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| 11:02.44 | thumPer1052 | Wow! There IS a time when all the world's asleep! |
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| 13:06.00 | archivist_ | sleep causes programming deprivation |
| 14:58.37 | brlcad | lhehe |
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| 15:43.22 | MikeC | hi Twingy_ |
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| 15:55.21 | brlcad | howdy MikeC |
| 15:56.49 | MikeC | hello brlcad |
| 15:57.14 | MikeC | This is Mike Caruso, I visited ARL in mid july |
| 15:57.40 | brlcad | the name is very familiar |
| 15:58.12 | brlcad | aah, and you spoke with Lee for quite a while, iirc |
| 15:58.20 | MikeC | yes |
| 15:58.29 | MikeC | and Justin |
| 15:58.45 | brlcad | got it |
| 15:59.03 | MikeC | do you know anything about Justin's ray tracer? along the lines of shot line analysis? |
| 16:01.10 | brlcad | a little bit, he'll be back in a while .. ping Twingy_ for his attention ;) |
| 16:01.40 | brlcad | the ISST tool in ADRT is toolset he put together |
| 16:01.40 | MikeC | ok I messaged him, thanks |
| 16:01.50 | MikeC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.57 | MikeC | I forgot the name of the ray tracer |
| 16:01.58 | brlcad | i'm more familiar with librt's shot-line analysis interface |
| 16:02.00 | MikeC | so its called ADRT? |
| 16:02.24 | brlcad | ADRT is a collection of tools based around his triangle-tracer |
| 16:02.33 | MikeC | ok |
| 16:02.41 | brlcad | in adrt is isst and rise |
| 16:02.53 | MikeC | what is isst and rise? |
| 16:02.59 | brlcad | "interative shotline selection tool" and the "realistic image synthesis engine" |
| 16:03.46 | MikeC | ok I'll talk to him later on today |
| 16:03.50 | brlcad | basically isst is real-time ray-tracing for model visualization, rise is path-tracing for pretty pictures |
| 16:04.51 | MikeC | I'll be back in a few hours |
| 16:50.06 | ``Erik | shoulda gone to lunch with us, sean |
| 16:51.17 | Twingy_ | hi |
| 16:52.52 | brlcad | ``Erik: i had good noodles |
| 16:53.05 | Twingy_ | as opposed to BAD noodles |
| 16:53.12 | brlcad | yup |
| 16:53.13 | Twingy_ | behind armor debris noodles |
| 16:53.16 | Twingy_ | :) |
| 16:53.24 | brlcad | kermit had lots of BAD noodles |
| 16:53.50 | brlcad | i didn't think they could go bad.. but sure enough, give 'em a decade.. |
| 16:54.02 | Twingy_ | I think the mouse would get to them before then |
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| 17:25.43 | ``Erik | heh |
| 17:26.00 | ``Erik | did kermit spall all over? |
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| 18:41.49 | MikeC-Away | Twingy_ do you have a moment to discuss ADRT? |
| 18:42.11 | Twingy_ | yep |
| 18:42.59 | MikeC1 | can the code for ADRT be found in the 7.6.0 distribution of brlcad? |
| 18:43.19 | Twingy_ | brlcad/src/adrt/ |
| 18:44.02 | MikeC1 | ok the application that displayed the fault tree, is that a separate thing? |
| 18:44.27 | Twingy_ | that's fuzzy attribute viewer, part of brian's project |
| 18:44.50 | MikeC1 | that is probably not part of the brlcad source tree right? |
| 18:44.56 | Twingy_ | correct |
| 18:45.08 | MikeC1 | is it possible to get just the fault tree data itself? |
| 18:45.21 | Twingy_ | that's a sysdef file |
| 18:45.27 | Twingy_ | those are usually classified/sensitive |
| 18:46.03 | Twingy_ | did you mean input data or result data? |
| 18:46.06 | MikeC1 | are there any example fault trees we can work with? |
| 18:46.15 | MikeC1 | well just the tree itself |
| 18:46.21 | Twingy_ | yes, I think 2 are included in the fuzzy attribute project |
| 18:46.42 | MikeC1 | ok thats good |
| 18:46.51 | MikeC1 | should we talk to Brian on getting the code for that project? |
| 18:46.55 | Twingy_ | you'll have to contact brian if you want to see about getting a copy of that |
| 18:46.58 | MikeC1 | ok |
| 18:47.07 | Twingy_ | he'll be in tommorrow |
| 18:47.12 | Twingy_ | you can call him |
| 18:47.18 | MikeC1 | ok cool, does he come on here at all? |
| 18:47.33 | Twingy_ | nope, he's an irc troglodyte :) |
| 18:47.42 | MikeC1 | hahahaha |
| 18:47.46 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:48.11 | MikeC1 | its good to know you guys are available here |
| 18:48.22 | MikeC1 | just dont die from those noodles |
| 18:48.24 | MikeC1 | or something |
| 18:48.36 | brlcad | the noodles were great ;) |
| 18:48.47 | Twingy_ | if the noodles kill him, brl-cad dies :) |
| 18:48.51 | MikeC1 | I had some noodles today too |
| 18:49.26 | Twingy_ | unfortunately sean is the brl-cad team :) |
| 18:49.56 | brlcad | not "entirely", but mostly the heavy lifter for anything not in src/adrt ;) |
| 18:50.05 | MikeC1 | so does the fault tree need to mirror the articulation of the object in the g file being rendered by the ADRT? |
| 18:50.27 | Twingy_ | it requires a regmap file |
| 18:50.36 | Twingy_ | that maps a .g file's region ID to a muves component name |
| 18:50.42 | MikeC1 | oh ok |
| 18:50.43 | Twingy_ | the component name is what is used in the sysdef file |
| 18:50.52 | Twingy_ | my g-adrt converter takes an option regmap file |
| 18:51.06 | Twingy_ | and converts region names to muves names for you |
| 18:51.30 | Twingy_ | it's not a very turn-key process yet |
| 18:51.38 | MikeC1 | do you have brian's number handy? if not i'll call the general number |
| 18:51.39 | Twingy_ | mostly bubblegum and duct tape |
| 18:51.39 | MikeC1 | thats ok |
| 18:51.45 | MikeC1 | as long as you are here |
| 18:51.48 | MikeC1 | and we can ask questions |
| 18:51.51 | Twingy_ | yep |
| 18:51.53 | Twingy_ | one sec |
| 18:52.19 | Twingy_ | 3872 |
| 18:52.22 | MikeC1 | k |
| 18:52.30 | Twingy_ | oops |
| 18:52.32 | Twingy_ | 3782 |
| 18:53.01 | MikeC1 | how is the windows port going? |
| 18:53.18 | brlcad | MikeC1: there's an alpha ready for testing if you're interested |
| 18:53.24 | MikeC1 | ooooo |
| 18:53.33 | MikeC1 | adrt too? |
| 18:53.41 | Twingy_ | not so much :) |
| 18:53.48 | MikeC1 | ok |
| 18:53.58 | MikeC1 | Twingy: will FC4 work? |
| 18:54.04 | Twingy_ | windows for distributed computing seems kinda hairy :) |
| 18:54.12 | Twingy_ | yes |
| 18:54.14 | MikeC1 | oh thats one thing i should point out |
| 18:54.15 | brlcad | nope, mainly mged and all the tools exposed by mged (rt, converters) and archer |
| 18:54.22 | MikeC1 | we do not have a distributed environment set up here |
| 18:54.27 | Twingy_ | ah |
| 18:54.28 | MikeC1 | looking to run everyone on one CPU for now |
| 18:54.37 | MikeC1 | everything* |
| 18:54.39 | Twingy_ | well, don't expect great performance |
| 18:54.44 | MikeC1 | thats ok |
| 18:54.49 | Twingy_ | you'll be lucky to top 1mil rays/sec |
| 18:54.54 | MikeC1 | we're going to use some simple models |
| 18:54.58 | MikeC1 | thats ok for us man |
| 18:55.20 | MikeC1 | we are mainly looking at it for the fault tree and shot line stuff |
| 18:55.26 | MikeC1 | with the slicing views |
| 18:55.54 | Twingy_ | ah |
| 18:56.04 | Twingy_ | should buy a couple AMD X2's ;) |
| 18:56.10 | MikeC1 | is there any work being done related to giving mass to the projectile? |
| 18:56.53 | Twingy_ | erm, that's a vulnerability algorithm, you could toss that in |
| 18:57.02 | MikeC1 | ok |
| 18:57.16 | Twingy_ | I've got a new program I'm working on that might address that |
| 18:57.39 | MikeC1 | and mainly what our goal is to expose the capabilities of these things to the TENA/HLA world |
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| 18:57.53 | MikeC1 | so that people who simulate vehicles/projectiles/etc in a scenario can use this as a result |
| 18:58.21 | Twingy_ | yep, I've got plans for that too ;) |
| 18:58.30 | Twingy_ | check back on me in a few weeks :} |
| 18:58.56 | MikeC1 | oh you are working with TENA/HLA? |
| 18:59.02 | Twingy_ | erm, not so much |
| 18:59.15 | ``Erik | weee, network breakage hehehe |
| 18:59.29 | Twingy_ | muhaha |
| 19:00.36 | Twingy_ | the great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from :) |
| 19:00.43 | ``Erik | prasad, jason, ron, etc have no neworking hehehe |
| 19:00.49 | ``Erik | who said that quote? |
| 19:00.53 | Twingy_ | maybe I should plug their calbes in |
| 19:01.01 | Twingy_ | watch out |
| 19:01.04 | Twingy_ | tammy is on her way upstairs |
| 19:01.12 | Twingy_ | gillich is following her |
| 19:01.27 | ``Erik | mebbe I shoudln't have played in the cable room with a pair of dikes |
| 19:02.06 | PrezKennedy | that just dont sound right |
| 19:02.58 | Twingy_ | ``Erik likes his ho's yo |
| 19:03.09 | ``Erik | foshizzy |
| 19:03.14 | Twingy_ | manizzle |
| 19:03.42 | ``Erik | (define (deps port) (sys-chdir port) (string-split (process-output->string "make -V LIB_DEPENDS -V BUILD_DEPENDS -V RUN_DEPENDS") " ")) |
| 19:03.45 | ``Erik | awesome |
| 19:04.09 | Twingy_ | schemizzle lispskizzle |
| 19:04.58 | ``Erik | ghah, mike is polluting prasad with more c++ crap |
| 19:05.32 | Twingy_ | yes :( |
| 19:05.41 | ``Erik | right nw, in the hallway whiteboard |
| 19:05.52 | PrezKennedy | c++ is the shizzle |
| 19:06.33 | PrezKennedy | so when can we expect to see brl-cad ported entirely to java? |
| 19:06.35 | PrezKennedy | X-D |
| 19:06.35 | Twingy_ | can't priv msg :( |
| 19:06.49 | ``Erik | um, register yourself with nicksuck |
| 19:06.52 | Twingy_ | I did |
| 19:06.57 | Twingy_ | but Twingy is logged in at home |
| 19:07.01 | Twingy_ | and I don't feel like killing it |
| 19:07.04 | ``Erik | set up a secondary hostname |
| 19:07.10 | Twingy_ | I'm lazy |
| 19:07.20 | Twingy_ | I think you should call mike |
| 19:07.24 | Twingy_ | he won't leave our office |
| 19:07.26 | Twingy_ | call his phone |
| 19:07.30 | Maloeran | Ahah |
| 19:07.32 | ``Erik | what #? |
| 19:07.52 | ``Erik | I'll search the directory |
| 19:08.05 | Twingy_ | 7820 |
| 19:08.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:08.14 | PrezKennedy | thats a creative way to get rid of someone |
| 19:08.38 | Twingy_ | hurry |
| 19:08.52 | brlcad | woo |
| 19:09.04 | Twingy_ | woo |
| 19:09.12 | ``Erik | damn, I think he was quicker than I anticipated |
| 19:09.25 | Twingy_ | he's like kramer |
| 19:09.46 | ``Erik | damn, these things have caller id |
| 19:09.50 | Twingy_ | yes |
| 19:09.55 | Twingy_ | uh og |
| 19:09.57 | ``Erik | he may try calling or visiting |
| 19:09.59 | Twingy_ | I think he's on his way upstairs |
| 19:10.03 | Twingy_ | lock the door! |
| 19:10.07 | Twingy_ | oh wait, bathroom |
| 19:10.11 | Twingy_ | I hear the squeaky door |
| 19:10.12 | ``Erik | oh, wait |
| 19:10.13 | ``Erik | hah |
| 19:10.16 | ``Erik | I used rons number |
| 19:10.17 | ``Erik | SWEET |
| 19:10.20 | Twingy_ | nice |
| 19:10.32 | ``Erik | next time, I'll call mike from his own number |
| 19:10.32 | ``Erik | mwahaha |
| 19:10.35 | Twingy_ | awesome |
| 19:11.03 | Twingy_ | so when I say DEY TUK R JBS! you need to call mike |
| 19:11.26 | Twingy_ | DEY TUK R JBS! |
| 19:11.31 | Twingy_ | DEY TUK R JBS! |
| 19:11.37 | Twingy_ | DEY TUK R JBS! |
| 19:11.45 | Twingy_ | DEY TUK R JBS! |
| 19:11.59 | PrezKennedy | its antics like this that make me wish i worked there |
| 19:12.05 | Twingy_ | hurry! |
| 19:12.10 | Twingy_ | ok |
| 19:12.11 | Twingy_ | he's gone |
| 19:12.34 | Maloeran | It sure sounds like a very productive environment :) |
| 19:12.43 | Twingy_ | not with mike around :( |
| 19:21.59 | Maloeran | Did you run some benchmarks on Pathscale, Twingy? I never really fixed that "key" problem, it couldn't be much worse than GCC |
| 19:22.27 | ``Erik | (tried tendra?) |
| 19:23.35 | ``Erik | http://www.ten15.org/ |
| 19:23.45 | ``Erik | (ports/lang/TenDRA on fbsd) |
| 19:27.51 | Maloeran | Doesn't seem to support amd64, nor do any better than gcc in public benchmarks... |
| 19:28.18 | ``Erik | hm, some fbsd pundits wanted to change the base compiler from gcc to tendra citing a few percent performance gain *shrug* |
| 19:29.27 | Maloeran | Ah, what wouldn't fbsd fanatics say just to move away from GPL'ed code :) |
| 19:30.04 | ``Erik | heh, plenty of gpl stuff being added, dude |
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