| 00:00.48 | brlcad | they are past their tipping point is all, so it just doesn't matter |
| 00:01.02 | starseeker | right |
| 00:01.51 | starseeker | Well, gotta do three weeks worth of laundry :-(. Thanks for all the assistance! |
| 00:01.56 | brlcad | brl-cad can easily reach that point as well, but there is lots of work needed on the graphical side and user interface |
| 00:02.20 | brlcad | apart from the command interface, mged's gui is overly sub-optimal |
| 00:02.35 | starseeker | :-) |
| 00:02.53 | starseeker | That has to be the best phrase ever for a UI critique |
| 00:02.53 | brlcad | we have another product set to replace or complement it already but it'll need more testing |
| 00:03.07 | starseeker | you mean mged? |
| 00:03.16 | starseeker | wow! |
| 00:03.25 | brlcad | i mean something to supplant mged down the road |
| 00:03.45 | brlcad | effectively a rewrite by one of mged's primary original authors |
| 00:04.21 | starseeker | That's really nice, having an original author around. They know what not to do the second time around ;-) |
| 00:04.40 | brlcad | he's got a fully functional beta already, and funds to keep improving it, so we're on a great track |
| 00:04.47 | starseeker | Awesome |
| 00:04.53 | brlcad | we have lots of original authors around :) |
| 00:05.38 | brlcad | actually primary is probably more appropriate than original.. mike was the original author for a vast majority |
| 00:05.55 | starseeker | Wow. That's one heck of a programmer |
| 00:06.00 | brlcad | ibot: seen polyspin |
| 00:06.02 | ibot | polyspin <~polyspin@pcp02462412pcs.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 17h 20m 24s ago, saying: 'very good times.'. |
| 00:06.17 | brlcad | mike was a vary amazing man |
| 00:06.38 | brlcad | a true wizard ahead of his time in the most classic of senses |
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| 00:07.16 | starseeker | I'm glad his work has been released to the world - it's a great way to carry on the legacy |
| 00:07.48 | brlcad | I think Mike would have just loved to see what we've achieved |
| 00:07.56 | starseeker | When a program survives decades and waves of authors you know you have something special. |
| 00:09.50 | brlcad | well, time to grab a bite to eat and get working on a binary distribution for mac os x, perhaps update 7.0.4 to fix the source tarball issues |
| 00:10.20 | starseeker | :-) |
| 00:10.25 | brlcad | tjyang: hi, you have a question before I take off to eat? :) |
| 00:10.43 | brlcad | or maybe one of these other kind gents can help you :) |
| 00:10.51 | starseeker | let me know when 7.0.4 is up, and I'll update the ebuild, run a final test, and announce on the gentoo-science list it's ready |
| 00:11.23 | noyb | did you see my new vgr line? |
| 00:11.45 | noyb | hehe |
| 00:11.54 | brlcad | noyb: not yet.. what'dya get? :) |
| 00:12.43 | noyb | I posted it about 3+ hours ago... lemme see if it's in my scroll back. (how do I do that in irssi?) |
| 00:12.51 | brlcad | really horrid that these releases are overlapping with bz's release .. :) |
| 00:13.07 | brlcad | noyb: I'll have it in my buffer when I get home |
| 00:14.21 | starseeker | ah, bzflag - one wonders how much open source code might have been had bzflag not been unleased ;-) |
| 00:14.23 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:15.05 | starseeker | just not subtlty ;-) |
| 00:15.22 | brlcad | well, i'll be back soon.. |
| 00:15.26 | brlcad | cya |
| 00:15.29 | noyb | bye |
| 00:15.31 | starseeker | later |
| 00:15.55 | noyb | any irssi users here? |
| 00:18.06 | EricWilhelm | no, but I think there's a log file |
| 00:18.47 | EricWilhelm | anything in your ~/.irssi/ ? |
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| 01:13.40 | dad | ok, i'm stumped |
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| 01:15.23 | jeoslislo | Anyone get brlcad to make on OS X? |
| 01:20.43 | noyb | EricWilhelm: I have a config in that dir |
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| 01:52.38 | noyb | I think I managed to hang or crash brlcad. It's to be expected for a person playing around with a giant powertool for the first time. |
| 02:02.06 | tjyang-away | I am compiling brlcad on RHAS3.0. |
| 02:03.00 | tjyang-away | anyone have a sucess to compile it on Mac OSX 10.3.7 ? |
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| 02:06.35 | noyb | ~seen learner |
| 02:06.37 | ibot | learner is currently on #brlcad (1d 21h 44m 32s) #bzflag (1d 21h 44m 32s). Has said a total of 609 messages. Is idling for 7h 42m 56s |
| 02:06.50 | noyb | ~seen brlcad |
| 02:06.51 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #brlcad (2h 52m 39s) #bzflag (2h 52m 39s). Has said a total of 49 messages. Is idling for 1h 51m 25s |
| 02:09.02 | noyb | somehow, with a little guessing and very little rtfm, I managed to open the star.g db and draw some of it. any brl-cad experts here? |
| 02:11.30 | noyb | yes, I have it running on 10.3.7 |
| 02:16.00 | tjyang-away | what is your configure switches ? I include /usr/X11R5/include etc but still have compilation errors. |
| 02:16.11 | tjyang-away | oops |
| 02:16.17 | tjyang-away | X11R6 |
| 02:16.21 | dad | :) |
| 02:19.47 | tjyang-away | ./configure --prefix=/opt/ --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/ |
| 02:19.47 | tjyang-away | X11R6/lib |
| 02:20.00 | tjyang-away | what am I missing ?,noyb. |
| 02:21.06 | tjyang-away | oh, I fogot to say the magic word. Please. |
| 02:22.26 | tjyang-away | failed at "tk.h:100:29: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory" |
| 02:22.51 | tjyang-away | looks like the tk inlcude path need to corrected. |
| 02:22.59 | tjyang-away | noyb, are you still here ? |
| 02:25.47 | learner | tjyang-away, which os? |
| 02:26.11 | learner | tjyang-away, and which X11? |
| 02:27.45 | tjyang-away | mac os 10.3.7, /usr/X11R6 |
| 02:28.00 | learner | i mean is it apple's X11 or XFree's |
| 02:28.16 | learner | i.e. XDarwin |
| 02:28.39 | tjyang-away | apple's X11. |
| 02:29.01 | tjyang-away | be back |
| 02:29.41 | dad | learner: i can't seem to get anything but 'nu' display manager, and i'm stumped |
| 02:29.43 | learner | k |
| 02:29.50 | learner | you shouldn't need X11 options |
| 02:30.03 | learner | there is a problem with the source tarball for macs |
| 02:30.34 | learner | i'd suggest "make distclean" and then starting over fresh (./autogen.sh .. ./configure .. make |
| 02:33.00 | dad | my system? Debian stable in i686 with a voodoo3 graphics adapter |
| 02:33.18 | learner | heh, nice name |
| 02:33.43 | learner | dad, no, those suggestions were from tjyang-away |
| 02:34.22 | learner | but thanks for the info .. yeash does debian not play well with the build |
| 02:34.26 | dad | learner: i guessed as much |
| 02:34.28 | learner | dad, how did you compile |
| 02:35.16 | dad | i got the sources from sourceforge (not he CVS) it had a ./configure there already |
| 02:35.43 | dad | compiled, installed no problems, except it took a long time |
| 02:35.59 | learner | that's good |
| 02:36.21 | learner | taking a long time is expected.. unless you have lots of cpus ;) |
| 02:37.46 | learner | so then what happened? |
| 02:37.58 | learner | you installed and tried to run mged? |
| 02:39.28 | tjyang | learner, are you sure about no X11 option is needed ?, I started out with no X11 option. |
| 02:40.10 | learner | on OS X, yes -- should not be needed |
| 02:40.16 | dad | mged starts, but i can't get any display manager except nu |
| 02:40.24 | learner | it's in a standard path |
| 02:40.38 | tjyang | leaner,ok I am going to try it again. |
| 02:40.50 | learner | dad, can you send me your config.log? |
| 02:40.58 | dad | so, no i can |
| 02:41.06 | dad | email? or ??? |
| 02:41.13 | learner | sure |
| 02:41.31 | noyb | no I wasn't still there... kids, wife, dinner... forgot to mention my away-ness. |
| 02:41.59 | noyb | learner, you're back! |
| 02:43.01 | learner | i am, with 2 dozen things going on ;) |
| 02:43.48 | tjyang | the build on RH AS3.0 was sucessful. |
| 02:45.13 | learner | glad to hear it.. rh is more readily on hand |
| 02:50.26 | dad | learner - it's on its way... |
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