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| 01:00.23 | brlcad | there |
| 01:00.33 | brlcad | now c1;2cgi:irc is up and running |
| 01:00.41 | brlcad | http://irc.brlcad.org |
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| 03:19.03 | EricWilhelm | hmm. a bit slow? |
| 03:21.19 | learner | slow? |
| 03:21.28 | learner | busy busy here :) |
| 03:21.41 | EricWilhelm | (irc.brlcad.org) maybe it doesn't play well with konqueror |
| 03:23.01 | learner | ahh |
| 03:23.21 | learner | probably the latter .. it's got issues with a variety of browsers |
| 03:23.30 | learner | did it give you a red warning? |
| 03:33.55 | jano | bork |
| 03:41.44 | learner | sup |
| 03:58.25 | brlcad | ahh, yes.. konqueror 2 is listed as a problem .. do you know your version string? |
| 04:12.35 | jano | wait |
| 04:12.37 | jano | i'm confused |
| 04:13.26 | jano | which one are you? :P |
| 04:24.44 | brlcad | :P |
| 04:29.09 | jano | :P |
| 04:29.57 | EricWilhelm | brlcad, 3.2.2 |
| 04:30.15 | brlcad | that 'splains it |
| 04:31.57 | brlcad | there, that should at least put the warning |
| 04:32.02 | EricWilhelm | is javascript required? |
| 04:32.47 | brlcad | cgi:irc does an unterminated streaming http to keep the irc connection open .. several browsers don't like that |
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| 04:33.00 | brlcad | did you see the warning? |
| 04:33.10 | cad329 | yeah, but it seems to work fine here |
| 04:33.22 | brlcad | ah, that's good |
| 04:33.28 | cad329 | one issue, is that I was using privoxy on the other computer |
| 04:33.49 | jano | warning? |
| 04:34.01 | cad329 | this is the same konqueror, different workstation |
| 04:34.11 | jano | oh |
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| 04:34.16 | brlcad | so it is working then |
| 04:34.44 | EricWilhelm | yeah, let me check the js settings |
| 04:35.11 | cad329 | right, js is enabled here |
| 04:36.33 | EricWilhelm | no, must be privoxy (same js settings on both boxen) |
| 04:36.48 | brlcad | supposed to just be a fall-back for the folks that no nothing about irc .. get them in and then make em find a real irc client ;) |
| 04:37.32 | EricWilhelm | I guess you can put something about 'apt-get install xchat' in the warning if you see Debian in their browser ID |
| 04:54.27 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:54.41 | brlcad | most of the folks I'd worry about are not using linux ;) |
| 05:03.14 | narnia | brlcad, hello, how goes it? concerning step files; what are your thought, ideas, dreams, etc for the step interface? |
| 05:04.30 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 05:04.54 | brlcad | ideally we'll have a full ap203/214 step-g and g-step converter ;) |
| 05:06.27 | brlcad | dreams are to have it completed at least functionally sometime this summer before siggraph |
| 05:10.54 | brlcad | same goes for a prototype of the new project management interface that wraps all the tools |
| 05:18.22 | narnia | brlcad, okay |
| 05:20.03 | brlcad | narnia: what are your thoughts? |
| 05:24.36 | narnia | brlcad, well first need iso-10303-21 at a minimum to understand the syntax of the step files. using iso-10303-21 or the nist step library parse the step files. |
| 05:25.45 | narnia | brlcad, the next phase would be to determine how step constructs map to brl-cad g, and create the mappings. this part would be bi-directional. |
| 05:26.39 | narnia | brlcad, the third phase would be to run as many step files through the step-g conversion to determine where the bugs, misktakes, errors, etc are. |
| 05:26.56 | narnia | brlcad, repeat as necessary. |
| 05:29.26 | narnia | brlcad, basically how would something like "#670499=CIRCLE('',#670498,9.E0);" map to brl-cad q? |
| 05:30.35 | brlcad | the actual mapping is not going to be difficult at all -- most everything will map directly that has to do with actual geometry |
| 05:31.06 | brlcad | splines might be complicated.. would have to see the inputs |
| 05:31.38 | brlcad | a 2D shape maps to the sketch primitive (which has many subshapes including a circle/arc) |
| 05:32.06 | narnia | brlcad, that "#670498" above is a variable. |
| 05:33.02 | brlcad | all part of the express syntax, yes |
| 05:33.23 | brlcad | ? |
| 05:33.28 | narnia | brlcad, are you asking or telling? |
| 05:33.51 | brlcad | :) asking |
| 05:34.14 | narnia | brlcad, all part of the express syntax, yes. |
| 05:34.18 | brlcad | from what I've seen of the actual file, there are a variety of express constructs that would have to be supported |
| 05:34.32 | brlcad | as part of the parser that builds a geometry tree |
| 05:35.46 | brlcad | in that simple form, it's just a named reference to a circle object -- you end up with substitutions under you have actual geometry |
| 05:36.03 | narnia | brlcad, having iso-10303-21 would allow for a lex, yacc ( flex,bison ) parser. or go for recursive-descent parser. |
| 05:36.05 | brlcad | constraints will be a problem, though we can stash them into attributes for now |
| 05:38.58 | narnia | brb need decaf coffee. |
| 05:43.10 | brlcad | i'd very much agree |
| 05:44.57 | brlcad | I'm trying to track down where our printed copy came from |
| 05:52.38 | narnia | brlcad, have you heard of the 'enhanced machine controller (emc) project' at nist? |
| 05:52.54 | brlcad | doesn't ring a bell |
| 05:53.31 | narnia | the emc project is also hosted on sourceforge.net. |
| 05:54.50 | brlcad | sounds like something related to milling and CAM |
| 05:54.59 | narnia | it is. |
| 05:55.07 | narnia | cnc |
| 05:55.11 | brlcad | ahh |
| 05:55.13 | narnia | g-code. |
| 05:55.30 | narnia | i have worked on that project off and on. |
| 05:56.20 | brlcad | ahh, generates g-code for cnc machines? |
| 05:56.27 | brlcad | link? |
| 05:56.34 | narnia | brb |
| 05:57.21 | narnia | https://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/ |
| 05:59.10 | narnia | and my cad-cam project that i have been working on for several years. http://gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:00.06 | narnia | i have not updated that page in awhile. |
| 06:00.21 | brlcad | interesting |
| 06:01.53 | brlcad | i see you're a bit off your timeline.. :) |
| 06:02.18 | brlcad | how far into your implementation did you get? |
| 06:03.21 | narnia | it is difficult to work on project when recovering from several surgeries over the years. since the work accident on 26 nov 1996 i have had 7 major surgeries. |
| 06:03.49 | brlcad | understandable |
| 06:05.23 | narnia | pretty much to this point : http://gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net/block-diagrams.html#LEVEL-SIX-DETAIL-BLOCK-DIAGRAM |
| 06:07.38 | narnia | had some helpers over the years but events happen. one helper's mother died of breast cancer. one helper was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver. one helper got married. |
| 06:07.49 | brlcad | incredible complexity in the "process" block |
| 06:08.49 | narnia | tool path routines still need alot of work. |
| 06:09.05 | brlcad | and how the human input interacts.. the gui/cli? |
| 06:10.13 | narnia | cli, and lisp scripts. |
| 06:11.22 | narnia | my menu helper was the one who got married and started a family. she has higher priorities now. |
| 06:12.24 | narnia | the is no "wimp" interface. (wimp -- windows, icons, menus, pop-up/pop-down) |
| 06:14.33 | brlcad | yep, go that |
| 06:15.12 | narnia | the only controller it supports is emc. |
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| 06:24.51 | narnia | now that brl-cad is open source my dream is to have brl-cad eventually interface to emc. |
| 06:25.45 | brlcad | would be a nice bridge to eventually have a path to g-code |
| 06:31.47 | narnia | brb |
| 07:16.13 | narnia | back |
| 07:16.26 | narnia | had to let the dog out and the cat in. |
| 07:18.46 | brlcad | what kind of dog? |
| 07:21.59 | narnia | huck is half border collie and half springer spanniel |
| 07:22.42 | narnia | huck is old like me and he has a pinched nerve in his neck. huck is having troublem walk and i am going to have to put him down soon. :-( |
| 07:23.23 | narnia | huck, has been my daily companion since 1996. |
| 07:24.04 | narnia | we got huck as a puppy in 1994. |
| 08:06.05 | brlcad | :( |
| 08:06.08 | brlcad | sorry to hear that |
| 08:06.56 | brlcad | my dog's getting old too, born in '92 |
| 08:07.30 | brlcad | had his mother most of her life before him too |
| 08:17.26 | narnia | it would cost 2-3k to operate on the pinched nerve in his neck. given huck's age the vet is not sure he would survive such a major surgery. |
| 08:21.08 | narnia | i am beginning to nod off. i am calling it a night. talk with you later today perhaps. |
| 08:21.23 | narnia | goodnight and peaceful dreams |
| 08:27.31 | brlcad | alright |
| 08:27.43 | brlcad | thanks for the info earlier re your project |
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