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| 18:48.53 | bryan_ | hello |
| 18:49.16 | bryan_ | I have read in a few places about the new "archer" interface. |
| 18:49.29 | bryan_ | What is the purpose of this GUI? |
| 18:49.45 | siggraph | hello bryan_ |
| 18:49.57 | bryan_ | it doesn't run on my linux pc, and it looks like it might be developed on win32 first |
| 18:50.10 | bryan_ | do you know anything about this sig? |
| 18:50.14 | ``Erik | it was |
| 18:50.22 | siggraph | it was, though it only needs a few tweaks for linux |
| 18:50.26 | bryan_ | ok. |
| 18:50.29 | siggraph | it also works on linux |
| 18:50.32 | bryan_ | well what is it? |
| 18:50.37 | siggraph | doesn't work on os x yet (minor issue) |
| 18:50.58 | bryan_ | It throws errors including but not limited to can't find package blt |
| 18:51.01 | siggraph | it's basically the beginning of a new modeler, written using much of mged as a foundation |
| 18:51.14 | bryan_ | that's what i figured looking at the code |
| 18:51.17 | ``Erik | heh |
| 18:51.24 | bryan_ | but couldn't get it to run properly |
| 18:51.24 | siggraph | yeah, the package search for blt is not working right, have to manually set some things for it to find blt |
| 18:51.34 | bryan_ | hmm |
| 18:51.45 | bryan_ | I have installed blt, but have no experience with tcl |
| 18:51.52 | siggraph | basically, if you're at all familiar with mged, it's mged with an interface that sucks less *ss |
| 18:51.57 | bryan_ | how does one set this up to work? |
| 18:52.08 | bryan_ | i was hoping that was what it was |
| 18:52.15 | siggraph | howdy ``Erik .. guess where i'm at :) |
| 18:52.24 | bryan_ | I have been kisking around the idea of writing such a thing |
| 18:52.27 | bryan_ | kicking |
| 18:52.42 | siggraph | ahh |
| 18:53.07 | bryan_ | i have used proe, soliddge, unigraphics, solidworks, etc and they are all getting nice GUIs |
| 18:53.13 | ``Erik | bitch |
| 18:53.41 | siggraph | it's not exactly simple to explain how to get it working beyond "it's not ready for linux just quite yet (couple days/weeks)" .. otherwise it's a matter of tcl search path configuration |
| 18:53.42 | bryan_ | and brlcad seems to be powerful, but about 5 years behing in the usability category |
| 18:53.50 | ``Erik | ohyeah, and kick lee in the butt for me, too |
| 18:53.52 | siggraph | heh 5 years |
| 18:53.55 | ``Erik | ass kickings for everyone. |
| 18:53.55 | siggraph | that's being generous |
| 18:54.14 | ``Erik | tim and chuck, too |
| 18:54.15 | ``Erik | yo |
| 18:54.17 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 18:54.20 | bryan_ | well it's about on par with proe 2000 so call it 7 years |
| 18:54.22 | ``Erik | I'm grousy and unhappy. |
| 18:54.24 | siggraph | ``Erik: I'll convery the information while I go bask in the hot tub.. hold on |
| 18:54.31 | ``Erik | ... |
| 18:54.33 | ``Erik | 'fucker |
| 18:54.35 | siggraph | hehe |
| 18:55.01 | siggraph | bryan_: yeah, the features are definitely there .. there's a solid 100+ manyears of development effort invested |
| 18:55.02 | ``Erik | :> |
| 18:55.04 | bryan_ | i'm new here, could I opt out of the ass kickings? |
| 18:55.16 | bryan_ | I can see that |
| 18:55.42 | bryan_ | I'm laid up with an achilles tear and I've been browsing the source for mged |
| 18:55.51 | siggraph | bryan_: he's just bitter because several of the devs are up at the annual ACM Siggraph conference and he's not |
| 18:55.59 | bryan_ | ah |
| 18:56.10 | bryan_ | well it beats being stuck on a sofa |
| 18:56.11 | siggraph | it's a rather fun conference to say the least |
| 18:56.17 | bryan_ | like I am |
| 18:56.23 | siggraph | heh |
| 18:56.29 | ``Erik | bryan: if you're not one of the few folk who get paychecks from teh same place as me, but DID get to go to siggraph this year, you are exempt. |
| 18:56.57 | bryan_ | so the tcl search paths ought to be explained on the tcl site? |
| 18:57.11 | ``Erik | fucking stupid motherfucking fucking goddamn fucking ... |
| 18:57.17 | ``Erik | mebbe next year I'll present there, hah. |
| 18:57.18 | ``Erik | :( |
| 18:57.20 | ``Erik | fuk |
| 18:57.23 | ``Erik | FUX |
| 18:57.39 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:57.49 | ``Erik | *pissed* |
| 18:57.58 | ``Erik | almost as much as the fucking bsdcan episode |
| 18:58.05 | ``Erik | oooohhhhh I was fucking pissed |
| 18:58.05 | siggraph | innovate that metaball, make it sweet, write a paper |
| 18:58.11 | ``Erik | that's the plan. |
| 18:58.28 | ``Erik | I've yet to find anything approaching a reasonable bounding sphere for a metaball. |
| 18:58.50 | siggraph | bryan_: yes, it is.. though I could probably condense it all if you wait a little bit for me to look at the code |
| 18:59.20 | siggraph | probably just a matter of copying the blt directory into a path that is already being searched will be the easiest |
| 18:59.32 | ``Erik | thanks for the book, btw... couldn't find a name in it... if ya do that, you probably should at LEAST slap a postit on it... |
| 18:59.32 | ``Erik | :) |
| 18:59.36 | bryan_ | i'll try that |
| 18:59.43 | ``Erik | otherwise, your library will dwindle ;) |
| 18:59.48 | siggraph | heh |
| 18:59.51 | siggraph | it's a great book |
| 19:00.05 | ``Erik | it's a tiny book, but it looks reasonably dense |
| 19:00.09 | siggraph | pretty dense on the math and sparse on the explanations, but good summary |
| 19:00.54 | ``Erik | I've had good math-heavy discussions with several math doctorates recently, if I NEED help groking the math, I have people to lean on :) |
| 19:00.59 | siggraph | plus it's got everything in context with the "big picture", so you can see what else has been done |
| 19:01.26 | siggraph | how metaballs relate to blending in general for example |
| 19:01.35 | ``Erik | the latest wench happens to irc as well and intro'd me to a math phd whom I chattered with at lenght, he's "bored" and looking for mental exercises, heh |
| 19:01.51 | ``Erik | (the latest wench is finishing up a masters in math, to boot) |
| 19:02.06 | ``Erik | irritating that she's like 6mo younger than me and ahead of me on ed :/ |
| 19:02.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 19:16.50 | siggraph | bryan_: try "export ARCHER_HOME=/usr/brlcad" then run archer again |
| 19:16.55 | siggraph | that alone just might do the trick |
| 19:17.46 | ``Erik | hah... PROG_HOME is so... archaic. |
| 19:18.00 | bryan_ | ok |
| 19:18.21 | ``Erik | writing yesteryears software tomorrow. |
| 19:18.22 | ``Erik | :( |
| 19:19.12 | ``Erik | and seriously, dude, pimpslap lee for me :) the bitch is chillin' at fucking siggraph all glossyeyed and pimp promo shit, meanwhile the folk who could BENEFIT are sitting at home being grousy :D |
| 19:19.14 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 19:19.19 | bryan_ | nah still get the error message |
| 19:20.07 | ``Erik | is there anything in the paperwork on implicit surfaces? |
| 19:20.38 | ``Erik | I mean, the $1500 to send me there would probably save more than 10k of my time, hah. |
| 19:20.38 | ``Erik | :(* |
| 19:20.45 | ``Erik | *grouse* |
| 19:20.54 | ``Erik | stupid fucking gov't |
| 19:20.56 | ``Erik | *shakes fist** |
| 19:22.11 | ``Erik | <-- angry, and drinkin', so doubly angry :D |
| 19:26.05 | siggraph | evidently so |
| 19:26.21 | siggraph | (from the Siggraph Store) |
| 19:26.31 | ``Erik | 1heh |
| 19:26.33 | siggraph | bryan_: hrmph |
| 19:26.59 | ``Erik | do the pills have a fancy crescent and say 'S06' on 'em? |
| 19:27.01 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 19:27.04 | siggraph | bryan_: what does this report: find /usr/brlcad -type d -name blt2.4 |
| 19:27.25 | ``Erik | if the fucking wench wasn't gone to go to a wedding, I'd be breaking the bitch to try to calm down some. |
| 19:27.30 | ``Erik | *grouse* |
| 19:27.32 | siggraph | nah, that was last years, this years is silver |
| 19:27.39 | bryan_ | /usr/brlcad/lib/blt2.4 |
| 19:27.47 | ``Erik | just plain silver? no "06"? |
| 19:27.58 | bryan_ | sig, how do I send pm's in irc? |
| 19:27.59 | siggraph | says boston06 |
| 19:28.09 | siggraph | bryan_: /msg siggraph message |
| 19:28.14 | bryan_ | danke |
| 19:28.16 | ``Erik | bryan: /msg username msg |
| 19:28.18 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:28.43 | siggraph | too slow drunky |
| 19:28.51 | ``Erik | and this net sucks, so if the person you want to message hasn't done something special, you need to be 'registered'... |
| 19:28.58 | ``Erik | good thing mr sean has 'done something special' |
| 19:29.12 | ``Erik | drunky? why, I oughta smack the shit outta you :D |
| 19:29.32 | siggraph | i'll sit by the pool waiting |
| 19:29.44 | siggraph | with my martini |
| 19:30.05 | siggraph | actually.. i could go for a mojito |
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| 21:30.56 | IriX64 | hecklers back :) |
| 21:32.48 | IriX64 | you know ./mged -c mode. |
| 21:36.21 | siggraph | IriX64: 'tops' will give a list of geometry -- 'e object' will display "object" |
| 21:47.01 | ``Erik | -c is awesome |
| 21:47.21 | ``Erik | did you 'attach' a display type? |
| 21:47.25 | ``Erik | like, X or gl? |
| 21:47.45 | ``Erik | <-- usually says "nu" when starting in -c, but has different intentions for using the thing |
| 21:49.20 | IriX64 | nu |
| 21:49.26 | siggraph | then type gui |
| 21:49.35 | IriX64 | thankyou. |
| 21:50.07 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/ (COPYING INSTALL include/machine.h src/libbu/parallel.c): changes to support Intel Mac parallel code |
| 21:50.20 | ``Erik | oh shit, what did he break now |
| 21:50.55 | IriX64 | dm_bestXtype invalid command name. |
| 21:51.15 | siggraph | well for starters, he blew away COPYING and INSTALL |
| 21:53.12 | ``Erik | sean, you have my permission to walk over and backhand him as hard as you can. :D |
| 21:57.10 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/INSTALL: revert -- I doubt these changes support the intel mac parallel code.. careful not to commit INSTALL as it is often automatically overwritten by automake |
| 21:57.40 | ``Erik | *snicker* |
| 21:57.54 | ``Erik | that's a very polite and civil way to phrase it :D |
| 21:57.56 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/COPYING: revert -- I doubt these changes support the intel mac parallel code.. careful not to commit COPYING as it is often automatically overwritten by automake |
| 22:36.58 | IriX64 | $ aclocal |
| 22:36.58 | IriX64 | S |
| 22:36.58 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.58 | IriX64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.59 | IriX64 | I |
| 22:36.59 | IriX64 | IBMCRYPT |
| 22:37.01 | IriX64 | IBGCRYPT |
| 22:37.03 | IriX64 | T2 |
| 22:37.05 | IriX64 | NIT |
| 22:37.07 | IriX64 | aclocal:configure.ac:2765: warning: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library |
| 22:40.06 | IriX64 | checking whether dependency tracking should be enabled... no |
| 22:40.07 | IriX64 | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c |
| 22:40.07 | IriX64 | checking whether build environment is sane... yes |
| 22:40.07 | IriX64 | checking for gawk... gawk |
| 22:40.07 | IriX64 | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes |
| 22:40.07 | IriX64 | checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no |
| 22:40.09 | IriX64 | ./configure: line 2271: syntax error near unexpected token `COPYING' |
| 22:40.11 | IriX64 | ./configure: line 2271: `BC_RESTORE_CLOBBERED(COPYING INSTALL, misc)' |
| 22:40.13 | IriX64 | IriX64@hagarsfi-f038a0 ~/brlcad-10.0.0 |
| 22:40.59 | IriX64 | autoconf autoheader automake produced no warnings or erros. |
| 22:41.07 | IriX64 | errors too. |
| 22:41.46 | IriX64 | and don't tell me to fix it :) |
| 22:42.18 | IriX64 | time to refresh my code tree i guess. |
| 22:45.33 | IriX64 | fixed... the easy way, i leave the real work to you :) |
| 22:46.05 | IriX64 | don't ignore it, it won't go away. :) |
| 22:57.36 | IriX64 | maybe should be AM_PATH_TO_SDL ? :) |
| 23:00.02 | IriX64 | not it. |
| 23:05.53 | IriX64 | dnl works *shrug* |