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| 05:56.34 | bjorkBSD | so i've drawn a few boxes and toruses and one or two other things so far. |
| 05:56.42 | bjorkBSD | applaud me! :D |
| 06:32.33 | bjorkBSD | ... or not :| |
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| 06:56.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:09.32 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/header.sh: remove the abort if the first line isn't detected. instead just warn and apply the header. also, add prefix to case for portability and empty argument matching. |
| 08:10.58 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: tessellation of some pipe in toyjeep.g fails (rather reliably) on a bend |
| 08:11.35 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: add c-indentation-style to emacs variable block, setting to k&r or something more appropriate than the gnu default (see c-set-style). |
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| 17:30.02 | ``Erik | $ cvs commit -m 'linux is for retards' |
| 17:30.04 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 17:32.11 | ``Erik | I think I may have librt working in the framework today... that'd be nifty.. adrt shortly after. and since I removed the offending source, I can just give it to you when it's done, instead of going through the public release procedure |
| 17:47.10 | Maloeran | cvs commit -m 'OSX threading and memory management are abominable' |
| 17:48.23 | Maloeran | I'll add single-ray non-threaded tracing functions when I get that source, since there's no other way |
| 18:02.02 | ``Erik | I'm under the impression that some osX syscalls are ugly performers due to mach microkernel message passing... |
| 18:05.17 | ``Erik | (also; osX uses phkmalloc(), not dl-malloc) |
| 18:30.00 | Maloeran | I think the fact that the routing system and codes are completely different is being understood |
| 18:33.07 | Maloeran | I find myself pondering about Intel's latest Xeons, the Core2 architecture ; though it's limited to 2 sockets per motherboard |
| 18:46.22 | ``Erik | are mark and/or tony informed of the difficulties? |
| 18:48.27 | ``Erik | (librt results being curried back and performance monitoring is in place... nifty.. oddly enough, single threaded, fbsd/amd64 2.0ghz is 120krps and linux/ia32 2.0ghz is 34.7krps) |
| 18:56.49 | Maloeran | Are you comparing an Opteron with a Pentium 4? |
| 18:57.08 | ``Erik | opteron and xeon |
| 18:57.22 | ``Erik | p4-xeon |
| 18:57.23 | Maloeran | They aren't informed, but I think they'll make this work eventually. I'm just amused from the fact they never knew canadian banks worked differently |
| 18:57.43 | Maloeran | Well sure, that's a crappy chip in comparison to an Opteron |
| 18:57.45 | ``Erik | they're not an international company... :D |
| 19:00.11 | Maloeran | Oh well, it's just impatient for I'll order some nice hardware as soon as it's received |
| 19:10.50 | Maloeran | I'm* just |
| 19:15.55 | ``Erik | heh, stupid canucks, doing everything bass ackwards ;) |
| 19:18.00 | Maloeran | Tsk, how could you ever buy a Pentium 4 ; the old Athlons were already better back then |
| 19:19.14 | Maloeran | Unless it was forced on you by management, I had assumed you had a word to say on the hardware you receive |
| 19:19.37 | ``Erik | it was here when I got here |
| 19:19.45 | ``Erik | and it had "dell" stamped on the case (it's a rack mount thingy) |
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| 19:46.18 | dtidrow_work | brlcad: you around? |
| 19:47.04 | brlcad | nope |
| 19:47.09 | dtidrow_work | heh |
| 20:39.30 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/comgeom/cvt.c: should be using bu_getopt and friends |
| 20:57.33 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/bu.h: update comment, USE_PROTOTYPES is set in configure, not machine.h |
| 21:01.46 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/canon/canonize.1: consistency on BRL-CAD where not technically problematic, s/BRLCAD/BRL-CAD/ |
| 21:39.22 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/iges/iges.c: more BRL-CAD name consistency. allow BRLCAD or BRL-CAD in the attribute string. |
| 21:40.00 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/jack/ (g-jack.c jack-g.c): use libbu getopt |
| 21:40.48 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (10 files in 4 dirs): consistency on BRL-CAD name use, s/BRLCAD/BRL-CAD/ |
| 22:03.07 | Maloeran | http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/index.php - Some conference in Montreal in May, do you guys want to come over here for a change? :) |
| 22:03.39 | Maloeran | Perhaps not quite on topics that concern BRL-CAD though |
| 22:04.15 | ``Erik | sounds like it'll be a bunch of french faggots |
| 22:04.16 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:04.33 | ``Erik | <-- might be in ottawa may 18-19 |
| 22:04.39 | ``Erik | http://www.bsdcan.org/2007/ |
| 22:05.50 | Maloeran | Tsk Ottawa, come try some of Montreal's restaurants |
| 22:07.49 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:08.04 | ``Erik | the hotel+travel thing mentions hitting montreal by air, then training to ottawa |
| 22:08.28 | ``Erik | unfortunately, it's after your contract is completed, so I can't use it as an excuse to "meet" |
| 22:08.30 | ``Erik | :) |
| 22:09.07 | Maloeran | We can use it as an excuse to... present Rayforce or something, perhaps a future piece of Blender |
| 22:10.52 | Maloeran | On a related topic, Mark asked if other contracts were planned or if they could put me on their fire simulation |
| 22:10.57 | ``Erik | blender isn't on the radar with the pointy hairs |
| 22:11.21 | ``Erik | I don't know.. I think the current posture is "we want to use him, we don't know for what right now" |
| 22:11.36 | ``Erik | send me an email at my work addy to remind me and I'll make noise about it |
| 22:11.42 | ``Erik | erikg@arl.army.mil |
| 22:11.46 | ``Erik | <-- home right now ;) |
| 22:12.04 | Maloeran | All right. The fire simulation looks fun to play with, but the project's team seems... weird so far |
| 22:12.39 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:13.01 | Maloeran | From what I have seen so far, a bunch of engineers writing Fortran77 code, without any real programming skills |
| 22:13.27 | ``Erik | <-- has no binding authority and those with it rarely notify him, is in the dark |
| 22:13.35 | ``Erik | yes, actually |
| 22:13.35 | ``Erik | a bit worse |
| 22:14.49 | ``Erik | from what I gleaned off of mark when we were sitting there, there was a fortran coder who write it in floortrash IV, some dudes (engineer types, no cs background either by education or experience) who really don't know coding hacked it until it worked in a f77 compiler, and other people |
| 22:15.02 | ``Erik | (again, engineer types) get told to "make it do something new" every once in a while |
| 22:15.45 | Maloeran | Yes, that's about it. They asked 25-50 words on my ideas to rewrite the whole thing, they received about 2000 words |
| 22:15.53 | ``Erik | typically, that kinda coder has a basic handle on something as complex as, say, a linked list... but not much more |
| 22:16.16 | Maloeran | And I really lost on the way... I received questions like "Which is faster, equations or look-up tables?" without any background or context |
| 22:16.26 | Maloeran | really lost them* on the way |
| 22:16.36 | Maloeran | Ahaha |
| 22:17.02 | ``Erik | (and I consider a method to be a function... that's how the machine sees it) |
| 22:17.42 | ``Erik | to use java mangling, path$to$class$method() (far less horrible than, say, c++ mangling) |
| 22:17.43 | Maloeran | Mark undertands code better than they do, he's the only one who was able to write meaningful feedback on the 2000 words summary |
| 22:18.00 | ``Erik | there're some people at survice who know their shit |
| 22:18.10 | Maloeran | I think Mark is great as a manager, really |
| 22:18.13 | ``Erik | and there're some who don't... and that is everywhere |
| 22:18.32 | ``Erik | yeah, tony seems like a decent guy, the switch isn't gonna really jack anyone, I don't think |
| 22:19.20 | ``Erik | probably the most impressive thing about mark isn't his technical aptitude, but his ability to get the hell out of the way when the topic goes beyond him |
| 22:19.56 | ``Erik | good guy, hope he likes his new position :) |
| 22:20.26 | Maloeran | I'm apparently sticking to Mark as manager, I think he prefered to keep it that way |
| 22:20.34 | ``Erik | his replacement seems to exhibit the same ability, as well as a very tech based candor |
| 22:20.40 | ``Erik | huh |
| 22:20.42 | ``Erik | aight |
| 22:20.51 | ``Erik | he's moving south, though |
| 22:20.55 | Maloeran | Example of feedback from the engineers, about SSE-packed data storage and processing : "In you latest epistle, you mentioned grouping the grid-cells in 'packages' of four. Since a cube has 6 sides, why not in groups of 6, one for each face? " |
| 22:21.05 | Maloeran | Right, I know |
| 22:21.15 | ``Erik | I spoze that really doesn't matter if you're working on non-arl stuff |
| 22:21.35 | Maloeran | I can't see how could one organize the cells of a region in groups of 6 to match the faces of cubes! It can't be done! |
| 22:21.35 | ``Erik | less rural down there, if/when ya move, I spoze :) |
| 22:22.14 | ``Erik | ah,yes... the snow.. the ice... the car doors... pleasant living... :D *duck* |
| 22:22.37 | Maloeran | Oh, especially the car doors :) |
| 22:29.26 | Maloeran | I really wonder what this fortran code will look like, do you have any clue on how big it is? |
| 22:29.46 | Maloeran | I just wonder if it might be possible to rewrite it all in a short time frame |
| 22:29.55 | ``Erik | well |
| 22:29.59 | ``Erik | if it falls int he same pattern |
| 22:30.20 | ``Erik | 90-95% is superfluous |
| 22:30.20 | ``Erik | if documentation exists, it's wrong |
| 22:30.25 | Maloeran | I have heard there is a function with 150 parameters in it |
| 22:30.31 | ``Erik | and it'll either make your eyes bleed |
| 22:30.35 | ``Erik | or go insane |
| 22:30.38 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:30.40 | Maloeran | Cool! :) |
| 22:31.01 | ``Erik | <-- was insane before he started doing paid work, so just gets the bleeding eyes things |
| 22:31.11 | Maloeran | As long as I can rewrite it all from scratch, I don't think I really mind ; but I wonder if I'll have time |
| 22:40.25 | brlcad | Maloeran: seems like a rather tiny conference |
| 22:40.42 | brlcad | mildly interesting, but it's on the periphery |
| 22:43.34 | Maloeran | Yes, I'll probably have a look because it's 15 minutes away, but I wasn't seriously expecting you guys to come |
| 22:45.10 | brlcad | feel free to pimp up brl-cad ;) |
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| 23:34.18 | ``Erik | and let us know how many people show up and how 'useful' it is :) |
| 23:38.34 | brlcad | looks like about 40-60 showed up last year |
| 23:40.48 | Maloeran | Ahah |
| 23:43.53 | Maloeran | Where did you see that, brlcad? |
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