| 00:03.11 | IriX32 | if you're going to tie us to -ltcl8.5a ... why all those checks |
| 00:03.27 | IriX32 | err -ltcl8.5.a |
| 00:03.42 | brlcad | all what checks? |
| 00:04.10 | brlcad | "-ltcl8.5.a" should be bogus, if i'm not mistaken |
| 00:04.17 | IriX32 | for different versions of tcl and when it finds one it refuses it anyway |
| 00:04.28 | brlcad | either /path/to/libtcl8.5.a or -ltcl8.5 |
| 00:05.02 | IriX32 | mmm |
| 00:05.09 | IriX32 | either way |
| 00:05.11 | brlcad | it only checks for 8.5 and 8.6 |
| 00:05.22 | IriX32 | 8.4 too |
| 00:05.36 | brlcad | not in my configure.ac |
| 00:05.49 | IriX32 | ill recheck just a sec |
| 00:06.20 | brlcad | -ltcl is as close as it gets and that's a wildcard really |
| 00:07.38 | IriX32 | youre correct |
| 00:08.14 | IriX32 | still you give the option is it really neccessary if you're tied to 8.5a |
| 00:13.34 | brlcad | that sentence does not parse |
| 00:13.53 | IriX32 | heh just set the headers and libs and be done with it |
| 00:14.07 | IriX32 | you know youre going to build it |
| 00:14.14 | brlcad | not necessarily |
| 00:14.27 | brlcad | i actually build without it all the time |
| 00:14.28 | IriX32 | show me 8.6 :) |
| 00:14.44 | IriX32 | ahh to avoid recompiling it |
| 00:14.52 | IriX32 | i see |
| 00:14.59 | brlcad | some package management systems report 8.5 as 8.6 |
| 00:15.15 | IriX32 | tell them to fix their stuff |
| 00:15.25 | brlcad | it's not broken |
| 00:15.43 | IriX32 | reporting 8.5 as 8.6 in bot broken |
| 00:15.49 | IriX32 | err not |
| 00:19.15 | IriX32 | some systems report 7.10.0 as 7.1.0 ;) |
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| 00:33.10 | IriX32 | dli just tested it both tcl and tk honor the --prefix you set to in main configure |
| 00:53.22 | IriX32 | heh funniset thing i've ever seen you can set your --build switch to any valid sys type and it configures |
| 00:54.52 | bjorkBSD | deep nerdish. |
| 00:55.03 | bjorkBSD | no spica |
| 00:55.08 | IriX32 | radish actually ... spicy |
| 00:56.57 | bjorkBSD | heheh |
| 00:57.57 | IriX32 | you came in late examine http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos (somebody got an xml error on it) |
| 00:58.49 | bjorkBSD | Sorry, we are unable to complete your task at this time. The Windows Live Spaces service is experiencing difficulties. Please try your task again later. |
| 00:59.01 | IriX32 | urf |
| 00:59.07 | IriX32 | ah well |
| 00:59.35 | bjorkBSD | what's live spaces n e who? |
| 00:59.48 | IriX32 | sorta a super blog |
| 01:00.04 | bjorkBSD | like yoohoo 360? |
| 01:00.18 | IriX32 | microsoft tied it to windows live messenger and an email account |
| 01:00.37 | IriX32 | yoohoo to u 2 :) |
| 01:00.57 | bjorkBSD | i see. |
| 01:01.10 | bjorkBSD | just like that yoohoo thing. |
| 01:01.22 | IriX32 | never tried that one |
| 01:02.16 | bjorkBSD | waste of time, i assure you. |
| 01:02.46 | IriX32 | heh i just wanted someplace to post output as opposed to johnny 5's input :) |
| 01:03.45 | IriX32 | its been saying 3.95 fps for an hour now |
| 01:16.22 | dli | IriX32, the configure options are mostly from a previous ebuild |
| 01:28.22 | deltazap | drinky :O |
| 01:29.27 | IriX32 | k drinky why is libbu make file looking for tcl in ../../src/other/unix ? |
| 01:29.51 | IriX32 | err +tcl |
| 01:33.57 | IriX32 | i don't know how to fix this in makefile |
| 01:41.07 | IriX32 | hardcoding the path for now |
| 01:41.32 | IriX32 | and taking a break :) |
| 01:44.50 | IriX32 | that blog has been updated this last shot took over an hour if anybody wants to see it |
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| 18:32.23 | IriX32 | mmmm why are we updating brlcad/libtk/tcl8.4 |
| 18:33.02 | IriX32 | err tk/tcl8.4 |
| 18:34.01 | IriX32 | doh goof so you have a choice :) |
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| 18:45.14 | IriX32 | you know overlooking is such an easy thing.... i totally overlooked the fact that i have two updates going to the same source tree, am i farkled? |
| 18:45.53 | IriX32 | multi - tasking strikes again sigh :) |
| 18:46.40 | IriX32 | think i'll let both finish and see where I am |
| 18:58.36 | IriX32 | brlcad: you wanted me to work from cvs, I took you literally. |
| 19:04.28 | dli | IriX32, any answer to the tcl/tk doc Makefile problem |
| 19:05.07 | IriX32 | must needs be addresseed by a higher power, I don't speak make. |
| 19:06.36 | IriX32 | did you get libbu to make with that tcl or are you using system lib? |
| 19:07.32 | dli | IriX32, they simply make. no I can not use system libs |
| 19:07.45 | IriX32 | must be my system then |
| 19:08.45 | IriX32 | build issues, ah well... all's well that runs well |
| 19:19.06 | IriX32 | what's going on here, no X no GL, no Windows GL, there's no way thats configures fault |
| 19:29.56 | IriX32 | dli.... does it find a display manager on your system? |
| 19:30.58 | dli | IriX32, display manager? |
| 19:31.28 | IriX32 | x gl windows gl, does the summary say its building with any of these? |
| 19:36.38 | dli | IriX32, it finds x and gl |
| 19:37.35 | IriX32 | ty |
| 19:55.40 | dli | checking for X11 in /usr/X11R6... found |
| 19:56.02 | IriX32 | its the functionality test im failing |
| 19:58.03 | dli | http://pastebin.ca/451731 |
| 20:01.23 | IriX32 | i get that too, its proper there but when it checks to see if it works somethings funny |
| 20:02.18 | IriX32 | conftest.exe fails, with undefined functions |
| 20:09.54 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451745 <-- this part is giving me grief, undefined functions |
| 20:10.35 | IriX32 | header passes link fails |
| 20:19.15 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451751 < - grok all these but the link fails dli |
| 20:22.53 | IriX32 | found it thank you |
| 20:27.18 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451758 <--- changing it to this fixed it here dli |
| 20:46.06 | IriX32 | there's a good girl, have a byte :) |
| 21:12.14 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451830 <--- dli I smell good things happening :) |
| 21:18.02 | brlcad | IriX32: stop it, please .. we've had this discussion too many times -- next time you will have voice removed for a week |
| 21:18.40 | brlcad | your enthusiasm is appreciated, but you have to tame the chatter and non-stop dialog |
| 21:21.56 | brlcad | dli: I looked at your patch, but it doesn't seem to make any sense.. the change should result in the wrong paths (something like /usr/brlcad/lib/tcl8.4/usr/brlcad/lib/tcl8.4/file) |
| 21:26.23 | dli | brlcad, that's up to you guys to figure out |
| 21:27.35 | brlcad | wonder if it's related to portage repathing |
| 21:27.39 | brlcad | this was gentoo yes? |
| 21:29.23 | brlcad | dli: another thing you should be able to do is just make tcl/tk 8.5 a package dependency, in case there are/were patches needed to get tcl/tk to work |
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| 21:36.37 | IriX32 | real question, can -DIF_X and -DIF_OGL co-exist? |
| 21:43.31 | poolio | IriX32: I don't see why not. |
| 21:43.57 | IriX32 | was wondering, somehow i have both set |
| 21:43.57 | IriX32 | . |
| 21:56.14 | poolio | It make sense, X is the windowing system, and OGL is just a specification |
| 21:56.26 | poolio | or "development architecture" i suppose |
| 22:00.40 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451871 <--- from makefile in src/fbserv ... look for -Lyes/lib |
| 22:00.56 | IriX32 | dm_libs |
| 22:04.32 | IriX32 | its in there more than once |
| 22:05.06 | IriX32 | X_LIBS too |
| 22:07.06 | brlcad | IriX32: yes, there will be an IF_something for each framebuffer interface |
| 22:07.25 | IriX32 | ty |
| 22:07.27 | brlcad | and a DM_something for each display manager (and the two have little to do with each other) |
| 22:07.49 | IriX32 | so i am busted here with both set i guess |
| 22:09.10 | brlcad | huh? |
| 22:09.28 | brlcad | one for *each* .. there's no problem having more than one |
| 22:09.44 | IriX32 | somehow ive got both opengl and X. |
| 22:09.52 | brlcad | so? |
| 22:10.13 | IriX32 | why the error then? |
| 22:11.18 | brlcad | i can't read your mind |
| 22:11.26 | brlcad | you've not demonstrated an error |
| 22:12.17 | IriX32 | the yes/lib in X_LIBS in makefile in src/fbserv my make dies with multiple undefies to x functions |
| 22:12.44 | IriX32 | ahh i get it sorry not to have explained the pastebin |
| 22:13.15 | brlcad | I shouldn't need a pastebin explanation.. you should paste the failure, not what you think is causing it |
| 22:13.28 | IriX32 | i did |
| 22:13.42 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451871 |
| 22:13.43 | brlcad | then it was lost in the 7 or so pastebins |
| 22:13.43 | dli | brlcad, I will show you the "make install " error message without the patch |
| 22:13.55 | IriX32 | there it is again |
| 22:14.11 | brlcad | that is exactly my point |
| 22:14.20 | brlcad | that pastebin doesn't show any error |
| 22:14.47 | IriX32 | DM_LIBS = ${top_builddir}/src/other/libpng/libpng.la -Lyes/lib |
| 22:16.25 | brlcad | i see the 'yes' on that line, and that's undoubtedly an issue somewhere, but again.. you've still not shown the build error |
| 22:17.05 | IriX32 | X_CFLAGS = -Iyes/include ill pastebin the error |
| 22:18.00 | brlcad | dli: thanks, that might help |
| 22:18.15 | brlcad | though it probably should be simply a dependency instead of building directly |
| 22:19.52 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451903 started with make in the fbserv dir |
| 22:21.45 | brlcad | which version is this? |
| 22:25.49 | brlcad | send me your configure.ac |
| 22:26.18 | IriX32 | this is 7.10 got my configure .ac from cvs |
| 22:27.15 | brlcad | send me your configure.ac |
| 22:27.35 | brlcad | glad to hear you're using cvs now |
| 22:27.58 | IriX32 | heh you turned me on to it, thanks |
| 22:28.14 | IriX32 | or should i thank you ;) |
| 22:29.27 | brlcad | run "cvs diff -u configure.ac" and pastebin the entire output |
| 22:33.02 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451931 remeber i dont know if this is proper i screwed it up, im new to cvs |
| 22:33.14 | IriX32 | err or screwed it up |
| 22:33.39 | brlcad | that's apparently not a CVS checkout |
| 22:33.45 | brlcad | or you're in the wrong dir |
| 22:33.54 | brlcad | is there a configure.ac file in that directory? |
| 22:34.20 | IriX32 | same dir i update from err i update from that but specify brlcad that why? |
| 22:34.47 | IriX32 | no output just returns |
| 22:35.06 | IriX32 | wnat it pastebinned? |
| 22:35.51 | IriX32 | http://www.pastebin.ca/451935 there you go |
| 22:36.09 | brlcad | "i update from that but specify brlcad that why?" <-- don't understand |
| 22:36.26 | brlcad | ah, so you were in the wrong dir |
| 22:36.47 | IriX32 | is that why i got an message saying no such file |
| 22:36.50 | IriX32 | yeah |
| 22:37.11 | IriX32 | i update the master work in another dir |
| 22:37.16 | brlcad | you specified configure.ac .. yet you were not in the directory that had configure.ac |
| 22:37.20 | IriX32 | but work in another dir |
| 22:37.22 | brlcad | so .. no such file |
| 22:37.29 | IriX32 | right |
| 22:37.54 | IriX32 | cp -r is my friend :) |
| 22:38.13 | brlcad | you can do the diff in either |
| 22:38.17 | brlcad | you were in neither |
| 22:39.10 | brlcad | what is your configure line |
| 22:40.48 | IriX32 | ./configure --with-x |
| 22:41.32 | brlcad | therein lies the problem |
| 22:41.43 | brlcad | why are you specifying --with-x ? |
| 22:42.01 | IriX32 | because thats what i have |
| 22:42.33 | brlcad | that's not what that option indicates |
| 22:43.02 | brlcad | if you have it and it works as expected, it will be detected |
| 22:43.44 | IriX32 | thought i had to specify and that ogl is the default |
| 22:44.06 | brlcad | we've had this discussion before |
| 22:44.12 | dli | brlcad, the make install error without the tcl-doc patch: http://pastebin.ca/451941 |
| 22:44.42 | IriX32 | oh man i honestly have a memory problem forgive me. |
| 22:44.46 | brlcad | IriX32: ogl will be the default unless you use --disable-opengl |
| 22:45.02 | IriX32 | ty |
| 22:45.28 | IriX32 | ill file that somewhere readily available like i did your cvs commands. |
| 22:47.48 | brlcad | the with options often require a path, and that's the case for that one |
| 22:48.55 | brlcad | regardless, they still do not generally turn functionality on -- it's used to specify *which* one you want to use, i.e. where is X11 installed if it wasn't a standard location |
| 22:49.39 | IriX32 | is standard so it should just detect it if i --disable-ogl correct? |
| 22:49.41 | brlcad | and apologies, not --disable-opengl, --without-opengl |
| 22:49.53 | IriX32 | thank you |
| 23:09.14 | poolio | is there a reason you dont want to use ogl? |
| 23:11.55 | bjorkBSD | he has a weirdo system. |
| 23:16.04 | IriX32 | very :) thanks all for putting up with it... and me. |
| 23:17.08 | brlcad | dli: looks like at least a trailing slash is missing |
| 23:17.46 | brlcad | e.g. /var/tmp/portage/sci-misc/brlcad-9999/work/brlcadTcl_Access.3 .. should probably be /var/tmp/portage/sci-misc/brlcad-9999/work/brlcad/Tcl_Access.3 or something similar |
| 23:19.14 | brlcad | still, though .. is there a reason to not make tcl/tk a dependency? the mods were made specifically to support that for gentoo and others |
| 23:28.10 | dli | brlcad, show me how to do that? --without-tcl --without-tk ? |
| 23:28.54 | brlcad | dli: it will autodetect and auto-disable if a suitable system version is found |
| 23:29.15 | brlcad | which means making it a dependency in portage land |
| 23:29.34 | brlcad | you can force it off with an option |
| 23:29.45 | brlcad | --disable-tcl-build and --disable-tk-build |
| 23:29.55 | brlcad | but really, if it's all set up right, you shouldn't need those |
| 23:30.11 | brlcad | they shouldn't hurt either way too |
| 23:32.31 | dli | brlcad, no, " --disable-tcl-build --disable-tk-build " checking for Tcl library functionality... no |
| 23:32.31 | dli | configure: libtcl was disabled, but no system Tcl library was found |
| 23:32.31 | dli | configure: WARNING: Restarting configure with additional flags |
| 23:34.33 | brlcad | no? no what? |
| 23:34.57 | brlcad | "no system Tcl library was found" is a problem |
| 23:35.10 | brlcad | if it's installed via a dependency, it shouldn't fail to find it |
| 23:36.25 | dli | brlcad, I don't understand "installed via a dependency", tcl8.4 tk8.4 are installed |
| 23:37.22 | brlcad | 8.4 are insufficient |
| 23:37.28 | brlcad | 8.5+ |
| 23:38.32 | dli | brlcad, 8.5 is not released |
| 23:41.30 | brlcad | dli: is there no package for it even in unstable? |
| 23:41.43 | dli | brlcad, no |
| 23:41.53 | brlcad | 8.5 is not stable, but it is released |
| 23:41.59 | dli | dev-lang/tcl |
| 23:42.02 | dli | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.27 | brlcad | there at 8.5a5 |
| 23:43.23 | brlcad | erm, I see a reference to an unstable 8.5 |
| 23:43.27 | dli | brlcad, http://www.tcl.tk/software/tcltk/ |
| 23:43.30 | brlcad | dev-lang/tk-8.5.0 |
| 23:45.16 | brlcad | i'm aware of it's unstable status, we upgraded in preparation for the forthcoming 8.6 and (more importantly) as a means to update the way we integrate their build system |
| 23:47.39 | dli | brlcad, even if you can make tcl/tk ebuilds for 8.5, those new tcl/tk libraries may also break many packages depends on them |
| 23:48.15 | brlcad | i wouldn't make them.. just seems like others may have already done so themselves in unstable |
| 23:49.01 | dli | brlcad, no, not even in layman from gentoo-overlays |
| 23:49.24 | brlcad | bizarre references then, hm |
| 23:51.31 | brlcad | dli: that is unfortunate then until 8.6 comes out or until further build changes are made I think.. |
| 23:54.12 | brlcad | dli: do you know if there are any patches being applied to 8.4? |
| 23:54.22 | brlcad | (in portage) |
| 23:56.06 | brlcad | i might be able to back-port changes to resupport 8.4 again, but I recall there being some outright interface incompatibilities when the upgrade was performed |
| 23:56.32 | dli | brlcad, epatch "${FILESDIR}"/${PN}-8.4.6-multilib.patch , epatch "${FILESDIR}"/tcl-configure-LANG.patch |
| 23:58.40 | dli | brlcad, tcl-8.4.6-multilib.patch , tcl-8.4.6-multilib.patch |