IRC log for #brlcad on 20070413

00:41.14IriX64checkit :)
00:47.56IriX64checkit again, that m35 is courtesy my weird little system .
00:58.27IriX64rtedge is on the blog, ill vanish for a while now :)
01:01.00IriX64don't get to excited though you still require an X-server
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02:07.42IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/437495    <--- is that compilation number your doing? or do i have a mite here?
02:10.58poolioIriX64: is it svn?
02:11.04poolioor cvs or whatnot
02:11.14IriX64source tarball
02:11.34poolioIn that case it sounds like something on their end. if they're using some sort of revision system it should keep track of the compiling similar to the Linux kernel
02:11.58IriX64the rest make sens 4 compilations
02:12.04IriX64sense too
02:25.19IriX64poolio see  -----> http://www.pastebin.ca/437519
02:28.36poolioso the raytracer has had a lot of work ;)
02:29.08IriX64nothing that would affect you, i have strangebrew for a system ;)
02:30.20IriX64sigh im so dense poolio you're right of course :)
02:31.15poolioI'm probably not right, and I've no clue as to your density... :P
02:31.26IriX64brick :)
02:31.35IriX64err maybe post :)
02:31.41pooliothat's not all that dense.
02:31.51IriX64:)
03:10.30IriX64not that dense eh? see what I did to myself here poolio  ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/437587
03:16.53pooliomeh. windows makes everything look ugly. i'm off to sleep, gnite.
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15:21.52CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (NEWS README configure.ac include/config_win.h): bump to 7.10.1
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15:45.46rafa_i install brlcad in ubuntu
15:45.50rafa_and now?
15:45.55rafa_how start?
15:50.22rafa_please
15:51.38clock_rafa_: download http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ronja.g
15:51.41clock_rafa_: run mged ronja.g
15:51.48clock_type B ronja
15:51.56clock_then go to File -> Raytrace and raytrace it
15:52.56rafa_?
15:53.33clock_.
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15:53.34rafa_run in terminal
15:53.35rafa_$ meged?
15:54.22sisplauhi
15:54.28rafa_hi
15:54.40sisplauspanish?
15:54.48rafa_yes
15:54.51sisplauhola
15:54.52rafa_como vaz
15:54.56rafa_hola
15:54.59sisplauhe instalado este programa
15:55.02sisplaupero no se ejecutarlo
15:55.31sisplauno crea icono
15:55.44sisplauy no se que comando debo poner en la consola
15:56.00rafa_amigo joi tambem
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl:
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: Finally isolated the problem where certain operations in the mged command window
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: will result in the input prompt getting in front of 'mged>' prompt. the problem
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: turns out to be various default scrolling text widget bindings that modify the
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: cursor input position. there's a whole list of such bindings, but without
15:56.02CIA-14BRL-CAD: testing this update just lists them and overrides the two that were obvious
15:56.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: (page up/down).
15:56.41rafa_how start brlcad?
15:56.45clock_brlcad: the website is confusiong. According to "latest news", the latest version is 7.8.0 which is long time not true
15:56.49clock_rafa_: mged
15:56.54rafa_no
15:57.26rafa_terminal returns:
15:57.29rafa_comand not found
15:57.33sisplauhttp://www.brlcad.org/overview.html <- overview
15:58.03rafa_in my sisten no mged
15:58.12sisplausystem
15:58.23rafa_i install package off SourceForge
15:58.37clock_sisters of mercy
15:58.41rafa_brlcad-7.8.4.deb
15:59.10rafa_sistem of mercy?
15:59.20rafa_sister
15:59.21rafa_?
15:59.24rafa_watt
15:59.28``Erikyou probably have to add a special path
15:59.41``Eriklike, if you're using bash, export PATH=$PATH:/usr/brlcad/bin
16:00.00sisplauhow I can run the program?
16:00.05``Erikthen you can do something like "mged /usr/brlcad/share/7.10.0/db/moss.g"
16:00.33rafa_brlcad as instaled in my sistem  in :
16:00.42rafa_/usr/brlcad
16:01.03``Erikok, then you'll have a /usr/brlcad/bin directory with something around 400ish programs... the one you probably want first is mged
16:01.29rafa_mged no in bin
16:01.37rafa_and no in my systen
16:01.47``Erikum, then ya don't have BRL-CAD installed? :)
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (NEWS BUGS):
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: Finally isolated the problem where certain operations in the mged command window
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: will result in the input prompt getting in front of 'mged>' prompt. the problem
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: turns out to be various default scrolling text widget bindings that modify the
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: cursor input position, including page up/down. fix is simple, just do the same
16:02.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: binding operation but don't move the cursor.
16:02.34rafa_i intaled package off sourceforge
16:02.34rafa_package.deb
16:02.34rafa_brlcad-7.8.4.deb
16:02.54clock_rafa_: then the .deb package is probably crap
16:02.54sisplau$ /usr/brlcad/bin/mged  works
16:03.10clock_rafa_: uninstall it and install the BRL-CAD from sources
16:03.10sisplaurafa_ abres terminal y pones ~$ /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:03.17clock_rafa_: and complain to the Debian developers that they made crap
16:03.28``Erikyou should have /usr/brlcad/bin in your path before running mged
16:03.30rafa_amigo sisplau:
16:03.38rafa_no has este diretorio
16:03.43``Erikmged will attempt to run binaries to do things, and those need to be in the path
16:03.50sisplaurafa_ abres terminal y pones /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:04.03clock_``Erik: Debian has to produce a .deb file that works after being installed
16:04.13``Erikno shit, clock? :D
16:04.44clock_A typical example when an unauthorized person between the user and the developer tries to tamper with a readily packaged technology
16:04.54rafa_please one moment
16:04.59clock_In this cause a Debian developer tampered
16:05.01``Erikof course, debian may have chosen another place to put it... /usr/brlcad is just the default... my fbsd packages put it in /usr/local/brlcad with an mged.sh in /usr/local/bin that pedro put together
16:07.33clock_``Erik: then the package after installing has to change the system PATH and make sure it's in effect
16:07.33clock_``Erik: just those Debian incompetents didn't do their homework properly
16:07.33``Erikheh, :) *pets fbsd*
16:07.33rafa_sorry meged found in my system
16:07.34rafa_:)
16:07.34rafa_but terminal returns it:
16:07.34clock_rafa_: but you don't want meged but mged
16:07.34docelicdebian developer "tampered" to make the package adhere to filesystem policy
16:07.34rafa_<PROTECTED>
16:07.34clock_but it stopped adhering to the functionality policy ;-)
16:07.34clock_rafa_: Debian has the libraries screwed up
16:07.34sisplaurafa_ ubuntu?
16:07.34clock_rafa_: tell them they should fix it
16:07.34rafa_i use ubuntu
16:07.35``Erikcompiling from source should "just work"
16:07.42clock_rafa_: ubuntu is a double layer of tampering
16:07.43clock_first the Debian incompetents tamper and then the Ubuntu ones
16:07.49``Erikjust have to wait the 10 minutes for a compile and install :)
16:07.53clock_a resul - program which doesn't even link, let alone run
16:08.01rafa_ok
16:08.05``Erikuse the source, luke!
16:08.05``Erik:D
16:08.18rafa_i download sourc
16:08.21sisplaui use ubuntu and it works
16:08.27clock_rafa_: don't use unauthorized products of third parties and use the official product - BRL-CAD sources
16:08.37rafa_ok
16:08.44rafa_amigo sisplau
16:08.51clock_sisplau: looks like Ubuntu sometimes works and sometimes not
16:08.53rafa_qual é a versao que usas
16:09.07``Erikhm, the bsd, irix, osX and solaris binaries are pretty 'official', in that they're compiled and packaged by either brlcad or myself
16:09.11sisplaui use ubuntu, debian, suse, fedora....
16:09.17clock_I came to a friend and he used "locate" on his Ubuntu and it persistently segfaulted :)
16:09.35clock_Ubuntu 1.2.3.4 Ultimately Unusable
16:09.39sisplauapt-get is the best
16:09.45``Erikredhat enterprise workstation 4 or openbsd are also ones we can effectively help out on
16:09.57``Erikor the sgi altix suse
16:10.18``Erikwhich obsd are you using? I have a 3.8 and a 4.0
16:10.27clock_4.0
16:10.41clock_Now I am gonna compile 7.10.0
16:10.43``Erikyou should make a port :D
16:11.02``ErikI would, but theo's too much of a cockbite
16:11.17sisplauclock_ what distribution you prefer?
16:11.18clock_For a port I need unstable system and that's impossible to switch back to stable
16:11.19rafa_how compile?
16:11.24rafa_./configure
16:11.26rafa_make
16:11.27rafa_and
16:11.28clock_and I have only one machine so they have bad luck with this port
16:11.32rafa_make install?
16:11.35clock_rafa_: make install?
16:11.45clock_elapsed configuration blah blah
16:11.46clock_make
16:12.07rafa_and make install
16:12.14rafa_or no?
16:12.25clock_rafa_: yes make install
16:12.26CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: clarify the distribution channels that need to be announced during release
16:12.34clock_;-)
16:12.40rafa_./configure prefix?
16:12.47deltazapbut, but, opennurbs....i know i make install'ed you!
16:12.51clock_I just type ./configure make make install
16:12.58rafa_ok
16:13.20clock_I want to see the button brl-cad added on my request
16:13.45clock_brl-cad, as opposed to unnamed projects like Linux or OpenBSD, reacts with improvement and bugfixes, instead of calling people idiots and trolls
16:13.47rafa_brlcad type solid works and inventor?
16:13.55rafa_is easy?
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16:14.58*** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/brlcad/brlcad || 7.10 is now released! .. e-mail announcements will follow posting of binary distributions
16:15.15rafa_how find on manual?
16:15.19rafa_tutorial?
16:15.22rafa_etc...
16:15.31``Erikhttp://brlcad.og
16:15.31``Erikorg
16:15.47rafa_amigo espanhol:
16:15.52rafa_etas ai?
16:15.59rafa_estas ai?
16:16.23clock_I am sure solid works have a special button to create thread
16:16.38clock_where you can select if you want withworth or Metric
16:17.24``Erikclock: write up a tcl function or a procdb and chuck it in the patches section and we'll have that, too :D
16:17.24sisplausi
16:17.34clock_and if you want left or right
16:17.34clock_and which manufacturer manufactured the bolt
16:17.34sisplauyou brazilian?
16:17.35clock_in which year
16:17.36clock_and the circumference of the manufacturer's grandfather penis
16:17.40clock_and it stamps you nice 5.8 or 8.8 on the head
16:17.42sisplauwhere do you come from?
16:17.46rafa_sim eu sou brasileiro
16:17.56sisplausamba!
16:17.59sisplauhahaha
16:18.00clock_Kaoma Lambada!
16:18.19rafa_no
16:18.19clock_macarena too?
16:18.19rafa_tche music!!!!
16:18.19sisplauhahaha
16:18.20deltazapclock_: girls aren't manufacturers silly!
16:18.22rafa_de ondes es
16:18.25sisplauspain
16:18.29sisplaubarcelona
16:18.36clock_Los Lobotomos - Macabrena
16:18.37deltazapwait, i read that wrong
16:18.40``Erikdeltazap: they're factories? :D
16:18.47rafa_Porto Alegre
16:18.52rafa_Rio Grande do Sul
16:19.32sisplauum prazer meu amigo
16:19.43sisplaudo you like futbol?
16:19.45rafa_ok
16:19.47rafa_yes
16:19.50sisplauhahah
16:19.54clock_everyone lying in the sand or surfing?
16:19.57sisplauronaldinho the best
16:19.58rafa_GREMIO!!!!!!!
16:20.10rafa_sim ele era do GREMIO
16:20.18sisplauok i konw
16:20.25sisplau*know
16:20.44rafa_friend sispalu do you use BrlCAD
16:20.52rafa_he is hard to know?
16:21.01clock_BRL-CAD doesn't it mean BRaziL-CAD?
16:21.07sisplaurafa run in the terminal window: /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:21.16rafa_no ok
16:21.22rafa_i download the source
16:21.28sisplauin my computer it works
16:21.40rafa_but my question is :
16:21.50rafa_BrlCAD is easy to use?
16:22.09rafa_is type off Inventor
16:22.16rafa_or SolidWorks?
16:22.20rafa_or Varicad?
16:22.25sisplaui don't know
16:22.29sisplaui'm novice
16:22.39rafa_is good software?
16:22.46sisplaui only want run the benchmark option
16:23.16sisplauis a good option for CAD in linux :/
16:23.19sisplaui think
16:23.31rafa_please one moment please
16:23.36rafa_i go eat
16:23.38sisplaurblender
16:23.41sisplaublender
16:23.41rafa_ok? :)
16:23.53sisplaueat? comer?
16:23.57sisplauhahaha
16:23.58rafa_sim
16:24.02``ErikBRL stands for "Ballistics Research Laboratory"
16:24.17``Erikit's a US product dating back to '79...
16:24.47sisplauI read it in wikipedia
16:25.56clock_It's US Army and M1A1 Abrams was made in it
16:26.05``Erik(I'd smack clock for misinformation, but I've done it myself, claiming mged was "Monstrosity of a Gui EDitor" O:-) )
16:26.29clock_``Erik: I misasked, didn't misinform :)
16:26.34deltazapso, when do i get a binary for osx? :-\
16:26.52clock_G. I. Joe U. S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory
16:27.04``Erikno, the m1a1 was built on drafting paper with pencils, but in pieces... the first time someone saw the thing assembled was using the seed that became BRL-CAD
16:27.05clock_if it doesn't work, you do some pushups and it's fine :)
16:27.27``Erikdeltazap: sf.net/projects/brlcad and click "download"... it's old, 7.6.6 ...
16:27.39deltazapi know, i've been using that version
16:27.51deltazapbut i cannot for the life of me get 7.10 to compile
16:27.55``Erikmaybe brlcad will make another pkg/dmg for 7.10
16:27.57clock_I guess people who are into army fetish must love brl-cad :)
16:28.00``Erikwhat's it do?
16:28.06deltazapi'm wishing for that
16:29.14deltazapit's still the same tcl error i've been getting
16:29.25clock_rafa_: brl-cad is quite easy to use, it's good for ordinary work like http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/
16:29.43clock_rafa_: I don't know how's solid works etc. maybe they can show you dimensions in the picture which brl-cad cannot
16:29.45``ErikI haven't gotten it to work with native tcl/tk, so my configure line is something like ./configure --enable-tcl-build --enable-tk-build
16:29.50deltazapi'm trying --enable-only-benchmark so that i can compile and test things right now
16:29.51clock_and brl-cad also cannot make 2d blueprints from the 3d
16:31.31deltazap``Erik: i've tried that, but it's not doing anything.  ./configure says that it's going to compile the version included
16:32.21``Erikdeltazap: can you paste the errors to a pastebin (like paste.lisp.org or rafb.net/paste ?)
16:32.32deltazapyeah, i will
16:39.15deltazapof course you say that after i started another attempt ;)
16:41.54``Erikwell, when ya get around to it *shrug*
16:42.17``ErikI'm building, too, so *shrug* these old g5's, while smoking, aren't quite the 8 core opterons I like working on
16:42.20clock_Should I remodel all the Ronja models with threaded fasteners?
16:42.38deltazapclock_: there's really no reason to
16:42.50sisplauciao
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16:43.38``Erikyou're not doing stress/strain/sheer analysis on 'em, right? is all that effort worth the visual effect?
16:45.25deltazaphttp://rafb.net/p/d36N3F16.html -- my ./configure, so that you can see exactly what the system is going to try to build
16:47.01clock_``Erik: only for visual effect
16:47.14deltazapso, it is going to build tcl and tk
16:47.17clock_``Erik: is stress strain shear analysis possible with brl-cad?
16:47.36``Eriknot directly
16:47.37clock_ouch brl-cad didn't compile :)
16:47.41clock_do I need some nurbs-something?
16:48.14``ErikopenNURBS is being worked on to support the brep primitive... at the moment, you should probably turn it off
16:50.47deltazapi'm going to try that then
16:52.39``Erikyeah, the c/c++ issue just hit me on obsd, heh
16:53.43``Erik(one workaround is to "export CC=g++" before configure
16:53.43``Erik)
16:53.56deltazapwhat's the ./configure flag for opennurbs?
16:54.38``Erik./configure --help | grep -i nurb
17:03.39CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/bu.h: beginnings of image mgmt
17:05.17CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: beginnings of a crude image handling function set. Will be able to save png and others some day...
17:05.51CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: add image.c to the library
17:08.15CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/rt/viewedge.c: First victim of the libu image stuff.
17:15.57clock_<PROTECTED>
17:15.57clock_<PROTECTED>
17:16.08clock_1) How do I disable it when only enable flag is supplied?
17:16.17clock_2) Why was it autodetected as on, when not present?
17:17.06``Erik--disable-opennurbs-build (anything that says --enable- has a free --disable, and anything with a --with- has a --without-), and that's how it was set up *shrgu*
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17:21.38rafa_please
17:21.59rafa_where i find files for brlcad
17:22.01rafa_?
17:22.15rafa_i want open some for i see
17:22.28clock_rafa_: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ronja.g
17:22.39rafa_ok
17:22.55rafa_site ronja for brlcad?
17:23.19``Erikalso; if you installed it in /usr/brlcad/, go into /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/<version>/db and there'll be a bunch of .g files
17:27.20rafa_CloCk: No open
17:27.25rafa_i dont see
17:30.20rafa_Open file but no show in window
17:30.34rafa_how open file?
17:30.43rafa_File-open?
17:30.56``Erikyeah, once you open it, run "tops" in the command window
17:31.06``Erikto see what top level objects are in the file
17:31.13``Erikpick one, and do "e object"
17:31.30``Erikso if you opened m35.g, you'll see all.g in the "tops" command, and then you can do "e all.g" to see the scene
17:31.53rafa_please
17:32.00rafa_i open mged
17:32.03rafa_ok?
17:32.07rafa_and now?
17:32.22rafa_press File
17:32.28rafa_i press Open
17:32.30rafa_Ok?
17:32.34``Erikthis'd be a good time for you to head to http://brlcad.org/ and get 'principles of effective modeling (#3 in the documentation list). it has step by step instructions with screenshots
17:32.49rafa_friend
17:33.09rafa_i only know see one file open in cad
17:35.37``Erikactually, intro to mged would be better
17:35.43``Erikhttp://ftp.brlcad.org/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGED.pdf
17:45.55brlcadrafa_: what version are you using?
17:46.04rafa_7.8.0
17:46.29``Erikmoin, brlcad
17:47.45brlcadhowdy
17:48.15deltazaphmm, that build actually didn't throw any errors during the compile, but make benchmark fails
17:48.31brlcadrafa_: on the "mged>" promt, you should be able to type: opendb /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.0/db/havoc.g
17:48.40brlcadthen "e havoc"
17:49.07brlcadthat's just a quick example.. there are many other .g files in share/brlcad/7.8.0/db
17:50.02rafa_ok
17:50.11rafa_but i dont see in windos
17:50.19rafa_no see the draw load
17:50.42deltazaphttp://rafb.net/p/5X9LMG18.html -- any idea what could be causing the no file error?
17:50.53rafa_mged prompt returns it:
17:50.53brlcadrafa_: you're using Windows?
17:51.01rafa_/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.0/db/havoc.g: READ ONLY
17:51.01rafa_BRL-GSI Paris Air Show Soviet HAVOC Helicopter  (units=cm)
17:51.07brlcadahh, that's good
17:51.09rafa_no i am in ubuntu
17:51.11brlcadthen "e havoc"
17:51.15rafa_?
17:51.20brlcadtype: e havoc
17:51.20``Erikdeltazap: sure, it can't find the pix files? :D
17:51.44brlcaddeltazap: rt is crashing/failing
17:51.45rafa_write in prompt e havoc?
17:51.46deltazapbut it should, they're all there?
17:51.54brlcaddeltazap: run src/rt/rt
17:52.02brlcaddoes it display usage or a failure
17:52.08brlcadrafa_: si
17:52.39deltazapdisplays usage
17:52.48rafa_no see
17:52.49``Erikdeltazap: you might have to set PIXDIR or something
17:52.50deltazapbut i bet i'll fail when i run it
17:53.08rafa_window is black
17:53.17brlcadrafa_: type "who"
17:53.20brlcadwhat does it say?
17:53.27brlcadhavoc?
17:53.54rafa_yes
17:54.10brlcadhmm
17:54.17brlcadtype: rt -F/dev/Xl
17:54.34brlcadshould pop open a window and show a helicopter
17:55.01rafa_small
17:55.05rafa_but yes
17:55.05deltazapi'm not actually in front of the machine i just compiled it on :X
17:55.37rafa_go a compiled the source?
17:56.16deltazaphttp://rafb.net/p/y3JgjP62.html
17:57.14rafa_?
17:58.27deltazappaste of rt failing
18:06.11``Erikotool -L /Users/zap/Desktop/brlcad/src/rt/.libs/lt-rt
18:06.22``Erik?
18:07.08``Erik(it's telling you it can't find library symbols from tcl)
18:07.13rafa_please one moment
18:07.23rafa_i download the source
18:07.43rafa_and i go to compile it
18:08.00rafa_brlcad need Nvdia or Ati
18:08.02rafa_?
18:09.47rafa_my video adpter is intel and sis
18:09.52rafa_(onboard)
18:10.05rafa_Run BrlCad with it?
18:10.29joevalle1fieldsure
18:10.38``Erikintel and sis make very different video chipsets, but BRL-CAD should run with either provided your GL stuff set up right or you use the straight X driver
18:13.08rafa_run?
18:13.16rafa_with sis?
18:16.03joevalle1fieldyes
18:16.30joevalle1fieldonboard video should work fine
18:18.36rafa_i am compiled BrlCad
18:18.41rafa_please more one time
18:20.53joevalle1fieldrafa_: it's compiled?
18:21.01rafa_no
18:21.08rafa_more one time
18:21.37joevalle1fields/more one time/one moment please/
18:22.33``Erikah, from pennsylvania, no wonder it's in the same healthiness pantheon as 'scrapple'
18:22.58joevalle1fieldmmmm, bacon dressing
18:24.50``Erik<-- watching his intake, trying to keep his girlish figure O.o
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18:55.31CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/rt/viewedge.c: move the bif close from view_clewnup to view_end (so it actually gets called *cough*)
18:56.00IriX64clewnup :)
18:58.38``Erikyes. clewnup.
18:58.57IriX64your pardon thought it was cleanup
18:59.24``Erikit's like cleanup, but when the fingers and brain are getting tired
18:59.30CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c:
18:59.30CIA-14BRL-CAD: use the data element of the bif to buffer up instead of assuming a streamed
18:59.30CIA-14BRL-CAD: write (makes write-line void of side effects, thus re-entrant, removes the
18:59.30CIA-14BRL-CAD: seek, and will allow non-streaming formats like png (at the cost of memory))
19:49.34deltazap``Erik: i understand that it can't find the tcl library symbols, but i don't know how to resolve this issue
19:50.26``Erikotool -L <binary> is the mac equivelant of ldd
19:50.39``Erikit'll say what libs are being linked in, if there's no tcl, or the wrong tcl, it'll show t hat
19:51.56IriX64http://irix64.spaces.lice.com/photos/brl-cad    <------ i want mine to do this ;)
19:54.48IriX64s/live/lice
19:54.53IriX64:)
19:55.58``Erikyou want BRL-CAD to remove lice? uh, we're good, but not THAT good, yo
19:56.13IriX64heh apply liberally...
19:58.11IriX64``Erik that was booted from the winderez environment.
19:58.43IriX64gotta find a decent windows xserver tho
20:02.53``Erikum, cygwin comes with one
20:03.01``Erikor you can drop some $'s and get something like hummingbird
20:03.11``Erikthough the wgl stuff SHOULD work
20:03.45IriX64cygwin works, but id like to test compatibility
20:03.58IriX64downloading xming from sourceforge
20:06.39``Erikdangit
20:06.41``Eriklibpng error: Call to NULL write function
20:06.41``ErikOhs Noes!
20:08.20``Erikwhat, xming? *shrug*
20:08.28IriX64brlcad on xming
20:09.09IriX64dont like the font but...
20:12.44IriX64try the blog now
20:23.56deltazap``Erik: it doesn't look like any .o's have anything linked
20:27.52``Erik.o's never do, it's the binary itself and teh .dylib files
20:28.12deltazapoh d'oh
20:28.28``Erik(a .o is just like a .a without the indexed mapping)
20:29.17``Erik(the process of taking a collection of .o, .a, and references to .dylib (or .la) files is called "linking"... otool -L shows the runtime link table)
20:30.58``Erikargh, I have one of the rt's saving 'intelligently' either pix or bw, but png is being a little bitch :(
20:32.25IriX64confirmed i can package this thing for windows systems now ``Erik
20:32.57IriX64will you guys support the brl-cad end of it :)
20:34.50IriX64raytrace complete gorgeous
20:35.42``Erikif it's a BRL-CAD issue, sure, if it's a distro/build issue, that'd be your job o.O
20:35.56IriX64heh i can live with that
20:36.16``Erik<-- notes that almost all the dev's don't touch windows
20:36.31IriX64all your stuff is here i built with --enable-everything, even jove built
20:37.30deltazap``Erik: otool only works on object files, not binaries
20:40.27``Erikhum, I've used it on binaries...
20:41.45``Erikhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/39698
20:42.49``Erikuse 'file' to make sure it's a binary and not a shell script (libtool likes putting bash scripts where you expect binaries, for link hackery)
20:43.15deltazapk
20:43.50IriX64http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad      < --- ill shut up now :)
20:44.33``Erikwhy's the rtedge image truncated? did you take the screenshot while it was still rendering?
20:44.39IriX64yes
20:45.09IriX64told you i'm an impatient little sot ;)
20:49.00IriX64how do i chanfe the darn font, reading time...
20:49.06IriX64change too
20:49.12deltazap``Erik: ah, i see, didn't know that it would be in .lib
20:49.18deltazap.libs
20:49.33brlcadit's only in libs when you build shared, static are not wrapped
20:50.17brlcaddeltazap: is libtcl installed in /usr/brlcad/lib?
20:50.59``Erikah, I'm building shared
20:51.12deltazapi've been running things from the directory of the source
20:51.35brlcadyes, I recall from your earlier pasting
20:51.54brlcadthe "quick fix" is/was to install the libs before running the binaries
20:52.14brlcadhm, that's make a useful make target
20:52.34brlcadmake install-libs or something
20:53.42deltazapyeah, libtcl8.5, libtclstub8.5, tcl8, tcl8.5, tclConfig are in /usr/brlcad/lib
20:54.09``Erikkinda like "make install-depends"? O.o
20:54.50brlcad``Erik: yeah, mebbie/sorta
20:55.20brlcadsomething like that on just src/mged would get "everything" except mged hopefully
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20:55.44brlcadhola louipc
20:55.52louipchey hey
20:55.57``Erikum, cd src/mged && make install-depends will recurse down the defined DEPS and, um, install 'em... :D
20:56.17``Erik(it'll take headers and docs for shtuff like png and tcl, too, but *shrug* what can ya do?)
20:57.11``Erikhell, I wrote depends and install-depends so'z I could get the binary I want installed and ready as quickly as possible without all the other stuff I wasn't interested in :)
20:57.20brlcadthat's what I just said
21:00.01brlcadi was more thinking if there was some set of binaries, like in his case where it can't run rt and btclsh whether you could just do that on mged to get all the lib debs
21:00.24brlcadinstead of having to do it for rt and btclsh and whatever other binaries it tries to run without them being installed
21:01.01brlcadso you could do a two-pass and sort of be guaranteed it'd build, mac os x seems to be the only bitch right now (though I suspect aix has the same problem)
21:02.16brlcadnitfy image routine, btw
21:02.35``Erikit's gotten much bigger and uglier, it does pix and bw, and I'm CLOSE on png...
21:03.08``Erikhopefully it'll be able to do both block and streamed saves, so all our output stuff can just use it
21:03.20``Erikbut png is making my head hurt right now :)
21:09.34brlcadthat probably could/should be a libfb routine as that's the layer that begins understanding pixels and images
21:16.05``Erikyeah, I suggested that to lee, he disagreed *shrug*
21:16.06``Erikhe also asserted several times that rt can output streaming, even though it fseek()s, heh
21:16.06brlcadwhat was the basis for his disagreement
21:16.06brlcadsuggested or asked? :P
21:16.25``Erikheh, something like "I think it should go in libfb, is there a better place?"
21:16.35brlcadif you asked if it should be [whatever], his natural response is usually "no, you want to use [something not whatever] instead" :)
21:16.46``Erikyeah, yeah, dumb move on my side, heh
21:16.46brlcadregardless of the whatever
21:17.41``ErikI wasn't sure if things like pix-png should link libfb... *shrug*
21:17.59brlcadbu's not bad, probably would be my second choice unless someone wanted to migrate the basic pixel constructs from libfb to libbu too
21:18.43``Erikhe went into lala land trying to figure out the most assinine place, he hesitated when I said I'd put it in bu
21:19.00brlcadmore a question of whether you want to consider image management basic .. right now that's *only* in libfb
21:19.26``Erik(mebbe I shoulda just used SDL_Surface O:-) )
21:19.37brlcadyuck
21:20.00brlcadbu's fine, so it can do images now too
21:21.09brlcadthe image autosizing code that was replicated across libbu, libbn, and libfb could probably be moved back down into libbu then
21:21.24``Erikthough if things get simplified enough, most of util/ is going to be a second rate clone of ImageMagick's "convert" :/
21:22.02brlcadyep
21:22.10brlcadthough we do a few formats that they don't
21:22.58brlcadobscure unimportant ones of course
21:23.00``Erikcould probably make a case that those formats haven't mattered in the last decade or two :)
21:24.29brlcadthey're actually a project we should merge/utilize with the new modeler for behind the scenes data management/conversion
21:24.42brlcadat least convert and/or libconvert
21:28.35``Erikbastage, I ate one of those nasty celeste grease-disks :/
21:28.49brlcadthose are yummy
21:29.47IriX64thats a better font :)
21:30.08``Erikheh, I'm not so keen on 'em, and the nutritional facts are kinda skeery on 'em :)
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21:33.39ykyhi
21:36.09ykyare there any german brlcad users or brlcad workshops in germany?
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21:37.17brlcadyky: yes, there are
21:37.32brlcadat least one of the devs is in germany too
21:37.56ykydo you know, who it is?
21:38.10brlcadthere is a tentative workshop being planned for later this summer (not finalized for sure yet)
21:38.29brlcaddaniel rossberg
21:38.38brlcadyky: did you need something in particular?
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21:39.01ykyno, not really.
21:39.10brlcad:)
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21:39.49brlcad``Erik: so is there any end-user impact to that image hook yet?
21:39.53ykyI hope to learn brlcad on a workshop more easy
21:40.02brlcad(i.e. NEWS worthy item)
21:40.29brlcadyky: it does help, though the tutorial series is pretty extensive too for some of the basics
21:40.34``Erikummmm, if not quite yet
21:40.53brlcadi'd not tested it myself yet
21:40.55``ErikI mean, you can do rtedge -o PIX:blah.poo blah.g something
21:41.01``Erikand get a PIX file
21:41.10``Erikor -o BW:blahh.something and get a bw file
21:41.45``Erikor blah.bw  and get a bw file, or blah.pix and get a pix file... or blah.png and get an error on png_write_info() and an "Ohs Noes" message
21:41.51``Erikoh, wait, thats not committed yet
21:41.53brlcadnow that could be interesting on windows, hopefully doesn't key/abort on unknowns
21:42.14``Erikif you give it COW:something or moo.cow, it'll assume pix
21:42.21brlcade.g. -o "C:myfile" :)
21:42.22``Erikbut that's not committed yet I don't think
21:42.56brlcadwhat if you wanted a name like 'PIX:foo', is there a way to specify it?
21:43.09brlcad\: or somesuch?
21:43.10``Eriknow if you give it BW:C:\path\to\lame.img, it's smart enough to say it's a BW image at C:\path\to...
21:43.19``ErikPIX:PIX:foo ?
21:43.28brlcadgood enough
21:43.42``Erikit's a q&d hack with "oh the horrors, I'll fix it, I promise" comments
21:43.43``Erik:)
21:43.51brlcadriight
21:44.33``Erikhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/39702
21:45.34``Erikthe phrasing of the image name was inspired by... oh my, ImageMagick's convert...
21:46.42``Eriknow if you give it -o PIX: blah.g, open() fails, ... :)
21:47.21``Erikor if the file name is bigger than BUFSIZ
21:48.54IriX64looked at it the ext part i understand the first part i don't
21:49.42IriX64why string+5 its the first part you want no?
21:50.24IriX64err filename +5
21:50.34``Erikthat's after I know what it is, the +5 says "skip past the format describer"
21:50.50``ErikI was gonna hit it with strtok
21:50.56IriX64parts not shown ?
21:51.00``Erikyes, it's supposed to be static (all the other 'internal' ones are static)
21:51.13brlcadah
21:52.04brlcadkinda useful generic routine too
21:52.06``Erikexposed functions are all bu_image_
21:52.22brlcadshould check for nullity
21:52.28``Erikand public defines are all BU_IMAGE_
21:52.49``Erikthat's done down in the public function
21:52.51poolio``Erik: Just a note...you're using an incosistent coding style. you use braces for the if's in the FMT: searching section but not for the filename extensions
21:53.19``Erikpoolio: it's consistantly minimal. in the first block, each if ties to two statements. in the latter, just one.
21:53.37poolioOh wow. Miss the semicolon. hah
21:53.55ykythx for input, I will contact daniel directly.
21:53.58poolioAlso, is it neccesary to check for punctuation?
21:54.25ykybye
21:54.32IriX64case png case pix case bmp :)
21:55.17poolioIriX64: case only works with ints
21:56.01IriX64ah ok
21:56.32kwizarthi! is it possible to override   --with-tcl=%{_includedir}/tcl-private \ ? so it can uses the system tcl ?
21:57.28kwizarti may need also system CFLAGS or LDFLAGS about finding libs ...
21:57.54``Erikpoolio: the punctuation is part of the syntax...
21:58.13``Erikso I can do -o PIXELS.png
21:58.52``Erikor my.pixbw
22:00.13poolio``Erik: Well, it seems kind of like a waste. How often do you have filenames that end with png, bw, bmp, or pix
22:02.32``Erikdamnit, now ya went and made me ugly it up even more by annoying me
22:02.40IriX64man define pix as 1 png as 2 etc and use that case thingy
22:03.20``Erikhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/39702#1
22:03.22IriX64err
22:03.50``Erikneed a string comparison somewhere, irix, and I don't trust a hash :)
22:04.49IriX64nice
22:05.01poolioOk, that's just pointless.
22:05.02IriX64what you posted is good
22:05.05poolioWhy would you do that ``Erik ?
22:05.14``Erikmakes it trivial to add new names to the space :)
22:05.21IriX64made his own case poolio
22:05.42IriX64parole him :)
22:05.45pooliohah
22:06.23``Erik('cept I changed the semantic, damnit)
22:06.49IriX64immaculate conception of code... interesting :)
22:07.21IriX64eyes are watering, break time
22:11.08CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: blocking output. working file guesser, pix-writer, and bw-write. beginnings of png writer.
22:12.40``Erikheads
22:12.42CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: fixed minor logic bug, heh
22:13.33CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: link libpng in for image writing
22:16.29brlcadkwizart: it is possible, but still requires 8.5+ using the latest sources
22:17.08brlcadeasiest is to force tcl building off, then append to flags as needed
22:17.25kwizartok i have 8.5 on fc7 but maybe not the lastest sources !? which date are the lastest ?
22:17.43kwizartok i have forced tcl not to build...
22:17.45brlcad7.10.0 is the latest
22:17.54kwizartyes for brlcad
22:17.55brlcadvia --disable-tcl ?
22:18.05brlcador disable-tcl-build
22:18.09brlcad(same thing)
22:18.15kwizart<PROTECTED>
22:18.17kwizartyes ok
22:18.20brlcadand that, yes
22:18.43brlcadthen just need to add --with-cflags="..." --with-ldflags="..." etc
22:18.55brlcador CFLAGS=.. way
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22:19.14kwizartbut now i need to a little "rape" the configure.ac script to make it detect it (pastebin)
22:19.32brlcadshouldn't need to modify configure.ac
22:20.00brlcadif you turn it off and provide the right cflags/cppflags/ldflags, it should detect
22:20.01kwizarthttp://www.pastebin.ca/438882
22:20.35kwizartok i will try to paste everything to the Cflags and ldflags...
22:20.58kwizartbut the same issue append with tk iwiget itcl and regex
22:21.06brlcadheh, well you pretty much turned the validty checks off
22:21.29brlcadnote that you could have also just overrode during make as well
22:22.22kwizartone thought! is it supposed to work with gcc 4.1.1 ?
22:22.30brlcadTCL="-L/usr/lib64 -ltcl8.5" TK="-L/usr/lib64 -ltk8.5" make  after a disabled build, and maybe with some CPPFLAGS defined
22:22.41brlcadsure, that should be fine
22:23.03brlcadshould work with any gcc 2.95+ (though the 2's haven't been tested in a long while)
22:23.06kwizartbecause when i tryed to build openNURBS 4 (as system libs) it fails
22:23.30brlcadyou don't need openNURBS, i'd just disable it
22:23.58brlcadwe include openNURBS in our dist too
22:24.10kwizartbut apparently not the version bundled inside brlcad fails
22:24.15brlcadI had to make several mods to it for gcc 4 to work
22:24.35brlcadyeah, they had a few minor issues
22:25.05brlcadfeel free to pull a patchset and make it part of the fedora dist :)
22:25.06kwizartok i will check your diff for it because i may need to use it as system libs...
22:25.14kwizart:)
22:25.29brlcadhopefully I didn't patch pre import
22:25.56kwizartwell i will try that for now! thx for your tips...
22:25.57brlcadwe also replace their build system, integrating it into ours so it builds cleanly
22:26.17brlcadtheirs was a little flakey
22:26.35kwizartyes i saw! ...
22:29.22kwizartITCL="-L/usr/lib64/itcl3.3 -litcl" ITK="-L/usr/lib64/itk3.3 -litk \ does this seems right also ?
22:29.46brlcad``Erik: those negatives can crash if filename is short
22:29.57brlcadsegfault
22:35.28CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac src/libbu/Makefile.am): libraries are no longer LIBADD'd, they're defined in configure.ac in a _LIBS dependency variable, added PNG to BU_LIBS
22:36.28CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: oop, htester gets PNG from BU_LIBS now
22:50.53kwizartwhat i cannot understand is that i have :
22:51.07kwizartchecking for Tcl_Main in -ltcl... yes (like before..)
22:51.18kwizartbut no system tcl is found also!
22:53.49joevalle1fieldit tries to build and run another test program further down
22:54.11joevalle1fieldis the error in your config.log?
22:54.53CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: netbsd's library was ultimately reverted due to dependency complications, existing was fixed instead
22:55.32brlcadkwizart: it performs the library checks regardless of the setting just so there's a report of what is available/detected when people provide their build log
22:56.01kwizarti can provide it (uploading!)
22:56.04brlcadthen, as joevalle1field mentioned.. it follows up with a more comprehensive functionality test
22:59.39kwizarthttp://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/7/testing/brlcad/build.log
23:01.50joevalleyfieldlooks to me like the retry blasted the real failure
23:02.27kwizartThis is the real failure : configure: libtcl was disabled, but no system Tcl library was found
23:02.41joevalleyfield:)
23:03.01joevalleyfieldi'm only so interested because i was playing the same game earlier today
23:03.27joevalleyfieldi want to see the test program fail-- config.log would be about 20 times longer than it is
23:04.32kwizartI suppose config.log may be deleted by the retry !?
23:05.21joevalleyfieldare you setup to modify configure.ac?
23:05.36joevalleyfieldi mean, you have all the autotools at hand?
23:06.06kwizartyes
23:08.35joevalleyfieldhow do i work a pastebin?
23:09.19IriX64why does that log download instead of just opening up in a browser window
23:09.29IriX64?
23:11.44CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03joevalleyfield * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac m4/retry.m4): add option to disable the retry behavior of configure
23:13.01joevalleyfieldi think cvs has a lag
23:13.39joevalleyfieldif you change the 'if' on line 110 of retry.m4 to always evaluate false, it will nullify the retry
23:14.08kwizartok
23:16.49kwizartif test "x$BC_RETRY" = "x" ; then
23:17.29joevalleyfieldi'd make it 'if test "xy" = "x" ; then'
23:19.03kwizartok building...
23:19.52brlcadyeah, good mod
23:20.14brlcadhave to rerun autogen.sh after you edit the .m4
23:20.28kwizartyes i do it by default ...
23:23.03kwizartok no retry has been done...
23:24.49kwizarthttp://pastebin.ca/438960
23:25.48brlcadthat's one helluva configure line
23:25.49brlcaddamn
23:26.38joevalleyfieldline 13012
23:27.20joevalleyfieldthe failure should always appear right above the cache dump
23:28.05kwizarti have tcl 8.5 on fedora 7 ...
23:28.12brlcadminor version < 5
23:29.08kwizartbut if i do return 0 in the program check it go fine...
23:29.20brlcadkwizart: for whatever reason, it's finding a different tcl header
23:29.23kwizartand fails with itcl
23:29.24brlcad8.4 presumably
23:29.34kwizartbut not tcl...
23:29.54brlcadso even if you set it to zero, something else will fail down the line
23:29.56joevalleyfieldjust type locate libtcl and see if you have multiple versions installed
23:29.59kwizarti'm using mock to build on a chrooter env...
23:30.08brlcadlocate tcl.h for that matter
23:30.34joevalleyfieldfind /usr/lib -name "libtcl*"
23:30.47brlcadit's erroring on the header, not the lib itself
23:30.56joevalleyfieldoh
23:31.13joevalleyfieldmy bad
23:31.15brlcadit's a #define sanity check in the test: #elif TCL_MAJOR_VERSION == 8 && TCL_MINOR_VERSION < 5
23:31.34brlcadfprintf(stderr, "minor version < 5\n");
23:31.53brlcadshould probably have it print what it found
23:32.12kwizartdo you mind the same issue appear for tk tlstub itcl itk and iwiget ?
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23:33.40brlcadhm?
23:33.48brlcaddepends really where the 8.4 is coming from
23:34.58joevalleyfieldhow does your chroot thing work?
23:35.02joevalleyfieldare you in the chroot?
23:35.20kwizartno
23:35.39kwizarti'm running fedora core 6 on x86_64!
23:36.14kwizarti have a separate account that used to build things in a chroot env
23:36.30brlcadkwizart: what version is listed in your tcl.h header?
23:36.47kwizartpackages are installed via yum rpm...
23:36.50brlcadpresumably /usr/include/tcl.h or something you're providing
23:36.59kwizarton the chroot ... searching ...
23:37.22brlcadon whatever you specify, the chroot only matters if you're providing that path as a forced CPPFLAG
23:37.39brlcadunless you're building in the chroot, which you said you're not :)
23:38.43kwizarti have shame...
23:38.47kwizart#define TCL_VERSION         "8.4"!
23:43.55joevalleyfieldbut i can turn off retry with a configure script now :)
23:46.53IriX64you two... sorry to have intruded
23:49.07kwizarti was supposed to have tcl 8.5 ! Sorry to miss that ! I've ever fill a bug about tcl some time ago on redhat ... I will have to update tcl tk myself...
23:49.21kwizartis it supposed to work with pkg-config ?
23:49.56joevalleyfieldno
23:50.33brlcadkwizart: you could just let it build the provided tcl :)
23:51.18brlcadit'll build and link it static
23:51.34kwizartyes i'm asking him the current state of art about this package... !
23:52.23joevalleyfieldif there's a yada.pc.in file in a source distribution it supports pkg-config
23:52.47kwizarti mean the redhat packager... hum i can also but it was supposed to fails about tcl/tk... i will try for now...
23:53.24kwizartjoevalleyfield, i can also create it by hand !?
23:53.39CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: bob added addr and make_name commands to archer
23:54.40joevalleyfieldkwizart, you've exceeded my expertise
23:55.28brlcadyou could create them.. but what for?
23:55.30joevalleyfieldyou can of course stick a tcl.pc file in the pkg-config dir, but nobody that depends on it would look there
23:56.03joevalleyfieldbecause tcl still uses tclConfig.sh in /usr/lib
23:57.23CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: add pkg-config scripts
23:58.00kwizarthow this work ? is this sh script is called at configure step ?
23:58.47joevalleyfieldi'm really afraid i'm talking about a different thing than you are thinking of
23:59.41joevalleyfieldtclConfig.sh is located and sourced by the configure script to setup TCL_LIB_SPEC and TCL_INCLUDE_SPEC

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