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| 10:23.36 | matt_ezeki_230 | hi... I'm here again because I keep on having problems with "clone <obj>" command |
| 10:23.45 | matt_ezeki_230 | let me provide a simple mged session which expose the issue: |
| 10:23.53 | matt_ezeki_230 | $ mged test.g |
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| 10:24.09 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> in a.s rcc 0 0 -2 0 0 4 1 |
| 10:24.15 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> in b.s rcc 0 -2 0 0 4 0 1 |
| 10:24.46 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> r rab.r u a.s u b.s |
| 10:24.53 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> clone -n 1 rab.r |
| 10:25.01 | matt_ezeki_230 | db_read(test.g) ERROR offset=424, count=10240, dbi_oef=504 |
| 10:25.11 | matt_ezeki_230 | ERROR: clone internal error, cannot find rab.r for editing |
| 10:25.17 | matt_ezeki_230 | Database read error, aborting |
| 10:25.30 | matt_ezeki_230 | ...but if I list the objects in database... |
| 10:25.40 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> ls -l |
| 10:25.45 | matt_ezeki_230 | a.s tgc12160 |
| 10:25.50 | matt_ezeki_230 | b.s tgc12160 |
| 10:25.54 | matt_ezeki_230 | rab.r region1 31 80 |
| 10:26.07 | matt_ezeki_230 | ...and... |
| 10:26.17 | matt_ezeki_230 | mged> l rab.r |
| 10:26.22 | matt_ezeki_230 | rab.r: REGION id=1000 (air=0, los=100, GIFTmater=1) -- |
| 10:26.27 | matt_ezeki_230 | u a.s |
| 10:26.32 | matt_ezeki_230 | u b.s |
| 10:26.44 | matt_ezeki_230 | ...I hope someone could help me to solve this issue... |
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| 13:25.18 | siggraph | matt_ezeki_230: clone does not yet work on db 5 databases.. I should have disabeled it, but unintentionally left it enabled for the past release |
| 13:27.17 | siggraph | TechNeck: it certainly doesn't replace autocad out of the box, but we also certainly could fill in the missing pieces with development |
| 13:27.29 | siggraph | we're mostly at a lack of dev hands, not ideas or plans ;) |
| 13:28.15 | clock_ | siggraph: like everybody |
| 13:28.38 | siggraph | to some extents |
| 13:28.59 | siggraph | some projects I've worked on are actually at a sweet spot of developer activity |
| 13:29.35 | siggraph | 5 or 6 active devs is pretty ideal if they are globally distributed, a few more if you can all get together more consistently |
| 13:30.23 | siggraph | (and by active, I mean very active.. fully invested in development) |
| 13:31.15 | siggraph | matt_ezeki_230: basically, you'll need to use the Pattern tool (on the Tools menu) instead of the clone command for now |
| 13:32.20 | siggraph | TechNeck: you have an extrusion that is crashing? I'd be interested in knowing what steps you took that caused it.. |
| 13:40.33 | matt_ezeki_230 | siggraph: ok! It works! many thanks :-) |
| 13:41.57 | ``Erik | damn shootray is one bigassed function |
| 13:43.50 | clock_ | ``Erik: I say ass so wide one could project 20 widescreen movies on it |
| 13:49.06 | ``Erik | iiiiiinteresting |
| 13:49.35 | clock_ | ``Erik: Especially in connection with women. My sexual subsystem is not particularly tuned to women and their wide asses ;-) |
| 13:54.02 | archivist | more that a handfull and the rest goes to waste |
| 13:54.13 | archivist | that=than |
| 13:55.37 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * 10brlcad/src/gtools/g_transfer.c: Corrected the compile instructions |
| 13:58.42 | matt_ezeki_230 | siggraph: only a last question... I choose tab named "rectangular", depth of duplication = primitives, source string = rab, replacement string = k1, objects = rab.r and I obtained a cloned region k1.r builded with primitives a.s_1 and b.s_1. Is there a way to obtain k1.r builded with primitives k1_a.s (instead of a.s_1) and k1_b.s (instead of b.s_1) **in a straight manner** (e.i without to use command "mvall" to rename them |
| 13:58.42 | matt_ezeki_230 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.57 | siggraph | hmmm |
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| 17:25.05 | IriX64 | who is peer, and why is he always resetting my connection. :) |
| 17:34.24 | IriX64 | you people must be very very busy, I would hate to have your jobs. :) |
| 17:58.38 | siggraph | IriX64: always very very busy, but I actually rather enjoy my job :) |
| 17:59.26 | siggraph | though enjoying one's job is almost entirely just a state of mind, personal tolerance, and values |
| 18:01.00 | IriX64 | thought it was a matter of payola ;) |
| 18:01.44 | IriX64 | must admit enough payola contributes greatly to the enjoment of one job. :) |
| 18:01.56 | IriX64 | enjoyment too. |
| 18:03.28 | siggraph | nah |
| 18:03.40 | IriX64 | heh ok. |
| 18:03.52 | siggraph | i'd work for a heck of a lot less if someone bought me my toys and kept me fed |
| 18:04.20 | IriX64 | agreed feel the same way. |
| 18:04.28 | siggraph | that just gets back to tolerance and values.. some value the pay and not the work |
| 18:04.50 | IriX64 | true way too much importance is attached to dollars. |
| 18:06.20 | ``Erik | money is a means, not an end... |
| 18:06.36 | IriX64 | if it was an end i could quit work. |
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| 18:06.56 | archivist | not enough money == not enough toys (my current situation) |
| 18:07.10 | ``Erik | buy cheaper toys? |
| 18:07.18 | ``Erik | you can do some gnarly stuff with 74xx ttl's |
| 18:07.59 | IriX64 | quick i just threw you a 7404 what did you do with it? :) |
| 18:08.12 | ``Erik | stick it up my nose |
| 18:08.18 | archivist | I collect free toys others throw away |
| 18:08.31 | IriX64 | erik there 3 othe pices. |
| 18:08.38 | ``Erik | without some kinda board, wiring, solder, i/o devices, etc... that's about what it's good forr |
| 18:08.57 | IriX64 | name a toy. |
| 18:09.27 | IriX64 | trs80? |
| 18:09.32 | archivist | HP 1631D logic analyser |
| 18:09.43 | IriX64 | thats hp 16540 |
| 18:10.10 | IriX64 | analyzer :) |
| 18:10.28 | IriX64 | ermf anal izer :) |
| 18:11.59 | ``Erik | or mebbe an oh40 for the onboard fpu |
| 18:12.22 | IriX64 | man that an sx chip. |
| 18:12.58 | IriX64 | wonder if i can support the amdahl? |
| 18:14.25 | IriX64 | those guys are tight lipped about their instuction set (unless you're a customer) |
| 18:14.33 | ``Erik | erm... |
| 18:14.44 | ``Erik | the motorola 68030 is a very old, open, and widely known chip... |
| 18:14.58 | ``Erik | not TOO long ago, they'd send you free opcode and schematic books |
| 18:15.00 | IriX64 | thought that was the m68000 |
| 18:15.16 | ``Erik | the whole 68k line |
| 18:15.32 | IriX64 | mmm pdp11 on a chip that one i know. |
| 18:15.38 | ``Erik | 030 added an onboard mmu, 040 added an onboard fpu... |
| 18:16.41 | archivist | I have a few motorolas in my cpu collection some on the original boards |
| 18:17.02 | IriX64 | 12737 301 777566 ===> mov the number following this instruction to the address following that number, nowq whats it doing? |
| 18:17.47 | IriX64 | prints a capital a on the console typer :) |
| 18:19.58 | IriX64 | must go buy a case of sandwiches, be back in a bit. |
| 18:49.30 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/machine.h: adding {free,open,net}bsd to the ugly hackery |
| 19:53.55 | ``Erik | siggraph: ap->a_onehit intends for only the very first 'in' (assuming you start 'out') hit to be used? |
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| 20:05.49 | siggraph | ``Erik: pretty much |
| 20:06.11 | ``Erik | erm... "pretty much"? |
| 20:06.28 | siggraph | it computes the first hitpoint along a ray |
| 20:07.12 | ``Erik | a lot of primitives go ahead and do the first and second hitpoints... in and out... :/ |
| 20:07.16 | siggraph | and instead of progressing the ray more, it halts |
| 20:08.32 | ``Erik | of course, a lot of primitives get that for free :) |
| 20:09.15 | siggraph | yes, some do.. and they probably shouldn't |
| 20:09.20 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/bool.c: don't complain about an inside-out primitive when 'out' is unset and a_onehit is set |
| 20:09.24 | siggraph | but is generally already computed information |
| 20:12.25 | siggraph | hmm.. i'm not sure that is valid |
| 20:12.54 | ``Erik | why not? |
| 20:14.03 | siggraph | a_onehit serves multiple purposes |
| 20:14.28 | siggraph | if a_onehit == 1, then it should be only the first in point if I read the comments correctly |
| 20:14.42 | siggraph | value of 2 would be the first entry/exit pair |
| 20:14.49 | ``Erik | meh, the manpage is off? |
| 20:15.12 | siggraph | which manpage? |
| 20:15.27 | ``Erik | librt |
| 20:15.39 | siggraph | read src/librt/bool.c's comment |
| 20:15.47 | ``Erik | makes it sound like a boolean, not a count |
| 20:16.11 | siggraph | for 'rt', it's used as a boolean |
| 20:19.40 | ``Erik | 'k, taken care of |
| 20:24.00 | siggraph | should update NEWS when you make changes like machine.h .. that fixes crashing problems if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:24.09 | siggraph | no? |
| 20:24.32 | ``Erik | nope |
| 20:24.50 | ``Erik | the default stuff worked on bsd, it just didn't go parallel by default |
| 20:25.38 | siggraph | not even the 64bit addage? |
| 20:26.59 | ``Erik | ooh |
| 20:27.01 | ``Erik | shit |
| 20:27.56 | ``Erik | gnarly |
| 20:28.01 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/NEWS: added note about the machine.h changes |
| 20:28.58 | siggraph | heh, bzzt |
| 20:29.13 | siggraph | user-visible changes dude |
| 20:29.59 | siggraph | it's also a stack |
| 20:30.10 | siggraph | and one-line per entry |
| 20:30.10 | ``Erik | meh |
| 20:30.12 | siggraph | sheesh |
| 20:30.28 | ``Erik | heh, is it one line, or 80? |
| 20:31.26 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: improved FreeBSD 64bit support, fix AMD64 crash |
| 20:31.40 | ``Erik | gheh |
| 20:31.43 | ``Erik | bastage |
| 20:32.01 | siggraph | one line per user-visible change, less than 70 chars per line .. just like the file says.. |
| 20:32.08 | ``Erik | <-- fixes his own mistakes o.O |
| 20:32.49 | ``Erik | heh, and allowing parallel tracing isn't worthy? :) |
| 20:33.19 | ``Erik | <-- did it to set PARALLEL, fixing that bool bug on amd64 was a pleasant surprise... |
| 20:33.41 | siggraph | which bool bug on amd64? |
| 20:33.45 | siggraph | the havoc crash? |
| 20:33.53 | ``Erik | yes, that I'm about to close in the tracker |
| 20:34.21 | siggraph | heh, forgot all about checking the BITV length |
| 20:34.56 | siggraph | that stupid int needs to be provided by configure |
| 20:35.11 | ``Erik | several things do, machine.h should go away |
| 20:35.18 | ``Erik | imho. |
| 20:42.39 | siggraph | it should |
| 20:42.54 | siggraph | that's just a rather big undertaking to fully realize |
| 20:43.10 | siggraph | i've started on some of the pieces here, started some of it on the train |
| 20:44.06 | siggraph | each change impacts several hundred files often in non-scriptable ways |
| 20:44.54 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 20:45.52 | siggraph | finally got tkCanvBezier separated from libtk |
| 20:47.18 | siggraph | what's amazing is that non-debug worked without setting the correct BITV length |
| 20:47.24 | siggraph | it should have crashed |
| 20:48.43 | siggraph | implies something wierd like non-debug is using 32 bit ints under the hood or something similar |
| 20:48.48 | ``Erik | aight, if a_onehit means 'number of hits to compute, or all if 0', what's a negative value mean? |
| 20:49.09 | siggraph | the comment talks about < 0 |
| 20:49.16 | siggraph | or at least shoot.c does iirc |
| 20:49.31 | siggraph | basically indicates whether to count air |
| 20:49.57 | ``Erik | *read* |
| 20:54.21 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: minor comment about keeping docs up to date, communicating changes |
| 20:59.34 | ``Erik | <-- goes home O.o |
| 20:59.53 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_metaball.c: Implemented rt_metaball_class. Fixed a_onehit handling in rt_metaball_shot. |
| 21:00.47 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: forgot to mention that this fixes sf bug #1469502: FreeBSD6/amd64 rt segfault when optimization enabled |
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| 21:50.34 | Open2000 | hello, i want to try brl-cad for windows, where i should start? |
| 22:03.19 | bjorkBSD | Ухожу я от вас |
| 22:03.23 | bjorkBSD | he put a hex on you folks ^ |
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