IRC log for #brlcad on 20070418

00:01.18Twingyfinished my first sprocket last weekend
00:01.22Twingyneed to upload pics of that
00:01.23Twingybrb
00:01.30IriX64sure
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00:03.36deltazapTwingy: yeah, i'd like to see that
00:06.28IriX6430 days they give you
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00:23.12louipcTwingy: yeah that's a good idea about the modularisation. I think I'll consider it in my packaging quest
00:25.58bjorkBSDfor archlinux?
00:26.04louipcyeap
00:26.26louipcI'm kind of stuck on tcl and such
00:26.40louipcitcl iwidgets blt
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01:27.50IriX64bjorkBSD: what were you trying to get me into? Your favorite *nix ;)
01:28.58IriX64I could try to get you into mine :P
01:48.09IriX64http://IriX32.spaces.live.com/photos
01:52.02IriX64you want to upload anything to IriX64 blog feel free, but i don't know how to let you do that.
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01:59.16IriX64http://www.pastebin.ca/445738 <--- the shot
01:59.23IriX64that produced that
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02:06.11``Eriknaturally, that sequence of cd's could be compacted into ../share/brlcad/9.9.9/db
02:06.19``Erikor you could have done opendb ../share/brlcad/9.9.9/db/havoc.g
02:06.22``Erik:)
02:08.13``Erikalso; the -V option to rt might interest you
02:08.33``Erikas well as the -H one
02:09.12IriX32ill learn as i go hows that
02:10.07IriX32can they be used together ill try now
02:10.52``Erikthey can be used together, yes... -V is for the aspect ration (your screen is probably 4:3, MAYBE 16:9, opposed to the 1:1 you've been rendering)
02:11.16IriX32ty
02:11.25IriX32drew nothing tho
02:11.40``Erikand -H is for hypersampling, combined with the -J flag, it produces much more attractive pictures (super-samples the pixels so aliasing is diminished)
02:12.52IriX32why is it going through the motions but not rendering in the frame buffer?
02:15.02IriX32sorry i rotated it to see it does render mea culkpa
02:15.06IriX32culpa too
02:15.23IriX32rot 90 0 0 sweet
02:15.42``Erikhrmmmmmmmm
02:15.44``Erikerikg@macbook ~$ /usr/brlcad/bin/rt -R -w 800 -a45 -e10 -V4:3 -H5 -J3 -F/dev/Xl -C85/170/200 /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/*/db/havoc.g havoc
02:15.46``Erik:)
02:16.53``ErikFrame  0:     409600 pixels in      6.24 sec =     65619.35 pixels/sec
02:16.53``ErikFrame  0:    2468922 rays   in      6.24 sec =    395529.94 rays/sec (RTFM)
02:16.53``ErikFrame  0:    2468922 rays   in     12.48 sec =    197764.97 rays/CPU_sec
02:16.53``ErikFrame  0:    2468922 rays   in      6.77 sec =    364807.18 rays/sec (wallclock)
02:17.00``Eriknot bad for a laptop
02:17.25IriX32some laptop
02:17.28IriX32:)
02:17.37IriX32the irix32 blog sideshot
02:17.42``Erikmacbook pro, 2.16ghz intel core duo
02:18.20IriX32beautiful, ive toyed with the idea of investing in a laptop, you would recommend such as you have to me?
02:19.23``Erikhave to drop some $'s for one like it... personally, I wouldn't with my own money *shrug*
02:19.36IriX32ty
02:19.37``Erikmy personal laptop is an old ibook, got it for $700 new (was "last years model")
02:19.51IriX32heh like used cars eh
02:19.56``Erikslapped a $100 stick of memory in it and an airport card and it was a decent machine
02:20.18IriX32i don't go anywhere (mores the pity) :)
02:20.40``Erikcomputers aren't an investment, they're an expense... one that is quickly obsolete
02:20.55IriX32too true
02:22.20IriX32http://www.pastebin.ca/445759
02:22.37IriX32i always forget to disable jove sigh
02:23.26Twingyespecially when you spill beer on it
02:23.42IriX32the laptop, true
02:31.33``Erikheh
02:31.37``Erikhey, the laptop survived the beer
02:31.40``Erikit was just hung over
02:33.51Twingyjiggle the cable
02:34.41IriX32oh boy
02:35.24IriX32what was it brlcad said about that sysv5 error use -DBSD ?
02:39.35IriX32warning not error
02:52.53CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/ (Makefile.am vers.sh): remove the old vers.sh script. no longer used now that include/conf is in place along with corresponding include/brlcad_version.h routines.
02:53.34CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/burst/ (burst.c burst.h): rely on EXIT_SUCCESS/FAILURE even if it is c99
02:54.32CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fb/ (fbfade.c fbstretch.c gif-fb.c): rely on EXIT_SUCCESS/FAILURE even if it is c99; use bool_t/1/0 instead of bool/true/false.
02:55.45CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/ (cad_boundp.c cad_parea.c): use bool_t instead of bool until a wholesale c99 conversion is made
02:59.16CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/vld_std.h: remove ancient c89 protections, take it as a given
03:05.11IriX32no wonder i don't like cvs, somebody how do i update my cvs tree?
03:09.16IriX32never mind :)
03:15.33``Erik"cvs update" is a hard command, huh?
03:15.49IriX32man. I'm a post :)
03:17.48deltazaphuh, make -j2 was causing problems on my other mac with 7.6.4
03:26.19CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/Makefile.am: elapsed wants the build date. this is now stored in include/conf/DATE.
03:55.11IriX32brlcad: was it CFLAGS=-DBSD to clear up that sysv5 mite i honestly cant remeber and i dont log...
03:57.06IriX32ahh sounds familiar ill try it and see
04:03.43CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/brlcad_version.h: distinguish between the full release identifier block and just the version number itself via brlcad_ident() and brlcad_version() respectively.
04:04.26CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (14 files in 13 dirs): brlcad_version() name changed to brlcad_ident()
04:17.22CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/enumerate.sh: version details no longer in configure.ac, look in include/conf
04:18.29Twingypeanut buttah jelly time
04:18.45Twingycrunchy
04:31.20CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: += operator does not work on older supported versions of automake. expand.
04:38.54CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/brlcad_path.c: remove reference to BRLCAD_VERSION, create brlcad_data() func as needed instead of using BRLCAD_DATA directly
04:47.50CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): BRLCAD_VERSION is now obsolete, remove all references, use brlcad_version() instead for the triplet.
04:51.04CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/config_win.h: BRLCAD_VERSION is now obsolete, removing all references. now using brlcad_version() instead for the triplet.
05:01.34CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: sort lines
05:31.11CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/tcl.c: needs brlcad_version.h header
05:41.20IriX32``Erik just how hard is that update command
05:46.33IriX32all that time and i got nothing.
05:47.05CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (libdm/tcl.c libfb/tcl.c): need brlcad_version.h header
05:56.51bjorkBSDIriX32? that's almost an abomination.
05:59.41bjorkBSDthe only good irix is a 64bit version :P
06:12.48IriX3242 is only half the answer 84 is the full and correct answer ;)
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06:31.59IriX32http://www.pastebin.ca/445985   <---- bjorkBSD: thanks for the switches, prettiest pix i ever saw :)
06:35.29IriX32hahah rot 180 0 0 and im looking at the underbelly
06:37.00bjorkBSDwhich switches?
06:37.18IriX32-H -V -J
06:39.08bjorkBSDyou're welcome but i think your gratitude is misplaced.
06:39.11bjorkBSDi don't remember them!!
06:39.49IriX32you e-mailed them long time ago sorry should have explained
06:40.29bjorkBSDah :)
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10:52.04LinuxMafiahi all
10:52.19LinuxMafiahow do i run brlcad?
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11:57.29deltazaphaha, oops: *vgr lilliput.local 531.61      545.14  696.20  578.27  547.50  2.95    483.61
11:57.45deltazapi think the 2.95 is when my screen saver kicked in...
12:28.59``ErikLinuxMafia: you probably want to run "mged"
12:29.15``Erikdelta: what kinda "screen saver" are you running??? O.o like, seti or folding?
12:30.51LinuxMafia``Erik, hi there
12:31.30LinuxMafiathis isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
12:31.42LinuxMafiathis is what i get
12:36.31``Erikodd, sounds like your X is broken... I'm guessing it tried to query the X color map, and didn't find the definition for black (
12:38.19LinuxMafia``Erik, oh
12:38.38LinuxMafia``Erik, so i have to fix X
12:39.38``Erikthat'd be my "off-the-cuff" guess without knowing any more *shrug*
12:40.08LinuxMafia``Erik, thanks alot or help
12:40.28LinuxMafia``Erik, i there any user manual
12:40.34``ErikI happen to have a /usr/Xorg/lib/X11/rgb.txt that defines all the colors
12:41.12LinuxMafia``Erik, can you paste it some where plz
12:41.12``Erikother apps work ok?
12:41.13LinuxMafia?
12:41.29``Erikum, it's kinda big?
12:43.25``Erik(and I have to go to a meeting in a minute)
12:43.25LinuxMafiaok thanks
12:43.25LinuxMafiai will find it
12:45.56deltazap``Erik: http://ridiculousfish.com/angband/
12:46.14deltazapAPW Borg screen saver that fish put together :P
13:11.44deltazapyup, can't figure out why this geometry is crashing mged without anything in the logs
13:12.37``Erikwhat geometry, what are you doing when it "crashes", and how does it crash?
13:26.43brlcaddeltazap: that's not a screensaver.. the last benchmark image is not normalized to the same reference
13:43.59brlcadjoevalleyfield: ggiterm is what I was trying to remember
13:44.25brlcadcept to mod it and make it use libfb or sdl or something instead of ggi
13:46.33joevalleyfieldbrlcad, thanks, was apple the only platform that required you to link static to tcl/tk
13:46.53brlcadiirc, yes
13:47.02joevalleyfieldawesome
13:47.40joevalleyfieldi'm going to try to augment libtools wrapper scripts
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13:50.07brlcadas part of the build pass?
13:50.24joevalleyfieldmore likely during configure
13:50.33brlcadah
13:50.39joevalleyfieldi'm uncomfortable making up strange build rules
13:50.59brlcadthere's already a hack in configure.ac to fix libtool
13:51.11joevalleyfieldthat's where i should hook in
13:51.21brlcadlibtool's -all_load br0kage
13:51.49joevalleyfieldwhy do we need -all_load to work?
13:52.11brlcadwe don't
13:52.17brlcadlibtool uses all_load
13:52.25brlcadand that is wrong
13:52.31joevalleyfieldah
13:52.42brlcadthey fixed it shortly after in a later release
13:52.48brlcadbut the version the macs ship have the bug
13:52.53joevalleyfielddo you only conditionally patch?
13:53.13brlcadwhat do you mean?
13:53.27joevalleyfieldif it's a new version, do you leave it alone?
13:53.35brlcadah, yeah
13:53.44brlcadbut if it's a new version, it doesn't have the problem :)
13:54.41brlcadif it's a mac (ugh, plat), it does a sed replace on all_load, warning as needed
13:55.09joevalleyfieldsounds good to me
13:55.22joevalleyfieldisn't that in autogen.sh though?
13:55.26brlcadcouldn't say for certain whether all_load is valid on anything else, so it checks darwin
13:55.54brlcadno, the libtool script doesn't exist until after ac_output
13:56.05joevalleyfieldthat makes sense
13:56.05joevalleyfieldok
13:57.14brlcadwhat I didn't figure out is why the DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH setup in the app wrappers weren't working
13:57.43brlcadit specifies the directories to look in, but the binary still tries to load from prefix
13:58.57joevalleyfieldit doesn't specify tcl and tk anymore
13:59.07brlcadque?
13:59.50brlcadyou mean the libs don't do a libadd?
14:00.03joevalleyfieldsince you aren't replacing tcl and tk's build system, it doens't find libtk.la
14:00.17joevalleyfieldit only finds the libtk.dylib and pulls out it's real_path
14:01.05brlcadyeah, but that shouldn't matter with a DYLD set
14:01.26brlcadit's still got search rules
14:01.41joevalleyfieldthe point is DYLD isn't set
14:01.55joevalleyfieldit has itcl and itk
14:02.04joevalleyfieldbecause they still use your build
14:02.14brlcader, you talking about the same thing?
14:09.02joevalleyfieldsure :)
14:36.44CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/include/config_win.h: map POSIX read permissions in MSVC
14:51.24CIA-14BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/.cvsignore: stamp-h1 is still autogenerated, ignore
14:55.29``Erikiiiiinteresting, it's refusing to build shared libs for me O.o
15:43.47brlcaddust bunnies
15:43.54brlcadthey're on the rampage today
15:56.25deltazapbrlcad: oh, shows i know how to read numbers
15:57.24deltazaplet me upload my .g file of the geometry i'm locking mged up with
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16:01.51deltazaphttp://zap.bonzoesc.net/brlcad/8020-25.g
16:05.12deltazapnow, what i did was a matrix select and then scaled x for a distance, then did 'rot 0 70 0', and then Z and redrew the region i was working on
16:06.24agelmihi
16:06.48agelmiwhich is the binary to lanch the program under debian?
16:07.19deltazapmged
16:07.29agelmithank you
16:07.35agelmi:)
16:07.40deltazapno problem :)
16:15.05deltazapwell, it at least brings up a bad matrix error
17:05.20IriX32``Erik shame on you lauging at my toy system ;)
17:05.27IriX32laughing too
17:16.18``Erikno, it looks like the cvs was blown away, then the program was re-imported (so the files were all there, but all the revision history was gone, updates whined about not able to find revision 1.31 or whatever)
17:55.20MaloeranErik, Survice cleaned up all CVS history to remove all traces of GPL
17:55.26``Erikheh
17:55.41``Erikand several changes I'd introduced, and all the history so stuff broke, and ...
17:56.42MaloeranYes, it's a bit messy. I haven't quite understood the point of doing so
17:56.43``Erikwow...
17:56.43``ErikisActive = (isActive == true) ? true : false;
17:56.59MaloeranNeat! Where did you find that?
17:57.47MaloeranI once saw something like :  if( foo & BAR ) foo &= ~BAR;  too
17:58.15``Erikhttp://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The_Friday_Farrago_.aspx
18:01.06MaloeranNice stuff
18:02.11MaloeranIt's a pity I'm not allowed to share some... interesting pieces of Fortran code too
18:03.07``Erikheh
18:03.13``ErikI may have ya trumped with fortran code
18:31.51``Erikjoevalleyfield
18:33.11joevalleyfieldyo
18:33.21``Erikmy file server, /usr/tmp, there's a present for ya
18:35.50joevalleyfieldsweet
19:05.40IriX32http://www.pastebin.ca/446924  < sweet success
19:08.29brlcaddeltazap: matrix select on what?
19:09.36brlcaddid you apply/accept those edits?  a Z cancels any pending edits
19:09.47deltazapaccepted them
19:10.21deltazapthe problem is that for some reason, if you do a scale then rotation, the matrix for that object craps out
19:10.27brlcadooooh,
19:10.29brlcadgot it
19:11.24deltazapthe error is "matrix does not preserve axis perpendicularity"
19:11.44deltazapwhich i'm guessing that it doesn't like that it's not at a 90 degree angle to the starting position
19:12.11brlcadyeah, I think the x scaling is a red herring
19:12.19brlcadthe rotation is key.. hmm
19:13.01deltazapalso, is rotobj supposed to do the same as orot?
19:13.32brlcadbasically
19:13.48brlcadthough rotobj has an optional arg to indicate that values are incremental
19:13.48deltazapok, just making sure
19:14.00deltazapyeah, but that would make it function like rot
19:39.15IriX32http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos
19:39.49IriX32milestone :)
19:41.32``Erikhttp://thedailywtf.com/forums/59028/PostAttachment.aspx
19:44.16IriX32told you ``Erik the real answer is 84  :)
19:45.06IriX32ouch 3.6 fps
19:45.37IriX32shouldn't do this while i'm compiling
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19:51.19IriX32``Erik i'm looking at it don't see it
19:52.22IriX32ahh you're passing on to configure tcl
19:53.34IriX32ah and tk and enigma
19:53.55IriX32i didnt' check to see if tcl configured with shared or not let me look in config.log
19:55.25IriX32it did it passed --disable shared to it ``Erik
19:55.54IriX32and enable sysmbols cause debug is set by default
19:55.55``Erikyeah, uh, my statement wasn't about the technical mechanism, it was about why brlcad put it there... :)
19:56.07joevalleyfieldhe did it for mac
19:56.11IriX32turn debug off :)
19:56.14joevalleyfieldi'm working hard to make it go away
19:56.37``Erik:) it's making lib work on a non-mac a bitch hehehehe
19:56.51joevalleyfieldthan fix that line and continue on your way :)
19:57.03``Erik<-- has it commented out
19:57.11IriX32heh wheres the fine adjustment tool
19:58.38IriX32raytrace complete didn't even notice
20:00.38IriX32haha emitting photons :)
20:01.18IriX32perhaps a mac for my birthday
20:02.08``Eriktired of being the only windows user here? :D
20:02.29joevalleyfieldwe need a windows user
20:02.37IriX32not yet, i kind of enjoy being whatever it is I am to you :)
20:02.39joevalleyfieldpreferably one that uses msys to build brlcad from cvs
20:02.44``Erikindeed :/
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20:03.01``Erikcygwin with -mno-cygwin should be fine *shrug*
20:03.03IriX32hey i succeded in doing an update today
20:03.24IriX32``Erik still have issues with that but its on a burner
20:04.29IriX32but -mno-win32 works
20:04.55``Erikheh, but we WANT win32, we want to ditch the cygwin/X requirement on winderz... :D
20:05.22IriX32thats for compiling, simply doesn't define standard windows defines
20:05.32IriX32like _WIN32
20:10.33IriX32my way is viable too pick your own xserver for your winderez box
20:11.07IriX32currently running Xwin32 evaluation
20:14.29IriX32http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos  <-- I offer proof
20:15.40joevalleyfieldjust because it works doesn't mean its appealing
20:16.34IriX32what if i sugar coat it :)
20:35.48joevalleyfield``Erik: you were smokin Irix32's sugar-coated crack pipe too long
20:38.40IriX32http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos   the first two pix are from the windows side of the house, your brlcad code and my 6 dll'd
20:38.52IriX32err dll's
20:55.11IriX32scared myself, windows side of the house didn't have /usr/brlcad/bin path set blew up nicely
20:56.25IriX32wonder if i can start it from the desktop.... i'll have to edit system path easy job
20:59.42IriX32beautiful dbl click and its up
21:00.16IriX32assigned a nice little star icon to my baby star mged :)
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21:41.30IriX32that was fun whats next :)
21:42.57IriX32gonna make one for march=i386 should cover all (well not mac but...)
21:44.56IriX32if i asked for volunteer to test would i get any takers?
21:45.50IriX32in a channel full of unix people i said that told you i'm a post sometimes :)
21:51.00``Eriksyntax error, does not parse
22:03.53IriX32dumb as a post :)
22:30.21IriX32if we remove the cygwin dependencies it wouldn't be cygwin anymore, I have however removed the dependency on cygwin-x is this not sufficent
22:32.42IriX32i did not hack brlcad to do this
22:33.42IriX32far as brlcad is concerned its running on some *nix platform (but i gotta do something about exec ls)
22:35.18IriX32even with -mno-cygwin you're still tied to the xserver ``Erik
22:38.56IriX32for console apps it works right now
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