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| 05:32.39 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/conv/g-shell.rect.1: Since this man page was pretty hard to read, I re-formatted it. |
| 06:35.47 | Twingy | o.O |
| 06:36.27 | brlcad | 0.o |
| 06:36.54 | Twingy | it is now time to test an optimization |
| 07:09.07 | narnia | ^_^ |
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| 17:23.21 | tyche | Can anyone give me a clue as to how to start BRL-CAD. Yes, it's installed (Linux on Intel) |
| 17:23.39 | brlcad | tyche: hello :) |
| 17:23.56 | brlcad | tyche: I'd suggest reading the tutorial series documentation |
| 17:24.09 | brlcad | what's your interest? |
| 17:25.21 | tyche | OK, That's one thing that I didn't find, either in the downloaded package or on the website(s). I am a CAD operator (with 15 years experience) and would like something better than spending $1500 for AutoCAD. |
| 17:25.59 | tyche | So, where do I find the tutorial documentation? |
| 17:26.47 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org |
| 17:27.19 | brlcad | the overview is a quick intro |
| 17:27.43 | brlcad | volume II is a very detailed tutorial on one of the primary gui-based modelers (mged) |
| 17:28.16 | brlcad | volume III gets into more advanced topics |
| 17:28.58 | tyche | I read it. It gave no indication as to how to start the program. I'll try Volume II, then. A fast overview of volume II seemed to imply that the program was already started. I'll look again. Thanks :-) |
| 17:29.14 | brlcad | I must admit, though, that if you are interested in CADD (drafting) as opposed to CAD (design) that there are probably better tools, qcad comes to mind |
| 17:29.35 | brlcad | brlcad isn't a single program .. it's a suite of tools |
| 17:29.49 | brlcad | there are over 400 specific tools that do various things |
| 17:30.14 | brlcad | volume II focuses on 1 of them .. (albeit one of the largest/complex of them) the modeler mged |
| 17:30.45 | brlcad | the quick n' easy start is to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your path and then type "mged" |
| 17:31.01 | tyche | My primary interest is in 3D. The last few years I was using AutoCAD to do solid modeling of everything from Precast Concrete products to trucks, lift equipment, and even the boss's back yard and LARGE pond he developed. |
| 17:31.08 | brlcad | export PATH=/usr/brlcad/bin:$PATH |
| 17:31.15 | brlcad | ahh, excellent then ;) |
| 17:33.59 | tyche | Thanks. BRB - my groceries have arrived (isn't it nice to be decadent?) <BG> |
| 17:34.43 | brlcad | brl-cad is geared towards quite a different construction methodology than autocad and with a much less mature user interface, but most all of the same features are there in terms of design capabilities |
| 17:41.31 | brlcad | what's up? |
| 17:42.12 | jano | i want to go surfing :| |
| 17:42.42 | jano | but i can't go in the sun because of these stupid antibiotics :( |
| 17:45.13 | tyche | Dear jano :-) How EVER did you lift ALL FIVE FEET of Unix manuals to beat poor brlcad with? (yes, I've run a Unix machine a number of years ago) |
| 17:46.37 | tyche | brlcad > Different doesn't bother me. If it did, I wouldn't be out of Windows and running Ubuntu Linux (a modified Debian distro) |
| 17:46.54 | brlcad | tyche: in that light, most of brl-cad is designed in the unix philosophy of many small tools that perform some specific task well |
| 17:48.08 | tyche | Worse, I learned AutoCAD on my own in 2 weeks, and was turning out drawings that were better than the college trained person I was replacing. I am also familiar with GIMP and other programs, and the philosophy of Unix/Linux programming. |
| 17:50.39 | tyche | As for the groceries: I live in the Phoenix-Metro area (now), and Albertsons is nice enough to deliver to this second floor appartment for this poor 60 year old draftsman. |
| 17:53.47 | tyche | OK, NOW I'm getting an error code that at least I can understand. It appears that I need the libtcl libraries, so I'll have to go find them and get them installed. |
| 17:54.17 | narnia | brlcad, hello. concerning the nist scl3-2 source. since iso-10303-26 has been cancelled i am removing any references to part26 from the source code. |
| 17:54.46 | narnia | tyche, synaptic should find libtcl libs. |
| 17:55.22 | narnia | concerning groceries, that is what adult children are for. ;-) |
| 17:55.48 | brlcad | tyche: brl-cad ships tcl/tk with it .. you shouldn't have to get anything |
| 17:55.57 | brlcad | what version and how did you install it? |
| 17:56.11 | narnia | brlcad, i forgot that. i am bad. ;-) |
| 17:56.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:57.08 | brlcad | sounds like it was maybe relocated |
| 17:57.42 | narnia | brlcad, the bridal veil has been relocated? interesting. |
| 17:58.02 | brlcad | from your hands to my belly |
| 17:58.17 | narnia | brlcad, roflol |
| 17:58.23 | tyche | My adult children are 2300 miles away. I downloaded brlcad from SourceForge. The instructions to install assumed (and I use the term advisedly, realizing the breakdown of the word) that I was installing from source. The downloaded file was NOT a source file, but the Linux versions. |
| 17:58.49 | brlcad | tyche: and where is brl-cad installed at? |
| 17:59.03 | tyche | WILL you quit playing with your veil? Do you know where that veil has been? :-) |
| 17:59.09 | narnia | tyche, i have two adult children that moved back in with good olde dad? i would more than happy to loan you one. ;-) |
| 17:59.44 | brlcad | it's probably either expecting to be in /usr/brlcad or /usr/brlcad7.0/ia32 depending on which version |
| 18:00.32 | brlcad | if it was an error about tcl/tk initializing.. then you probably have it relocated somewhere else |
| 18:00.36 | tyche | brlcad is in /usr/brlcad/cad/. As to adult children, we're still supporting them. WE moved away from THEM (my wife's job promoted and transfered her) for which we are extremely grateful. |
| 18:00.45 | brlcad | ahh, that'd be why |
| 18:00.46 | narnia | tyche, i will even pay the shipping and handle. ;-) |
| 18:01.16 | narnia | brlcad, have i got a deal for you. ;-) |
| 18:01.32 | tyche | Ther error reads: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so.19: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. And I don't accept unordered products <BG> |
| 18:01.52 | tyche | What? You want to sell me waterfront property in Arizona? |
| 18:01.54 | brlcad | does it involve small islands or beach-front property in alabama? |
| 18:02.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:02.29 | tyche | Of course, with our latest flooding, that isn't as far fetched as it would appear. |
| 18:02.47 | brlcad | tyche: yes.. relocation errors.. try: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/brlcad/cad/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:02.59 | brlcad | and then: export BRLCAD_ROOT=/usr/brlcad/cad |
| 18:03.09 | tyche | How about property in Florida, guarenteed waterfront property - on top? |
| 18:03.27 | narnia | brlcad, you, yes you, can now have your very own 'house guest'. the 'house guest' is housebroken, but may require additional incentives to find outside activities. ;-) |
| 18:04.32 | brlcad | but does that house guest take care of my tomato slicing and steel pipes cutting needs too? |
| 18:04.44 | narnia | tyche, had that in spring and summer 1996. i wsa surrounded by water. 240 acres of farmland under water. i was an island. |
| 18:05.11 | narnia | brlcad, depends on which model you choose. ;-) |
| 18:05.31 | tyche | "No man is an island, entire to himself. . ." |
| 18:05.49 | tyche | Or woman, either (must be politically correct) |
| 18:06.03 | tyche | BTW, still the same error code. |
| 18:06.38 | narnia | tyche, that is odd that should have fixed it. |
| 18:07.41 | brlcad | ls -la /usr/brlcad/cad/lib/libtcl* |
| 18:08.11 | tyche | Tried it again. Discovered a typing error. Stand-By |
| 18:09.26 | tyche | WHEE! That went through about 10 inches of listing! They're there. I just can't seem to reach them. |
| 18:09.30 | brlcad | the relocation may not work at all to be honest.. at least mged might not work without setting a slew of tcl/tk run-time errors |
| 18:10.04 | brlcad | tcl/tk does not like to be relocated at all |
| 18:10.17 | tyche | narnia: you may be seated. OOPS! Sorry. At one time I was training to be a minister. |
| 18:10.21 | narnia | this is true |
| 18:10.22 | brlcad | there are like 6 environment variables that they use |
| 18:10.40 | tyche | Is there a configuration file that holds the env variables? |
| 18:11.05 | brlcad | no, it's all very low level initialization |
| 18:11.24 | brlcad | it can be fixed.. but it's usually just as easy to install it without relocating |
| 18:11.45 | brlcad | if you don't mind building, the steps are rather simple to get and install the latest |
| 18:11.50 | brlcad | from source |
| 18:12.51 | tyche | It would have been nice if they had simply handed me the source. So, what's the steps (BE ADVISED: I may have to step out for a couple of minutes to take the used kitty-litter out to the dumpster. This won't happen for at least 5 minutes) |
| 18:14.06 | brlcad | no problem |
| 18:14.31 | brlcad | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login |
| 18:14.36 | brlcad | [no password] |
| 18:14.56 | brlcad | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad checkout -P brlcad |
| 18:14.57 | tyche | synaptic has never heard of brlcad. Go figure! I can't understand that such an esoteric program would not be listed. :-) |
| 18:15.35 | brlcad | tyche: brl-cad's only been open source since jan ;) |
| 18:16.47 | tyche | OK, brlcad, I have a minor glitch. I may not have CVS on system. |
| 18:17.24 | tyche | I DID say that Ubuntu was modified. You can spell that S-T-R-I-P-P-E-D |
| 18:18.49 | brlcad | heh, okay |
| 18:18.57 | brlcad | then.. |
| 18:19.33 | tyche | Installing CVS now. |
| 18:19.46 | brlcad | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/brlcad/brlcad-7.2.0.tar.gz?download |
| 18:20.24 | brlcad | cvs will get you the very latest sources |
| 18:20.40 | brlcad | that link for 7.2.0 is only a couple days off |
| 18:21.57 | narnia | brlcad, i thought you were going to a wedding? |
| 18:22.35 | tyche | downloading now. MAN. THAT was fast. I can't believe I got the whole thing. |
| 18:23.23 | brlcad | narnia: I decided not to go |
| 18:25.56 | tyche | Extracting files to a local directory. From there, I'll follow the instructions that were listed? |
| 18:26.59 | tyche | BRB: Used kitty-litter run |
| 18:27.48 | brlcad | tyche: yes, the instructions listed should be good to follow |
| 18:28.27 | brlcad | if you got it from cvs, you'll run ./autogen.sh first and then ./configure .. if not from cvs and from that download, you can just run ./configure |
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| 18:29.17 | narnia | brlcad, i find weddings depressing. ymmv |
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| 18:42.52 | brlcad | one if by land, two if by irc? |
| 18:46.28 | tyche | My appologies for the delay. You wouldn't believe the things I've had to install to try to install BRL-CAD |
| 18:48.52 | tyche | Well, at least now it's saying that it's preparing to build. Autoconf, Automake and Libtools were all missing. I wish I could have gotten Fedora Core 3 to install on this machine. |
| 18:58.03 | tyche | Well, now I KNOW I'm loosing my mind. See, even my computer tells me so: C++ preprocessor "gcc -E" fails sanity check |
| 19:11.55 | brlcad | there's a slew of components required to actually run the gnu build system |
| 19:12.12 | brlcad | that c++ error is a libtool bug |
| 19:12.16 | brlcad | easy fix is to install g++ |
| 19:12.41 | brlcad | you don't need to install of the the gnu build system components if you didn't download from cvs |
| 19:13.28 | tyche | Installing now. Just took me a few minutes to read the config.log and figure out what I needed. |
| 19:13.44 | brlcad | you downloaded, didn't you? |
| 19:13.53 | brlcad | that c++ problem is worked around in the latest cvs |
| 19:13.59 | brlcad | at least it should be |
| 19:14.23 | tyche | I just got the G++ compiler. It wasn't on system. I'm trying ./configure again. |
| 19:14.39 | brlcad | but did you download or get cvs? |
| 19:14.59 | tyche | I downloaded from the SourceForge URL you gave me. |
| 19:15.51 | brlcad | ahh, then you didn't need to run ./autogen.sh (meaning you didn't need to install m4, perl, autoconf, automake, libtool, db3, etc ;) |
| 19:16.07 | tyche | This has gotten a lot further that the first time I tried it. |
| 19:16.30 | brlcad | you're configuring now? |
| 19:18.12 | tyche | Yes, and it looks good, for a change. |
| 19:18.41 | tyche | I REALLY do thank you for all your help and encouragement. (Though, we're not done yet :-) ) |
| 19:18.52 | brlcad | after configure, you'll run make and then "make install" as root |
| 19:19.00 | brlcad | no problem |
| 19:19.27 | brlcad | we need to improve the linux installation process.. |
| 19:19.37 | brlcad | warn about relocations |
| 19:19.57 | brlcad | or figure ways around it to allow them more easily |
| 19:20.46 | tyche | Yep. In fact, I'm doing the whole thing as root (well, all right, sudo). Improvements would be nice. If I've helped point out problems (I'm not too good at solving them <BG>) then that's good |
| 19:22.34 | tyche | brlcad: Do I take it to understand that you are someone heavily involved in the brl-cad project? Such as a programmer? |
| 19:23.39 | brlcad | that would be a fair understanding |
| 19:23.45 | brlcad | I'm one of the project leads |
| 19:24.04 | brlcad | maintainer and developer |
| 19:24.50 | narnia | tyche, brlcad is really the chief cook and bottle washer. ;-) |
| 19:25.03 | tyche | Then you have my profoundest compliments for the way you've answered a newbie's questions and helped out, here. And from the responses I'm getting off of configure, it would appear that you've tried to answer a great many low-level questions |
| 19:25.16 | narnia | tyche, i am a lowly bus boy. ;-) |
| 19:25.44 | tyche | narnia: don't put down chief cooks and bottle washers. They're like good secretaries. They are the ones that actually run things. |
| 19:27.02 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: consider providing installation and post configuration support scripts |
| 19:27.11 | brlcad | I'm a coffee gopher ;) |
| 19:27.31 | tyche | Hmmmm! It wanted to see if I was still here: "checking for sqrt... yes" |
| 19:27.56 | tyche | Oh, no. That's square-root. I thought it was an abbreviation for squirt |
| 19:28.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:28.23 | narnia | brlcad, the end of april there is an emc fest at nist. not sure if i will be able to make. if by chance i do what is your schedule like the end of april? |
| 19:28.35 | tyche | Creating MakeFiles |
| 19:29.04 | brlcad | narnia: no exact idea that far in advance |
| 19:29.19 | brlcad | tyche: wow.. this must be a rather slow machine? |
| 19:30.24 | narnia | brlcad, my thinking is to get brl-cad folks and the emc folks together to brainstorm the interface between the two. |
| 19:30.30 | tyche | Now doing "make". It's a Pentium III, 750MHz |
| 19:30.57 | narnia | tyche, how much memory is in that box? |
| 19:31.10 | brlcad | tyche: do you have opengl configured? |
| 19:31.59 | tyche | The only problem is that it has an NVidia GForce 4 graphics card, and most of the Linux installers don't understand to default to SVGA or generic NVidia (GPL'ed) drivers for such |
| 19:32.19 | tyche | I'm maxed at 512Meg RAM |
| 19:32.39 | narnia | tyche, understand. |
| 19:33.08 | tyche | As far as I know, I have OpenGL. At least, various screensavers that appear to make use of it operate correctly. |
| 19:33.24 | brlcad | the build system is presently wired on the assumption of opengl .. haven't made that build option auto-configureable yet |
| 19:33.27 | brlcad | that's good |
| 19:34.25 | tyche | I didn't happen to see any errors (flipping in and out of console) that looked like it couldn't find it. Make seems to be runnning all right. |
| 19:35.05 | brlcad | if you don't have the opengl developer libraries installed, it'll be a while before you hit an error |
| 19:36.01 | tyche | I may not have the developer libraries installed. If not, I presume that I can just pick up with "make" again after installing them? |
| 19:36.08 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:36.43 | tyche | No problem, then. Just a little more time consuming <BG>. Good thing I have nothing else to do on a Saturday Morning. |
| 19:38.22 | brlcad | i could still walk you through the proper unrelocated installation of the linux binary too :) |
| 19:39.05 | brlcad | that would definitely have been less work and would have been faster, but then where's the fun in that |
| 19:40.04 | brlcad | if you want to go that route, thought, just let me know ;) |
| 19:40.06 | tyche | I just hit a bunch of parse errors. I wasn't fast enough to get to the head of the list before it popped off the top of the terminal. Sorry. The first one that I could see had to do with tkDecls.h: |
| 19:40.43 | brlcad | tkDecls.h .. that'd be X11 headers |
| 19:41.17 | tyche | Yep. That's something I remember seeing as it flashed by. |
| 19:42.15 | brlcad | what's your distribution? |
| 19:43.27 | tyche | Ubuntu Linux, it's a modified Debian distribution. I think it's using XFree86 instead of X11 |
| 19:43.39 | brlcad | XFree86 is X11 |
| 19:45.17 | tyche | The development files for X11 show up in Synaptic: libx11-dev. |
| 19:45.53 | brlcad | there are two X11 distributions though |
| 19:46.16 | brlcad | xlibs-dev maybe? |
| 19:46.32 | tyche | I do appologize for throwing nothing but problems at you. Let me check on that. |
| 19:47.07 | brlcad | no problem at all |
| 19:47.23 | brlcad | it might be libx11-dev, i'm not that familiar with ubuntu's packages |
| 19:47.52 | tyche | This may take a moment. I found xlibs-dev, and it's added about 10 more dependencies. |
| 19:48.26 | tyche | OK, THAT took. Now, how do I find the opengl development packages? |
| 19:49.56 | tyche | I see the python-opengl binding programs (already installed) but nothing on plain, old, ordinary opengl |
| 19:51.11 | brlcad | no, nvidia probably already installed it if youre using their drivers |
| 19:52.41 | tyche | I'm not sure whether it's NVidia drivers or the Generic drivers. I had to force GRUB to accept the generic to even see the screen to finish the installation. After it was installed, I pulled the drivers off Synaptic, first thing. I DO get the NVidia splash screen. |
| 19:53.15 | brlcad | yeah, you're probably good to try continuing |
| 19:55.04 | tyche | Well, let me hit "make" again. "And away-y-y we go. . ." |
| 19:56.12 | tyche | "Make" is making. And I'm for more coffee and a couple of Motrin. |
| 19:58.56 | tyche | Isn't it difficult to type with your fingers crossed? Well, maybe not. I know that I can type as well with my eyes crossed as without. 40 mistakes a minute, with words. :-) |
| 20:01.23 | brlcad | abg qvssvphyg ng nyy |
| 20:01.31 | brlcad | ~rot13 abg qvssvphyg ng nyy |
| 20:01.31 | ibot | not difficult at all |
| 20:02.27 | tyche | Yep, that's about right <LOLROFPMP> . Oh, BTW, I just caught a "warning": tkUnixDialog.c:64: warning: passing arg 4 of pointer to function from incompatible pointer type |
| 20:03.35 | brlcad | that's fine, warnings are okay ;) |
| 20:03.42 | brlcad | especially tcl/tk warnings |
| 20:03.53 | brlcad | we don't fix their code more than we have to |
| 20:04.46 | tyche | Not when they're followed by a BUNCH of "undefined references" and "collect2: ld returned 1 exit statusmake[4]: *** [wish] Error 1" |
| 20:05.34 | tyche | I don't think it liked my version of the x11 header files. |
| 20:06.13 | brlcad | hrm |
| 20:06.21 | brlcad | undefined references would be libraries |
| 20:06.40 | brlcad | what's one of the undefined references? |
| 20:07.21 | tyche | Yep. That was the last thing installed. The last one before "make" dropped out was: /usr/brlcad/src/other/libtk/generic/tkCanvWind.c:903: undefined reference to `XGetImage' |
| 20:07.48 | brlcad | hmm.. yes, that's an x11 library symbol |
| 20:08.02 | tyche | The first one was: /usr/brlcad/src/other/libtk/unix/tkUnixFont.c:693: undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' |
| 20:08.24 | brlcad | ls -la /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11* |
| 20:08.40 | brlcad | oh, it might be configure |
| 20:09.05 | brlcad | you first ran configure without X11, so it's probably not added /usr/X11R6 to your paths |
| 20:09.20 | brlcad | try running configure again and then make again |
| 20:09.36 | tyche | Well, THAT can be corrected. Running configure. |
| 20:10.08 | brlcad | either that or you really don't have your X11 libs installed (which isn't likely) |
| 20:10.45 | tyche | Oh, BTW, what is "fink" (as in: checking for fink in /sw... not found) |
| 20:12.06 | tyche | (I DO hope you're not getting writer's cramp from writing down all the mistakes I'm making <G>) |
| 20:13.13 | brlcad | no no :) |
| 20:13.27 | brlcad | fink is an optional package mangement system on mac os x |
| 20:13.40 | brlcad | if fink is found, configure automatically searches there for libraries and header files too |
| 20:14.17 | tyche | Ah, then I can ignore that. This DEFINITELY isn't a Mac. |
| 20:14.34 | tyche | Configure seems to be resolving MUCH faster than it did before. |
| 20:14.39 | brlcad | shame ;) |
| 20:14.50 | brlcad | yeah, configure will used cached results where it can |
| 20:15.11 | tyche | 3 minutes instead of 16. That's some savings. |
| 20:15.57 | brlcad | 16 is incredible.. |
| 20:16.59 | tyche | That's what the last one was. BTW, "make" just exited again with errors. One of them (the first I could reach) was: Option.c:1619: undefined reference to `XFree'./.libs/libtk.a(tkOption.o)(.text+0x1cb7):/usr/brlcad/src/other/libtk/generic/tk |
| 20:17.39 | brlcad | hrm, same problem |
| 20:17.46 | tyche | It obviously still doesn't like my library files. |
| 20:18.02 | brlcad | so you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11* |
| 20:20.11 | tyche | I have a hunch that either Debian or Ubuntu doesn't use the standard path. |
| 20:20.32 | tyche | What I have (pardon the formatting) is: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1357972 2004-11-17 07:31 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX1 1.alrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2005-03-12 12:47 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX1 1.so -> libX11.so.6lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-02-20 16:34 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX1 1.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 789104 2004-11-17 07:31 /usr/X11R6/lib/libX1 1.so.6.2 |
| 20:20.48 | brlcad | that's good |
| 20:21.08 | tyche | Two of those are simlinks |
| 20:21.26 | brlcad | try "make LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/X11R6/include" |
| 20:25.23 | tyche | OK, that was better. BUT. . . make[5]: Entering directory `/usr/brlcad/src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic' /bin/sh ../../../../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../../../../include/bin/sh ../../../../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../../../../include -I/usr/X11R6/includelibtool: compile: cannot determine name of library object from `include' -I/usr/X11R6/include libtool: compile: cannot determine n |
| 20:25.36 | narnia | brlcad, link for emc fest at nist. http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC_news_history/Programmers-Fest2005.html |
| 20:29.33 | tyche | * tyche wonders how narnia managed to pick the lock on the manicals and escape from the dungeon. |
| 20:33.58 | brlcad | tyche: that's good -- make clean |
| 20:34.15 | tyche | Ah, I see (said the blind man). A blind programmer, working in braille. Talk about a double translation. |
| 20:34.16 | brlcad | then: ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/X11R6/include" |
| 20:34.36 | tyche | OK, brlcad, make clean on it's way. |
| 20:35.01 | narnia | tyche, not blind, just have multiple physical challenges that tom helps with. |
| 20:35.45 | tyche | You're fortunate. Mine are mental and don't show. So people can't accept that I have any. |
| 20:36.49 | tyche | And now running ./configure (etc.) |
| 20:38.12 | narnia | my were caused by a large rack of electronic equipment trying it's best to flatten my body like a pancake. |
| 20:38.55 | tyche | If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the NOC <BG> |
| 20:39.25 | narnia | brlcad, speaking of service animals, if by chance i do make it out to maryland the end of april what are your facilities rules on service animals? |
| 20:39.49 | tyche | Creating Makefiles |
| 20:40.27 | tyche | I'll take 2 |
| 20:40.59 | tyche | And now engaging "make" |
| 20:43.20 | tyche | Sorry, wrong number. Error Code 1, following: gcc -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -g -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -g -o .libs/pngtest pngtest.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 ./.libs/libpng.so -ldl -lm -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/brlcad/lib followed by a bunc of undefined references starting with: ./.libs/libpng.so: undefined reference to `deflate' |
| 20:46.51 | tyche | I just installed the libpng-dev files. I take it I should "make clean" again, then ./configure and make? |
| 20:48.12 | brlcad | ahh, close |
| 20:49.02 | brlcad | ./configure LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lpng -lz -lpthread" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/X11R6/include" |
| 20:49.23 | narnia | close only counts in horseshoes, grenades, and thermo-nuclear devices. |
| 20:50.02 | tyche | Accepted. Sorry, I didn't include all the flags on my statement, but would have grabbed them from the previous text. My bad. |
| 20:50.43 | tyche | Now configuring. |
| 20:51.15 | tyche | I AM glad that it can't find the fink <BG> |
| 20:52.36 | narnia | tyche, fink is used with macos-x. |
| 20:52.55 | tyche | Oh, yes. That junoir version of BSD |
| 20:55.12 | tyche | And now engaging "make" |
| 20:58.58 | tyche | This is encouraging. It hasn't errored out yet. |
| 20:59.09 | brlcad | ugh.. hopefully :) |
| 21:02.42 | brlcad | if this doesn't work, we should just install the binary :) |
| 21:03.21 | tyche | I really need to learn programming. After all, who but a hungry programmer would think to define "words" in bytes, bits, and nibbles? |
| 21:03.43 | brlcad | I can have a binary built and posted by the time it takes your configure to run using some of my better resources ;) |
| 21:03.54 | tyche | brlcad: we may do that. But I have hope for this one. |
| 21:04.56 | tyche | I have no doubt that you COULD. But, considering that this is a 3 year old home-built system, I don't think it's doing too bad. And think of all the things you're teaching me. |
| 21:05.09 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:06.38 | tyche | Of course, I already knew how to swear. 4 years Air Force and about 20 years driving truck (bus and anything else with wheels). (And for fun, you should try the SR101 around Phoenix at 6:00 AM. Can you spell "dodge-um"?) |
| 21:11.53 | tyche | I have seen a bunch of warnings, but "make" is still running. |
| 21:12.31 | brlcad | good news then :) |
| 21:13.18 | tyche | BTW, that "dodge-um" on the 101 was at 70 MPH. Every weekday morning. In a Jeep Wrangler. |
| 21:13.59 | tyche | entering brlcad/src/libn |
| 21:15.37 | brlcad | should be smooth sailing at least until src/burst |
| 21:16.06 | tyche | Yes, but I don't know how far down the list that is. |
| 21:17.27 | brlcad | a ways.. |
| 21:27.33 | tyche | OK, it just errorred again: if_ogl.c:66:20: GL/glx.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:28.31 | tyche | Looks like it's glitching on OpenGL or Glade. |
| 21:28.31 | brlcad | there we go.. mesagl-dev headers :) |
| 21:28.37 | brlcad | yep, opengl |
| 21:29.50 | tyche | Mesagl-dev is not showing up in Synaptic |
| 21:30.08 | tyche | I also tried variations on that, and no luck |
| 21:33.24 | brlcad | xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 21:34.30 | tyche | I didn't even think about mesa. Shame on me. |
| 21:35.16 | tyche | xlibmesa-gl-dev installed. make clean and "redo from start" |
| 21:35.26 | brlcad | just try make |
| 21:35.34 | brlcad | "should" keep going |
| 21:36.32 | tyche | Good point. I forgot that it'll test to see what's done. |
| 21:38.35 | tyche | into usr/brlcad/src/optical |
| 21:41.11 | brlcad | excellent |
| 21:41.28 | jano | your butt is wide.. well mine is too |
| 21:41.30 | brlcad | i think you've hit just about every problem possible |
| 21:41.32 | jano | just watch your mouth |
| 21:41.34 | jano | or I'll sit on you |
| 21:41.53 | tyche | I just saw a "make all", which leads me to believe that we may be in the final stages. |
| 21:42.16 | brlcad | only problem you haven't hit yet is curses library I think :) |
| 21:42.23 | brlcad | so there may be one more still :) |
| 21:42.45 | brlcad | I'll need to see if I can get access to a fresh ubuntu box to make all of these checks automatic |
| 21:43.09 | tyche | The note was "make all in conv" followed by: entering /usr/brlcad/src/conv |
| 21:43.24 | brlcad | yes, it'll say something similar to that in every dir |
| 21:44.17 | tyche | I don't know if it would be worth it. There should be a new version of Ubuntu out shortly. Currently it's "Warty Warthog", and the next is "Hoary Hedgehog". |
| 21:44.32 | brlcad | by the way, conv is about directory #10 out of about 40 |
| 21:44.42 | tyche | Hoary is currently in the final stages. |
| 21:45.12 | brlcad | i generally run gentoo on my own hardware given a choice |
| 21:45.34 | brlcad | RHEL and debian at work from time to time |
| 21:45.54 | brlcad | bsd's tend to be my primary |
| 21:46.35 | tyche | I couldn't get Gentoo to work. BTW, glitched again. Entering directory `/usr/brlcad/src/fbserv' followed by: ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XextAddDisplay' and exit |
| 21:47.22 | brlcad | i more libs.. |
| 21:47.31 | brlcad | cd src/fbserv |
| 21:47.39 | brlcad | make LIBS="-lX11 -lXext" |
| 21:48.49 | tyche | OK, then back out and "make" again? |
| 21:50.29 | tyche | It still didn't like it. Same result. |
| 21:51.21 | tyche | This time it was in `/usr/brlcad/src/rt |
| 21:53.42 | tyche | I'm doing the same thing we did to src/fbserv, then I'll try "make" again. |
| 21:57.23 | tyche | It appears to be running free, again. Still checking. |
| 21:58.35 | tyche | Yup. It glitched on "burst". Once more with the "quick fix" |
| 22:00.57 | tyche | OK, the "quick fix" didn't take. Now it's arguing about: Sc.o(.text+0x65): In function `ScLoadTP':/usr/brlcad/src/burst/Sc.c:123: undefined reference to `tgetnum' |
| 22:01.14 | tyche | Among others. |
| 22:01.57 | brlcad | yep, that's the curses problem |
| 22:02.01 | brlcad | so congrats.. |
| 22:02.04 | brlcad | you hit them all |
| 22:02.21 | brlcad | i think this is a first :) |
| 22:02.24 | tyche | Somehow I don't feel properly grateful :-) |
| 22:02.38 | brlcad | let's see |
| 22:02.42 | brlcad | do you have ncurses installed? |
| 22:03.12 | tyche | Yes, but not the development packages. |
| 22:03.42 | brlcad | yes, ncurses-dev |
| 22:04.44 | tyche | libncurses-dev is the closest I could get. |
| 22:05.13 | brlcad | that's it |
| 22:06.52 | tyche | It apparently doesn't like my "cursing" at it. Still the same result in src/burst |
| 22:11.30 | tyche | It almost looks like src/burst didn't accept the changes made to src/fbserv: make LIBS="-lX11 -lXext" |
| 22:11.49 | brlcad | make LIBS="-lncurses" |
| 22:13.20 | tyche | I get the same references to undefined terms in ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so |
| 22:14.03 | brlcad | hmm.. where are you? |
| 22:14.26 | tyche | PWD /usr/brlcad/src/burst |
| 22:14.53 | brlcad | ahh, lesse |
| 22:15.42 | brlcad | same unresolved symbols? |
| 22:17.20 | tyche | ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XextAddDisplay'../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XextFindDisplay'../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XextCreateExtension'../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XextRemoveDisplay'../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `XMissingExtension' |
| 22:17.28 | tyche | Pardon the formatting |
| 22:17.50 | brlcad | ahh |
| 22:18.00 | brlcad | make LIBS="-lncurses -lX11 -lXext" |
| 22:18.50 | tyche | OK, that finished successfully |
| 22:19.34 | tyche | Back out to /usr/brlcad/src and "make"? |
| 22:19.42 | brlcad | back out and |
| 22:19.47 | brlcad | same make as burst |
| 22:20.27 | brlcad | might still need the others too.. but you'll find out easily enough |
| 22:21.36 | tyche | That apparently took care of burst. Unfortunately, bwish just glitched. |
| 22:21.49 | brlcad | argh |
| 22:21.54 | brlcad | my apologies tyche |
| 22:22.24 | brlcad | i've only had the chance to test ubuntu once before this .. otherwise you wouldn't be experiencing all these problems |
| 22:23.24 | tyche | No problem. When I realized it wouldn't be a quick fix (about 4 hours ago), I figured that anything I could show you as happening would only help - - if you wanted my help. |
| 22:23.58 | tyche | I'm not a programmer, but I'm a GREAT stumbling block :-) |
| 22:24.44 | tyche | And one can't expect a developer to have ALL the OS's |
| 22:25.21 | brlcad | only about 10, but not ubuntu :) |
| 22:25.51 | brlcad | how about we try the binary install just for sake of getting it working? :) |
| 22:27.39 | tyche | Some of my experiences with Ubuntu have led me to believe that I should unbundle the Fedora core iso and see if I could force it to accept the NVidia generic drivers. Yes, if you want to try the binaries, I'd be happy to try. I still have the tgz file brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz |
| 22:28.16 | tyche | I'll have to strip out the /usr/brlcad directory, first, of course. |
| 22:28.31 | brlcad | strip out? |
| 22:29.13 | tyche | Remove all that we've been working on, and the source code, so it doesn't confuse the binary installation |
| 22:29.47 | brlcad | where have you been doing this compile? |
| 22:29.57 | brlcad | in your home directory, yes? |
| 22:30.41 | tyche | If I did it in my home directory, I wouldn't be able to reach it as a user. I've been operating as root. |
| 22:30.55 | tyche | PWD /usr/brlcad |
| 22:31.12 | brlcad | heh, hmm |
| 22:31.25 | brlcad | that would probably have caused some interesting side effects.. |
| 22:31.31 | brlcad | mv /usr/brlcad /usr/brlcad.backup |
| 22:31.47 | tyche | Yep, I heard that tone of voice. What do you expect from a newbie. |
| 22:32.26 | tyche | Done |
| 22:33.14 | brlcad | where's the brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz? |
| 22:33.34 | tyche | That IS in my home directory: /home/craig |
| 22:33.55 | brlcad | cd /home/craig |
| 22:34.10 | brlcad | tar zxvf brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz |
| 22:34.25 | brlcad | mv usr/brlcad* /usr/. |
| 22:34.47 | brlcad | ls -la /usr/brlcad* |
| 22:37.38 | tyche | Listing of /usr/brlcad7.0 is ia32 (a directory) |
| 22:37.59 | brlcad | export PATH=/usr/brlcad7.0/ia32/bin:$PATH |
| 22:38.08 | brlcad | unset BRLCAD_ROOT |
| 22:38.11 | brlcad | mged |
| 22:38.31 | brlcad | actually, mged -n test.g |
| 22:39.35 | tyche | And it asks if I want to create a new database (I finally caught up with you) |
| 22:39.43 | brlcad | yes |
| 22:40.18 | tyche | "attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]?" |
| 22:40.20 | brlcad | don't worry .. fast typing is a blessing and a curse :) RSI sucks |
| 22:40.24 | brlcad | X |
| 22:40.42 | brlcad | should pop up a big black window |
| 22:41.26 | tyche | With 2 enclosed in yellow boxes, one saying Viewing, and the other saying Button Menu |
| 22:41.46 | brlcad | yep, great |
| 22:41.50 | tyche | Looks like you did it. |
| 22:41.51 | brlcad | go ahead and quit |
| 22:41.59 | brlcad | one more test |
| 22:43.01 | tyche | OK, go ahead. |
| 22:43.05 | brlcad | mged test.g |
| 22:43.37 | brlcad | should get maybe some Xlib extension warnings and two windows should pop up |
| 22:45.06 | tyche | NO Xlib extension warnings. Two windows: MGED Graphics and MGED Command |
| 22:45.22 | tyche | This is looking VERY promising. |
| 22:46.42 | brlcad | excellent |
| 22:46.57 | tyche | You even have a good "Getting Started" help file. This is great. Thanks. |
| 22:47.15 | brlcad | in the mged command window type "make sphere sph" |
| 22:47.38 | brlcad | then "rt -F/dev/Xl" |
| 22:48.05 | CIA-3 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): provide a quit handaler message |
| 22:49.11 | tyche | It ended with "Raytrace Complete" |
| 22:49.40 | brlcad | you have a window show up? |
| 22:50.10 | brlcad | with a sphere in it |
| 22:51.10 | tyche | No. But that may be my fault. It looked like the last of that command was an X followed by a "pipe" (|) |
| 22:51.26 | brlcad | ahh, you closed the window |
| 22:51.28 | brlcad | i think |
| 22:51.47 | brlcad | try the rt line again and wait for it |
| 22:51.52 | tyche | What was following the X? |
| 22:53.23 | tyche | I saw the window form, and then dropped out. |
| 22:54.33 | brlcad | a lowercase "ell" .. l |
| 22:54.46 | brlcad | rt -F/dev/Xl |
| 22:55.11 | brlcad | like linger (which is what the ell means ;) |
| 22:55.36 | tyche | We have Sphere! And a new window named Frame Buffer |
| 22:55.45 | brlcad | alternatively, go to File->Raytrace |
| 22:55.50 | brlcad | excellent |
| 22:56.37 | tyche | GREAT! |
| 22:56.58 | brlcad | in another terminal type: asc2g /usr/brlcad.backup/db/havoc.asc /home/craig/havoc.g |
| 22:57.15 | tyche | That works better than POV-Ray. I wish there were something like this for Windows a few years ago. |
| 22:58.06 | brlcad | it's only very recently that pov-ray has had features that brl-cad has had since the late 80's |
| 22:58.25 | brlcad | pov-ray still does very good on global illumination models, though |
| 22:58.45 | brlcad | it's nowhere near as optimized as brl-cad is for huge models, though |
| 22:58.48 | brlcad | or csg |
| 22:58.52 | tyche | I know. BTW, my system doesn't recognize asc2g |
| 22:59.06 | brlcad | it's that PATH line |
| 22:59.12 | brlcad | you use bash? |
| 22:59.42 | brlcad | edit your ~/.bash_profile and add "export PATH=/usr/brlcad7.0/ia32/bin:$PATH" |
| 23:01.15 | brlcad | then you'll be able to run asc2g and company in new terminal windows |
| 23:05.42 | tyche | BRL-CAD blows AutoCAD rendering out of the water. bash still doesn't recognize asc2g |
| 23:06.51 | brlcad | the path will only go into effect on new windows |
| 23:07.05 | brlcad | unless you type ". ~/.bash_profile" |
| 23:07.17 | brlcad | to reload the profile |
| 23:10.32 | brlcad | asc2g is one of the file converters.. there's a model of a havoc helicopter in the source distribution that should be nice to see |
| 23:22.15 | tyche | OK, I finally got the file converted. And I also checked out that I could open mged from a user terminal (rather than root). The file is loaded, how do I get it into the graphic window? |
| 23:26.22 | brlcad | mged ~/havoc.g |
| 23:27.35 | brlcad | then run Tools->GeometryBrowser |
| 23:27.44 | brlcad | and double-click the name of the havoc |
| 23:27.52 | brlcad | (once) |
| 23:30.34 | tyche | This must be a large database. The scrollbar is taking forever to respond. |
| 23:31.27 | brlcad | it's "small" as var as brl-cad database for a real model (like a tank) get, but it's got some detail to it |
| 23:32.04 | tyche | That's rather obvious, seeing how far down I had to go to get to the name |
| 23:32.24 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 23:32.37 | brlcad | shouldn't have had to "go down" .. |
| 23:32.50 | brlcad | you're in the geometry browser or something else? |
| 23:33.21 | tyche | There are a lot of objects listed in the Geometry Browser. Near the end is the havoc folder. |
| 23:34.52 | brlcad | okay |
| 23:35.14 | brlcad | that's suspicious but okay |
| 23:35.24 | brlcad | does the havoc show if you select it? |
| 23:36.09 | tyche | THis is not that fast a system (I'd love to have had one of those SGI computers), but it eventually gets there. The havoc wireframe is in the graphics window. |
| 23:36.54 | tyche | raytrace may take a while. |
| 23:36.59 | brlcad | unless you're dishing out for one of sgi's supercomputers, they're not the best graphics boxes out there |
| 23:37.42 | brlcad | the dual g5 macs are pretty much the best price-performance-point right now |
| 23:37.42 | tyche | For my purposes, this little old 750MHz P3 is good enough. |
| 23:38.49 | brlcad | brl-cad will run on just about anything only limited by the model complexity |
| 23:39.03 | brlcad | that havoc is probably the most detailed you'll see outside of military uses |
| 23:39.42 | brlcad | though one of our modelers did create a complete inside-out model of a walkie talkie that is really impressive |
| 23:39.47 | brlcad | very detailed |
| 23:40.31 | brlcad | using the photorealistic global illumination renderer, it looks very much like the real thing |
| 23:41.00 | tyche | Now I'm getting excited. There's this "Warthog" I wouldn't mind modeling :-) |
| 23:41.41 | brlcad | I'd suggest going through volumes II and III of the tutorials -- that covers most of the basics of modeling |
| 23:43.44 | tyche | I definitely will. As well as the help files. I'm a great one for believing in reading the manuals. When I ran a SUN Spark Workstation, I read all 5 feet of the manuals :-) |
| 23:44.05 | brlcad | egads :) |
| 23:44.28 | brlcad | well, brl-cad's got about that much documentation, so try to pace yourself? :) |
| 23:44.45 | brlcad | 400 tools .. you've seen 2 ;) |
| 23:44.59 | tyche | I will have to remember some of the tricks you taught me, today. Especially the PATH tricks. BTW, It took about 2 weeks on the job to read them all. |
| 23:45.16 | brlcad | the PATH should be a 1-time thing if you put it into your ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:45.33 | brlcad | that's a shell thing, not a brl-cad thing (man bash, for example) |
| 23:46.19 | tyche | When I got done, I was able to do what the college trained UNIX Administrator the company hired couldn't figure out how to do. I even forced them to respect that I needed su to be able to do backups on the drawing files. |
| 23:47.01 | brlcad | the documentation on the website is the most accurate and well written |
| 23:47.05 | tyche | I was nasty, and removed the password for root when they wouldn't give it to me. And they hadn't supplied a script that would do tape backups. |
| 23:47.17 | brlcad | hehe |
| 23:47.26 | tyche | I've already downloaded the pdf's from the website. |
| 23:47.44 | tyche | Now, I've got some reading to do besides Science Fiction |
| 23:48.08 | tyche | Thanks again for your help. |
| 23:49.06 | brlcad | and off into the sunset he rode |