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| 01:24.51 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 01:28.24 | ``Erik | yes, sean, I realized that :) |
| 01:28.27 | ``Erik | work is retarding me. |
| 01:28.54 | ``Erik | sysutils/uptimed and lang/gauche |
| 01:30.07 | ``Erik | uptimed give you uptime records with some neat stuff like milestone notifications, etc... so your awesome uptimes aren't lost forever when the janitor kicks the cord |
| 01:30.13 | ``Erik | and lang/gauche, well, I want my scheme ;) |
| 01:30.38 | brlcad | sounds good to me |
| 01:31.18 | brlcad | probaby a good time to portupgrade -Ra too .. |
| 01:31.24 | ``Erik | -Raus |
| 01:31.27 | ``Erik | well |
| 01:31.27 | brlcad | maybe later tonight |
| 01:31.30 | ``Erik | sudo -Rau |
| 01:31.33 | ``Erik | :) |
| 01:31.50 | ``Erik | ooh, that reminds me, I'm gonna do sysutils/pkg_cutleaves, too |
| 01:32.05 | brlcad | never heard of it |
| 01:32.17 | ``Erik | pkg_cutleaves -l <-- will display all ports installed that are not dependancies for other ports |
| 01:32.26 | ``Erik | and it has an interactive mode that lets you cull down your pkg list |
| 01:33.07 | brlcad | why would one cull down your pkg list? |
| 01:33.38 | ``Erik | I've installed shit to try something, then forgot it *shrug* |
| 01:34.18 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:34.40 | ``Erik | also; similiar uses as "deborphan" |
| 01:34.54 | ``Erik | if you've done much serious debian admin |
| 01:35.38 | ``Erik | it's my favorite leenewx, but I haven't tried gentoo or ubuntoo yet |
| 01:36.17 | ``Erik | woops, ruby is getting upgraded here |
| 01:36.53 | brlcad | upgrades are fine, so long as it doesn't clobber or break existing stuff |
| 01:37.23 | ``Erik | hopefully not :) |
| 01:37.31 | ``Erik | that reminds me |
| 01:38.15 | ``Erik | purdue hosts anoncvs for fbsd, their machine ate part of itself, so anoncvs is gone right now... I talked to the admins, "greg" says that parts are on order and the parts will be in next week... |
| 01:38.31 | ``Erik | once that's back, I'll send-pr brlcad 7.6.4 for fbsd |
| 01:38.49 | ``Erik | and submit a pkg to the sf site |
| 01:38.59 | brlcad | cool deal |
| 01:39.18 | brlcad | there's one patch to make to the source tarball potentially |
| 01:39.29 | ``Erik | hrmmmmm |
| 01:39.41 | ``Erik | I know there's be considerable changes, since I'll be using the system tcl now... |
| 01:39.56 | brlcad | a quick test of an mged build will tell you if it works or not |
| 01:40.05 | brlcad | if it runs, it works ;) |
| 01:40.15 | ``Erik | well, that's the trivial part... the hard part is the pkg-plist |
| 01:40.24 | brlcad | if it doesn't, have to add a 0 && to a line in src/mged/ged.c |
| 01:40.47 | ``Erik | if it doesn't work, I'll talk to ya |
| 01:41.16 | brlcad | hopefully this cvsup doesn't bork your portupgrade.. |
| 01:41.29 | ``Erik | ummmmm |
| 01:41.29 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 01:41.51 | ``Erik | there wasn't much in the update list... I think I'm on the last package, so probly not |
| 01:42.22 | brlcad | it's only up to ports/lang so far |
| 01:42.34 | brlcad | ports/mail |
| 01:43.03 | brlcad | misc |
| 01:43.15 | brlcad | multimedia |
| 01:43.24 | brlcad | net |
| 01:43.26 | ``Erik | I'll tell ya when mine is done, then you can do the portupgrade... |
| 01:43.33 | brlcad | like ticking timebomb :) |
| 01:43.53 | ``Erik | I intend to bring most if not all our work machines to 60, btw |
| 01:44.35 | ``Erik | the clusters already run it, it's the fs's that need updating... |
| 01:44.53 | ``Erik | and those highly deviant zen labs boxen |
| 01:45.40 | brlcad | past sysutils |
| 01:46.40 | brlcad | all done |
| 01:46.58 | brlcad | eh, ruby just coredumped |
| 01:47.34 | ``Erik | doing what? |
| 01:48.12 | ``Erik | try removing INDEX.db ? |
| 01:48.13 | brlcad | no idea, ruby18 |
| 01:48.22 | ``Erik | (did you try running portupgrade?) |
| 01:48.38 | brlcad | it didn't crash on ME.. just a process on the system crashed |
| 01:48.45 | ``Erik | hrm |
| 01:48.53 | brlcad | i just see the core dump notifications |
| 01:49.55 | brlcad | portupgrade is written in ruby? never noticed |
| 01:50.15 | ``Erik | yup |
| 01:50.29 | ``Erik | seems to be chunkin' along for me |
| 01:51.28 | ``Erik | guess i'm doing the portupgrade for ya |
| 01:51.51 | brlcad | ahh, you did add -a, yeah |
| 01:52.46 | Maloeran | Interesting, Gentoo's portage written in Python sure is pathetically slow |
| 01:53.36 | ``Erik | I don't think python is inherently slow, but it may be poorly coded... :) |
| 01:54.13 | brlcad | compiled bootstrap, python, and shell tools optimized? |
| 01:54.24 | brlcad | default isn't exactly the best set of optimization options |
| 01:56.46 | ``Erik | http://funroll-loops.org/ makes me nervous to try gento |
| 01:56.48 | ``Erik | o |
| 01:57.03 | Maloeran | Sure, all optimized and on amd64, I'm just amazed how slow it can be |
| 01:57.39 | ``Erik | hrmmmmm, I've seen "more" optimization produce significantly slower executables o.O |
| 02:03.24 | ``Erik | heh, I got some for the wench, and she decided she didn't like it anymore *sigh* |
| 02:05.25 | brlcad | that's succulent ;) |
| 02:06.01 | ``Erik | hold the olives??? |
| 02:06.04 | ``Erik | you FREAK |
| 02:06.19 | brlcad | more optimization producing slower execs sounds like a gcc4ism or otherwise buggy compiler ;) |
| 02:06.46 | Maloeran | I'm not sure, we would have to benchmark against this royal couscous with merguez and sublime lamb :) |
| 02:06.48 | ``Erik | 3 did it, too... probably related to cache misses or something |
| 02:07.39 | Maloeran | Compilers don't really know what's the fastest solution, sometimes -Os prove fastest as it makes the whole algorithm fit in L1 cache |
| 02:08.11 | ``Erik | maybe |
| 02:09.14 | brlcad | that's the problem, they SHOULD know .. call it a bug or compiler inadequacy -- they know the hardware they are compiling on, it shouldn't get slower |
| 02:09.59 | Maloeran | There's so much that compilers can't know regarding the code execution, I don't think it would be possible without collecting abundant statistics and recompiling from previous runs |
| 02:10.25 | brlcad | and several compilers do that now ;) |
| 02:11.14 | brlcad | multipass compilation is almost a forgone necessity now for effective branch prediction and cache coherency |
| 02:11.16 | Maloeran | When I tried GCC's branching collection and prediction switches, the result was slower :) |
| 02:12.02 | Maloeran | In any case... I just ended up writing an amd64 assembly path of my ray-tracer's pipeline, I welcome any compiler to try to defeat that :} |
| 02:12.12 | brlcad | gcc, as prevalent as it is, has never shaken a decent stick at optimization compared to the compilers from the vendors |
| 02:12.39 | brlcad | except for maybe solaris, which has a compiler that actually generates slower code for their own platform |
| 02:12.43 | brlcad | but then they suck |
| 02:13.50 | Maloeran | GCC's register allocation scheme is fairly poor, to me it seems to be the most important problem |
| 02:14.15 | ``Erik | x86 registers are extremely poor |
| 02:14.18 | Maloeran | Plus various chip-specific stupidities it tend to generate once in a while, stalling execution |
| 02:14.29 | Maloeran | Sure, I'm mostly referring to amd64 |
| 02:16.29 | ``Erik | bah, who uses those lame amd chips anyways ;) |
| 02:17.04 | ``Erik | stare all you want, but lemme go hide, um, all my x86 breed machines... |
| 02:17.06 | ``Erik | first |
| 02:17.07 | ``Erik | :) |
| 02:17.25 | brlcad | mm.. chips, I could go for a bag of salt and vinegar right about now |
| 02:17.51 | brlcad | deep fried hopefully |
| 02:18.50 | Maloeran | Most chips aren't too far from being the worst thing one can eat and still bears the label "food" |
| 02:19.41 | brlcad | you've apparently never tried sea urchin |
| 02:20.25 | Maloeran | Indeed, I haven't :) |
| 02:20.28 | brlcad | that defined a whole new level of "bad food" to me |
| 02:20.42 | brlcad | but an interesting experience nonetheless |
| 02:21.10 | ``Erik | http://www.anti-rice.com/images/Patrick%20-%203.jpg *ghah* |
| 02:21.22 | ``Erik | http://www.anti-rice.com/images/Patrick%20-%202.jpg |
| 02:21.30 | ``Erik | http://www.anti-rice.com/images/Patrick%20-%201.jpg |
| 02:22.31 | ``Erik | http://www.anti-rice.com/images/Dalens69%20-%201.jpg |
| 02:22.32 | ``Erik | http://www.anti-rice.com/images/Dalens69%20-%202.jpg |
| 02:22.52 | brlcad | that sucker is huge |
| 02:23.13 | brlcad | oooh, now that one is purdy |
| 02:23.14 | ``Erik | which, the beast in the nova? |
| 02:23.21 | ``Erik | the 69 camaro is sweet |
| 02:23.31 | brlcad | the greenie |
| 02:23.33 | ``Erik | supposedly that nova pushes more than 750bhp |
| 02:23.36 | brlcad | shweet |
| 02:27.57 | ``Erik | do you know how many kw you can put out? |
| 02:28.27 | ``Erik | that nova is, um, 560kw |
| 02:28.36 | Maloeran | Definitely not, any idea how to mesure that? :) |
| 02:29.09 | ``Erik | um, here's a webpage that says the average human can put out about 125 watts from pedalling |
| 02:29.13 | ``Erik | http://www.windstreampower.com/humanpower/hpgtech.html |
| 02:29.29 | ``Erik | hand cranking is about 50 watts |
| 02:29.55 | ``Erik | so that car has as much muscle as probably about 4500 of you. |
| 02:29.56 | ``Erik | :) |
| 02:30.16 | Maloeran | 0.17 horse power, neat |
| 02:31.15 | ``Erik | my pickup has about 90kw, so, um, 720 of you :D |
| 02:32.17 | Maloeran | Amusing thought that it might be possible to keep a 200-300W box on by pedalling for a little while |
| 02:36.21 | ``Erik | get a more efficient machine? :) |
| 02:49.56 | pra5ad | anyone know if jason is online? |
| 02:50.18 | pra5ad | and when is the partay tomorrow |
| 02:51.11 | brlcad | all day no? |
| 02:51.20 | pra5ad | even morning? |
| 02:51.27 | pra5ad | im supposed to bring drinks (and keg) |
| 02:51.44 | pra5ad | w/ jason |
| 02:52.03 | brlcad | joked that both of you should just bring 1 bottle |
| 02:52.14 | brlcad | just to see the panic |
| 02:52.40 | pra5ad | and piss off wendy9000 |
| 02:52.42 | pra5ad | no thanks =) |
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| 19:27.19 | blossa | Hi! I run Gentoo and having problems with framebuffer... anyone that can point me into the right direction? |
| 19:28.57 | blossa | Also, i don't know if it matters but, I use udev... |
| 19:44.19 | blossa | brb |
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| 20:05.00 | joevalleyfield | udev makes no difference |
| 20:05.05 | joevalleyfield | it works for me on gentoo |
| 20:05.18 | joevalleyfield | the "/dev/fb" is just an identier |
| 20:05.37 | joevalleyfield | not a device or pipe or file or anything at all |
| 20:06.05 | joevalleyfield | did you try fbserv standalone? |
| 20:32.17 | blossa | I got it working now. I found an old log from irc: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20050312.html.gz |
| 20:33.31 | blossa | that lead me into the right direction. :-) |
| 20:41.37 | blossa | I thought... hehe I used /dev/X, and got a 'framebuffer-window'. When i use /dev/ogl the hole screen goes black. /dev/fb gives me 'no such device'. |
| 20:41.54 | blossa | So /dev/X is the right for me? |
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| 21:07.27 | joevalleyfield | you're right |
| 21:13.41 | blossa | I have been testing some rendering now... At the beginning I thought I made something wrong, but then I realized that it is fast!!! :-) |
| 21:22.16 | blossa | As far as I can see, rendering uses both processors. But are there any settings I can do to make sure it uses both processors? |
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| 23:01.44 | fenn | any estimate for when archer will be released? |
