IRC log for #brlcad on 20070416

00:32.10IriX64louipc how big a drive did you invesdt in if you don't mind my asking?
01:09.35deltazapplease tell me i'm not the only one that found out about ctrl-z, then held it down to see how fast i could get the wireframe spinning :P
01:10.20IriX64whats your angle-distance cursor say :P
01:37.22brlcaddeltazap: heh, nope .. i still do that from time to time
01:39.46IriX64some standalones aren't going to work, they rely on Tcl_CreateFileHandler and delete same
01:43.47IriX64part of dg_obj.c if i saw that right
01:45.52IriX64in librt
02:06.58IriX64well doom was fun..... gotta stop playing with that 386 dos machine :)
02:10.37IriX64stereo compiless still going strong
02:10.45IriX64- an s
02:11.44IriX64mmm opennurbs is cpp ill have to browse later
02:19.17IriX64the dgo_blah stuff seems to rely on those tcl functions
02:20.57IriX64bear in mind thats the compile that uses my tcl84, the tcl85 compile is still going on.
02:28.41bjorkBSDexactly how slow is your machine, IriX64?
02:32.43IriX64it crawls along at 2.4g
02:33.30IriX64which means each compile is running at 1.2g right :P
02:34.32IriX64each time you or i type it slows to a crawl :)
02:35.06IriX64a 32 minute install o yowzers
02:36.54IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/442222
02:46.42louipcIriX64: 160GB
02:47.01``Erikhttp://www.worth1000.com/entries/172500/172821yfHE_w.jpg
02:47.55IriX64``Erik i didn't know you were at that party:)
02:48.27IriX64louipc: i got a deal on a 200GB maxtor
02:48.53louipca maxtor is what crashed on me :/
02:54.28bjorkBSDdeal from where how much?
02:54.56louipcI got a seagate for $79
03:12.30IriX64staples, $190 for the 200gigger
03:13.39louipcsata?
03:13.53IriX64ide udma100
03:14.50louipcI guess staples isn't that great for prices eh
03:15.00louipcI went to a taiwanese computer shop
03:15.03louipc:D
03:15.20IriX64don't have such here :)
03:18.24MaloeranSounds expensive for 200gb, especially an UDMA100. Sounds like an old drive
03:20.25MaloeranMy 320gb were the equivalent of 110USD or so
03:20.49IriX64this was 2 years ago
03:21.08louipcnice
03:21.30MaloeranAh right, two years, that explains it
03:22.10louipcI'm starting to get scared that the available hardware will outrun my computer pretty soon
03:23.06MaloeranIf what you have satisfies your needs, why worry?
03:23.07IriX64bwish is needed by who?
03:23.58IriX64Maloeran is the computer comy in it's "seat" :P
03:24.00louipcbecause if something goes wrong I won't be able to find replacement parts haha
03:24.05louipcI'll need to get a whole new system
03:24.17louipcbut that'll be fun as well
03:24.27IriX64sometimes its cheaper to louipc
03:25.02MaloeranAh well, it's rare that something goes "wrong" in a critical component such as the motherboard
03:25.47IriX64quite a few critical parts though
03:25.59louipcthat's comforting to know. I can keep it as an antique hobby system when the time comes
03:26.11IriX64heh like my 386
03:26.42IriX64dx not sx
03:27.19bjorkBSDIriX64, don't you like uhh unix?
03:27.44IriX64i know nothing about it and the learning curve is steep
03:28.04bjorkBSDit's as steep as a level playing field ;)
03:28.11louipcIriX64: not really that steep
03:28.11IriX64:)
03:28.22louipcespeciall now
03:28.25bjorkBSDi'm sure you've used dos.
03:28.31bjorkBSDand it's kinda fun.
03:28.38IriX64dos != unix
03:28.43louipcwell I can't speak for BSD but linux is a lot better than it was 5 yrs ago
03:28.50bjorkBSDeg: i think i just hosed /usr/ports so now i have to figure out how to fix it.
03:28.59deltazapIriX64: learning curve is not that steep
03:29.06bjorkBSDoh trust me, i quickly abandoned linux after first touching it.
03:29.24bjorkBSDthen i was introduced to freebsd.
03:29.29IriX64been thinking of a mac never really owned one before
03:29.40bjorkBSDIriX64, they're x86 boxes now. nothing to it.
03:29.42IriX64thats OSX right?
03:29.55deltazapcorrect
03:30.07IriX64maybe for X-mas
03:30.21IriX64get it right geez Christmas
03:30.26IriX64+s
03:30.35louipcfreebsd seems to use the same installer it did ages ago... I don't get it :P
03:31.42bjorkBSDlouipc, why break it if it works so well?
03:31.58louipcworks like ass for me
03:32.16bjorkBSDhow?
03:32.25bjorkBSDwhat's missing in your installation experience?
03:32.36bjorkBSDi HATE redhat's. and debian i can barely stand.
03:33.16louipcI think it tried to redefine my HDD cylinders, then during the install there were a ton of errors saying it couldn't access a certain file it needed installing from the CD
03:33.36bjorkBSDoh a bad CD
03:33.48louipcnah it was fine I checked it
03:34.06louipcactually I did succeed on a third try or so
03:34.20bjorkBSDmedia problems ;)
03:34.41IriX64or drive problems :)
03:34.42bjorkBSDthe only time i switched from freebsd to debian was when 5 came out
03:34.58louipcthen I went into the system and started up 'vi' which really bothered me. so I said forget it hah
03:35.12louipcyeah I can't really take those distros either
03:35.40louipcI would endorse fbsd before I'd endorse debian or redhat
03:35.47MaloeranThe first run of 'vi' is always amusing for an Unix beginner. "Help! How do I get out?"
03:35.59louipcMaloeran: I've moved on to vim
03:36.00louipc;)
03:36.22IriX64mc helps me....a lot :)
03:36.33bjorkBSDit's even more amusing with ed
03:36.40bjorkBSD'cause all ed will tell you is '?'
03:36.53louipchehe
03:37.15IriX64fond memories of edlin come to mind
03:37.30bjorkBSDIriX64, see? you're that much closer to a unix system ;)
03:37.32bjorkBSDgive it a try.
03:37.39IriX64might
03:37.43bjorkBSDthere're all kinds of gui goodness(and slowness) going on with it.
03:37.58bjorkBSDAND unix has had a gui far longer than the mac or pc has existed :D
03:38.12IriX64will redhat 5.1 tolerate a 200gig disk?
03:38.17bjorkBSDeek!
03:38.20bjorkBSDdon't say that name :-S
03:38.26IriX64:)
03:39.45MaloeranGentoo isn't too bad for programmers who know Linux well, I would never recommend that to an user
03:40.37louipcI figrue if they're going to package old software it's going to be a PITA to get recent stuff going
03:41.21louipcit might be stable but I'm not running a server really... so I conclude fbsd is good for servers uh not so much for desktops
03:41.44louipcdon't all the devs in here use macs as desktops?
03:41.47bjorkBSDlouipc, i use it as a desktop os
03:42.00bjorkBSDthe only time i switch to windows is to watch desperate housewives on abc.com
03:42.13louipcwhy do you need windows for it?
03:42.26bjorkBSD'cause it uses flash9
03:42.40louipcI got that in linux
03:42.45bjorkBSDyeah i know.
03:42.52bjorkBSDit's a little while longer...
03:43.12bjorkBSDbut for everything else, freebsd does it for me.
03:44.17bjorkBSDIriX64, you could try ubuntu
03:44.26louipcbjorkBSD: don't say that
03:44.34bjorkBSDit suckedARSE on my machine for some reason, but it might work for you.
03:44.40bjorkBSDhehehe
03:45.03IriX64im not in an experimenting mood vis vis os's
03:45.10louipcyeah gentoo is decent but gets annoying after awhile having to compile everything
03:45.23bjorkBSDi'm sure but it might save you some compile hell no? :P
03:45.38louipcthat's why I switched to archlinux
03:45.53bjorkBSDwhat's it based on?
03:46.03louipcnothing
03:46.13IriX64this isn't bad i figured a way out of #ifdef _WIN32 now to figure a way out of #ifdef __CYGWIN__
03:46.39louipcit takes ideas from crux, and slackware, and perhaps from fbsd it's been said
03:48.14IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/442288  <--- that magic flag keeps it from setting win32 defines
03:49.27bjorkBSDdon't know crux
03:49.42bjorkBSDbut zipslack was my very very first *nix (tear)
03:50.49louipchttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_To_Other_Distros
03:52.31IriX64quite a menu to choose from
03:54.36MaloeranMy first Linux was Linux from scratch, I will never recommend that experience to anyone
03:54.58bjorkBSDaha. archlinux thinks highly of freebsd :D
03:55.12MaloeranI think it took me about a week to both understand how the stuff works, and how to make it work
03:55.26bjorkBSDlinux from scratch?
03:55.29bjorkBSDwhat on earth is that?
03:55.30louipcyeah that would be tough
03:55.56louipcI think it's a good idea to start with a binary distro to learn the basics, then go to a source based one if you're so inclined
03:56.06MaloeranbjorkBSD, installing Linux manually, entirely
03:56.24bjorkBSDhmm. not sure what that means Maloeran.
03:56.26louipchah have you heard of DIY Linux?
03:56.30bjorkBSDno.
03:56.35bjorkBSDisn't that what linus uses?
03:56.37louipcit's even worse than LFS
03:56.50MaloeranbjorkBSD, there's no distribution or installer, you install everything manually
03:57.10MaloeranThat's not hard for someone who actually knows Linux, but for a beginner, it's absolutely atrocious
03:58.26bjorkBSDreminds me of netbsd.
03:58.31bjorkBSDi managed to hose my entire system installing it.
03:58.37bjorkBSDnever again. NEVER!
03:59.06IriX64maybe i should go with my nick
03:59.32bjorkBSDan irix?
03:59.41IriX64:)
03:59.43bjorkBSDyou're gonna have to buy an sgi to go with it.
03:59.55louipcthat's super cool
04:00.17IriX64pick one up on the used market, i didn't say it would be current :)
04:00.29bjorkBSDIriX64, they're not very expensive
04:00.40bjorkBSDjust make sure you buy the correct kinda monitor to go with it.
04:00.45IriX64i have never checked
04:00.56bjorkBSDyou could probably buy one for about 50-100 bucks on ebay.
04:01.24bjorkBSDbut you'll most likely get a machine from the mid-90s
04:01.30bjorkBSDwith about 4 gigs
04:01.44IriX64matters little as long as it runs well
04:01.49bjorkBSDthe more you pay, the nicer it is.
04:02.02bjorkBSDeh. they're annoying as hell in some ways.
04:02.13IriX64fans?
04:02.17bjorkBSDeg: their cc keeps spamming expired license ads.
04:02.36bjorkBSDmine has about 4 fans on it.
04:02.47IriX64heh windows keeps asking me to update my os
04:03.09louipcthey want your soul
04:03.10MaloeranTranslation : Microsoft asking for more money
04:03.35IriX64autoupdate costs?
04:03.44bjorkBSDnah it needn't.
04:03.54IriX64dinna think so
04:03.55bjorkBSDbut i've never paid M$ for anything.
04:04.07louipcI paid for a mouse :/
04:04.08IriX64mea culpa im legal
04:04.24bjorkBSDi think i paid for a book or two from ms press.
04:04.25MaloeranAh, I misread, I thought it was saying to go buy their Vista thing
04:04.41IriX64nah os stuff ie stuff etc
04:04.59MaloeranI paid for a windows 95 CD once. It was my first computer, I was young and foolish then
04:05.20IriX64im no longer young but i am foolish still
04:05.55IriX64bbiab
04:05.58bjorkBSDthe best tool in the world is ataidle
04:06.06bjorkBSDit keeps my harddisk quiet  :)
04:17.43IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/442319    this one is with your tcl/tk
05:07.01IriX64:)
06:52.55IriX64anybody still here?
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13:57.48brlcadwoot, new runtime libraries
13:58.40smallfoot-cool
14:26.01joevalleyfieldi hate platform tests
14:31.12CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librtserver/Makefile.am: just make librtserver match bu/bn/rt version .. using maj:min:pat is bogus in libtool version-info lingo.
14:42.16brlcadwoo hoo.. new version reporting setup looks like it's working great .. now aside from docs, the version numbers should really just be in one place for all platforms
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16:32.27deltazappro/e is so infuriating
16:36.10mysticmarkshi
16:41.07mysticmarksim using sh for terminal, will i need bash for this to run correctly?
16:45.50smallfoot-bash is the shit
16:45.52smallfoot-everyone use bash
16:46.07smallfoot-bash is the best thing since sliced bread
16:46.34smallfoot-man, if the kids find out you dont use bash, they will be laughing at you, get a grip man, use bash
16:46.40mysticmarksim trying to move to open source modeling systems. Ive used solidworks on win, but am moving to the linux platform
16:47.25mysticmarkswhat dependencies will i need to take care of
16:47.47mysticmarksim using a puppy linux.
16:47.54mysticmarksi like a portable os
16:48.04mysticmarksi should include bash
16:48.17mysticmarksare ther any other libs not in the deb
16:48.22mysticmarksi will need
16:48.25mysticmarks?
16:48.48mysticmarks<PROTECTED>
16:50.03mysticmarkswhat about kernel requirements?
16:52.39mysticmarks:\
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19:11.32IriX64anybody mind if i change my version # to 9.9.9 :)
19:14.11IriX64this one works with XWin32 or XMing too bonus :)
19:24.09IriX64if i uploaded an installed folder with my cygwin build and the dll's necessary to run it would anybody look at it?
19:24.21IriX64ill even include Xming :)
19:32.16IriX64well i don't know, but i been told, if you serve, you'll never grow old (been told not to bother you people too much so i'll shutup now )
19:34.14joevalleyfielddoes the ogl display manager work in you cywin build?
19:34.49IriX64attaches but i can't bring up a frame buffer window, it thinks its there but its really not
19:35.40IriX64i mean fbserv shows up in proc
19:35.46joevalleyfieldyeah
19:35.53IriX64but no display window appears
19:35.56joevalleyfieldwhere did you install to?
19:36.05joevalleyfieldin cygwin path land?
19:36.17IriX64--prefix=/usr/brlcad-7.8.4
19:37.41IriX64heh in windows land exec ls don't work (chuckle)
19:37.54joevalleyfielddoes ln -s work?
19:38.08IriX64just a sec ill bring it back up
19:39.31IriX64no
19:39.53IriX64rt -F:0 works tho
19:40.15IriX64lemme open a database
19:40.18joevalleyfieldi think an error message is being suppressed
19:41.12IriX64huh it said no such command
19:41.21IriX64and exec that no such file
19:41.25joevalleyfieldyeah
19:41.41IriX64got galileo load what would you have me try
19:41.46IriX64loaded too
19:42.01joevalleyfieldlappend auto_path /usr/brlcad-7.8.4/share/tclscripts
19:44.01IriX64did it but i used my windows path
19:44.19IriX64want it pastebinned?
19:44.34joevalleyfieldplease
19:44.43IriX64i know what i should try be right back
19:45.42IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/443385
19:46.45joevalleyfieldi think you should have used the cygwin path
19:46.52joevalleyfieldthen, you'll be able to open a db
19:46.59joevalleyfieldi don't know the command to retry the attach
19:48.48``Erikum, "attach"? :D
19:48.57joevalleyfield:-D
19:50.06IriX64man it still comes up i zapped the dir in /usr and it still runs on the windows side even your lappend thing works
19:51.10IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/443394
19:51.35``Erikhey, irix, wanna see something really neato? try "mged -c" *smirk*
19:52.02IriX64heh ``Erik i'm King Fool ;)
19:52.18``Erik<--likes classic mode more than the tk stuff
19:52.45IriX64heh im a gooey person, just touch you'll see :)
19:52.53``Erikum, pass?
19:52.58IriX64ok
19:53.26IriX64beauty of this is i can still open up a frame buffer
19:53.48IriX64for you classic type, the mged command window is both input and output capable
19:53.53IriX64types too
19:54.32brlcadIriX64: when you get a chance to test it, would you try changing that getvideo -lgl check to be gconfig instead of getvideo .. see if it succeeds or fails the configure test
19:54.45IriX64sure
19:55.04IriX64do it right now lemme restore to a pristine dir
19:55.17CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: mingw seems to have a -lgl that has at least one of the old irisgl bindings, so try changing from 'getvideo' to 'gconfig'
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20:16.47IriX64you want hard copy or just my report that you got it right.
20:17.05IriX64brlcad its proper now
20:18.30IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/443446
20:22.17IriX64haha keiths tank just rt'ed sweet
20:23.33IriX64thats on the windows side after your lappend joevalleyfield :)
20:25.24IriX64i have no way to get a directory from the command line though
20:26.25IriX64could rewrite d.com i suppose
20:37.07smallfoot-you running IRIX?
20:51.01CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/pkgconfig/.cvsignore: ignore the generated pkgconfig files
20:55.06IriX64humph, comes up with XWin32 but Xming bombs go figure
21:05.53IriX64so if i create a usr dir in windereze, then drop brlcad/* in it all the paths should be proper no?
21:07.42IriX64mmm winix ;)
21:10.28joevalleyfieldyou could set the environment variable BRLCAD_DATA
21:10.40joevalleyfieldi think you'd want to use the cygwin style paths
21:10.47joevalleyfieldso /c/... like you did in mged
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21:16.06CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (38 files in 10 dirs):
21:16.07CIA-14BRL-CAD: revamp BRL-CAD's versioning setup. no longer rely upon the vers.sh script,
21:16.07CIA-14BRL-CAD: allowing for a more unified cross-platform configuration. instead of globals,
21:16.07CIA-14BRL-CAD: provide per-library functions that return the version string. the version
21:16.07CIA-14BRL-CAD: numbers are now stored in files in include/conf/.
21:18.16IriX64thats what the app expects so that has to be used but i just want to make sure mged can find all its resources
21:19.08IriX64sitting through a make install right now
21:19.29IriX64brlcad ty
21:28.43CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): remove the vers_win.c files as the globals they declare are no longer used (for bn, bu, fb, rt)
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21:35.57IriX64``Erik... http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad     it works in gui mode too :P
21:37.02IriX64but i know you prefer mged -c so it's there too just for you ;)
21:38.57IriX64btw thats on the winderze side of the house and no complaint this time about finding resources
21:40.46IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/443577  works too thats havoc
21:44.57IriX64i was wrong tho 6 dll's not 5
21:51.16IriX64check the blog, photon mapping ala WiniX :)
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21:55.18IriX64too big to fit on a cd tho
21:58.29IriX64works with Xming too and now ill shutup :)
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22:29.55IriX64gonna try it on the other box that doesn't have a cygwin install :)
22:30.10joevalleyfieldyou'll need cygwin.dll
22:30.22IriX64have 6 i need in the dir
22:30.38joevalleyfieldexcellent
22:32.10IriX64btw for the record, i did *not hack up brlcad to make it compile/run
22:32.54IriX64.
22:41.29IriX64not bad 450mgs zipped thatll burn nicely
22:46.17CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/iges/ (6 files): use the new brlcad_version() routine instead of vers.sh approach, removes need need for vers.c files
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23:09.23CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (6 files in 2 dirs): update to the new version management routines, replace the dm_version global with a dm_version() call
23:22.35CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfft/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am): remove fft's unused version global
23:24.46CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libmultispectral/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am): remove multispectral's unused version global
23:29.02IriX64no dice, ill have to rethink
23:29.51IriX64can't find a usable itcl dunno whats up path or something
23:47.16CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): update to the new version management routines, replace the liboptical_version global with a optical_version() call
23:52.16CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liborle/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am): remove orle's unused version global

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