| 00:00.21 | ``Erik | I see no documentation indicating that it can talk syslog |
| 00:04.22 | pra5ad | localhost sshd[27432] reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for public-s.com failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 00:04.22 | pra5ad | localhost sshd[27432] (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=211.125.70.86 user=root |
| 00:04.22 | pra5ad | localhost sshd[27432] Failed password for root from 211.125.70.86 port 52662 ssh2 |
| 00:04.29 | pra5ad | :0 |
| 00:04.43 | *** part/#brlcad igotbsd (n=ricardo@adsl-10-15-31.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:06.06 | pra5ad | localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[22486] (root) CMD ( run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 00:06.15 | pra5ad | is run every hour |
| 00:06.19 | pra5ad | hrm |
| 00:07.35 | pra5ad | run-parts isnt finding the script in cron.hourly |
| 00:08.59 | docelic | pra5ad which script ? |
| 00:09.41 | pra5ad | it's my own ( blah.sh ) with 755 |
| 00:10.01 | pra5ad | i can explicitly call it and it runs fine |
| 00:10.18 | docelic | does it have #!/bin/sh at the top ? |
| 00:10.24 | pra5ad | yes |
| 00:12.30 | docelic | strange.. There's surely an obvious explanation, though :) |
| 00:14.15 | pra5ad | hah |
| 00:14.27 | pra5ad | it didnt like '_' in the filename |
| 00:14.30 | pra5ad | :\ |
| 00:14.35 | pra5ad | all is well |
| 00:15.36 | pra5ad | or perhaps the length.. whatever =) |
| 01:16.58 | justin_ | 1/2" drywall is great for the biceps |
| 04:10.03 | brlcad | pra5ad: i get a couple dozen various sorts of ssh intrusion attempts a day on the server, nothing abnormal unfortunately |
| 04:10.39 | brlcad | important to disable root/admin ssh though and ensure you have decent passwords at the least |
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| 04:39.29 | brlcad | updating just about every file, that time of year again |
| 04:40.00 | Weyland | newbie here |
| 04:40.07 | brlcad | hello Weyland |
| 04:40.19 | Weyland | few "poke around" type questions if I can |
| 04:40.23 | Weyland | Hi~! |
| 04:40.53 | brlcad | fire away, someone's usually around to answer.. i'm usually around and will answer eventually |
| 04:41.39 | Weyland | First, forgive me of this is in the PDFs or somewhere else... I saw the IRC channel and thought to ask and interact |
| 04:41.45 | Weyland | thanks |
| 04:42.10 | Weyland | Can BRLCAD create files that can be used by a CAM system like MasterCAM? |
| 04:42.49 | brlcad | no problem |
| 04:42.52 | brlcad | feel free to hang out ;) |
| 04:43.02 | brlcad | (with a real irc client eventually, of course) |
| 04:43.15 | Weyland | Ah, hold on, I can do that... |
| 04:43.19 | brlcad | brl-cad has exporters for a variety of geometry formats |
| 04:43.37 | brlcad | more than likely, one of them is one that mastercam can read |
| 04:43.57 | Weyland | is there a link to an html list of them or do I need to keep opening pdfs? |
| 04:44.20 | brlcad | g-acad g-dxf g-euclid1 g-jack g-nmg g-off g-stl g-vrml |
| 04:44.23 | brlcad | g-adrt g-euclid g-iges g-nff g-obj g-shell.rect g-tankill g-x3d |
| 04:44.46 | Weyland | kewl - stl adn iges |
| 04:44.49 | brlcad | dxf, iges, stl, and obj are highly likely |
| 04:44.51 | Weyland | and* |
| 04:44.58 | Weyland | kewl |
| 04:44.59 | Weyland | thanks |
| 04:45.18 | Weyland | here, lemme get a client running and come back |
| 04:45.30 | brlcad | mind you that those are all explicit/facetized geometry formats, not implicit like brl-cad prefers |
| 04:45.46 | brlcad | but they'll usually get the job done |
| 04:45.48 | brlcad | sure |
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| 04:46.31 | weyland | better? |
| 04:46.58 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:47.03 | weyland | :) |
| 04:47.05 | weyland | okay... |
| 04:47.30 | weyland | realistically, how does BRLCAD compare to SolidWorks? |
| 04:47.45 | weyland | or is there a comparison? |
| 04:47.48 | brlcad | heh, that's a pretty involved question ;) |
| 04:47.59 | weyland | Well, let me back up a minute |
| 04:48.07 | brlcad | lemme see if I can find a link -- i went into some detail on a message thread somewhere |
| 04:48.32 | weyland | I've been using SW and MasterCAM for a while and really like SW, and deal with mcam |
| 04:48.42 | weyland | okay, kewl |
| 04:49.01 | weyland | BUT~! I'm always looking for ways to do things natively in Linux... |
| 04:49.20 | weyland | and have been looking for a good solid modeller in linux for some time |
| 04:49.36 | brlcad | brl-cad will feel incredibly different in some respects .. it was designed for different purposes and with different methodologies |
| 04:49.39 | weyland | SW is (for me) very quick and easy |
| 04:49.47 | brlcad | that said, both can and do get the job done and are in production use |
| 04:50.06 | weyland | I don't mind different methods |
| 04:50.23 | weyland | it's the results and ease of use that matter to me |
| 04:50.59 | weyland | after that, it's keeping on the lookout for ways to completely shed any ties to windows |
| 04:51.24 | weyland | Well... after making sure to remain productive at the shop :) |
| 04:51.52 | brlcad | here's one relevant thread: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1273540&forum_id=362509 |
| 04:51.56 | weyland | Also, is BRL-CAD parametric? |
| 04:52.15 | brlcad | brl-cad has the results, long long history of them |
| 04:52.46 | brlcad | the ease of use depends on who you talk to -- from a sw background, you probably won't find it easy to use at least at first |
| 04:53.36 | weyland | kewl, honesty. *THAT* I can work with... :) |
| 04:54.04 | weyland | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.25 | brlcad | mged is the primary modeler in brl-cad, one of about 400 tools in all |
| 04:54.40 | weyland | In the end, I'll evaluate it anyway. I'm just looking for some insights up front |
| 04:54.59 | brlcad | mged's interface leaves much to be desired, but it gets the job done for the experts quickly |
| 04:55.22 | brlcad | new users tend to cry for a couple weeks, then start to appreciate it after they make it through the training |
| 04:55.47 | brlcad | brl-cad does not have decent support for parametrics or expressions yet if that's what you meant |
| 04:56.02 | brlcad | it's on the to do list |
| 04:56.09 | weyland | what I mean is this - |
| 04:56.30 | brlcad | it's not a brep modeler either ;) |
| 04:56.42 | brlcad | though brep support is improving |
| 04:57.22 | brlcad | it's very strongly implicit modeling based, CSG hierarchies from top to bottom |
| 04:57.33 | weyland | In SW, I can choose a "feature" and change it's "properties" to change its size, and if there are other features that are linked to that one, they will all change similarly, without my having to go and choose each one individually. |
| 04:57.49 | weyland | Does BRL-CAD have something similar? |
| 04:58.14 | weyland | brep is not something I'm familiar with. definition? |
| 04:58.43 | brlcad | that's parametrics and expressions, getting geometry to tie to other geometry and automatically resolve updates |
| 04:58.52 | brlcad | it's a hot topic and wanted feature, but not yet a reality |
| 04:59.02 | weyland | okay. |
| 04:59.32 | weyland | is there an expected timeline? |
| 05:00.10 | brlcad | with the nature of open source, hard to say -- depends a lot on the drive of the community |
| 05:00.17 | weyland | understood |
| 05:00.47 | weyland | just poking around, trying to get an idea of what's been going on and how things have been moving |
| 05:01.10 | brlcad | that and managing the time constraints with the other priorities going on -- like the last couple months have been heavy getting the Windows port merged in cleanly |
| 05:01.23 | weyland | :) |
| 05:02.17 | weyland | I've been using EMC as a maching controller, and there's a similar situation with regard to getting threading for lathe going. |
| 05:03.31 | brlcad | there was a couple guys highly interested in coupling brl-cad to emc or having it export gcode directly or indirectly for a while, the interests ebb and flow |
| 05:03.56 | weyland | it would probably help both of you greatly |
| 05:04.10 | weyland | EMC is really, really good |
| 05:04.22 | weyland | weird learning curve, but worht it. |
| 05:04.47 | brlcad | with the way most things in brl-cad are isolated into commands, writing bridges usually becomes a matter of writing an exporter |
| 05:06.27 | weyland | right, right |
| 05:07.19 | brlcad | biggest project under development right now is a revamped modeling interface, since that is brl-cad's weakest link generally speaking |
| 05:07.38 | weyland | you mean like a better gui? |
| 05:07.49 | brlcad | for all the mged does very well, there are several simple things from just an interface perspective that make it a pita |
| 05:07.54 | brlcad | indeed I do |
| 05:08.30 | weyland | right... I understand... still, I (personally) don't mind overmuch a CLI box |
| 05:09.26 | weyland | SW *is* really nice in that its GUI is very quick and intuitive, but I don't mind a CLI if it is quick and good as well |
| 05:09.53 | brlcad | the cli isn't going away, just a matter of making the gui-side much better and making the cli more discoverable as well |
| 05:10.00 | weyland | kewl |
| 05:10.11 | brlcad | the cli as it stands is probably mged's strongest point |
| 05:10.50 | brlcad | several of brl-cad's expert modelers swear by it saying there are things they can do with it that they can't even begin to approach in pro/e, unigraphics |
| 05:10.51 | weyland | CLI's usually are :) |
| 05:11.11 | weyland | hmmm... okay |
| 05:11.22 | brlcad | it is a fully scriptable and extendable environment as well |
| 05:12.02 | weyland | I'm thinking that BRL-CAd is probably MUCH more powerful than *I'LL* ever need, but I'm still intrested |
| 05:12.55 | weyland | Basically, I really would love to find something Linux based for my modelling |
| 05:13.39 | weyland | SW is pretty much perfect for me, save for the windows thing... |
| 05:14.20 | brlcad | learning to model using csg operations as your primary technique is often the hard part for users coming from a brep modeler like solidworks |
| 05:14.58 | weyland | If you guys ever did get BRL-CAD to do CAM output (with or without EMC interface) THAT would be the cat's pajamas~! |
| 05:15.01 | brlcad | yeah, trust me.. supporting windows isn't at the top of my list, but the masses do speak loudly and frequently |
| 05:15.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:15.47 | weyland | CSG? BREP? where can I find these defs? |
| 05:16.05 | weyland | I'm not "trained" so miss a lot of meanings |
| 05:16.54 | brlcad | moderately simple introduction to CSG on wikipedia and other places on the web |
| 05:16.59 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_solid_geometry iirc |
| 05:17.08 | weyland | Ah, okay, kewl |
| 05:18.22 | brlcad | one or two bullets on various techniques here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_modeling |
| 05:19.05 | brlcad | most modelers are some sort of hybrid system, even brl-cad, though brl-cad still has a massive foundation on CSG |
| 05:19.56 | brlcad | whereas may of the other systems tend to promote feature brep modeling with parametrics |
| 05:21.15 | weyland | AH~! Brep~! Now I get it. |
| 05:21.42 | weyland | yes... brep + parametrics = sw |
| 05:21.45 | weyland | got it |
| 05:22.16 | weyland | actually very good articles |
| 05:22.40 | brlcad | the fundamental mathematiccal differences are usually explicit vs implicit modeling, which is a little more involved to explain |
| 05:24.26 | weyland | Well, I think I'll play around with it for a bit and see what happens |
| 05:24.40 | weyland | Thanks very much for your time and efforts |
| 05:24.41 | brlcad | you found the tutorial manuals? |
| 05:24.48 | weyland | PDFs? |
| 05:24.51 | brlcad | on the website |
| 05:24.53 | brlcad | yeah |
| 05:25.01 | brlcad | volume II in particular for getting started with mged |
| 05:25.16 | weyland | yes, was using the first one and doing the sphere excercise |
| 05:25.17 | brlcad | you won't likely be able to just jump in without going through some of the tutorials |
| 05:25.26 | weyland | no chance :) |
| 05:25.44 | weyland | no offense - but it's not at all intuitive :) |
| 05:25.53 | brlcad | no offense taken |
| 05:25.55 | brlcad | i agree |
| 05:26.08 | weyland | still, it didn't take but a few minutes to get a few pages in of the tutorial |
| 05:26.15 | brlcad | that's why a new modeler interface is a long-term-priority |
| 05:26.31 | weyland | that's how I learned both SW and Mcam |
| 05:26.41 | weyland | from the tutorials |
| 05:27.27 | weyland | not that I really *know* either one, but I can use them for my purposes. |
| 05:28.16 | weyland | Are you aware of anyone actually using BRL-CAD in a production machinine shop environment? |
| 05:28.33 | brlcad | hmm |
| 05:28.36 | weyland | - I'm a one man shop |
| 05:28.55 | weyland | oops - machine shop |
| 05:29.04 | brlcad | nobody specific comes to mind, but that's consdierably outside my realm of contacts :) |
| 05:29.13 | weyland | okay, kewl |
| 05:29.18 | weyland | thought to ask |
| 05:29.54 | brlcad | there have been folks askeing specifically about cam/machining purposes |
| 05:30.07 | brlcad | so I'd imagine yes as they are questions on use, not just passive interest |
| 05:30.41 | weyland | actually, thinking on it, you might wanna get with the EMC guys and offer the package for inclusion with the EMC releases/CDs |
| 05:30.44 | brlcad | more than happy to make brl-cad be what it needs to for it though ;) |
| 05:30.57 | weyland | Good to hear :) |
| 05:31.10 | brlcad | i spoke with the emc guys early last year for a little while |
| 05:31.28 | brlcad | and there is mutual interest |
| 05:31.36 | weyland | some new guys (really good guys, too) are involved these days |
| 05:31.44 | brlcad | it's more a matter of getting more than myself interested involved in the actual coding ;) |
| 05:31.45 | weyland | I think it could really benefit both of you |
| 05:31.50 | weyland | :) |
| 05:32.40 | brlcad | there are a couple major areas like that we can/should be more inolved with (FEA anyone?) but are strapped for time/people |
| 05:32.41 | weyland | GraphiteOne was included and people started using it just because it was there. |
| 05:32.44 | pra5ad | brlcad is just lazy |
| 05:32.52 | weyland | lol |
| 05:33.00 | weyland | I know I tried it. |
| 05:33.05 | weyland | hated it, but I tried it |
| 05:33.08 | brlcad | ~lart pra5ad |
| 05:33.17 | weyland | lol |
| 05:34.01 | weyland | Kinematics would be fantastic |
| 05:34.04 | weyland | :) |
| 05:34.18 | brlcad | there is rudimentary kinematics support actually |
| 05:34.26 | weyland | and while yer at it, an open bar would be great too |
| 05:34.33 | brlcad | not simple to use, but it's there -- has been used to make some movies |
| 05:34.42 | pra5ad | we only serve sake |
| 05:34.44 | pra5ad | just a heads up |
| 05:34.45 | weyland | kewlio, didn't know that |
| 05:34.53 | weyland | lol |
| 05:34.58 | weyland | Damn. No Mead? |
| 05:35.05 | brlcad | mm.. |
| 05:35.21 | pra5ad | talk to ``Erik the mad for mead |
| 05:35.32 | weyland | brewing some now |
| 05:35.43 | weyland | drinking some always |
| 05:35.49 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:36.22 | weyland | Well, gotta go, but I thank you for the honest info |
| 05:36.30 | weyland | I'll be baq, I'm sure |
| 05:36.32 | brlcad | no problem |
| 05:36.43 | weyland | I'll check in here from time to time |
| 05:36.48 | brlcad | keep an eye here or on the brlcad-news mailing list for announcements ;) |
| 05:36.57 | weyland | will do |
| 05:36.59 | weyland | Thanks |
| 05:37.02 | weyland | nite |
| 05:37.06 | brlcad | cya |
| 05:46.45 | brlcad | heh, seriously? need more then |
| 05:55.19 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (276 files in 47 dirs): fix the manpage commments via s/\.\/"/.\\\"/g |
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| 06:20.53 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/cvs2cl.pl: revert inadvertent mod that will break the script |
| 06:22.29 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/library/safe.tcl: revert inadvertent mod |
| 06:27.58 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/tkimg/base/configure: no need to put configure in cvs, especially if we're not using it |
| 06:29.28 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/unix/tclUnixFile.c: revert |
| 06:31.13 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: revert |
| 06:32.55 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/win/configure: don't need configure, can be generated |
| 06:33.19 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/win/tclWinFCmd.c: revert |
| 06:34.07 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/tools/configure: don't need configure, can be generated |
| 06:36.31 | PKMOBILE | (01:33:46) Enigma Geist: This "chuck kennedy" the site talks about... |
| 06:36.31 | PKMOBILE | (01:33:52) MK: thats my dad |
| 06:36.32 | PKMOBILE | (01:34:47) Enigma Geist: Kermit's your dad? O.O |
| 06:36.32 | PKMOBILE | (01:34:53) MK: yeah |
| 06:36.32 | PKMOBILE | (01:35:00) Enigma Geist: *jaw drops* |
| 06:36.47 | PKMOBILE | i dont get it i swear! |
| 06:39.52 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtk/unix/configure: don't need configure in cvs |
| 06:40.55 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/generic/ (tclFileName.c tclIOUtil.c): revert |
| 06:41.55 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtk/win/configure: don't need configure in cvs |
| 06:43.59 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/fs_dialog.tk: revert |
| 06:51.20 | brlcad | PKMOBILE: heh |
| 06:52.54 | PKMOBILE | i think hes starting to get old... he had me doing all these diagnostics trying to figure out why we couldnt connect to play a game and it turns out he disconnected his computer from the network the night before |
| 06:53.29 | brlcad | mmm heh |
| 06:54.34 | CIA-6 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/ (iwidgets/configure libz/configure): don't need configure in cvs |
| 06:55.16 | PKMOBILE | brlcad, did you ever put in that request for them to restore the database or should i redo it from scratch or what? |
| 07:03.56 | PKMOBILE | i could also just pretty up the static page too |
| 07:07.45 | brlcad | er, i did and they did |
| 07:09.06 | brlcad | it's in a file iirc on node1 |
| 07:10.32 | PKMOBILE | oops |
| 07:10.36 | PKMOBILE | didnt get the memo :-P |
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| 21:42.32 | cad692 | Just want to confirm .... was I told yesterday that Windows distribution is anticipated within a few weeks? |
| 21:51.43 | archivist | thats what the man said and why didnt you wait for an answer |
| 23:33.56 | brlcad | archivist: heh indeed |
| 23:34.52 | archivist | impatient people, they just dont know the ways of irc |