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| 00:11.42 | numist | heh |
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| 05:58.22 | numist | hey troubled, want to see what 10 minutes of hacking will get you? |
| 06:10.24 | troubled | sure |
| 06:16.36 | numist | troubled: join #sdcolleges, watch p5py |
| 06:17.47 | numist | troubled: XMPP - IRC bridge. 10 minutes of code on top of Anna^'s framework |
| 06:18.02 | numist | should I build a silly twitter bot, stuff it in #twitter and allow freenodians to follow random haps? |
| 06:18.49 | troubled | so whats it doing? watching a rss feed or something? |
| 06:19.44 | numist | nope |
| 06:19.48 | numist | it's connected to Jabber |
| 06:19.51 | numist | via gtalk |
| 06:20.13 | numist | an rss feed would be pull, not push |
| 06:20.37 | troubled | jabber, thats a irc like messenger protocol? |
| 06:20.44 | troubled | sorry, never used it yet |
| 06:21.16 | numist | it's a "presence" protocol |
| 06:21.19 | troubled | btw, can you run: http://filebeam.com/a671261f1a51c0e24b17d18e338e5281 ? |
| 06:21.20 | Anna^ | [filebeam.com] Filebeam - Free Fast File Hosting |
| 06:21.21 | numist | it's an open source oscar protocol |
| 06:21.39 | troubled | dont know what oscar is |
| 06:21.42 | troubled | ^oscar |
| 06:21.44 | numist | sorry, I'm not running anything randomly downloaded off the internet |
| 06:21.48 | numist | oscar is the AIM/ICQ protocol |
| 06:22.16 | troubled | its just a perl script i made to benchmark tied hash's using bdb file |
| 06:22.39 | troubled | its small and easy to verify. nalioth ran it already so you can confirm with him if you would like :) |
| 06:23.38 | troubled | even if you dont know perl, its pretty obvious with 1 minute in the source its harmless and fixed current dir path to nicks.(txt|dbm) |
| 06:24.57 | troubled | so far ive got about 5 results to work with. aiming for a few more results. would like --count 100000, if possible on query.pl with the default 10 iterations in a pastebin if you trust my code :) |
| 06:25.33 | troubled | gonna make a perty graph when i get more results and see what factor cpu and hd rpm's have on the results |
| 06:26.01 | troubled | my argument is flat files and in memory storage of the entire db arent always needed, namely with respect to services |
| 06:27.18 | numist | yeah, sorry but I don't have time to do it right now |
| 06:27.29 | troubled | np |
| 06:29.03 | troubled | so where is this bot getting all this info from? and what are the #channel names about? |
| 06:37.12 | numist | so, those arent channel names |
| 06:37.23 | numist | twitter has a notion of tags, and they are delineated by # |
| 06:37.27 | numist | and @ indicates a user |
| 06:40.06 | troubled | so what is the source? i cant tell if it was some news wire feed, or some live status feed of sorts |
| 06:40.07 | numist | go play with twitter a bit |
| 06:40.13 | numist | http://twitter.com |
| 06:40.14 | Anna^ | [twitter.com] Twitter: What are you doing? |
| 06:40.20 | troubled | ty sec |
| 06:40.23 | numist | also, if you don't understand how jabber works, you'll never understand the source |
| 06:40.33 | numist | the bot is getting messages directly from twitter over Jabber |
| 06:41.20 | troubled | well, i understand jabber is just the transport protocol, but just wasnt sure what twitter was |
| 06:41.30 | troubled | i see now, i think ive heard of this before |
| 06:41.34 | numist | likely |
| 06:42.02 | troubled | i recall a /. about some new paradigm where you have things like "Im sitting down to each a sandwitch" etc. |
| 06:42.55 | troubled | sounds lke its just a realtime public journal |
| 06:44.13 | troubled | ahh, so jabber is really just a trimmed down SMTP :) |
| 06:44.48 | troubled | or even a specialised irc in that you can put restrictions on things |
| 06:45.08 | troubled | interesting i suppose |
| 06:45.20 | numist | it's supposed to be a replacement for all the proprietary IM protocols out there |
| 06:45.42 | numist | but, because it's a standard-by-committee thing, it'll never work because everyone's too busy talking and getting nothing done, rather than making it all work |
| 06:46.23 | troubled | you assume MS and Yahoo et all, actually want to use a standard protocol |
| 06:46.45 | troubled | im not saying its a bad idea, im just saying your crazy if you think they are just going to give up their advantage |
| 06:47.03 | troubled | they dont _want_ people to use anything but their products |
| 06:47.39 | numist | no, I don't |
| 06:47.44 | numist | I know they don't want standard protocols |
| 06:48.00 | numist | the idea with XMPP was for people to create their own servers and for the common folk to leave MS, Y!, AOL, etc entirely |
| 06:48.06 | numist | which, of course, is a stupid pipe dream |
| 06:48.42 | troubled | well, i think the best you could do would be to switch enough people that the big boys would add support for it along side their own proprietary stuff |
| 06:49.17 | troubled | of course, the momemnt they did that, history shows that they will slowly break things and cause issues in an attempt to make it look bad and discourage its use. its all a big game to them really |
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