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00:31.43`Erikexport it to what?
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00:36.44AchiestDragonwell for example , if i draw a sphear , and render it it shows as a sphear , in most packages (brlcad,3ds,blender for example ) but when i export it to another i end up with a sphear built of triangles
00:38.58AchiestDragonsame with meshes , if i draw a mesh with a nice sweeping curve , once i export it i endup with a mesh with a curve built of flat triangles
00:39.39AchiestDragonthay never render the same , not shure how best this problem could be overcome
00:42.56AchiestDragonexamples
00:44.34AchiestDragonhttp://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/snapshot5.png this is the original mesh  ( blender )
00:45.10AchiestDragonhttp://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/snapshot4.png  this is what it looks like after beeing converted in this case to brlcad
00:45.52AchiestDragonnow the same happens the other way also , just windering if it would be posible to restore the curve once imported
00:49.11AchiestDragonthink its a case of drawing splines or besiers rather than lines when redrawing the mesh
00:49.50AchiestDragonand the same path for surfaces when rendering
00:51.09AchiestDragonlike it would do if it generated the object its self ? if thats the way it does it
00:54.32AchiestDragonthought thay may of been a way to turn this back on in the object properties
00:54.35`Erikif you export to a format that has no sphere primitive, it has to be tesselated to triangles, and I don't believe any of the brlcad export formats get 'fake' normals attached, a la opengl
00:54.56`Erikso the only way to get a smooth looking sphere in one of those is to tessellate so far that no triangle is more than 1 pixel
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01:31.53AchiestDragonwas pondeering if theres a way to smooth out the surfave in software once a bot has been loaded basicaly transform the bot (bunch of triangles) into a bob  bunch of besiers, but the maths is beyond me
01:38.06AchiestDragonshold be splines ,as besier curves dont actualy pas though all points on the path but close to  them
01:38.40AchiestDragonwill sleep on it , night
02:15.31pra5adTwingy,
02:15.43pra5adwhats your tsp page url?
02:23.20pra5adwhoa any of u looked into L funds?
02:29.12reisioL funds?
02:51.55PKMOBILEwhoa... i see myself
02:52.23reisioPKMOBILE: nice
02:52.53reisiooh, two cilents? :p
02:53.03pra5adthat's what the pk stands for
02:53.08PrezKennedyno im far more wasteful... two computers!
02:54.25reisioah, makes sense
02:55.23PrezKennedythe power of the remote desktop on windozer
02:55.33reisio:p
02:56.46pra5adwhich one of chuck's sons are u? the one who was porting warzone 2100?
03:00.26Twingywhat
03:00.55Twingywho summons me out of my cave
03:01.07pra5adprometheus
03:01.42pra5adtsp url
03:01.49pra5adpwwweease
03:02.40Twingyit's broke
03:02.49Twingythey changed their friggen page
03:02.55TwingyI'll have to update
03:03.10Twingymaybe I'll do that tonight
03:03.16Twingyyou're the 2nd person that's been bugging me about that
03:04.07pra5ad<shaft>L funds, m****r f****r, DO YOU KNOW IT?</shaft>
03:04.15pra5adi like the idea
03:05.23Twingythe L funds are for people that don't understand the stock market
03:06.19pra5adin 2 years??
03:06.36Twingysince jan '03
03:06.38pra5adwtf have u been doing? i funds?
03:06.53Twingy401k for 18 months, then rolled 401k into tsp
03:07.12Twingynow it's 50/50 S and I
03:07.20Twingyit's climbing fast
03:07.44Twingymy calculations tell me 2.5 million by 2037
03:08.03pra5adi have g:20, c:25, s:25, i:30
03:08.11Twingythen I will form the Twingariun Empire, LLC
03:08.16Twingyget rid of g
03:08.25Twingyyou're just throwing money away
03:08.34pra5adbut then i see the L fund progression
03:08.38pra5adyup looks like
03:08.39pra5adit
03:08.58pra5adi should move to g fund after about 10 yrs
03:08.59Twingybetter long term investment
03:09.06Twingyno
03:09.08Twingyafter about 30
03:09.11pra5adthen bump it up each year
03:09.14Twingyright before you retire
03:09.17pra5adrofl
03:09.21Twingywatch
03:09.25pra5adright after the 3rd crash?
03:09.34TwingyI'll have 2.5 million, and you'll have a 1.2 million, and we'll see who was right
03:09.45Twingymeh, it's only 1.3 million right?
03:09.50Twingy:)
03:09.53pra5adbastard
03:10.00pra5adu are corrupting me
03:10.04Twingygood
03:10.19pra5adi didnt go s and i because of the 100% risk
03:11.04Twingyyour money won't gain anything in g
03:11.13Twingy$10 now will be worth $10 then
03:11.40Twingylook at the history of the S&P 500
03:12.36pra5adi know about g
03:12.53pra5adgonna spread it to c,s,i
03:13.40Twingyfind me a 30 year period where it's lower return than G fixed
03:14.14pra5addude
03:14.16pra5adi get it about g
03:14.23pra5adtell me why it shouldnt goto c
03:16.22Twingyc is ok
03:16.38TwingyI had CSI for a while
03:16.55Twingybut SI are outperforming C
03:16.59pra5adi should go 70% I for the next 5 years
03:17.17pra5aduntil india's IT economy busts
03:17.23TwingyI is just europe
03:17.39pra5adno
03:17.49pra5adsays australasia, europe and far east
03:17.55Twingyso europe
03:17.58Twingy:)
03:18.08pra5adeurope isnt going anywhere
03:18.21pra5adits the other two that's prolly pushing the index
03:18.31Twingysure they are, plate techtonics indicate they'll move 153cm in the next 5 years
03:18.58Twingyno tsp for you!
03:19.22pra5adwelp, 15c, 35s, 60i
03:19.36Twingy50/50 S,I *grunt*
03:19.36pra5adim gonna retired with 50k while u retire with 0
03:19.49Twingyyou're so gonna lose :)
03:20.45Twingyespecially since social security will be non-existant by the time we retire
03:21.04Twingyso many people are gonna be fucked by that
03:30.58Twingyok
03:31.00Twingygimme an hour
03:31.07Twingyand I should have it working again
03:38.36Twingystupid fucking...
03:40.20pra5adtemper temper mon capitan
03:49.42Twingyah, that was clever
03:49.49TwingyI'll have this done quicker than estimated
03:50.53`Eriko.O
03:54.32*** join/#brlcad DTRemenak (n=DTRemena@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu)
03:59.40pra5adargh i hate java
03:59.50pra5adwhy the hell cant i get a copy of a bufferedimage
04:00.02pra5adi just want a stupid copy
04:02.13Twingyhah
04:02.30Twingyhere pra5ad
04:02.31Twingyhttp://js.cx/tsp/output.png
04:02.36Twingythere's your tsp graph
04:03.16`Eriksomething seems... wrong...
04:03.30Twingyyes
04:03.36TwingyI forgot they added those fucktarded L funds
04:03.48pra5adsoo what u are saying is
04:03.53pra5adi should cash out on even days?
04:03.57Twingyyes
04:04.04Twingyand on primes
04:04.12pra5adshazbot
04:04.15Twingyrefresh
04:04.17`ErikI think you're only allowed to do that once before retirement
04:04.19Twingythat one is cooler
04:04.41Twingyokay, enough playing, I'll fix now
04:05.12pra5adwow so my g fund CAN beat ur s-i
04:05.25Twingyyeeees
04:05.30Twingyso you should move all your money to g fund
04:05.44pra5adlemme go do that right now
04:05.53Twingy<font 1>Twingy claims no responsibility for those actions</font>
04:06.11PrezKennedypra5ad, im the older one who runs an open source gaming website
04:06.38`Erikgaming is for queers
04:06.44pra5adah
04:06.52pra5adhow goes the wz2100 port?
04:07.00pra5adthat was a cool game
04:07.09PrezKennedyhaha i dont program... but there is a linux port
04:07.21`Eriknot coding is gay
04:07.23pra5adi 'got' it from the neighborhood 'store'
04:07.35pra5adcpl of yrs back
04:07.36PrezKennedycoding is the gayerest!
04:07.48pra5adloved the fact that u could customize units
04:07.55PrezKennedyyeah its a fun game
04:07.58`Erikgay like a FOX!
04:07.58pra5adu could win that game just by building walls
04:08.01pra5adin layers
04:08.03PrezKennedyweve been playing a lot of it lately
04:08.04pra5adright into the enemy
04:08.23PrezKennedynot as bad as the original C&C though
04:08.30pra5adwhoa whoa
04:08.36pra5addo NOT diss original c&c
04:08.44Twingyk
04:08.44PrezKennedyim not saying its bad
04:08.48Twingynow to tie date ranges back in
04:08.48`Erikc&c sucks sc's fat dong
04:08.56Twingybut d&d rocks
04:08.58PrezKennedyim saying that sandbags could hold back the AI
04:08.59pra5adsc is for koreans
04:09.07pra5ad`Erik is korean
04:09.12`Erikkekeke
04:09.25pra5adah yes sandbags
04:09.28Twingy<>_<>
04:09.38pra5adai tanks didnt realize they could run over em
04:09.48pra5adok so there was 1 problem with it
04:09.49pra5ad:)
04:09.55PrezKennedythey couldnt in the first one :-P
04:10.18pra5adgenerals is phat
04:10.25PrezKennedyyeah we play that too
04:10.28pra5ad3d added a lot of depth
04:10.48pra5adcept when the chinese scud-variant rains on u from across the map
04:10.53PrezKennedyyeah... it like added a whole new dimension to the game
04:10.55`Erikwas that a pun?
04:11.12pra5adof course
04:11.57pra5adthe red alert 2 iso views weren't all that great imo
04:12.19pra5adoh btw PrezKennedy , do u have openttd on ur site?
04:13.04PrezKennedytheyre on sourceforge so i dont worry about adding that to the collection
04:13.08PrezKennedyi do have a link to them though
04:13.17`ErikPrezKennedy: is it your broodwars cd I have in my dual boot box?
04:13.39PrezKennedyi dunno... i never missed it
04:14.03pra5adzing
04:14.07PrezKennedyive got the homeworld and warzone source though
04:14.13PrezKennedyhttp://osgaming.net/Downloads/Source/Strategy/
04:14.14pra5adZERG RUSH
04:14.17`Erikheh, kermit loaned me one *shrug*
04:14.25pra5adwhoa homeworld src was out?
04:14.25pra5adwhen
04:14.34pra5adi know freespace 2 came out cpl of years ago
04:14.36PrezKennedywe have so many it doesnt matter if we lost them all...
04:14.40`Erikuhm, like over a year ago?
04:14.41pra5adwish tribes 1 was released
04:14.55pra5adi uh.. have the half life 2 'src'
04:14.56`Erik'torque' gets you tribes related source fairly cheap
04:15.03pra5adNEIN
04:15.03PrezKennedyi have the allegiance source too
04:15.15pra5adnever mutter those words again in the context of tribes
04:15.19pra5adthat's what killed the game
04:15.28PrezKennedypfff tribes 2 was way better
04:15.31`Erikheh, torque?
04:15.40PrezKennedyonce they got to vengeance thats when it died
04:15.49pra5adit died with torque
04:15.52pra5adand that's final
04:15.54pra5ad!!
04:15.55TheLastSpartanpra5ad: Huh?
04:16.06pra5adyes?
04:16.09PrezKennedyi always enjoyed t2 much more
04:16.20PrezKennedyim decent in tribes though
04:16.23pra5adur dad should be ashamed of u
04:16.24`Erikhow did it die with torque?
04:16.41pra5adgame became sluggish with that engine
04:16.46`Eriko.O
04:17.02`ErikI thought "that engine" was what was used all along, it just was breeded like ut's
04:17.06pra5adhell no
04:17.13pra5adthe t1 engine was frikken great
04:17.18PrezKennedysluggish if your PC is old
04:17.23pra5adthe only things used from it was the net code
04:17.29pra5adwait, i could be wrong
04:17.38PrezKennedythe netcode for both tribes's was impeccable
04:17.39pra5adbut there's no correlation between the two engines
04:17.45PrezKennedyif only battlefield 2's was as good
04:17.50pra5adt2 netcode had issues
04:18.13pra5ador maybe it was the servers
04:18.13PrezKennedyby the final patch it was all ironed out
04:18.20PrezKennedyusually it was the server
04:18.22PrezKennedybeing overloaded
04:18.23pra5adyes, one patch too late
04:18.35pra5admark frohenmeyer wrote the netcode
04:18.39pra5adguy is a great coder
04:20.54pra5ad!asdf
04:20.56TheLastSpartanpra5ad: Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiouh doh sai-jin wuh duh pee-go
04:21.14pra5ad!kungpow
04:21.15TheLastSpartanpra5ad: Wuo de ma!
04:21.23pra5ad@_@
04:21.50pra5ad!sprt(PI)
04:21.50TheLastSpartanpra5ad: I'm sorry, I was listening to Fatboy Slim.
04:21.53pra5ad!sqrt(PI)
04:21.55TheLastSpartanpra5ad: WTF mate?
04:22.26pra5ad!sqrt(22/7)
04:22.27TheLastSpartanpra5ad: Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiouh doh sai-jin wuh duh pee-go
04:22.31pra5ad:(
04:23.52pra5adwhatchu doin there
04:23.53`Erikarizona? o.O
04:24.01Twingyhrm, just about done
04:24.08PrezKennedyhes migrating for winter
04:24.10PrezKennedy:-)
04:24.19pra5addid u take the train again?
04:24.24brlcadbeautiful sunny weather
04:24.29brlcadheh, no
04:24.40pra5advacation?
04:24.41`Erikheading to panama again?
04:24.53pra5adoh, he's using the secret trail
04:25.07brlcad`Erik: that'd be fun, but no this is business
04:25.33brlcadlee and I are acquiring a model
04:25.35`Erikwhizmer?
04:25.49brlcadbumblefuck, arizona
04:25.54`Erikheh
04:26.00`Erikwhizmer is nm?
04:26.13pra5adyes
04:26.15brlcadyeah
04:26.22brlcadwhite sands, new mex.
04:26.32pra5adwhere's sandia?
04:27.04pra5ad!where is sandian national lab?
04:27.22brlcadnew mexico
04:27.40pra5addo we win anything for guessing this place?
04:27.51brlcadthat's not where I'm at
04:28.07brlcadpra5ad: you win a twinkie
04:28.16PrezKennedyUnited States!!
04:28.17pra5adno a twingy?
04:28.17brlcadbut you have to share it with the mice
04:28.23pra5adnot*
04:31.33Twingyerik
04:31.36Twingycurl -# -d startdate="20030602" -d enddate="20030615" http://tsp.gov/rates/share-prices.html
04:31.41Twingysee anything wrong with that?
04:32.10Twingyor that
04:32.13Twingycurl -# -d startdate=20030601 -d enddate=20030631 http://tsp.gov/rates/share-prices.html
04:32.36`Erik<-- doesn't use curl o.O
04:34.33Twingygrumph
04:34.39Twingyit aint picking up the args
04:36.07PrezKennedydo you need ''''?
04:36.31Twingythe tsp people are onto me
04:36.50Twingyit's not a quotation issue
04:38.21PrezKennedytoo many -d?
04:39.43Twingynewp
04:40.02Twingytheir page is evil
04:41.34Twingyblasphemy
04:41.42TwingyI should call them up and bitch
04:42.12Twingyif their shit was open sauce I could fix0r
04:42.25pra5adrevenge of html 4
04:42.33Twingyhtml 71
04:42.47Twingy71 times more confusing than v1
04:43.05Twingy<form class="navigation" ACTION="/rates/share-prices.html" method="post">
04:43.05Twingy<table class="navigation" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4">
04:43.11Twingywhat the hell is class="navigation"
04:43.25`Erikshould you use -F instead?
04:46.42pra5adclass is for style sheets
04:47.24TwingyI dunno what -F gets me
04:47.37Twingythe first sentence sounds interesting
04:47.43Twingybut the examples don't grok
04:48.26`Eriksmells like a get/post schism
04:48.35`Erikto me
04:48.57`Erikphp has fu to get shit either way, iirc
04:49.37Twingy-G don't work :|
04:52.34*** part/#brlcad reisio (n=reisio@gentoo/user/reisio)
04:55.23Twingywelp
04:55.25Twingyno tsp
04:55.40TwingyI gots no ideas left
04:55.55Twingyworked on the old tsp page *shrug*
04:55.58Twingystill does
04:56.17Twingything is fubar'd with the new one
04:57.49MaloeranHave the POST variables for the form changed?
04:58.50TwingyStart Date:  
04:58.50Twingy<select size="1" name="startdate">
04:58.55TwingyEnd Date:
04:58.55Twingy<select size="1" name="enddate">
04:59.15Twingycurl -# -d startdate=20030601 -d enddate=20030631 http://tsp.gov/rates/share-prices.html
05:00.10MaloeranThe dates you picked aren't in the lists
05:00.16MaloeranMaybe that's the source of the problem
05:00.26Twingynope
05:00.31TwingyI tried dates in the list
05:00.50Twingyor thought I did *shrug*
05:00.53TwingyI'll try again
05:01.37Twingynewp
05:02.00MaloeranMystifying.
05:02.37Maloerantelnet time, if I can remember the http protocol enough
05:03.08Twingyheh
05:03.21TwingyI even tried faking the agent
05:05.07MaloeranHum... Their server stopped sending data half-way to my crafted request :)
05:05.15Twingyheh
05:05.29Twingydoesn't like those damn canadian connections
05:06.24pra5aderm
05:06.30pra5adwhats wrong with that curl command again?
05:06.36pra5adu weren't getting a response?
05:06.50Twingyit's not accepting startdate and enddate
05:06.51MaloeranYeah, Canada is full of hackers, terrorists and beavers
05:07.04pra5adsure it does
05:07.12pra5adi got a full html page back with rates
05:07.14Twingyyes
05:07.17Twingylook at the dates
05:07.25Twingyl
05:07.30pra5adah :)
05:11.43Twingymost confusing
05:11.58Twingymy browser does one thing
05:12.01Twingyand curl does another
05:12.03Twingywee
05:16.22pra5adwoot woot
05:16.23pra5adit works
05:16.30Twingyhrm?
05:16.39pra5adcurl -# -d startdate=20030601 -d enddate=20030631 -d submit=Retrieve\ Share\ Prices http://tsp.gov/rates/share-prices.html
05:16.54Twingyah
05:17.17Twingygj
05:17.53Twingywanna see it?
05:18.10pra5adyes
05:18.26Twingyk
05:18.54MaloeranAh of course, I forgot the submit name of the form... telnet attempts didn't work any better
05:19.10Twingyjs.cx/tsp
05:19.31TwingyI'll make it so more than 1 person can use it at once
05:19.46Twingyif multiple people try and view it, undefined results
05:19.54pra5adholy crap
05:19.57pra5adc is below f
05:19.58pra5adwtf
05:20.13Twingyno
05:20.16Twingythat's not right
05:20.24Twingylet me check labels
05:20.47pra5adu arent doing g either
05:20.57Twingy1 sec
05:22.39Twingyok, refresh
05:22.45Twingythat's right
05:23.07Twingylet me normalize
05:24.00pra5addamn
05:24.15Twingyok, refresh again
05:24.20Twingythat's much better
05:24.47Twingypay pal donations will be accepted
05:25.50pra5adu need to add some general stats
05:25.56Twingylike?
05:26.11pra5adtrends, rate deltas
05:26.42pra5adrisk analysis with neural nets
05:26.44pra5adu know
05:26.46pra5adeasy shit
05:27.13TwingyI think you get enough meaningful data from just looking at the graph
05:27.22Twingyadding deltas and other stats won't influence my decision
05:27.30Twingyas to what my distribution is
05:27.38Twingythat's the purpose of this graph
05:27.44Twingyto influence my decision
05:27.53Twingyand clearly my S&I decision holds
05:28.38pra5ad10c, 30s, 60i should catch up to 50s, 50i
05:28.53Twingymebe
05:29.13TwingyI don't see the utility in C
05:29.17pra5adthen again c seems to have flatlined
05:30.50TwingyI'll add flock()
05:31.12pra5adwhy not just recreate the image once per day?
05:31.19Twingythinking about it
05:31.36TwingyI s'poze that's more efficient
05:32.35pra5adhmm survey for brlcad devs
05:32.43Twingy?
05:32.52pra5adfrom some texas tech phd student
05:32.57pra5adon oss development
05:32.59pra5adcheck email
05:33.52Twingythat looks like work
05:34.00Twingyno free t-shirt!
05:34.18pra5adhtf does anyone get a phd for that
05:34.28Twingymakes you wonder how dixie got hers
05:34.31Twingy*duck*
05:34.44Twingylook at me, I have a phd!
05:34.49TwingyI am your superior!
05:34.51Twingymuhaha
05:35.02TwingyI should've not finished college in spite of what I think of education system
05:35.23Twingylast time I make that mistake
05:35.30Twingythen again
05:35.33TwingyI wouldn't own a house right now
05:35.36Twingyso it was a tradeoff
05:35.55pra5adyea, now u are broke again
05:35.55Twingywaste some brain cells, or get a garage to build rocket engines in
05:35.58pra5adbut broke w/ house
05:36.02Twingyactually
05:36.07Twingynov1 I'll have $10k in my account
05:36.19pra5adok, broke w/ house and milling machine
05:36.24Twingyno no
05:36.27Twingybuying a honda insight
05:36.34Twingy80mpg yo
05:36.34pra5adok, broke w/ house and honda insight
05:36.38Twingyyes
05:36.39Twingy:)
05:36.46Twingyuntil I get a raise in january
05:36.54pra5adso wait
05:36.56Twingythen, less broke
05:37.06pra5adaccomplishments dont get added until dec 31?
05:37.11TwingyI think so
05:37.17pra5adargh
05:37.17Twingythen locality is like jan 16
05:37.23Twingysuxors
05:37.23pra5adi want my M3 cheese
05:37.29Twingyheh
05:37.36Twingywhat if they take money from you? *duck*
05:37.54pra5adi have two great managers who wont
05:37.57Twingylesse "prasaaaa prasaaaa prsaaanagganna work here no more"
05:38.06Twingy:D
05:38.17pra5adhaha
05:38.26TwingyI'm gonna try and throw a life raft to erik tommorrow
05:38.30Twingywith pvt and voxel stuff
05:38.46TwingyI think it has a reasonable chance of success too
05:39.05pra5adwho's next on the pipe
05:39.13Twingyyou
05:39.31Twingytegtmeyer seems to be doin' his own groove
05:39.36pra5adaight
05:39.46pra5adbetter pass that ticket along asap =)
05:39.56Twingydunno what the next one is yet
05:40.01Twingybut I think if you finish that algorithm
05:40.06Twingythat might give me some leverage
05:43.05pra5adhmm
05:43.08pra5adwe'll see
05:46.03Twingyok
05:46.10Twingyit only updates when day changes
05:46.24Twingybut I have to factor in date ranges again
05:46.25Twingymeh
05:46.28TwingyI'll poke at it tommorrow
05:46.30Twingyit's bed time
06:25.00Twingynight
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13:36.56`Erik*yawn*
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15:18.16AchiestDragonok now having a look though the source , hmmm , lots of it ,, need a pointer or two i think
15:18.56AchiestDragonis the section that handles the drawing of BOTs a library function ???
15:21.30AchiestDragonand where can i find  .g file format info
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19:27.32AchiestDragondo i have to use c++ or tcl for code for brlcad , can i use python ?
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23:53.51pra5adargh
23:54.01pra5adj allard of m$/xbox fame looks like chip
23:54.24`Erikło.O

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