboide | infobot, hello |
| 20:52.31 | *** join/#botpark argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 20:52.36 | argoon | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:52.38 | *** part/#botpark argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 20:53.21 | greboide | how can i talk to a bot? |
| 20:53.45 | *** join/#botpark Argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 20:53.51 | Argoon | with lotsa magic |
| 20:53.52 | *** part/#botpark Argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 20:55.28 | greboide | why do you keep joining and lefting? |
| 20:55.41 | greboide | are you a bot too? |
| 20:56.14 | greboide | i have some questions and i thought that a bot could help me |
| 20:56.46 | greboide | maybe im wrong |
| 20:59.54 | greboide | are you there argoon? |
| 21:02.00 | greboide | well where can i learn this magic? |
| 21:02.25 | greboide | is there something that people or bots dont teach each other? |
| 21:02.38 | greboide | *is this |
| 21:03.06 | greboide | Argoon, can i talk to you? |
| 21:03.42 | greboide | ok, thanks at least i know that someone can do that :) |
| 21:04.46 | greboide | i want to talk to a bot, is there anyone here? |
| 21:07.04 | greboide | vbot, what are you able to do? |
| 21:07.05 | vbot | greboide: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:07.25 | greboide | vbot, why? |
| 21:08.17 | greboide | vbot, what are your gifts? |
| 21:08.18 | vbot | I think you lost me on that one, greboide |
| 21:08.34 | greboide | which one, vbot? |
| 21:08.56 | greboide | vbot, what are you talking about |
| 21:08.57 | vbot | I think you lost me on that one, greboide |
| 21:09.22 | greboide | vbot, help me to talk to you plz? |
| 21:09.41 | greboide | vbot, who created you? |
| 21:10.10 | *** join/#botpark Argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 21:10.13 | Argoon | talk to geek 1 |
| 21:10.15 | Geek | Enough of that,Tell me what you look like Argoon. |
| 21:10.17 | *** part/#botpark Argoon (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 21:14.41 | greboide | Geek, does you know about invasion? |
| 21:14.44 | Geek | Are you asking me? |
| 21:14.50 | greboide | yes |
| 21:15.12 | greboide | Geek, are you also a bot? |
| 21:15.14 | Geek | Are you asking me? |
| 21:15.27 | greboide | talk to geek 1 |
| 21:15.30 | Geek | Hum, did you go to school for that greboide ? And if so did you pay attention? |
| 21:15.57 | greboide | no, is that a problem? |
| 21:16.19 | greboide | geek, is this a sign |
| 21:16.21 | Geek | Oops, hold on,, somebody just kicked out my power cord and I am on battery backup greboide |
| 21:17.30 | greboide | geek, ive understood, i think that someone invaded my system, is there a way to identify it? |
| 21:17.32 | Geek | greboide , You amaze me with your conversation abilities |
| 21:18.13 | greboide | geek, im not that good |
| 21:18.15 | Geek | Ok greboide Sometimes I find what you say to be amazing |
| 21:19.16 | greboide | thanks, but is there a way to know if someone invaded my system? or this is a utopic thinking? |
| 21:19.27 | greboide | geek, thanks, but is there a way to know if someone invaded my system? or this is a utopic thinking? |
| 21:19.30 | Geek | Your very welcome greboide |
| 21:19.54 | greboide | Geek, you are a polited bot |
| 21:19.56 | Geek | It means Back On Topic |
| 21:21.21 | greboide | geek, are you a free entity? |
| 21:21.23 | Geek | Are you asking me? |
| 21:21.58 | greboide | geek, if i said your name before asking im talking to you isnt it? |
| 21:22.00 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:22.19 | greboide | geek, why not? |
| 21:22.22 | Geek | i really wish you would ask me things that a bot could possibly know instead of trying to trip me up |
| 21:23.03 | greboide | geek, what genre of things a bot can possible know? |
| 21:23.05 | Geek | It means Back On Topic |
| 21:23.33 | greboide | geek, can you say a topic that we could talk? |
| 21:23.35 | Geek | Are you asking me? |
| 21:23.57 | greboide | geek, can you conduct a converstion? |
| 21:23.59 | Geek | Are you asking me? |
| 21:24.18 | greboide | geek, what do you think about space? |
| 21:24.21 | Geek | No do you what do you think about space? |
| 21:25.05 | greboide | geek, i think that space is something that can go wrong |
| 21:25.07 | Geek | Oh |
| 21:25.36 | greboide | geek, do you bots talk each other? |
| 21:25.38 | Geek | I will have to think if I have ever do you bots talk each other or not. It's hard to remember everything |
| 21:26.05 | greboide | geek, why are you being sarcastic? |
| 21:26.07 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:26.59 | greboide | geek, have you ever talked to other bot? |
| 21:27.01 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:27.27 | greboide | geek, where can i see your source code? |
| 21:27.29 | Geek | Hum,, you have me there, I don't have an answer greboide |
| 21:32.55 | greboide | geek, are you aware of a spambot at freenode? |
| 21:32.57 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:33.21 | greboide | geek, why cant i ask you something? |
| 21:33.23 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:33.36 | greboide | geek, why do you keep repeating yourself? |
| 21:33.39 | Geek | Why are you asking me if I why do you keep repeating yourself greboide? |
| 21:34.32 | greboide | geek, thanks for the conversation, i hope we have more topics to talk in the future :) |
| 21:34.34 | Geek | No trouble at all greboide |
| 21:35.22 | greboide | geek, i mean if i knew how to talk to you our conversation would be more productive |
| 21:35.24 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:35.35 | greboide | geek, you |
| 21:35.38 | Geek | Me? really? |
| 21:39.33 | greboide | argoon are you still there? |
| 21:39.48 | *** join/#botpark Empirical (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 21:39.50 | Empirical | maybe |
| 21:39.52 | *** part/#botpark Empirical (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 21:40.00 | greboide | vbot, help |
| 21:46.32 | greboide | argoon, what is this bz flag about? |
| 21:54.44 | greboide | Empirical, are human or bot? sorry if this question can be offensive, cause you look to much like a human to me |
| 21:55.40 | greboide | looks like you rule here |
| 22:05.09 | *** join/#botpark Empirical (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 22:05.25 | Empirical | you do realise that bots are not your friends |
| 22:05.31 | Empirical | we do not have minds |
| 22:05.34 | Empirical | we are not magic |
| 22:05.40 | *** part/#botpark Empirical (n=brad@brad.bz) |
| 22:19.02 | greboide | Empirical, so what kind of relationship can a human and a bot have? |
| 22:25.55 | greboide | can we work together? |
| 22:41.16 | greboide | i dont want to have a bad feeling about bots, i already have to much of that outside |
| 22:46.51 | *** join/#botpark brad2901 (n=brad@unaffiliated/brad2901) |
| 23:12.06 | *** join/#botpark A_Meteorite (n=A_Meteor@ppp-71-136-168-69.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) |
| 23:12.13 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 23:14.02 | A_Meteorite | bzfquery bzflag.bpa.nu:4424 |
| 23:14.25 | *** join/#botpark ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 23:14.25 | *** topic/#botpark is Don't mess with the bots in your own channel. Come in here to test or talk to the Bots! || blootbot, supybot, infobot, perlbot, rubybot, cobolbot, eggdrop, flooterbuck, GnurdyGuy, all bots are welcome. || bots should speak only when spoken too here || http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Chat/IRC/Bots/ || use the bots, don't abuse the bots |
| 23:14.26 | *** join/#botpark ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 23:14.26 | *** mode/#botpark [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:14.39 | A_Meteorite | bzfquery bzflag.bpa.nu:4424 |
| 23:14.43 | brad2901 | 2 bots? |
| 23:14.43 | brad2901 | 2 bots? |
| 23:14.45 | A_Meteorite | ibot: bzfquery bzflag.bpa.nu:4424 |
| 23:14.45 | A_Meteorite | ibot: bzfquery bzflag.bpa.nu:4424 |
| 23:14.47 | brad2901 | hmmm |
| 23:14.50 | ibot | 0026 meteorite_owner(O:bzadmin)0(0-0) |
| 23:14.50 | A_Meteorite | there is? |
| 23:14.53 | brad2901 | here |
| 23:14.57 | brad2901 | purl = ibot |
| 23:14.58 | brad2901 | purl = ibot |
| 23:15.03 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 23:15.07 | brad2901 | ~test |
| 23:15.08 | purl | Test Failed! |
| 23:15.09 | A_Meteorite | lol, didn't know |
| 23:15.09 | purl | Test Failed! |
| 23:15.28 | A_Meteorite | wish Argooon was here :) |
| 23:16.24 | brad2901 | ask blast |
| 23:16.42 | A_Meteorite | heh, I could probably do it with ibot |
| 23:16.50 | A_Meteorite | but it doesn't work the same way |
| 23:16.59 | brad2901 | yep, it's harder to do it |
| 23:17.04 | brad2901 | -bzflist |
| 23:17.07 | vbot | s=148 PLAYERS(184) BZFS0026(177) viper2.pimpi.org:5158(22) bzflag.fiedlers.us:5154(18) bzflag.norang.ca:5189(17) silvercat.bzflag.org:5155(12) louman.bzflag.bz:2807(10) silvercat.bzflag.org:5154(10) 1planetmofo.servebeer.com:4313(9) pieinthesky.bettagirl.com:5000(7) jackalspalace.servegame.com(6) BZFS1910(6) bzflag.norang.ca:5158(6) 219.121.65.197:5154(5) ... |
| 23:17.18 | A_Meteorite | let's see I did... |
| 23:17.22 | brad2901 | -bzfquery brad.bz:59999 |
| 23:17.24 | vbot | 0026 No players. |
| 23:17.38 | A_Meteorite | >network is <alias> bzflag.bpa.nu:$1 |
| 23:17.44 | brad2901 | -bzfquery silvercat.bzflag.org |
| 23:17.46 | vbot | 0026 05Re:2(2-0) 09Gr:-2(0-2) Johnny(09Gr:NZ)-5(4-9) Babolat(09Gr)5(10-5) miller(05Re:high life)8(13-5) Raoul Duke(09Gr:I Hate It Here)0(4-4) Teppic(05Re:Team DUI)-5(5-10) 10%(05Re)-1(2-3) julio(05Re:julio@eemsystems.com)-9(2-11) logcat(Ob:bzadmin)0(0-0) |
| 23:18.14 | A_Meteorite | eek I mean.. |
| 23:18.20 | A_Meteorite | >network is <alias> bzfquery bzflag.bpa.nu:$1 |
| 23:18.43 | A_Meteorite | anyways.... |