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01:24.00pra5adhave any of u used anjuta?
01:29.44brlcadcrazy talk
01:31.51pra5ad?
01:35.31AchiestDragonarrrggg gtk
01:36.20AchiestDragonno , but been learning kdevelop instead
01:37.43AchiestDragonor should i say started to but since there chaning to qt4 wating for the qt4 version of it to be stable ,, hmm so 12 month delay or so atm
02:16.53pra5ad``Erik, u there?
02:22.47pra5adfyi - http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal
02:23.03pra5adunderquoted defun
02:32.28pra5adbah.. autoreconf -I m4    doesn't pass the include dir to autoconf
02:34.58joevalleyfieldACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I m4
02:35.02joevalleyfieldin Makefile.am
02:35.31joevalleyfield?
02:35.46joevalleyfieldyou probaby knew that
02:36.20pra5adno i didn't
02:36.29joevalleyfieldi just came across it today
02:36.43pra5adhmm Makefile.am u say
02:36.46pra5adnot configure.ac ?
02:36.50joevalleyfieldyep
02:36.53joevalleyfieldnot configure.ac
02:37.01pra5adthat's counter intuitive..
02:37.18joevalleyfieldand as far as i can tell, AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR doesn't do squat
02:37.44pra5adah
02:37.59pra5ad``Erik, spelling error
02:38.02pra5adchecking for library containing glFrustum... no
02:38.02pra5adconfigure: error: Need OpenGL
02:44.31pra5adheh, 'forward compatibility' they say (re: AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR)
02:45.15pra5adjoevalleyfield, but don't u still need to call aclocal -I m4 ?
02:45.20pra5adexplicitly
02:46.06joevalleyfieldat first
02:46.20joevalleyfieldbut when it does the maintainer mode thing
02:46.24joevalleyfieldit doesn't screw it up
02:47.05pra5adah
02:47.18pra5adim reading here about setting up autogen.sh
02:51.39pra5ad``Erik, scratch that. not a spelling error
03:04.29pra5adseems AC_SEARCH_LIBS is broken..
03:04.36pra5adchecking for library containing glFrustum... no
03:04.36pra5adconfigure: error: Need OpenGL
03:21.21CIA-9BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/autogen.sh:
03:21.21CIA-9BRL-CAD: bogus autom4te.cache protection. handle corrupted/invalid cache dirs that will
03:21.21CIA-9BRL-CAD: cause aclocal to fail. handle out-of-date cache dirs that autoconf 'should'
03:21.22CIA-9BRL-CAD: recognize but obviously doesn't for at least most current versions of autoconf
03:21.22CIA-9BRL-CAD: as well resulting in an unnecessary failure. cache files shouldn't halt tools,
03:21.22CIA-9BRL-CAD: stupid lame gnu build system tools.
03:22.39pra5adman wtf.. it can find gluPerspective in GLU but not glFrustum in GL
03:23.13joevalleyfieldi guess it doesn't put its failed programs in config.log for that
03:27.46pra5adtim saves the day once again
03:27.49pra5adconfigure:4984: gcc -o conftest -g -O2  -I./src   conftest.c -lGL   -lSM -lICE  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lXt -lXi     >&5
03:27.49pra5ad/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu
03:27.55pra5adwhile testing -lGL
03:28.15pra5ad``Erik, i have xorg
03:30.36brlcadpra5ad: brl-cad's autogen.sh should be a drop-in and run -- accommodates more stupidities of the gnu build system than I care to enumerate
03:30.58brlcadultimately runs autoreconf with the right flags if it'll work, otherwise it'll run the steps manually for you too
03:31.15pra5adwell this is an issue with ``Erik's script
03:31.18pra5adno?
03:32.08brlcadyes it is, i'm just saying from earlier comment about setting up an autogen.sh script
03:32.13pra5adah
03:32.22pra5adwell, here's my autogen.sh
03:32.36pra5ad#!/bin/sh
03:32.36pra5adautoreconf --force --install -I config -I m4
03:32.40pra5ad:P
03:33.04brlcadyeah, well that will fail in plenty of situations when it shouldn't
03:33.48pra5adtrue, but i only care for ubuntu 5.10 and cygwin (for now)
03:34.17brlcad*shrug*, your time down the road, not mine ;)
03:35.15pra5adheh
03:35.25pra5adhow much work would it be to update one script
03:38.01brlcadthere's probably a solid two or three weeks worth of time in the current script between hunting down why autoreconf or the other various tools fail under certain situations, debugging some GBS stupidity/bug
03:38.15brlcadstarting out about where you are now in the beginning
03:38.43brlcaddepends just how accommodating you want to ultimately be -- if it's just for you it probably doesn't matter as much
03:40.16brlcadhaving any autogen.sh script at all is rather against the gnu folk's retarded "methodology"
03:41.46brlcadthey say basically that you should force all devs onto a specific revision of the gbs tools for all your platforms, with no support for different versions, no accountability for their own bugs and various issues you can run into
03:43.07brlcadone of the worst aspects of gnu, imo -- those guys and their ideas can be incredibly counterproductive and impractical
03:43.46pra5adi expect nothing less from anything connected to 'methodology'
03:43.48brlcadone of the biggest reasons that make me wish there was a practical popular alternate
03:45.10``Eriko.O
03:45.13brlcadbut alas there is not
03:45.34``Erikwher'es my 7.6.4 ?
03:46.26brlcad``Erik: there's a meeting to uhm discuss it wednesday morning
03:46.38``Erik....
03:46.46``Eriknov01, bitch
03:47.05brlcadpreaching to the preacher
03:47.16``ErikI'm of the user community, right? tell mgmt that the user community is complaining about the delayed release.
03:47.23``Erikcontributing user community.
03:47.27``Erikdamnit.
03:47.41brlcadi'll be bringing up something to that effect
03:47.47``Erikheh
03:48.11``Erik:(
03:48.23pra5adbrlcad, what module do i checkout from the rep
03:48.24pra5ado
03:48.33brlcadpra5ad: for what?
03:48.38pra5adbrlcad
03:48.46brlcadheh
03:48.48brlcad"brlcad"
03:48.54brlcadyou didn't even try did you
03:49.05pra5adu know i didnt
03:49.06pra5ad=)
03:49.17brlcadheh
03:49.54``Erikdamn student (crazy daisy, w00)
03:50.02pra5ad``Erik, soo
03:50.07pra5adwhats with the X libs
03:50.14``Erikthey're libs
03:50.15``Erikfor X
03:50.17pra5admy system doesnt have Xmu defined
03:50.26``Erikreally?
03:50.30``Erikthat's... interstying
03:50.33``Erikinteresting
03:50.35pra5adhave the library*
03:51.06pra5ad(as in has no libXmu.so/a symlinks by default)
03:51.26pra5adbut why are the x libs required for the gl test
04:07.40pra5adsean
04:08.01pra5adthe .cvsignore files in the src subdirs dont include Makefile.in
04:08.44pra5adthe top level .cvsignore adds it. does it propogate down to the subdirs?
04:09.07pra5adiirc the man page said it wouldn't
04:57.25pra5adhaha once of my classmates from umd just got into redmond (win ce team)
04:58.12brlcadthey are not recursive, no
04:58.25brlcadif you want global, you can add it to the CVSROOT ignores file
04:59.06pra5adbad external dependancies
04:59.15pra5ad``Erik, u didnt answer my question
04:59.45``Erikwhat question?
05:00.08pra5adpra5ad but why are the x libs required for the gl test
05:00.20pra5adi can build w/o em
05:00.55``Erikhistorically, gl libs quired X libs available on leenewx and fbsd
05:01.33``Erikbear in mind the age of the m4's... i cracnked the fuckers up during the 'glide' days, yo
05:01.54pra5adwell besides the xlibs, the ac_defun function names need [] to kill some warning
05:02.01pra5adother than that
05:02.11pra5adi have it working on ubuntu 5.10 & cygwin
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05:22.55pra5adhttp://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?web_dept=Xbox+360&web_sub_dept=Hardware
05:23.12pra5adxbox 360 will be $600 (base), $700 (fully loaded)
05:23.15pra5adgood god
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05:28.15lachyghi....does does brlcad include the ballistics and radar simulation tools? because the website doesn't make it too clear
05:33.41brlcadlachyg: yes and no
05:34.18brlcadthere are various analysis codes that are non-geometric specific that utilize brl-cad
05:34.34brlcadbut that brl-cad does not ship ourselves
05:34.47lachygah ok, that's what i wanted to know
05:34.56brlcadthe base tools, however, are -- that is the tools for geometric interrogation and rendering
05:35.13lachygany Free (with a capital) ones out there?
05:35.15lachygokay
05:35.17brlcadincluding non-optical rendering, multispectral imaging
05:36.08lachygok
05:36.08brlcadthere are some free, but not necessarily readily available or available to just anyone
05:36.45lachygi'd meant GNU-style Free...but yeah, i'm outside the US, so i doubt i'd be able to get them too easily
05:37.52brlcadsome of them are in a gnu-style free, just not gnu ;)
05:38.31brlcadballistics and radar are very domain specific, you're not going to find much
05:39.13brlcadbrl-cad is probably the defacto base code for the ballistics analysis codes
05:40.02lachygokay....any names i should google for?  'cos i'm just learning it at the moment, looking for some of the "hey, this is cool" type stuff
05:41.39lachygyes, it's childish i admit :)
05:42.21brlcadnothing I could really suggest :)
05:42.52brlcadsearch long enough and you'll undoubtedly find some of them though
05:43.05brlcadat least references to them
05:43.44lachygbrlcad, ok, thanks a lot then
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13:04.53CIA-12BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/m4/compiler.m4: give the tests something to compile, a simple int should do.
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14:16.08CIA-12BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/librt/wdb_obj.c:
14:16.08CIA-12BRL-CAD: The MGED mvall command was not catching when the user renames a sketch that
14:16.08CIA-12BRL-CAD: is used by an extrude primitive. The change mimics the treatment for
14:16.08CIA-12BRL-CAD: combination records. If the primitive being renamed is a sketch, we search
14:16.08CIA-12BRL-CAD: to see if any "extrude" uses the sketch and updates the name in the "extrude".
14:37.07CIA-12BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/gtools/ (g_qa.1 g_qa.c):
14:37.07CIA-12BRL-CAD: The -g command line option can now have its arguments separated by either
14:37.07CIA-12BRL-CAD: a comma or a hyphen now, based upon user request.
14:51.42CIA-12BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/libbn/bn_tcl.c:
14:51.42CIA-12BRL-CAD: Exposed two additional routines in the Tcl interface:
14:51.42CIA-12BRL-CAD:  bn_isect_line2_line2
14:51.42CIA-12BRL-CAD:  bn_isect_line3_line3
14:51.43CIA-12BRL-CAD: This allows us to process data from the Arcsecond Vulcan(tm) in Tcl scripts
14:51.43CIA-12BRL-CAD: instead of C code.
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21:12.44CIA-12BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/points/ (process.c process.h):
21:12.44CIA-12BRL-CAD: rename the create functions to have a create_ prefix (e.g. create_plate), add
21:12.44CIA-12BRL-CAD: condense_points and delete_points for removing null points from a set and
21:12.44CIA-12BRL-CAD: deleting detected 5-point replicates in the input (implying a need to delete the
21:12.44CIA-12BRL-CAD: previous point).
22:54.49``Erik*yawn*
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