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| 00:59.12 | Twingy | new pc bbl |
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| 04:10.12 | IriX64 | bbiab |
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| 06:17.34 | varsendaggr | hey anyone here? |
| 06:20.16 | varsendaggr | anyone get this running on a debian ? ie ubuntu? |
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| 10:14.42 | brlcad | varsendaggr: any particular question, or just taking census? |
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| 14:34.42 | varsendaggr | brlcad, nah i just was wondering if there getting brlcad running on a debian machine is easy. i tried a while back and i had a hard time of it, however i now know more about everythign |
| 14:42.01 | varsendaggr | wow brlcad is 42 mb |
| 14:42.47 | cradek | I had trouble with autoconf on breezy but it worked fine on dapper |
| 14:42.58 | cradek | compiling cvs head of a couple days ago |
| 14:43.33 | cradek | I guess if you use a source release (which I never found) it avoids the autoconf problems because the configure script is already generated |
| 14:44.51 | brlcad | cradek: you didn't find the source release?? :) |
| 14:45.27 | brlcad | varsendaggr: it should be fairly turn-key, though I rarely get a debian box to test on so minor issues might pop up |
| 14:46.02 | varsendaggr | ohhh |
| 14:46.04 | brlcad | if gbs tools are all installed correctly, it should be a matter of ./autogen.sh && ./configure --enable-everything --enable-optimized && make |
| 14:46.25 | cradek | hmm I found brlcad.org, which talks about cvs |
| 14:46.27 | brlcad | then of course sudo make install or what have you to install |
| 14:46.32 | cradek | brlcad.com has releases for download |
| 14:46.43 | cradek | that's odd |
| 14:46.48 | brlcad | cradek: follow the first link on brlcad.org |
| 14:46.55 | varsendaggr | great |
| 14:47.00 | varsendaggr | the file is huge |
| 14:47.14 | brlcad | not so huge for a CAD system.. ;) |
| 14:48.09 | cradek | brlcad: ok, duh |
| 14:49.01 | cradek | brlcad: on brlcad.org, none of the links jumped out at me as "how to get it" except for #6 |
| 14:49.20 | brlcad | yeah the site really sucks.. |
| 14:49.33 | brlcad | it's high on the todo list to make the site suck less |
| 14:49.44 | cradek | well I didn't exactly say that |
| 14:49.58 | cradek | on brlcad.com I went right to "downloads" |
| 14:50.38 | cradek | (I don't understand why there are two completely different sites) |
| 14:52.02 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:52.42 | ``Erik | brlcad.org is owned and operated by the developers, brlcad.com is owned and operated by a company that makes money selling documentation and training for the software... |
| 14:52.43 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:53.03 | cradek | ok, that explains it |
| 14:54.19 | ``Erik | brlcad, maybe we should put a "Get it"! link around the "project site" and "images&screenies" links that go to the sf files page? |
| 14:54.52 | ``Erik | or put a note with thte project site link? |
| 14:54.58 | cradek | if that had been there, I would have built a release, not cvs head - which is probably what you want newbies like me to do |
| 14:55.35 | ``Erik | cradek: did you look at the cvs tags before co'ing head? |
| 14:55.41 | cradek | no |
| 14:55.58 | ``Erik | :) |
| 14:56.01 | cradek | http://brlcad.org/build_CVS.html |
| 14:56.07 | cradek | I followed the instructions... |
| 14:56.52 | brlcad | those should work too |
| 14:57.18 | brlcad | ``Erik: the entire site needs to be redone .. there's a lot more that just "how to get the source" that needs 'fixing' |
| 14:57.34 | cradek | yes but Ithink ``Erik was imlying I should have found a tag for the latest release |
| 14:57.37 | brlcad | and by fixing I mean things that involve a shotgun and the back end of a shed |
| 14:57.51 | brlcad | yeah, you could have used the last release tag |
| 14:58.03 | brlcad | that would match the source downloads on sf.net |
| 14:58.08 | cradek | I understand |
| 14:58.24 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292 is the "official" distributions |
| 14:58.30 | cradek | I actually thought I was being a "good newbie" by precisely following the instructions |
| 14:58.47 | brlcad | nothing wrong with the approach you took :) |
| 14:59.08 | brlcad | it's a debian-caveat that something is borked with the GBS tools :) |
| 14:59.19 | brlcad | that's outside our domain/control |
| 14:59.24 | cradek | GBS? |
| 14:59.30 | brlcad | GNU Build System |
| 14:59.36 | cradek | oh autoconf stuff |
| 14:59.39 | brlcad | autoconf + automake + libtool + m4 etc |
| 14:59.46 | cradek | sure, sounds like that's not your problem |
| 15:00.03 | brlcad | got to run.. back in a few |
| 15:00.12 | cradek | probably by getting the right packages installed it would have worked, but it was easier for me to go to another machine |
| 15:13.00 | cradek | when I use g-dxf to get 3DFACEs (bag of triangles) how do I control the tesselation (how many triangles I get for say, a sphere)? |
| 15:16.10 | cradek | ok I see there are some tolerances in the manpage |
| 17:33.45 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 17:38.43 | CIA-2 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/ (g_extrude.c g_sketch.c g_xxx.c): we don't use cake anymore (comment fix) |
| 17:49.00 | ValarQ | ymp? |
| 17:49.09 | brlcad | the cray y-mp comes to mind.. |
| 17:49.10 | SWPadnos | that's a Cray supercomputer, of course |
| 17:49.32 | brlcad | he uploaded some cross-compiled binaries labelled as 'ymp' |
| 17:49.41 | brlcad | somehow I doubt they are for a cray |
| 17:51.44 | brlcad | looks like static-compiled windows 32-bit binaries |
| 18:03.21 | SWPadnos | "Yucky Microsoft Product"? |
| 18:05.53 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:10.20 | ValarQ | SWPadnos: it's shorter just to say "Microsoft Product" |
| 18:10.49 | SWPadnos | well, I had to use the Y also ;) |
| 18:12.18 | ValarQ | yeah, my point is that it's an unlikely abbreviation :P |
| 18:15.32 | SWPadnos | indeed |
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| 19:02.12 | IriX64 | ./mged |
| 19:02.27 | IriX64 | duh. :( |
| 19:04.03 | IriX64 | low overhead scanline-per-cpu buffering <--- gotta love it. |
| 19:06.26 | IriX64 | Frame 0: 900434 rays in 101.08 sec = 8908.13 rays/sec (Wallclock) |
| 19:06.38 | IriX64 | raytrace complete. |
| 19:06.45 | IriX64 | sweet. |
| 19:06.59 | ``Erik | heh, which one is that? |
| 19:07.05 | IriX64 | havoc |
| 19:07.39 | IriX64 | nice and solid :) |
| 19:09.00 | cradek | Frame 0: 881047 rays in 22.34 sec = 39442.32 rays/sec (wallclock) |
| 19:09.12 | IriX64 | which one? |
| 19:09.18 | cradek | hey I figured out how to render something |
| 19:09.21 | ``Erik | Frame 0: 264415 rays in 1.44 sec = 183412.51 rays/sec (wallclock) |
| 19:09.24 | cradek | havoc |
| 19:09.25 | ``Erik | you people have slow computers :( |
| 19:09.34 | IriX64 | heh yeah. |
| 19:09.57 | IriX64 | 2.4ghz sucks :) |
| 19:10.07 | SWPadnos | I suppose that depends on scene complexity |
| 19:10.18 | IriX64 | and background. |
| 19:10.26 | ``Erik | the one I just ran on is 1.4ghz... |
| 19:10.27 | IriX64 | colour i mean. |
| 19:10.47 | ValarQ | IriX64: they don't suck when there are 64 of them in a cluster :P |
| 19:10.49 | IriX64 | yah ``Erik with your 16 cpus :) |
| 19:10.53 | ``Erik | 12 |
| 19:10.58 | IriX64 | heh |
| 19:11.05 | ``Erik | and, actually, I have a 4cpu 2.0ghz one that I THINK might be a hair faster |
| 19:11.08 | ``Erik | but brlcad crashes on it |
| 19:11.11 | ``Erik | *grouse* |
| 19:11.22 | IriX64 | snarl eh:) |
| 19:13.09 | IriX64 | why set the cpu's requested to 16? |
| 19:13.20 | IriX64 | in raytrace control panel? |
| 19:14.04 | IriX64 | mine says 16 cpus requested only one available using 1. |
| 19:15.09 | IriX64 | warning compile time debugging is enabled and may limit performance.... time for another build then ill race you again :) bbiab |
| 19:16.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:17.05 | brlcad | turning off debugging might get him 100 rays/sec |
| 19:26.14 | ``Erik | I've been able to replicate that amd64 seg bug without the --with-optimization flag... :/ |
| 19:33.52 | brlcad | that's rather uninteresting given there is no --with-optimization flag ;) |
| 19:34.13 | brlcad | more interesting if you meant --disable-optimized |
| 19:35.49 | CIA-2 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (9 files in 3 dirs): follow erik's lead, obliterate the other references to Cakefiles |
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| 19:36.06 | ``Erik | er |
| 19:36.15 | ``Erik | yeah, whatever, that knob |
| 19:36.32 | ``Erik | it's done via dialog in my latest port, so *shrug* I d'no :) |
| 19:38.09 | brlcad | can you try and see if it helps to change from/to pthreads vs some other threading lib? |
| 19:38.34 | brlcad | i can hobble up and show how to disable SMP to see if it's at least related to parallelism |
| 19:39.41 | ``Erik | um, lemme dork with it some |
| 19:40.11 | ``Erik | <-- kinda flipping through g_dsp to see how objects without explicitely known sizes are managed... |
| 19:44.39 | ``Erik | does it with both libpthread and libthr |
| 19:45.17 | ``Erik | librt/shoot.c ... stp is null, (and print *stpp shows 0x0) |
| 19:45.41 | ``Erik | this is std view on havoc, btw, and the crash LOOKS like it happens right as it touches the first glass part of the canopy |
| 19:49.38 | ``Erik | same crash with bu_avail_cpus() replaced with 1 |
| 19:49.49 | ``Erik | don't think it's threading, duder |
| 19:49.59 | brlcad | eek, g_dsp is probably not the best example.. |
| 19:50.38 | brlcad | it probably is the first glass, that would point towards something related to liboptical |
| 19:51.06 | brlcad | setting bu_avail_cpus() to 1 isn't the same as disabling SMP outright |
| 19:51.35 | brlcad | it will still acquire locks and spawn threads with 1 avail cpu |
| 19:51.45 | brlcad | (potentially) |
| 19:52.03 | ``Erik | hm *shrug* |
| 19:52.04 | brlcad | PARALLEL in include/machine.h |
| 19:53.15 | brlcad | undefine it and *poof* it should all go non-smp |
| 19:53.57 | brlcad | s/should/will/ |
| 19:54.14 | ``Erik | ghah, that cruft is still there? :/ |
| 19:54.50 | brlcad | haven't absorbed machine.h yet, impacts a ton of code, particularly ray-trace lib stuff |
| 19:55.12 | ``Erik | building... |
| 19:55.18 | brlcad | close to getting rid of the bit shift first |
| 19:56.12 | ``Erik | and a smarter make |
| 20:03.56 | ``Erik | same crash |
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| 20:26.51 | IriX64 | almost ready to race you, I need one thing, 6 of your cluster :P |
| 20:42.42 | ``Erik | heh, which one? |
| 20:44.09 | IriX64 | geez how many clusters do you guys have :) |
| 20:44.22 | ``Erik | um, look up 'army' at the top500 list |
| 20:45.12 | IriX64 | scuse i thought you guys were engineers... oh wait, first we dig em then we die in em right. |
| 20:46.59 | IriX64 | nice truck the m35 lets see what she looks like. |
| 20:49.42 | IriX64 | summat wrong with my system, can't cut and paste sheesh. |
| 20:50.36 | IriX64 | deauce and a 1/2 without the canopy top neat. |
| 20:51.56 | ``Erik | engineers? O.o |
| 20:52.07 | IriX64 | spell it right :P |
| 20:52.36 | ``Erik | that reminds me, I wanna see barbies new jeep... |
| 20:52.54 | IriX64 | 10518.30 rays per sec wallclock. |
| 20:53.16 | IriX64 | tried barbies jeep the truck is much nicer. |
| 20:54.03 | IriX64 | whyd they put the exhaust stack on the right, driver have sensitive ears? |
| 20:54.09 | ``Erik | awwww, it's so pwetty |
| 20:54.31 | ``Erik | what, on the m35? |
| 20:54.44 | IriX64 | yeah. |
| 20:54.45 | ``Erik | visibility? |
| 20:55.05 | IriX64 | ah the passenger doesnt need to see to shoot :) |
| 20:55.35 | ``Erik | um, it's not an assault vehicle? |
| 20:55.54 | IriX64 | tell that to the guy riding shotgun :) |
| 20:56.56 | IriX64 | whats another pretty picture lets browse /db |
| 20:57.04 | ``Erik | sphflake is neato |
| 20:57.19 | IriX64 | tanks err wait... :) |
| 20:57.32 | ``Erik | tank_car.g is a halftrack I think? |
| 20:57.56 | ``Erik | ktank.g is a favorite |
| 20:59.56 | IriX64 | either a linoleum floor or a chess board i think. |
| 21:00.07 | IriX64 | sphflake that is. |
| 21:00.14 | ``Erik | did you rt it? |
| 21:00.25 | IriX64 | still rting. its big. |
| 21:00.31 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:00.35 | IriX64 | raytrace |
| 21:02.04 | IriX64 | that took 134.81 secs. |
| 21:02.04 | ``Erik | purdee, ainnit? |
| 21:02.05 | IriX64 | so lets 2minutes and some right. |
| 21:02.10 | IriX64 | very |
| 21:02.32 | IriX64 | slow system ah well i love her anyway. |
| 21:02.54 | ``Erik | can't be any slower than my home systems |
| 21:03.07 | IriX64 | heh this is a home system. |
| 21:03.39 | IriX64 | tank_car is a railroad car already looked at that one. |
| 21:04.10 | ``Erik | <-- has 5 systems at home... 1.2 ghz g4 powerbook, 1.2ghz athlon tower, 850mhz athlon, 700mhz g3 ibook, 120mhz cyrix 6x86, and a busted sun ultra5 |
| 21:04.11 | IriX64 | star is enterprise and shuttle also very purdy. |
| 21:04.15 | ``Erik | 6, rather |
| 21:04.39 | IriX64 | heh a collector :) |
| 21:04.48 | ``Erik | not really |
| 21:04.56 | IriX64 | repair shop? |
| 21:05.02 | ``Erik | otherwise I'd still have my commodore 64's, coleco adam, etc |
| 21:05.07 | ``Erik | just haven't thrown the garbage out yet |
| 21:05.08 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:05.13 | IriX64 | ha |
| 21:10.02 | IriX64 | well we have the floor lets dance. :) |
| 21:11.22 | brlcad | wallclock time is not the best metric for comparing raytrace times |
| 21:11.27 | brlcad | use the RTFM value |
| 21:11.28 | IriX64 | hrmph scene.r won't expand ... bug in the geometry browser, ill be back. |
| 21:11.47 | IriX64 | 7.41 secs. |
| 21:11.49 | brlcad | that isolates out system interference, startup costs, etc |
| 21:12.12 | IriX64 | 362509.86 rays/sec. |
| 21:12.48 | IriX64 | RTFM=real time frame meter ? :) |
| 21:13.34 | IriX64 | ill stay wont take long to fix. |
| 21:14.10 | IriX64 | and recompile mged. |
| 21:15.36 | IriX64 | ill ftp you the mged src, you fix it ok ? :) |
| 21:16.27 | IriX64 | btw i really like these .1 files, whose idea? |
| 21:17.00 | IriX64 | templates ala the U.S. Military, gotta love it. |
| 21:21.31 | brlcad | ray trace figure of merit :) |
| 21:21.49 | IriX64 | does sphflake.sh mean anything to you? |
| 21:21.56 | IriX64 | ty |
| 21:22.29 | IriX64 | heh doh. |
| 21:22.34 | IriX64 | me i mean. |
| 21:22.39 | brlcad | that would be a shell script that raytrace sphflake |
| 21:22.57 | IriX64 | yes works too, kudos:) |
| 21:24.48 | IriX64 | i could dcc you sphflake.sh if you like. |
| 21:26.40 | IriX64 | bbiab |
| 22:00.18 | ``Erik | ... |
| 22:01.13 | IriX64 | pummel him ``Erik. :) |
| 22:01.38 | ``Erik | actually, I'm more apt to pummel you |
| 22:01.45 | ``Erik | brlcad could benchpress like 3 of me |
| 22:01.53 | ``Erik | plus he's not a total 'tard.. |
| 22:01.56 | ``Erik | *coughcough* :) |
| 22:02.29 | IriX64 | Company in my town wants a linux build, I'm gonna take this on as a mini project :) |
| 22:04.26 | ``Erik | like the ones you can download for free from... http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559 |
| 22:04.33 | IriX64 | ./configure --enable-almost-everything --with-x --disable-shared --enable-optimizations --build=i586-unix-linux. |
| 22:04.47 | IriX64 | don't take that the wrong way ``Erik. |
| 22:05.13 | IriX64 | shes configuring now. |
| 22:05.27 | IriX64 | they like my work what can i say? :) |
| 22:05.39 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 22:06.00 | IriX64 | *gasp* ;) |
| 22:06.02 | ``Erik | if you want to be actually useful, redoing builds isn't gonna accomplish that... check out http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=640802&group_id=105292&func=browse |
| 22:06.08 | ``Erik | :) |
| 22:06.23 | IriX64 | who says im doing this to be useful :) |
| 22:06.30 | ``Erik | aight *shrug* |
| 22:09.49 | IriX64 | sorry eric didn't know wed switched to serious mode, ill look at some of these, ive got oodles of time on my hands. |
| 22:16.57 | IriX64 | a "piss off user key" <---- did that guy pay you for the binaries :) |
| 22:21.09 | ``Erik | eh? |