| 00:21.06 | pra5ad_ | hrmph |
| 00:21.29 | pra5ad_ | flashed new bios, and my 'ddr400' ram is reported as ddr333 |
| 00:22.00 | pra5ad_ | sorta makes sense since i could never run the ram at >150 |
| 00:22.23 | learner | looked up the memory's model number to verify which it's supposed to be? maybe sent you the wrong ones |
| 00:22.34 | pra5ad_ | package says ddr400 |
| 00:22.43 | pra5ad_ | can i sue someone? lol |
| 00:23.13 | pra5ad_ | hmm i dunno |
| 00:23.25 | pra5ad_ | cos i ran memtest86+ for 9 hrsa |
| 00:23.29 | pra5ad_ | 0 errors |
| 00:23.32 | pra5ad_ | at 200mhz |
| 00:23.32 | learner | heh |
| 00:23.42 | learner | so crank it up |
| 00:23.59 | pra5ad_ | crank what up? 200 is ddr400 |
| 00:24.26 | learner | ah true dat |
| 00:25.05 | pra5ad_ | let's see if it's stable with the bios settings |
| 00:25.09 | pra5ad_ | 157mhz |
| 00:25.23 | pra5ad_ | default settings dont have auto cas #s |
| 00:26.17 | pra5ad_ | im a little concerned that the vid card and onboard lan share the same irq |
| 00:26.23 | pra5ad_ | ? what outsourcing |
| 00:26.28 | pra5ad_ | and to where |
| 00:26.52 | learner | some other group's announcement that they need someone for a while |
| 00:26.56 | learner | don't remember details |
| 00:27.01 | learner | check your mail ;) |
| 00:27.07 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 00:27.16 | pra5ad_ | is this the adelphi job? |
| 00:27.25 | learner | *shrug* |
| 00:28.22 | pra5ad_ | so i finally plugged in 2 of the 4 power connectors on the mobo ... |
| 00:28.23 | ``Erik | why aren't you at work? o.O |
| 00:28.31 | pra5ad_ | wonder if that fixed it |
| 00:28.45 | learner | heh, i had alcohol cravings to cater to |
| 00:28.45 | ``Erik | does your mb support 200mhz memory? |
| 00:28.49 | ``Erik | oh, uh |
| 00:28.51 | pra5ad_ | yes |
| 00:28.54 | ``Erik | <-- tucks the bottle back in hsi desk |
| 00:29.16 | learner | and some of that new shot stuff to test out |
| 00:29.23 | ``Erik | I finished my babba vakka last night, but I'll wait a couple weeks to get another |
| 00:29.25 | ``Erik | 'shot stuff'? |
| 00:29.29 | learner | tuaca or somesuch |
| 00:29.37 | ``Erik | are you pussifying your vodka? |
| 00:29.42 | learner | wa wa wait a couple weeks?? |
| 00:29.47 | ``Erik | well, yeah |
| 00:29.51 | ``Erik | I have a full bottle of tequila |
| 00:29.54 | ``Erik | a full bottle of whiskey |
| 00:29.56 | ``Erik | a full bottle of gin |
| 00:29.57 | ``Erik | ... |
| 00:30.03 | pra5ad_ | damn u drunks |
| 00:30.04 | ``Erik | a shelf full of beer |
| 00:30.18 | learner | ahh, so you're getting low |
| 00:30.31 | ``Erik | you have two choices if you stay on this project, prasad... either drink heavily, or all your hair will fall out. |
| 00:30.39 | ``Erik | who's cooler, man, me or ron? ;) *Duck* |
| 00:30.48 | learner | rum! |
| 00:30.57 | pra5ad_ | hah! |
| 00:30.58 | ``Erik | OOH, I still got half a bottle of 151 |
| 00:31.12 | ``Erik | the problem is that I need a chaser |
| 00:31.16 | ``Erik | and I was using vodka, but I'm out |
| 00:31.18 | ``Erik | *pout* |
| 00:31.28 | pra5ad_ | how bout c) stop caring, get masters and bail |
| 00:31.30 | pra5ad_ | =) |
| 00:32.17 | learner | what does drinking have to do with c)? |
| 00:32.28 | ``Erik | my c gets better with drinking |
| 00:32.30 | learner | ``Erik: heh |
| 00:33.06 | pra5ad_ | staying on this project has something to do with c) |
| 00:33.07 | learner | how far away is cmu from here? i haven't looked it up |
| 00:33.07 | pra5ad_ | i think |
| 00:33.09 | pra5ad_ | .. |
| 00:33.25 | ``Erik | um, pittsburg, I think? |
| 00:33.39 | learner | ah, so about the same distance really |
| 00:33.40 | ``Erik | too far to do without extended training |
| 00:33.59 | learner | heh, maybe on paper |
| 00:34.17 | learner | oh, wait, i'm confusing cities, never mind |
| 00:34.37 | ``Erik | heh, pennsylvania would be doable |
| 00:34.39 | ``Erik | er |
| 00:34.40 | ``Erik | philly |
| 00:34.41 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:34.52 | ``Erik | pittsburg is a wee bit up the road, tho |
| 00:34.57 | learner | yeah |
| 00:35.05 | learner | though if you got paid for the commute, who cares ;) |
| 00:35.18 | ``Erik | heh, but mah po' truck! |
| 00:36.36 | ``Erik | the ones I'm on just celebrated their 10th bday |
| 00:37.04 | pra5ad_ | learner needs a new gearbox |
| 00:38.05 | ``Erik | dude, 327, shaved heads, quarter cams, fat supercharger, run it on 94, big fat tranny with a short ratio diff and a clutch with massive pads |
| 00:38.21 | pra5ad_ | big fat tranny eh |
| 00:38.22 | ``Erik | oh, mill down the flywheel so you don't torch the clutch to get the acceleration |
| 00:38.37 | pra5ad_ | what street in baltimore have u been frequenting |
| 00:38.44 | ``Erik | axle weights, slicks, big honkin' sway bars |
| 00:40.19 | ``Erik | drop a transfer case to get the front wheels spinnin' too |
| 00:41.07 | learner | heh, it would either explode or implode I'm sure |
| 00:41.22 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:41.32 | learner | some quantum mechanics at work that prevent a souped up prizm :) |
| 00:41.53 | ``Erik | nah, plain old newtonian physics can explain |
| 00:42.24 | ``Erik | start it and when it catches and revs up to speed, the block will launch out of the engine well, taking the hood with it and roll off into the distance |
| 00:42.47 | ``Erik | "you know what'd be awesome?" |
| 00:42.55 | learner | heh |
| 00:43.14 | learner | and next year I win a darwin award |
| 00:43.22 | ``Erik | <-- ponders putting "grom" on one of our fbsd boxen |
| 00:43.48 | learner | i'm really interested in testing out some software on openbsd's new malloc scheme |
| 00:44.04 | ``Erik | hm, with the buffer gaurding? |
| 00:44.08 | learner | yeah |
| 00:44.12 | pra5ad_ | buffer guarding? |
| 00:44.22 | learner | do an nmg comversion and take bets on it segfaulting ;) |
| 00:44.30 | ``Erik | a no-write page between heap and stack |
| 00:44.38 | pra5ad_ | ohh |
| 00:44.40 | ``Erik | so buffer overflows that hit that point throw an interrupt |
| 00:44.41 | pra5ad_ | interesting |
| 00:44.58 | ``Erik | do they use 11? or another signal? |
| 00:45.24 | ``Erik | mebbe reuse one of those 2460's |
| 00:45.28 | learner | pra5ad_ single byte accesses to unallocated memory zones are pretty much guaranteed to cause a segfault for allocations > pagesize, and somewhat possible for < pagesize |
| 00:46.07 | learner | it's a segfault -- the memory is owned by the kernel |
| 00:46.33 | ``Erik | hrm, may've been more useful to cerate a new interrupt for those pages *shrug* but perhaps prohibitively expensive... |
| 00:46.51 | ``Erik | actually, no, it shouldn't be expensive, if a segfault happens, look in a map to see if it's a gaurd page or not |
| 00:46.54 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 00:46.55 | learner | pra5ad_, basically the traditional memory overwrites that "might" cause bad things to happen are guaranteed to halt the program now under their new system |
| 00:47.17 | ``Erik | electric fence and dmalloc are supposed to provide similar behaviors |
| 00:47.30 | learner | right, just that this is considerably higher performance |
| 00:47.36 | ``Erik | the big deal with obsd is that it's "on by default", I thought |
| 00:47.49 | learner | implying they did some magic in the kernel memory page management that make the padded zones more efficient |
| 00:47.59 | pra5ad_ | how do they enforce this? |
| 00:48.08 | pra5ad_ | check allocation header for every page? |
| 00:48.14 | pra5ad_ | on each mem access? |
| 00:48.15 | ``Erik | uh, by placing a page in the virtual memory? |
| 00:48.33 | ``Erik | and let the mmu catch the fault |
| 00:48.46 | learner | pra5ad_, by rewriting malloc and kernel memory management -- the memory is now owned by the kernel instead of your app potentially -- so you _can't_ write past a buffer without causing a segfault |
| 00:49.21 | ``Erik | (is it actually a kernel owned page? not a "bad entry" in the mmu or something? I'd be surprised if they burnt a page to get a segfault, seems nonoptimal to me) |
| 00:49.30 | pra5ad_ | can u potentially write above SP-page_size ? |
| 00:49.33 | learner | whereas before it only happens if you happen to write past enough bytes that spans into another apps memory space or the kernels .. now a single byte will be another zone |
| 00:50.04 | learner | it's not a full page, but it is owned by kernel |
| 00:50.05 | ``Erik | tlb hax0ring, heh |
| 00:50.17 | pra5ad_ | hm |
| 00:50.26 | learner | from what I gathered, that was part of the trick making it efficient -- getting those small kernel-owned paddings |
| 00:50.45 | learner | very cool shizzle |
| 00:51.02 | ``Erik | make ww give me time and a machine to set up an obsd box for us :D |
| 00:51.04 | learner | i can't imagine the system being "functional" for some time though .. with all the apps crashing |
| 00:51.12 | ``Erik | and a slowaris-x86 10 box, too |
| 00:51.33 | learner | sounds like a gem for debugging ease |
| 00:51.35 | ``Erik | if the core os functions, it's a usable machine... bsd ain't like leenewx |
| 00:51.47 | ``Erik | for buffers overflowing into the stack, sure |
| 00:52.05 | learner | well yeah, if emacs, sh, gcc, and the kernel work, I'm set |
| 00:52.10 | learner | but I mean general user ;) |
| 00:52.19 | ``Erik | heh, emacs is not part of the base system. Use vi. |
| 00:53.05 | pra5ad_ | all hail visual studio |
| 00:53.45 | learner | taking the leap off of pico back in the day was the big hurdle |
| 00:53.52 | ``Erik | nothin' like unifying *nix holywarriors by mentioning ms |
| 00:53.52 | learner | but that's like a baby taking his first steps |
| 00:54.05 | ``Erik | my leap off of pico was easy, I used 'joe' |
| 00:54.10 | learner | heh |
| 00:54.10 | ``Erik | then used emacs for a short bit |
| 00:54.11 | ``Erik | then vi |
| 00:54.14 | pra5ad_ | i like vi visual mode :P |
| 00:54.15 | ``Erik | I upgraded |
| 00:54.20 | ``Erik | that's vim, prasad |
| 00:54.23 | ``Erik | not vi |
| 00:54.25 | pra5ad_ | that's what i meant |
| 00:54.31 | ``Erik | vim is not part of the base system. Use vi. |
| 00:54.32 | ``Erik | :D |
| 00:54.35 | learner | never learned "the true power of the dark console" |
| 00:54.54 | pra5ad_ | i am part of the 'say no to vi' army |
| 00:55.15 | ``Erik | s/d/ds machine/ |
| 00:55.38 | learner | heh |
| 00:55.41 | learner | that's just mean |
| 00:55.50 | pra5ad_ | i feel so violated |
| 00:55.59 | learner | but pra5ad_ probably deserves it |
| 00:56.14 | learner | yeah, me to .. "q" |
| 00:56.21 | ``Erik | heh |
| 00:56.35 | ``Erik | repair work on a system that ate and crapped out all its termcap information |
| 00:56.47 | pra5ad_ | so is ``Erik going to port freebsd to cell? |
| 00:57.05 | ``Erik | why bother? no one uses cell procs, so netbsd has been ported to it |
| 00:57.19 | ``Erik | sum yung gai? |
| 00:57.27 | pra5ad_ | and i thought u wanted to get off m3 |
| 00:57.30 | learner | yup |
| 00:57.43 | learner | and some of that new fangled vodka |
| 00:57.53 | ``Erik | mmmm, babba vakka |
| 00:58.28 | ``Erik | as in, 'not jim beam'? |
| 00:58.37 | pra5ad_ | heh new jprofiler runs show what seems to be deadlocks on large analysis runs |
| 00:58.40 | ``Erik | which one did you go to? the one by mogrorian? |
| 00:58.42 | learner | niet! |
| 00:58.47 | learner | yeah |
| 00:58.48 | pra5ad_ | wonder who's going to fix those |
| 00:58.56 | ``Erik | that's a hillbilly booze store |
| 00:59.07 | learner | hole-in-the-wall mostly just stocked with the basics try not to get shot place |
| 00:59.16 | ``Erik | they consider regular jack to be top shelf |
| 00:59.37 | ``Erik | "makers whu?" heh |
| 00:59.54 | learner | my options are sorta limited without driving into bel air or towards the city |
| 01:00.12 | ``Erik | heh, yeah |
| 01:00.16 | learner | nothing on the way at least |
| 01:00.26 | ``Erik | the barn thing down the road looks worse than the one in that strip mall |
| 01:00.30 | learner | there is that place between abby and havre |
| 01:00.41 | ``Erik | if you make it down to belcamp, anchor isn't too bad |
| 01:01.04 | learner | ok, now I'm parched, cheers! |
| 01:01.07 | ``Erik | I've gotten spoiled with my forest hill snob stores |
| 01:01.10 | ``Erik | hasta, duder |
| 01:20.07 | pra5ad_ | cell rd kit in april 2006 |
| 01:20.23 | pra5ad_ | enough time to sell it to mgmt |
| 01:56.25 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 05:18.01 | pra5ad_ | ah nm |
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| 18:18.57 | ``Erik | meh |
| 18:20.13 | ``Erik | he says 35% moved into his new house, it's actually his now, but it sounds like a fairly rough transaction... I know I was helping him move stuff monday night and some shit fell through on him with that, so his schedule got collapsed into a smaller chunk of time |
| 18:20.26 | ``Erik | heh, he beat the shit out of a table and yelled all through lunch telling the story today |
| 18:20.40 | ``Erik | poor prasad was having trouble pouring sake ;) |
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| 19:26.12 | brlcad | mmm.. sake! |
| 19:32.00 | ``Erik | was good |
| 19:32.04 | ``Erik | you shoulda went with us |
| 19:58.03 | brlcad | i'll go their for dinner instead me thinks |
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